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Bizarre Creations Responds To PGR4 and DVD Capacity

Word that Project Gotham Racing 4 had to scrap content to fit the capacity of the game on a DVD game disc on the Xbox 360 went ablaze through the 'net in the last day. Not so speedy, says Bizarre Creations today. To the point, quoting Bizarre Creations: "We've never had to cut content to fit on the disc, and we probably never will." The weather system is cited as the focus for Bizarre Creations this time around in PGR4. A series of screens were provided to backup the variety of lighitng/weather conditions.

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FordGTGuy - 890 days 19 hours ago

1 - AKA

DVD-9s are here to stay this generation.

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actionjackson - 890 days 19 hours ago

1.1 - I guess . . .

But wouldn't they want to say these words to please MS. They are exclusive right. I don't know much about how much more they could have fit on DVD, but, really, what else were they supposed to say? Just a thought.

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Shadow Flare - 890 days 19 hours ago

1.2 - LOL

"DVD-9s are here to stay this generation."

YEAH!! That's the attitude!!
To hell with progress
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I probably should've added that i was being sarcastic

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HowarthsNJ - 890 days 16 hours ago

1.3 - The guy who wrote this is part of their staff in one way or another.

It's apparent from his posts he has access to the Project Gotham Team.

I bet he did get "slapped" for his statements, but that doesn't mean what he said wasn't true.

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bung tickler - 890 days 11 hours ago

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hmm lets see who to belive... some forum post or an official statement via the front page of the companies website... man oh man...

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Panthers - 890 days 2 hours ago

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Well, on the front of the site, you have to be a lot more cautious about what you say. The poster probably didnt realize that his words would have had such a huge implication. I mean it is just a forum post. But you know it pissed off M$

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omansteveo - 890 days 19 hours ago

2 - Well

I guess thats that then

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Daz - 890 days 19 hours ago

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LOl all that fanboy fighting for what?

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snoop_dizzle - 890 days 19 hours ago

3.1 - becasue somebody

supposedly knew somebody who said they knew somebody's cousin who said tey had to cut content because of dvd9s.

Hey if we havent heard of issues(so far at least) of mass effect on multiple disks, i doubt we would hear anything about this.

Then again isn't blue dragon on multiple disks?

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ben hates you - 890 days 19 hours ago

3.2 - long time no see

how did you get down to seven bubbles?

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snoop_dizzle - 890 days 19 hours ago

3.3 - they reset the bubble sytem

and i think that reset my bubbles.

Maybe.

Anyways

Im hoping to start contributing alot more on this site once the summer ends.

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ben hates you - 890 days 19 hours ago

3.4 - oh great

again with the disagreeing not " http://n4g.com/NewsCom-5529... all over again

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deadpreacher - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Man that game looks better every time i see it. To bad its a arcade style game and not a sim. Anyways alot of us know there was no cause for it to not fit. It just didn't make any sence when we first heard about it. Real time lighting and other things would of fixxed it, if what they where saying was true! To be honest i would of believed it more if they said they had to cut down on the weather effects on the maps. Thats where i see them needing to make new textures with things like snow covers and such!

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ben hates you - 890 days 19 hours ago

5 - DVD9 will work

for this generation just fine IMO, the 8th generation i don't think it will make the cut but i'm okay with it now, i remember an interview with bioware back in i think 06 maybe 05, they laughed when someone asked if they feel the need to use two disc, but now they realize its cutting it close

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WIIIS1 - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Oh dear. Never mind, Blu-ray is still good for movies.

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Meus Renaissance - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Developers, naturally, would like things to be easier for them in having a larger storage capacity. However, those who work on the 360 either do not need it now, or have to work with what's there.

They deserve credit for this achievement.

But anyone who implies that DVD is enough for this generation is delusional. Although the sheer size of Blu-Ray is not justified, 9 odd Gigs in itself will not be enough for future games, assuming the developers want to make bigger and better games.

Having said that, compression technology is continuing to improve so the need for a higher capacity media may not be as soon as people think.

However, compression in itself means the loss of certain quality aspects that could be related to "High Definition next-gen experience" such as the 7.1 uncompressed sound we are coming to see in certain PS3 titles.

Do not forget Microsoft refused to include a HD-DVD drive into their machine for cost reasons and the fact that of data stream from the drive not being fast enough, resulting in slow loading times. This would mean they'd have to increase their HDD unit space to compensate, seeing a large cache for developers to use in relation to loading times, and would have led to the demise of the Xbox 360 Core idea.

As a result, they have responded to Sony's claims by saying DVD is suitable for next-gen games, to justify their decision. And although this may be true for now, you cannot deny that if the price was right for them - they would have included some kind of larger format drive into the design.

All in all, so far the DVD camp are holding their ground but I question for how long.

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ThaGeNeCySt - 890 days 19 hours ago

7.1 - Then again isn't blue dragon on multiple disks?

yeah, but that's due to the HD cut scenes it has.. not length of game or graphics

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StarsCream - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Bubble for the eleoquent and intelligent post.

