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Xbox Left Out? 3D Gaming Only Works with HDMI

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'Sony teases PlayStation 3D at consumer technology trade show, requires HDMI to work.

We reported on the possibility of stereoscopic 3D coming to consoles, in particular the PlayStation 3, late last year. Blitz Games, who are developing the technology, claimed that Sony was very interested in bringing the technology to both Blu-ray films and video games.

So what do you need to get the technology to work? Blitz Games' co-founder Andrew Oliver reveals that the consoles will need an HDMI output;

"[Therefore], there are some early Xbox's that won't work. Of course, they've all blown up, haven't they? I guess they get repaired in the long run..."'

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Cajun Chicken - 357 days 12 hours ago

1 - Who's laughing at the phrase 'future proof' now, eh?

Future

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Right from the start

Future

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Saint Sony - 357 days 12 hours ago

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Ever heard of 360 with HDMI?

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Score - 357 days 12 hours ago

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There can't be many 360s left without the HDMI output...even the new arcade has that.

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JsonHenry - 357 days 12 hours ago

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My 360 has HDMI...

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deep - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.4 -

Yes but then there's another problem. The game has to run at 1080p and 60fps (according to the article) and we all know the XBox 360 isn't capable of that anyway. It's clearly dooooomed.

DOOOMED!

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heroicjanitor - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.5 - See if you don't understand now

Then give up.

This is what consoles are about, that every single one should be the same, and microsoft with their tiered money-grabbing ways have completely screwed that up. This means that they can't use 3D without forcing people to buy a new 360(for the early 360s which haven't exploded).

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LONEWOLF231 - 357 days 11 hours ago

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Ahh no there are many games out there that Run in 1080p at 60fps for the 360! Call of Duty WAW is one of them.

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Cajun Chicken - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.7 - @Saint Sony

Ever heard of all the 360s WITHOUT HDMI the thousands of them, like mine, unlike PS3s that had them in every model right from launch?

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thereapersson - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.8 - @ Deep

Haha, I see what you did there. Well played, good sir. :)

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Chug - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.9 -

My launch 360 doesn't have hdmi. So I guess I'm left out...

Each of the two times my 360 was fixed due to hardware failure they refused to upgrade my "core" system to anything further (premium, elite, hdmi, etc.) than it was out of the box the day I bought it on launch day.

I'll be damned if I buy another one for this reason.

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deep - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.10 -

Lonewolf. I was being sarky. There are a couple of games running at 1080p and 60fps on the Xbox 360. And CODWAW does not run at 1080p, it runs at 600p on both consoles. Sorry to break that to you.

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Saigon - 357 days 11 hours ago

1.11 - huh

doesnt the 360 have HDMI (only certain versions if I am not mistaken)...this makes no sense...redo article...

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JsonHenry - 357 days 11 hours ago

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I thought that because of the built in hardware resolution scaler that all 360 games can "run" at 1080p 60FPS. (not natively, neither console has the throughput to run even the simplest of 3D games natively @ 1920*1080)

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deep - 357 days 11 hours ago

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"(only certain versions if I am not mistaken)"

Read more than the title?

Jason, has to be native. PS3 upscales too.

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gaffyh - 357 days 10 hours ago

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@Cajun Chicken - More like millions, in fact probably 15 million of the 360 consoles sold don't have HDMI like mine. But the PS3 had it from the beginning...

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Cajun Chicken - 357 days 10 hours ago

1.15 - @gaffyh

Good point, I was never too good with numbers...

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Graphics Whore - 357 days 10 hours ago

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Like they already mentioned, All PS3's have a hard drive and HDMI, every single one of them, it's hard to say the same thing about Xbox 360.

However then you encounter a whole new problem which is the scarcity of HDTV's, asking the question would it be worth it?

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Ju - 357 days 10 hours ago

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Jason, just FYI: http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Probably worth a read (these are native resolutions, not scaled).

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StayHigh - 357 days 9 hours ago

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There is over like 11 million xbox360 owners that have no HDMI..Microsoft screwed up and they still continue to sell their gimped out xbox360 with endless flaws within the system.. This show how Microsoft does't really care about consumers .Sony fans will get the last laugh because we got a system that is future proof!! with lots of exclusive games and movies.

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Jenzo - 357 days 9 hours ago

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Will be something to look forward to for the next gen of consoles.

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eagle21 - 357 days 8 hours ago

1.21 - I like the sound of that.

Xbox left out. Solution: Buy the PS3. Easy fix.

