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Microsoft's Finally Got Game

"After Atari popularized the joystick in 1977, videogame developers spent years cramming more buttons onto the controller. Then along came Nintendo, with a motion-sensing controller for its Wii console that was less complicated, and more fun. Since Nintendo launched the Wii in 2006, it has sold more than 50 million units worldwide--about as many as its two rivals, Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3, combined. "

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Raoh - 25 days 6 hours ago

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No mention of Playstatin EyeToy for the Playstation 2....

I notice a lot of Pro Natal Articles will bypass the eyetoy and the playstation 2 for that matter in their articles.

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wxer - 25 days 6 hours ago

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well
its the hype
thats all what i can say

and by the way this is a fu*kin blog

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rockleex - 25 days 6 hours ago

1.2 - They won't mention...

What the bottom of an Avatar's show looks like... trust me, you DON'T want to see what it looks like. *shudders*

They also won't mention how laggy and inaccurate Natal was during live demos.

The only times when Natal actually looked good were in those prerecorded videos. The one with the family in the living room, and the one with Milo.

Yet they couldn't even get those prerecorded videos right. The water that the lady was interacting with reacted before she even got her hands close.

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Noctis Aftermath - 25 days 6 hours ago

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I pity the fools who have biten into the natal hype so early, yes it is slightly better then the pseye, but it is much larger and will cost more, not to mention it will do hardly anything different.

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Keith Olbermann - 25 days 6 hours ago

1.4 - hype train rollen...

until I see something that convinces me that natal will be anything impressive, I will dismiss this stuff.

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Gothdom - 25 days 6 hours ago

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Well, since e3, most of the gaming medias are all over natal for some reason that escapes me.

Most of the stuff demoed either didn't really work yet or was manipulated from behind curtains. I'm referring to the video where the lady hits the screen after the ripple effect comes on screen and that Milo thingy. For now, it's only mental masturbation, since nothing as been concrete as of yet.

For some reason, the media has chosen to forget both the Playstation Eyetoy and Seaman from Sega.

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Ausbo - 25 days 6 hours ago

1.6 - do you guys understand?

that the pseye had no marketing and no games. If microsoft can successfully implement hardcore games, unlike the wii or pseye, and support it well than they can be successful.

Yeah the hype is ridiculous but you also haven't seen enough to shoot it down yet either.

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ico92 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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natal will have no impact in the gaming market i mean the casual gamer is already familiar with the wii the console is planted in that market, you could even go as far as to call the wii a cultural phenomenon as its currently the worlds most famous console and with the wii price cut around the corner natal is not going to affect the wii in any way

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wxer - 25 days 6 hours ago

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"that the pseye had no marketing and no games."

what ??
okay i really dont know about marketing because in here they dont market games at all

but no games ??
look at this

2003
EyeToy: Play
EyeToy: Groove
2004
Disney Move (Ubisoft)
EyeToy: Antigrav
EyeToy: Monkey Mania
EyeToy: Play 2
Nicktoons Movin' (THQ)
Sega SuperStars (Sega)
U Move Super Sports (Konami)
2005
Clumsy Shumsy (Phoenix Games Ltd. [UK/NL])
EyeToy: Chat - a videophone system for use with the network adaptor
EyeToy: EduKids
EyeToy: Kinetic
EyeToy: Operation Spy (known as SpyToy in Europe)
EyeToy: Play 3
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision) - Used to import the player's face onto a created skater.
2006
Eyetoy: Kinetic Combat
Eyetoy: Play Sports
Rhythmic Star (Namco)
2007
EyeToy: Astro Zoo
2008
EyeToy Play: Hero
EyeToy Play: PomPom Party
Unreleased
EyeToy: Fight
EyeToy: Tales

2010

Gran Turismo 5 (For Head Tracking)
2009

Bomberman Ultra (streams video to other players when you win a tournament)
Tiger Woods 10
Eyedentify
EyePet
Fight Night Round 4
2008

Buzz!: Quiz TV (compatible with Playstation 2 EyeToy)
Burnout Paradise[17] (Used to share personal snapshot after winning/losing against other players online. (Also compatible with Playstation 2 EyeToy))
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 [18] (Used to upload personal image for the character)
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition[19] (used to see others)
LittleBigPlanet (Used to create levels, also compatible with PlayStation 2 EyeToy)
FaceBreaker (Used to upload personal image for the character)
PES 2009 (Used to upload personal image for the character, 'Become a Legend' mode)
SingStar Vol. 2 (Used to record video and take snapshots and upload online)
2007