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Meus Renaissance - 890 days 19 hours ago

7.3 - ThaGeNeCySt

But that is the point. Next-gen may not always be interpreted as photo realistic graphics, especially for a game that is meant to be cartoony. If you wanted impressive visuals, you only need to look at another dragon game titled Lair, which is to be over 20GB already. The developers of Blue Dragon, however wanted to add something extra to the experience and that was high quality HD-Cut scenes for the eye to enjoy in the middle of gaming.

Take this away from Blue Dragon, and it loses one of its main fundamental appealing points.

Although it does not take anything from the gameplay itself, it is part of the game, and the fact that you have to replace discs for simply this aspect may not be welcoming to the eyes of most people. However, it is the game and it was the design of the development.

What does teach us and developers?

"No HD-Cut scenes or prepared to offer this game in multiple discs!"

It is limiting however you look at it. Whereas if they had a larger storage medium, the only thing you'd have to say to them is "go ahead guys, go nuts". With DVD, sooner or later developers will have to think inside the box, so to speak, or remove ideas from the actual project because of the 9GB limit.

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ThaGeNeCySt - 890 days 18 hours ago

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oh i'm not disagreeing or arguing with u... was just answerin the question as to why

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Nemesis - 890 days 15 hours ago

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You make some good points and I agree with most of you said. However...

"However, compression in itself means the loss of certain quality aspects that could be related to "High Definition next-gen experience" such as the 7.1 uncompressed sound we are coming to see in certain PS3 titles."

As an audiophile with a very critical ear, i'd have to say that the difference between uncompressed PCM and properly encoded MP3 audio of 320kbps and above is marginal as best. Especially on the low to mid end home theatre systems owned by most users.

However, anything less than 320kbps and I do start to notice a loss in quality. Ultimately, I guess it's down to the developers to find an happy medium between size and quality. But the only real advantage I see that uncompressed audio has over high bitrate MP3, are the marginal savings in CPU time gained by not having to decompress the audio.

Still, if you have the space you might as well use it.

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Nemesis - 889 days 21 hours ago

7.7 - To the guys who disagree

I probably spent more on my speaker cable and inteconnects than you paid for your entire system! If i can't hear a difference, there's no way you can. Sorry if i hurt your fanboy sensitivities.

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StarsCream - 890 days 19 hours ago

8 - hehe

MS must have given them a "talking to".

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Fan Tastic - 890 days 19 hours ago

9 - Bizarre is a MS studio. You really think MS would stand for that comment staying

Hell no, we all knew MS would contact bizarre and get them to do some damage control. Letting the truth out is the last thing MS wants to happen. Too late. No amount of PR spin is really going to change things.

edit (dude below me) Whatever they publish their games, instead of being first party. Either way the cat is out of the bag. Of course the game fits, just not all that they wanted to included. It fits because it has to.

I'm sure you'll spend all of your bubbles doing damage control for Microsoft. How much do they pay you to post lies here? Or worse are you a stupid MS sheep that does it for free while they bend you over. I bet #2 as you do a horrible job and everybody knows you are full of crap. Your history is more than enough evidence for everybody to see how mentally deficiant you are.

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ben hates you - 890 days 19 hours ago

9.1 - NO it isn't you

blind fanboy, just because they said that dvd works doesn't mean ms owns them, they are actually third party, do you think ms would let them make a multiplatform game, like The club

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

back at the guy above, but you just said bizzare is a ms owned dev, which isn't true, moron

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Jenzo - 890 days 18 hours ago

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Did you even read their statement? They said themselves that they are working on all of the platforms and always aim to make their games as good as possible, regardless. PGR3 had 5 environments, PGR4 will have 10. The only ones who say that storage is a huge problem are fanboys, not developers.

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Fan Tastic - 890 days 15 hours ago

9.3 - actually it was the developer

this is just back pedalling.

Anyways this isn't the first developer and it will not be the last to comprimise a game to fit it on 1 DVD.

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celticlonewolf - 890 days 19 hours ago

10 - Lol

I even mentioned this in the post to do with the origanal article. Everyone got bent out of shape over something that they had no idear was actually writem by someone working on the game. I mean IF they had to leave something out of the game do you think that someone working on it would mention it on the net. I mean thats like saying oh yes this game we are making hasnt got everything on it and is gimped to start with thats not good busness sence plaus when people spend the time and effert on games they are not going to be running there mouth about the bad side of it are they. I think sometimes people just write fake stories just to start all this kind of crap and and knock the system they dont have. Why? hell if I know why do people who have no plan on getting one type of system feel the need to comment loads about that systems downside or teh games for that system only. Goodgaming everyone

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PS360WiiRocks - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Price cuts. DVD not a problem for PGR4. Halo 3 getting 4 player co-op. Good couple days! :)

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xmod - 890 days 19 hours ago

12 - .....damage control.....

Woohoo, gotta love that damage control!

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PS360WiiRocks - 890 days 19 hours ago

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and I might add that dynamic weather system is very very cool. The tracks don't even resemble the other with different weather. Can't wait!