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Kushan - 357 days 8 hours ago

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You got what you paid for when you bought the 360. Sure, the PS3 is "future proof", but it's also a lot more expensive, surely it's fair to say that neither company made a mistake, they just had different targets. The PS3 isn't going to get as cheap as the 360 any time soon and RIGHT NOW the only real benefit is Blu-ray. When this 3D technology actually comes to market (if it ever does, that is), the PS3 will probably cost less than what a 360 costs now. It's a non-issue, you pay for being "future proof", simple as that.

Seriously, anyone that buys something because of what it POTENTIALLY MIGHT be able to do down the line is an idiot, you buy something for what it does RIGHT NOW. When you bought your 360 2 or 3 years ago and it didn't have an HDMI port, that was entirely your choice and if you have a problem with that now, you should have evaluated the situation a bit better. Maybe you should have got a PS3, but that was expensive, so you made your choice. Deal with it.
It's like complaining that the older model of your car didn't come with a stereo capable of playing MP3s, but the new one did and Ford or whatever should upgrade you for free. Or maybe you should have bought a more expensive car that did.

Just to clarify, I'm not slamming the 360 or the PS3, I'm slamming the ones that put down cold, hard cash for something and then got upset that it didn't have a feature that it was never advertised to have anyway.

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prunchess - 357 days 7 hours ago

1.23 - @Saint Sony

I seem to have one of these 360's that doesn't have a HDMI port too.

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N4Flamers - 357 days 7 hours ago

1.24 - no way

people with launch 360's still exist? What do you all hibernate during the RROD articles.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 357 days 7 hours ago

1.25 -

@kushan,

I must agree wholeheartedly. However, I hate it when console manufacturers upgrade hardware features. Traditionally there has been one spec, but then Sony started with the slim models removing featuers as well as Nintendo Gamecube.

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This is capable on the Xbox as well, as long as games can meet that 60fps and 1080p specs. There aren't too many games that meet this demanding requirement even on the mighty PS3.

Interresting technology indeed as I saw this at an Nvidia booth this summer for the PC. However, I didn't know you had to have a compatible TV. So everybody just switched to HDTV, and now we are switching to HD3DTV....

Sounds cool, but probably won't be mainstream at all until next generation. Otherwise, we might get games that have been downgraded graphics to meet the demands of the higher 1080p resolution. I would rather have better looking textures and more detail as we all know, difference between 720p and 1080p is negligable unless you have a very large TV. This is even less so for Video games than movies....

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hitthegspot - 357 days 6 hours ago

1.26 - Anyone know

if this technology is Puke Proof? When the 80" screen glasses first hit the market most people were getting motion sickness. Anyone know if 3D will cause motion sickness?

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player911 - 357 days 6 hours ago

1.27 - Strange....

I'm using 3D glasses right now on a VGA cable on my PC.

This whole article is a crock. You don't need 1080p, that is plain stupid. All that is being done is redrawing another view point. Hell you can do this in Quake 1 running 640x480 (I know because whats when I bought the glasses). Plus it was working on a CRT monitor way back in the day.

So HDMI, 1080p, etc is all a bunch of crap. The only thing that is required is the game play at a minimum 60 frames per second because the glasses actually alternate opening and closing (to produce the 3D effect) and in effect only see every other frame. The Human eye can only detect 30fps. So if your game is running at 60fps divided by 2 = 30fps. You also have to include extra frames per second because producing a completely alternative viewpoint will cause a slight hit in the frame rate.

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Rhoic - 357 days 4 hours ago

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wrong reply lol

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Matpan - 357 days 1 hour ago

1.29 - @deep 2.2

Well I am sure Sony might have a couple of games that can run at steady 60FPS and 1080p right?... probably those two or three games during the whole console lifespan that take 3-5 years to develop (the least) and Sony boasts to death (like killzone2, been hearing about it for more than 3 years now, and don't get me wrong I LOVE how that game looks)... so yup... there you go... you can wait another five years for GT5 and bore yourself to death while realistically driving a photo realistic car in 3D... and get a headache after 20 min gameplay...

I don't fancy this stuff... I still like HD normal flat screen...

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FarEastOrient - 357 days 1 hour ago

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I agree, my Xbox 360 doesn't come with HDMI and that is all three of them. This sucks, I guess a multi-platform game that comes 3D is going straight to the PS3 side of the fence.

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UziSuicide - 356 days 15 hours ago

1.31 - @JsonHenry

That's not really true, the majority of PSN exclusives are 1080p native and their are several retail games also.

Sony doesn't advertise a game as being 1080p unless it is native, unlike MS who have no retail versions at 1080p, yet they put 1080p on the box... very unlike MS... *cough*

Live does have at least one 1080p native game, maybe a couple more but reports contradict one another.