Aqua Vita/Aquatopia
Ember[10]
Mesmerize - January 17, 2008 (North America)[20]
Operation Creature Feature[21] - October 25, 2007[5]
The Eye of Judgment[2]
The Trials of Topoq
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08[22]
Tori-Emaki
SingStar[23]
Sky Blue[10]
Snakeball[21]
PES 2008[24]

all of this is support + games for the PSeye(ps3) and the Eyetoy(PS2)

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Ausbo - 25 days 5 hours ago

1.9 - @wxer

i am talking about GOOD GAMES.

not all the sh**y shovelware you just pulled out of wikipedia

edit: and 0 of those titles appeal to the hardcore gamer

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rockleex - 25 days 5 hours ago

1.10 - What makes Ausbo think...

That Natal will offer hardcore experiences?

In order to provide hardcore experiences, input has to be precise and accurate. Natal is not. Eyetoy is not. The original Wiimote is not.

Hence why they came up with Wii Motion Plus, in hopes of getting rid of "waggle" and offering more precise and accurate hardcore experiences.

While Nintendo and Sony are moving forward, Microsoft is moving backwards. And that is supposed to be revolutionary?

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wxer - 25 days 5 hours ago

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@1.9
good games ??

HELLOOOOOOOOOO
they call it casual market for a reason
yah like the wii got good games lol

"and 0 of those titles appeal to the hardcore gamer"

no one talked about hardcore gamers
and if you think that natal well appeal to hardcore gamers
you really need to re-think about that

@below
well duh
the target was NOT the hardcore gamres
the PS2 and the PS3 already got the hardcore part
" I said microsoft has to implement this into hardcore games in order to be successful."

they cant
natal is a gimmick
hardcore gamers dont like gimmicks

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Ausbo - 25 days 5 hours ago

1.12 - LISTEN TO ME

i am saying that eyetoy and pseye did not succeed because it didn't appeal to the hardcore gamer.

@rockleex
Where did i say natal will have hardcore experiences? I DIDN't. I said microsoft has to implement this into hardcore games in order to be successful.

I am not saying natal is a godsend, i am saying that if it can do the things that the eyetoy didn't do, than it CAN be successful.

Edit: Wii actually brought forth twilight princess, and metroid. Those are hardcore experiences.

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rockleex - 25 days 5 hours ago

1.13 - "Wii actually brought forth twilight princess, and metroid. Those are hardcore experiences."

Yes. Nintendo was actually able to offer hardcore experiences with the original Wiimote because you're actually able to aim with the Wiimote, though very inaccurate.

A lot of the other motion gestures in those games were merely "waggle". Yet the main basis of controls for those games require the buttons and analog sticks.

The biggest role that the original Wiimote's motion sensing played in hardcore experiences was for aiming. And even then they were not accurate.

I can't say how successful Natal will be for Microsoft. But all I can say is that the hardcore crowd will no longer be praising it once it comes out.

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4Sh0w - 25 days 5 hours ago

1.14 - well Roah,

Its more than just the media, alot of devs have said they were impressed by Natal, even at TGS alot of the biggest Japanese devs were excited about Natal and all of them either said they have some great ideas or are already working with Natal. I dont recall hearing so much positive impressions of pseye from devs, also as Wxer shows above with pseye sony only intruduced shovelware, meaning if sony had been serious we would of seen some deep implementation in hardcore games. Alot of you guys say 'meh about Natal but the devs are excited, and non loyal gamers seem to have a wait and see attitude, so the fact that guys like you hate Natal doesnt really matter 'cause you dont make games and IF devs do make some good hardcore games using Natal non loyal GAMERS will happily play them.

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zerocrossing - 25 days 4 hours ago

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its hard to be impressed when the only features shown are glitchy examples and video hoax very poorly done, Natal is still a work in progress and even if it does deliver wat it is setting out to do no one wants another gimik so it better impress the core gamers other wise its a wasted effort, dev's will pay attention to anything they can make quick £'s or $'s out of with more mediocre games.

