Square Enix and the 360

Bubbles - 355 days 1 hour ago

We must remember that all devs wear a veil. Most of the time the only thing that determines whether it stays on or comes off is loyalty and/or money, and that there my friend is separated by a very thin line

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Godmars290 - 355 days 1 hour ago

If they're games aren't selling on the system, aren't selling systems, I think they do/should care ICUP.

If you've got a title like WKC which is selling better on the other system, you should really be rethinking who you're supporting.

Edit:
"and there’s a genuine chance that it’ll outsell the PS3 version"

Sorry?!

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Narutone66 - 355 days ago

about releasing their games on a last-gen optical drive. As you could see in all the torrent sites, piracy for the last-gen optical drive is very rampant.

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N4360G - 354 days 20 hours ago

Microsoft is paying Square Enix to bring games to the Xbox 360.

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Jenzo - 354 days 18 hours ago

Lol @ people who go the extra mile to push ctrl + 4 just to make MS look extra bad. Funny how you almost never see Sony written as $ony. Maybe the hate isn't as strong with MS...sorry, M$ fanboys ;)

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CBaoth - 354 days 17 hours ago

Think about it. Contrary to popular opinion here, JRPGs have always been a niche genre EVERYWHERE outside of Japan. In fact, while I can name ME, Fable2, Oblivion, and Fallout3 as multi-million sellers, not 1 JRPG has sold a million. I understand MS wants a Japanese presence, but in hindsight, it doesn't make much sense to throw money at SE for exclusives. MS doesn't have a handheld, which fair or not, comprises a bulk of SE's earnings in most years. MS's core audience, the Western gamer, isn't interested in JRPGs or their countless re-makes. MS should've spent just enough money to make sure SE became a 3rd party developer, but focused the majority of their financial backing to WRPG devs like Bethesda or Bioware (obviously before Bio was sold to EA). As a 360 fan, do you personally think the MS-SE marriage has bore anything fruitful yet? FF13 is still 2 yrs away for the majority of us.

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Jenzo - 354 days 17 hours ago

I agree with you, my point was meant as universal for N4G though, not this thread in particular.

Trying to buy SE is pointless, if anything they should go after Bethesda and still keep securing third party exclusives. Like they've done with SE this holiday. Even if Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery weren't very good the business tactics was clever.

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giovonti - 354 days 5 hours ago

Maybe MS paid for the exclusive maybe not. But that's besides the point, what is strange is who gives a damn what MS buys? Does anybody gripe when Sony or Nintendo buys something? I mean no one complains about Sony buying up studios, would it make everyone happier if MS bought SE?

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militant07 - 354 days 23 hours ago

the only one is screwd is ps3 onwers after all. square enix made alot of sucks games before. and the thier big hits isnt even out.

@apena89
watch your mouth or go to open zone

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apena89 - 354 days 19 hours ago

still kinda new to N4G so idk what gamer and open is.
:(

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SL1M DADDY - 354 days 16 hours ago

He's just warning you to watch the use of terms like Xbot and Sony Droid. Those terms are welcome in the open zone but here in the gamer zone we try to adhere to the rules and keep from making derogatory statements... Of course, there are always a few exceptions to the rule but in most cases, the mods will ban you to the open zone if you use the terms too often.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to N4G.

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Unicron - 355 days 2 hours ago

Xi, you're a level headed guy... what is your personal opinion on exclusive DLC? I find it to be a disservice to customers and fans. What's your take, if you don't mind answering.

Edit - Specifically, the Fallout 3 and GTA4 story expansions.

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Xi - 355 days 1 hour ago

depends, are you talking about free DLC, episodic content, larger updates(like map packs) or something like horse armor?

Well for the fans it shouldn't really matter, you're buying a game like GTA or Fallout 3 for the story being told in the game, not via the DLC which may come later. Not only this many 'true' fans of the game have likely purchased the version they think will do the game the most justice. Most developers take that into consideration when developing the DLC, they know there is always the opportunity that the may alienate fans by producing exclusive content for one version over another, often why DLC is sub-par compared to the title. The only way i see it as a disservice to the fans if they're purposely holding back content that would have otherwise been released in the full game.

On a personal level, I think it's a double edged sword, I don't know any of the numbers that show the popularity of DLC, or how often people purchase it, but I have a rough estimation of how often people complete a game. And it's shockingly low, so I don't know how DLC will be able to produce those who've already "given up" on the game more incentive to play it again. Also on one side you have the opportunity for the developer to make easy money, no need for a new engine, most assets already in existence, but that's only if it sells, otherwise you're in a money sink.

As for what MS has done, well, that's business, you make deals and hope for the best. I think in the end it's helped Microsoft, GTA used to be predominantly a "sony" game (even though it was on both xbox and PC) but because microsoft made the effort it's now multiplatform, people only now widely acknowledge that.

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BigMassacre - 355 days 1 hour ago

tri-Ace may be the developers of the Star Ocean series, but Star Ocean is a Square Enix property. Star Ocean was one of Enix's series before they merged with Square. Same with Dragon Quest. All of tri-Ace's games were published by Square Enix. It's nothing new.

If Square Enix wants Star Ocean to go anywhere else, it will. It's their property.

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Xi - 355 days 1 hour ago

Actually it's always been made by Tri-ace and published by Enix, as far as I know tri-ace is the owner of all rights related to the franchise.