So there you go, yes there are native 1080p game and yes it is miles ahead of anything upscaled.

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UziSuicide - 356 days 15 hours ago

1.32 - @Matpan

Ah... the guy with both consoles...

You think you'd know there are quite a few native 1080p games, the majority being PSN but also several retail games.

Love people that say they own both consoles and don't have a clue.

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UziSuicide - 356 days 15 hours ago

1.33 - @LONEWOLF231

No there are none, not retail anyway.

They're upscaled, that's just MS doing what it does best by inferring on the box that its games are 1080p.

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EXCLUSIVEGAMER - 356 days 14 hours ago

1.34 - ps3 is future proof.

LOL, since jasper did not fix anything i guess microsoft has another chipset in the works?

LOL.

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Rhythmattic - 356 days 13 hours ago

1.35 - godofthunder10

I Agree godofthunder10.

Crysis is undoubtedly graphics king. However this is a 360/PS3 article, and as usual, we have another 360 owner (you) pulling at straws.

As for the info I've found on the Net.
As for Release dates , The original 360 was launched November 2005, and the first 360 with HDMI (US) was around May 2007, August 2007 all other territories.

If MS's sales are anything to go by, guesstimates are 9 Mi per year, at least for the first two, which means there is Approx 12 Mil 360's out there that DO NOT HAVE HDMI.

As for what you say, A core released (2005) SKU 360 (20GB HD) is low end, but An arcade system (years later) with HDMI , but no HD isnt?

I know, a paradox.

Which ever way you look at it, no 360 SKU can do 1080P (caps lock) "NATIVE"

And back to your insistence of Crysis on PC, it is without a doubt the highest Pier of graphical gaming, but no matter what bltch'n PC you got , it still cant run MGS4, LBP, GT5 nor the soon coming Killzone 2.

And that sir , is FACT.

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The XBOT - 356 days 11 hours ago

1.36 - Dear Cajun Chicken

And only Cajun Chicken for his stubborness to be stupid.

This is for you f!@# face :)

http://www.gamestop.com/Cat...

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Rhythmattic - 356 days 10 hours ago

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@ The XBOT
For your Stubbiness/Blindness.......

"Now you can finally play your 360 games the way they were meant to be experienced: in true 1080p HD"

This Adaptor that converts analog signals to digital TRUE 1080P has to be the biggest marketing ploy I've seen.

How about 1080L .... (L is for Lie)

Its like getting an MP3 @ 128K VBR and converting it to Uncompressed 96K/24Bit WAV.
Pointless.

If you dont understand this example, I'll make it easier for you.

Q: How do you get a Litre of coke, and fill the equivalent of 2 Litre's worth of glasses ?
A: You Add water.

Trust me, it aint the same.

BTW. Its not even available via that catalog. Deleted perhaps ?

:-)

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Matpan - 356 days 9 hours ago

1.38 - @Uzisuicide

Hm... no, don´t own both consoles... I want to get a PS3 soon, but as of right now... just a 360.

ANd I was talking about GAMES (actual retail games) that run at native 1080p AND run at STEADY 60fps... read the full comment before answering to a little part of it :)

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Captain Tuttle - 357 days 12 hours ago

2 -

Why doesn't Sony supply an HDMI cable with every PS3?

Edit: Good points to both below. Before Christmas I saw PS3 bundles in Costco that came with an extra DS3 and an HDMI cable for $489. I still think one should be standard in every box though, it really makes Sony seem disingenuous when it talks about the "Hi-Def experience". MS gives one with the Elite.

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Fishy Fingers - 357 days 12 hours ago

2.1 -

They admitted other companys can produce perfectly good HDMI leads cheaper than Sony. Since then though Sony seem to do a range of pretty cheap cables, surprised they haven't started throwing one in the box.

But when your already making a lose, including more in the box aint the smartest idea.

Still, being forced to spend £10 on a cable is better than the £50, 360 HDMI conversion kit.

EdIT: Deep, yeah I got one free with the concole. Also got one free with my TV. Most outlets will do you a deal if your pushy enough. And like you said, unless the TVs are really cheap or they find a way to use a standard HDTV I'm not sure how far this tech will get.

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deep - 357 days 12 hours ago

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You get them when you buy the console...usually included in the store bundle. Mine was anyway.

And you need a 3d tv for this anyway lol.

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Cajun Chicken - 357 days 12 hours ago

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I picked up a HDMI up for £5 on Amazon including postage and packaging.
My 360 only has Component and not HDMI and I can't magically aquire one without a hardware failure or buying a new model.