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zerocrossing - 25 days 6 hours ago

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Well it is true the PS2 was the 1st console to make use of motion sensing technoligy that im aware of, wether they faild or just didnt push it as much as they should have is debatable, Nintendo made the right choice going with the wiimote thats been proven by all the sales unfortunatly theyre not catering to the needs of the majority hardcore gamers, with the PS3 and 360 bringing out there own motion sensors we may see some unique games making use of what motion sensors can realy do for the hardcore gaming market.

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Saaking - 25 days 2 hours ago

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Don't you remember the power glove?

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zerocrossing - 25 days 1 hour ago

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sorry i dont think i remember that one, did it also make use of motion sensors?

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Grandreaper9999 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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No mention of the Z-cam, and how it was basically an improved Eyetoy/PSEye? And that Natal is basically a Z-cam (not the pioneer of motion capturing hardware utilized in controlling videogames)?

I hope every other Pro-Natal blogger starts doing some research being writing this stuff up.

Not a terrible article, but it's surely a sign of things to come.

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K1W1 - 25 days 6 hours ago

4 - One thing I would like to know about Natal is

If I point or gesture to a certain area on screen, can Natal track and accurately highlight that area?

For example if I were playing Republic Commando with Natal and I wanted Sev to take up a sniper position in a certain spot. Could I just point to the spot with my hand and bark out orders to my troops without having to put my crosshairs on the position.

I'm not talking about a cursor that tracks my hand, but more like point and click kind of thing you know?

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Godmars290 - 25 days 6 hours ago

5 - All this talk and hype towards Natal,

And we've yet to see one actual noteworthy title. Just sideways announcements about how what has been shown - Burnout - wont be playable to the public.

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Cherchez La Ghost - 25 days 5 hours ago

6 - Most of you keep saying it's the Playstation Eye...,

But Sony dropped that ball a long time ago. Sony could have made the Eye far more better status than what it is today. Now MS picked up where they left off. I saw the tech demo's for the PSEye on the PS2 and it was amazing. Why did Sony ceased on innovating on it?!

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Godmars290 - 25 days 5 hours ago

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But they haven't *DONE* anything with it yet. That's the point.

They might advertise the sh*t out of it, but if they cant raise the level of quality above that of Eyetoy games, interest in Natal is going to nose-dive harder then the Eyetoy did. Meanwhile Sony's making a 2-3rd push with the Eyetoy, so any momentum Natal gets will also make the Eyetoy popular.

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darkride66 - 25 days 5 hours ago

6.2 - Yeah, I've gotta agree with this.

And on top of all that, who the hell wants to play their games with no controller? Not me, I'll tell you that.

I watch those guys holding a pretend steering wheel and pressing on pretend gas pedals and go, "Huh. That looks like far more trouble then it's worth."

When I get home from a hard day at work, the last thing I want to do is jump around my living room. I want to sink into my couch, grab a controller and blow things up. Games are what I do to relax and Natal doesn't look relaxing.

But I can certainly see how there's an audience for this tech, I'm just not one of them.

Ultimately, I'll have to wait and see how they use it but so far they haven't really shown anything I'd be interested in.

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Cherchez La Ghost - 25 days 5 hours ago

6.3 - darkride, I think you might be getting the wrong impression.

I cannot even imaging playing games without a wireless controller. Natal is noting but a user-friendly tech for all ages. I cannot see myself playing Call of Duty with Natal. MS is trying to touch all aspects with the 360 making it multimedia gaming console for everyone. I truly don't think that MS is concentrating on making Natal to take the controller spot for gaming. I'm like you, I cannont be jumping around like a fool after a hard day.

In my opinion, Sony can get the jump on Natal is to make Arcade games right now before Natal launches. Get some small Indie companies out there like on Xbox Live has for the PSEye. "DO THIS NOW" and get some gears going for Dev's to see what the people want.

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militant07 - 25 days 5 hours ago

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you guyz should know that EYE TOY wasnt the first, DREAMEYE is

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itchy18 - 24 days 21 hours ago

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haven't heard of that one. what's that?

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Jamescagney - 25 days 5 hours ago

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Lol more knocking Nintendo, never mind the fact that we don't know what they are planning on doing next with the huge amount of R&D money they now have.

Let the sheep follow though aye?

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gumgum99 - 25 days 3 hours ago

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Wow, a positive 360 article. Haven't seen one of these in a while...