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ben hates you - 890 days 19 hours ago

14.1 - your post

is just full of empty words with nothing backing them up

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CRIMS0N_W0LF - 890 days 18 hours ago

14.2 - to benisme

Blind fan boy. What he says is true. Current generation title like Resitance and Lair uses 20GB+. Hideo Kojima asked for 50GB Blu Ray for MGS4.

Rockstar have problems to fit game on 1 DVD. PGR4 too now. No multiply disk don't work with certain game types. Imagine switching disk ever race or corner.

Final Fantasies always where massive I bet it will use loads of data.
Hedio Kojima said no way he is down grading MGS4 for X360. He'll need to lower graphics and make it on 10 DVDs.

DVD9 do NOT work with this gen. END

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ben hates you - 890 days 18 hours ago

14.3 - resistance did

not take 25+ gigs it took 16gigs uncompressed, and he did just have empty words with no back up

also if a game took ten dvds, it would take two BD-ROMS 90gigs, why because the ps3 was only designed to be compatable with the one and two layer BD-ROMs

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tehcellownu - 890 days 19 hours ago

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excuses!! excuses!!! if you can put everythin on dvd9 why dont you prove us wrong and do it?..oh yeah because you cant since your usin last gen format for games.. lol..PGR4 will suck now cuz they have to limit it..

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Nemesis - 890 days 11 hours ago

15.1 - Lol

PGR4 would always suck in your eyes because it's a 360 game. You never have anything positive to say.

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SuperSaiyan4 - 890 days 19 hours ago

16 - Bizarre Creations is NOT a MS Game studio

Microsoft do not own the developer, PGR is published by MGS and the game is made by BC.

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PS360WiiRocks - 890 days 18 hours ago

16.1 -

you know I actually disagreed with you because I thought they were a MGS. But you're correct...from their website. My apologies.

"Bizarre Creations is an independent developer, based in Liverpool, UK. Established in 1994, the company is famed for such high profile franchises as Formula 1, Fur Fighters, Geometry Wars, The Club, and Project Gotham Racing. With 160+ staff working out of a custom-built development studio, we are now simultaneously developing several next-gen projects across various platforms."

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TLSBill - 890 days 19 hours ago

17 - Let the cya begin...

"DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when DESIGNING our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys."

I don't see a denial in there, just a little PR cover up to get MS off their backs. The only thing to take away from this is that they don't "design" games around the storage media (duh), and they can deliver a fabulous experience (whether it's day or night fixed it could still be "fabulous")

I would say they've been pretty close to MS in the past, and of course want to stay that way in the future. The Club is the only PS title I could see that they're working on (on 360&PC also), so I would suggest they have more to loose getting MS mad at them than making Sony happy with them.

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tehcellownu - 890 days 19 hours ago

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Its just mean their not goin to go all out on the game so they can fit it into a single dvd9..lol..

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ThaGeNeCySt - 890 days 19 hours ago

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some of those weather effects make the tracks dark enough to seem close to night

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Shadow Flare - 890 days 19 hours ago

19 - You know when Rockstar complained about using dvd's...

...they actually said that LAST generation. They said something along the lines of "We just hope they don't say, it's dvd again"

Rockstar haven't said anything like that since and they can't because they're making a game for the 360 and they have to keep quiet about problems on microsoft's behalf. That doesn't mean there aren't problems

But you know what, if YOU'RE happy with using dvd's, and storage restrictions don't concern you then whatever because the ps3 fans are surfing the tides of progress and we'll wave at you when you're a speck in the horizon

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tehcellownu - 890 days 19 hours ago

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there was other devlopers that was complaining about space too..DoA was runnin out of disk space, and mass effect barely fits into one disk..lol..Grand Theft auto got cut down cuz its on the 360 too..Also rockstar is makin a exclusive game on the ps3 so they can take advantage of the ps3 power and space...

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Meus Renaissance - 890 days 19 hours ago

19.2 - Precisely,

I'm sure Bizarre Creations will do a fantastic job with PGR4, but if you tell them for PGR5 they will be given a larger storage medium to work on, they'd jump with joy as they could add more to the game and make it even more of value.

Rockstar in particular will most likely be the developers who are tested the most, but no one will be surprised if they produced GTA4 on two discs. In fact, it is probably expected to some people.

But if you had another studio, with some of the Rockstar team, making GTA4 dedicated to the PS3 version - then you'd find two different games. The fact that they have said the two will be identical, means sadly for PS3 owners and Rockstar themselves, they won't have a larger a game they originally wanted.

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Torch - 890 days 19 hours ago

20 - @actionjackson (1.1)

You hit the nail right on the head.

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Morratut - 890 days 19 hours ago

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This doesn't surprise me because with all the lighting effects developers can do now they can just dynamically change the look of a wall, building etc. Now you don't have to rely on a 'night' texture or 'day' texture.

Impressive.

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toughNAME - 890 days 19 hours ago

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waaaay too many sony faboys commenting

this isnt even a halo 3 article? whats everyone so scared of?

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