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Microsoft Sued Over Xbox Live

On June 22, 2009, the day before trial began, the judge in this patent infringement case made a key decision by opting to use the special master's construction of a disputed claim.

In 1991, Peter Hochstein and Jeffrey Tenenbaum came up with the idea of communicating live while playing the same video game in separate locations. They patented the technology for doing so in 1994. In 2002, Microsoft released Xbox Live, a gaming service that also allows users to communicate while playing the same game. Sony also released similar capabilities for PlayStation 2. In 2004, Hochstein, Tenenbaum and Harold Milton, Jr. (an assignee of the patent) brought a patent infringement suit against Microsoft and Sony alleging that the voice and data communications technology used in the gaming systems infringed on the patent claims. For relief they sought a permanent injunction and treble damages. Sony settled its suit in April 2009, leaving Microsoft as the only remaining defendant.
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Arsenic13 - 179 days 2 hours ago
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Attention fanboys. The same sh*t happened to Sony so please read the article before some retarded crap is written.
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swiftshot93 - 179 days 1 hour ago
1.5 - is this really the gamer zone?
holy sh1t lol. Its funny though.
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Tony P - 179 days 1 hour ago
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Seriously, if you can take the time to write a comment, take time to at least read the blurb. You all want to accuse MS of foul play, but you neglect to see both Sony and MS are at risk. Clearly stated in the blurb alone.

The guy sued both. Sony settled this year. He's also brought a new lawsuit against the two since they've since come out with new consoles running on what he says is his same idea.
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heroicjanitor - 179 days 1 hour ago
1.7 - I don't understand this..
MS and Sony use different ways to support online play, so how can he sue both? Does he own all online play because he thought of it first?
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Thugbot187 - 179 days 1 hour ago
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Just so silly because the patent used the most generic terms to describe online video game computer communication. Hopeful Sony and Microsoft can beat this.
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Greywulf - 179 days 1 hour ago
1.9 - I just patented the idea of using the letters "A,Z,H,L" While communicating online.
^^^^^^ all owe me monies.
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IdleLeeSiuLung - 179 days ago
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This is the problem with patenting software ideas. Example of this is the amazon 1-click purchase.

I guess all companies do this so they all kill each other while the lawyer is laughing all the way to the bank!
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Greywulf - 179 days ago
1.12 - tlo
lol
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RememberThe357 - 179 days ago
1.13 - Thugbot187
Sony settled this a while ago. This is behind them.
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FamilyGuy - 179 days ago
1.14 - Generic much?
That patent is just ridiculous, there should be technology related to patents because the ability to patent an idea limits everyone. Why should I pay royalties to "that guy" just cause he thought of riding a treadmill to power a generator first? He should only be able to patent idea technological method of doing so.

If sony paid/settled the first time then his case against the PS3 and 360 are just as valid this time since he still owns the patent. Unless sony paid for constant use or something...
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Arsenic13 - 178 days 23 hours ago
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I sacrificed a bubble to call out these fanboy tards.
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FamilyGuy - 178 days 22 hours ago
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Well I lost 4 bubbles since yesterday for speaking out, WITHOUT BASHING, so beat that. LOL@me :(
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AAACE5 - 178 days 19 hours ago
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The main question is, people have been playing PC games and communicating longer than Xbox and Playstation have been doing it. Why haven't they sued PC manufactuers or game companies?

I guess it's just easier to go after a defined big target as the culprit!
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OgTheClever - 178 days 18 hours ago
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These kind of lawsuits really annoy me because it's more or less the case of somebody patenting something yet had no real plans of doing it themselves anyway. So if somebody comes up with a similar idea 10 years later, and it is in no way influenced by the original idea, then there really shouldn't be a problem.
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JoySticksFTW - 178 days 18 hours ago
1.19 - Ha-ha! Sony settled quick! They remember what happened with the Rumble Immersion debacle. Good for them
And MS has more money than... well anyone... so they'll be all right
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y0haN - 178 days 12 hours ago
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Lol, what you can get away with a patent these days. I'm sure these people patented drinking water and using the toilet.
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a_squirrel - 178 days 12 hours ago
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lol, too late xD

IMFO
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F3NIX DX - 179 days 1 hour ago
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Sony was smart enough to settle i'll bet microsoft won't do the same until the very end when they know they are about to lose they will settle for an undeclared amount. what i don't understand is why did they take so long to come out and sue, haven't they heard of the ps2,ps3,xbox,360,psp,dreamcast ...etc all capable of communicating with other people (although dreamcast used dial-up)
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Tony P - 179 days 1 hour ago
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The plaintiffs have been at this since 2004 which is two years after the début of Live. From what I've seen it's not that unusual for it to take a year or two to pool your resources before launching an infringement suit.
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Blaze929 - 178 days 23 hours ago
3.3 - @F3NIX DX
"what i don't understand is why did they take so long to come out and sue"

It's simple, greed. If someone stole a song you wrote would you sue them immediately or wait till it reaches it's peak and try to get as much money as possible do to the success of the song?
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Immortal Kaim - 179 days 1 hour ago
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These things are ridiculous, these patent infringements are getting more and more absurd. Anyone can take out a patent on ANYTHING, with no intention of ever developing the idea. Then they wait until someone actually does introduce whatever it was that was patented, and then sue the ass off them...pathetic.