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Microsoft Xbox 360 - 25 days 2 hours ago

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It requires a lot of BS'ing to make one though. This article is a perfect example.

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Bigpappy - 24 days 17 hours ago

10 - Hilarious

Now fanboys are going to argue with a guy who actually play with Natal. They are saying that what he experienced is not true, because they saw lag in an internet video. That is some funny sh!t right there. Hilarious

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MetalGearRising - 25 days 7 hours ago

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NATAL (It only does everything).

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Gabe EatsWell - 25 days 7 hours ago

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It even makes you look like a dumba**

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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K1W1 - 25 days 7 hours ago

1.2 - @ Gabe

Looking like a dumba** or not. if it's fun people won't care.

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itchy18 - 25 days 7 hours ago

1.3 - @MGR

lol poor kid

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paradigmfellow - 25 days 6 hours ago

1.4 - sure

lets see how our human dexterity does when faced with air. I would suggest to try this out. Tap your finger on a table. Then try to tap it in the air. Can't do the same thing right. Therefore our own limitations will doom natal

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The real killer - 25 days 6 hours ago

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"NATAL (It only does everything)"

I see no screen but only people with strange move.
Those people's are instructing by Microsoft for faking movement, otherwise we all see the screen why they moving.

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ReviewsArePolitics - 25 days 5 hours ago

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It even brainwashes morons like MGR

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Foliage - 25 days 4 hours ago

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I read the title wrong. I thought for a second the 360 finally got a game. It looks like you'll have to keep waiting for a good exclusive bots.

360: It only does nothing, but you pay extra for it

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Ninji - 25 days 2 hours ago

1.8 - lmao

The xbots are so desperate for something good that they have to use catchphrases for the PS3.

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itchy18 - 24 days 21 hours ago

1.9 - @Ninji

lol. i agree. they're so desperate cause they don't have games to play anymore.

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tidort - 24 days 21 hours ago

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@MetalGearRising (it only does trolling)

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itchy18 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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can't imagine myself playing this game.

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Sonyslave3 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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don't worry you got to have a xbox 360 to use natal anyway.

@ lol at all the disagree so natal is coming to another console i thought it was 360 only that what MS said.

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K1W1 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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You can't imagine yourself playing this game?

We don't even know what it is yet!

It could be Natal's killer app for all we know.

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paradigmfellow - 25 days 6 hours ago

2.3 - @K1W1

Look at my comment about human dexterity

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K1W1 - 25 days 6 hours ago

2.4 - paradigmfellow.

I don't mean to be ignorant but I'm not sure I fully understand what your getting at.

Care to expand what your saying?

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Foliage - 25 days 4 hours ago

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Natal is aimed at the 360 user. Interacting with a 12 year-old boy will give the xbots a false sense of security that at school it doesn't matter that the other boys don't talk to them, because they will always have Milo their super friend.

Just as Gran Turismo is the only true racing simulator, Milo will be a playground simulator for the bots.

Yeah, I don't see the appeal either, maybe that's why I sold the 360 and kept the PS3. I'm into mature games with depth and meaning, not this rubbish for little kids.

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paradigmfellow - 25 days 6 hours ago

3 - @K1W1

My point was to make people aware that without a physical item to hold to perform certain actions, it will be difficult or impossible. You will not be able to perform certain percise actions such as aiming well and shooting. Another example is that you will probable get tired trying to hold something that isn't there while trying to drive a car.

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itchy18 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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i agree.

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K1W1 - 25 days 6 hours ago

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I get where your coming from now thanks.

Yes I think that will be a bit of an issue.

I guess we will just have to see what comes of it.

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paradigmfellow - 25 days 5 hours ago

3.3 - true

true we will see

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EasilyTheBest - 25 days 5 hours ago

4 - It hasnt been released yet...

Your just going by whats been shown at E3.
There could be a whole lot of differences by then.
I see there being a plug in that fits into the original 360 controller that interacts with Natal aswell.
Obviously not with all games, but I think such a thing would come as standard. Natal would therefore know exactly where the controller was, a hardcore Halo type game would then use the controller as usual but you could throw grenades, open doors etc etc..

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chrisulloa - 25 days 3 hours ago

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Microsoft is going to appeal to everyone, the Wii is going to take a big hit. They need to release their Wii HD now.

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