Shame about needing a 3D enabled TV, I don't see myself getting one of those soon.
I can't imagine how great Killzone 2, Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank would look though.

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P4KY B - 357 days 11 hours ago

2.4 -

Tesco have HDMI cables for £4.99.

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hay - 357 days 11 hours ago

2.5 -

@deep: Or glasses. They could afford to make 3D with standard cables and xbox but as they said, it's a standard that has been set. I think they're trying to push some 3D TV's on the market that's why they'll be trying to make this tech display based. Although cheaper/glasses option would be well appreciated...

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thereapersson - 357 days 11 hours ago

2.6 -

Well, they can't be *that* expensive if you can find an excellent quality cable on monoprice for under 10 dollars.

Still, the logic of your point does hold weight. At least MS provides component / RCA hybrid cables with the system; component cables are cheap as dirt nowadays, so you wonder why Sony is still packaging the old Red-Yellow-White RCA cables that they've had since the PSone?

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deep - 357 days 11 hours ago

2.7 - hay

It's not "or glasses." It's 3D TV AND glasses. There are some tv's that don't require glasses, but Blitz claim it's harder to get good results on them.

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man0fsteel - 357 days 10 hours ago

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monoprice.com is the way to go when trying to purchase an inexpensive and reliable HDMI Cable

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hay - 357 days 9 hours ago

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@deep: I hope you're wrong. Not that I dislike you, just don't like the idea spending hard cash on 3DTV to experience stereoscopy in games...

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Jenzo - 357 days 9 hours ago

2.10 -

The Xbox 720 will deliver a deeper 3D experience than the PS4! Oh yes! I'm warming up!

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Capt CHAOS - 357 days 11 hours ago

1 - I saw this 'news' in the waiting for approval..

And thought better than waste by breath on it, never fearing that this would ever get approved.

This really is the proof that n4g news is submit by kids and approved by kids.

deep: How old are you?
"[Therefore], there are some early Xbox's that won't work. Of course, they've all blown up, haven't they? I guess they get repaired in the long run..."'

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Syko 360 - 357 days 10 hours ago

3.1 -

Actually in all fairness I do have a 3D HDTV, It is 3d HDTV "Ready" and I still need to buy the $130 kit with the LCD glasses and hook it up to my PC, but my TV is ready. Right now as far as I know only the DLP type of TV's are 3D ready as they have much better refresh rates than LCD or Plasma. My model is a LED DLP Samsung 56"...There are pictures on the N4G forums if you look. http://www.amazon.com/Samsu...

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d...

I really want some good Blu Ray movies in 3-d though...More so than I want games. Either way I have a 360 and a PS3 so if 3D comes out I will have it no matter what. =)

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Magic_The_Celt - 357 days 8 hours ago

4 -

All PS3 SKU's ship with Wi-Fi

All PS3 SKU's ship with a HDD

All PS3 SKU's ship with Blu-Ray

All PS3 SKU's ship with an HDMI port

:) nice one sony

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Z501 - 357 days 7 hours ago

5 - It's funny

Launch 360 owners consoles either dont's have HDMI or the've all gone to video game heaven.

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sak500 - 357 days 7 hours ago

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As usual sony hyping something coming when most of us would be dead. My 2 360s dont have HDMI, circa 2006. My SONY 50" HDTV nov/dec 2005 purchase doesnt hv hdmi. I dont care about 4D or 3D games. Been enjoying amazing games from get go never had to waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait for 2 years for first AA title. Got a $14k personal loan and $38k in new credit cards from 2 banks but still wont buy a ps3.

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Mc187 - 357 days 3 hours ago

6.1 - Blah blah blah

No one cares that in 5 years you'll be claiming bankruptcy because you spent all your money on repairing your army of broken 360's. Like I said earlier today if you don't have anything to add to the conversation you can do all of us a favor and STFU.

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silverchode - 356 days 21 hours ago

6.2 -

i feel sorry for those around you :(

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Narutone66 - 356 days 12 hours ago

6.3 - Just like me, I got myself a launch 60GB BC PS3

A Sony Bravia 40" LCD HDTV and a PSP. Even though the Xbox 360 is selling almost the same price as the PSP, I still won't get that piece of crap console. Even the demo unit in many store have all RROD. Show what kind of defective console MS make.

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jack who - 357 days 2 hours ago

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my 360 has an HDMI but no 3D tv :(

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redki - 356 days 15 hours ago

8 - the title is stupid

dude the title should say old xbox 360!!!!!!!

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