Really, patenting voice communication over the net whilst playing games is ludicrous.
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F3NIX DX - 179 days 1 hour ago
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wait minute sony doesn't support cross game chat like xbox 360...devs. implement this if they want to use it on the ps3. ps3 only supports voice chat mail. so does this mean he can sue game studios if they want to?
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randomwiz - 178 days 11 hours ago
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"at least one remote video game"

basically using a headset to talk to other people in the game is an infringement of this patent.
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kaveti6616 - 179 days 1 hour ago
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Did these guys actually develop a way of communicating while playing the same game or did they just get the idea and patent the idea? Because, if they just got the idea and said, "Oh, I bet a large company with engineers will probably develop this capability one day, and then we can sue them for taking our idea," well then eff those guys. Both MS and Sony spent money or research and development to make the capability.

MS and Sony used their own engineers and their own resources. Why should they have to owe these guys anything? There are billions of people in the world. It is probable for two different people to have the same idea. The one who takes the initiative is more commendable than the moron who says he owns the idea but never does anything with it.

I really think that neither MS or Sony is wrong here. These A-holes are just leeches that are feeding off the success of two large companies. I hope MS counter-sues for frivolous charges and runs these guys into the ground.
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Immortal Kaim - 179 days ago
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+1

I guess the army owes the relatives of Da Vinci heaps of cash for using blackhawks, his aerial screw is clearly the same idea as the modern helicopter, hell he even had sketches...sue the ass off of them...
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Magnus - 179 days ago
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A patent that remains dormant for that long and is not in any use should be null and void every other month Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo get sued for something. What next I see Microsoft gets sued again cause the Xbox is white or Sony gets sued cause the system is black.
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ElementX - 179 days ago
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PC games back in the day allowed you to send text messages to others playing the same game. Why weren't they taken to court? Some games even allowed you to communicate via headsets.
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Blow Out Your Brains - 178 days 23 hours ago
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Damn, SONY already settled. MS is next. This guy is rich biatch!!
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BadKarmaSutra96 - 178 days 22 hours ago
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I like the pic of the lawyers. They all look happy like they just won the lottery.

I predict Bill Gates will show Peter Hochstein and Jeffrey Tenenbaum a patent of his own called the "satellite mounted death ray". Then they can talk to each other over IP and tell each other how they're melting and catching fire.

I think the descendants of Alexander Graham Bell should sue Peter Hochstein and Jeffrey Tenenbaum over infringing on the concept of communicating remotely over a wire.
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na-no-nai - 178 days 21 hours ago
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this thing is getting retarded i mean. if they had made it and tried to used it in game console right and got denied then i will understand but they havent even made that crap yet. and they sued it years later after it came out. wtf wrong wit this world. people just out there for money. hope microsoft win this battle
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raidenCPT - 178 days 20 hours ago
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the American dream
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Silber - 178 days 17 hours ago
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This one describes this nonsense at best:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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M_Prime - 178 days 3 hours ago
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AWSOME SONG and VIDEO!
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Sheikh Yerbouti - 178 days 15 hours ago
15 - This happens a lot people...
In yesterday’s WSJ, I read Honda has patented hybrid vehicles. Ford too has a hybrid vehicle, the architecture different and developed independently of Honda. Honda still could sue Ford for patent infringement, but has instead decided to cross-license the technology. Still other automakers are in a fix, because fuel-economy standards are necessitating hybrid vehicles – some are pursuing a wholly electric-powered car. The only Green here is the money for Honda.

Personally, with DRM to ‘napkin’ patents to litigation against Pirate Bay, I feel our current IP laws are woefully antiquated. The only problems with that IMHO are what laws replace those?
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Sheikh Yerbouti - 178 days 2 hours ago
15.1 - My Bad...
it was Toyota, not Honda.
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artsaber - 178 days 12 hours ago
16 - I think I will patent the idea of "Breathing Air"
This way I can disallow these patent squatters the right to breathe and kill them off... or of course I will sue. lol
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hesido - 178 days 11 hours ago
17 - They patented communication
There's NOTHING, and NOTHING genius behind it. They don't deserve any of the money they might make out of this.
And they should not be awarded. How is this different than VoIP? Their idea was that players could talk *while* gaming. Wow, that's very clever of them.
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M_Prime - 178 days 3 hours ago
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i swear i've been talking while gaming since COUNTER STRIKE BETA days..

dear god VALVE is prolly next!
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Darkspade - 178 days 10 hours ago
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This is a joke because Xbox live Voice and sony's voice are to different things, you telling me the this company invented Both????
first the Dual Shock and this Sony's in a hurt locker right now, I hope Microsoft blows these guy out of the water and not pay out just to move on... whats next the founder of glass is going to sue the World
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JohnMcClane - 178 days 10 hours ago
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Why hasn,t anyone commented on how funny that picture is for the artice :)?
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Dogswithguns - 178 days 6 hours ago
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This is BS, Im tired of this BS suing crap.
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M_Prime - 178 days 3 hours ago
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this is like when i think IMMERSION sued NINTENDO and SONY..

also i remember watching some TV program a while ago.. i think it was news where some douchebag lawyer wanted to show his son how the patent office worked so he patented the SIDE TO SIDE swinging.. you know when you sit on the swing and don't actually swing but move side to side...

well he owns the patent.. they showed the whole process so this guy can sue anyone swinging side to side on a swing.. UBER GHEY.. just like this
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