Yeah, I had to change that, it's a bit misleading. But I've never seen the franchise change hands (DQ has) so I only assume that tri-ace still owns the rights to the IP, and they have some contract with sqaure for publishing rights, considering every game they've ever made has been published by square (including IU which is owned by MS).

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BigMassacre - 355 days 1 hour ago

So, Level 5 has the rights to Dragon Quest?

Edit: Ah, didn't catch you before your edit. Eh, anyway. We'll see how this all turns out.

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yojoe26 - 355 days 1 hour ago

I'm really liking Level 5 and their work. Dark Cloud, Dragon Quest 8, etc. Didn't play rogue galaxy but heard good things about it. I look forward to White Knight Chronicles just as much as FF13 and FF13 versus. And on a side note I want to urge all PS3 owners who are rpg fans to go pick up Valkryia Chronicles and support this game. I just bought it today and it is absolutely awesome. I just don't understand the lackluster sales. Why in the world do PS3 owners complain about not having any good rpgs and then when an incredibly original, stellar, award-winning rpg title comes out they don't bother with it? Go buy Valkryia Chronicles.....PSN ID: Frodo25

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Narutone66 - 355 days ago

A lot of PS3 owners did get the Valkyria Chronicles, but it is not enough to make a dent in games sold compared to other PS3 games. There were a lot of great PS3 games out almost a few weeks apart. Most PS3 owners are not filthy rich and take into account the recession. Some PS3 owners might only be able to afford 1 game per month, and they might want a shooter more than a rpg, so they buy R2 instead of VC. But we'll see, a great game have tendency to sell well over a period of time.

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militant07 - 354 days 19 hours ago

what makes Level 5 better than Sqaure enix ?? becasue they made WKS ??
did you play WKS ???
is it rated high ?? (29/40)

screw ps3fanboys

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rockleex - 354 days 19 hours ago

Hmm, I don't know why Level 5 is so great.

I mean, yojoe26 just listed some great Level 5 games. But those games could not POSSIBLY be the reason why people like Level 5!!

/major sarcasm

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pippoppow - 354 days 11 hours ago

Level5 has that certain magic in their games that Sega was known for. It's the look, story and overall gameplay that meshes into a very pleasing experience. As for Sega, they have recaptured that magic they once had with Valkyria Chronicles. VC is a game that belongs along side Sega's pantheon of great titles. Reminds me of playing an old school Sega classic with updated gameplay mechanics and gfx. Hope they can keep it up.

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Neoraf - 355 days 1 hour ago

Pretty obvious:
Sony doesn't have money. Bad financial situation.

FF13Versus is cheaper to secure (smaller-scale game).
FF13 was not affordable by Sony... so it went with the cheap one.

This way, Sony Fanboys can continue dreaming about something.
Good move Sony! Cheap, good and efficient!

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ZeroBlitz - 355 days 1 hour ago

Seriously. What? Sony don't pay for exclusives and have stated as such. It's something many people have considered a weakness in the past considering how little problem Microsoft has shown doing the same. Now, Sony are really starting to show off their first-party developers and thus aren't being looked down upon so much.

However Microsoft convinced S-E to give up exclusivity for XIII (many people assume money), they obviously couldn't get them to do the same for Versus. Or, they figured the 'main' game was worth a lot more to them than what they probably consider a spinoff. It also didn't hurt that the leading developer really wants to show off what he can do with the PS3.

Edit: Versus, smaller scale game? It's obvious XIII will stand out more to anyone that hasn't heard about or done any research on the games but both are clearly on the same scale.

If claims of Sony having 'financial problems' are alluding to the downturn in the economy then Microsoft is going through the same thing. If not then you're delluding yourself.

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Sangria - 355 days 1 hour ago

From what we know, it's the Nomura's team that absolutely didn't want to make FF Versus XIII a multiplatform. Just like Kojima with Metal Gear Solid 4, Square Enix may have put big pressure on FFvXIII's team but they did not capitulate.

However, unless someone make a true interview without wooden language, some part of this business will never be known, everything will be speculations.

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Daurelus17 - 355 days 1 hour ago

"FF13Versus is cheaper to secure (smaller-scale game). "
how so?

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00 - 355 days ago

rofl sure they don't by exclusive, just like every other company in the past.

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MasFlowKiller - 354 days 21 hours ago

I dont think sony has paid for any exclusive other then MGS4 i think, sony has the best first and second party support in the industry, this is were sony's strategy is different from MS, MS pays for Exclusive DLC, or time exclusive while sony puts their money into its first and second party.

i think that MS should put more money into its first and second party support and Sony should just improve its relation with third party's

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OSIRUSSS - 355 days 1 hour ago

Wrong!!! There is no good reason to buy a 360.

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No Way - 354 days 23 hours ago

Go back to sleep, child.

I don't know where you have been.. but, there is plenty reason to buy a x360, and I'm not complaining if Square-Enix wants to create more RPG's (exclusive or not) on the x360.

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Neoraf - 355 days 1 hour ago

More like 900k.

Xbox360 will soon get past 1 million in Japan (February or March).

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Apocalypse Shadow - 355 days ago

you must can't read or english is not your first language.

I SAID

***the 360 would have never even have sold 500,000 consoles in japan.***

i did not say 360 sold ***ONLY*** 500,000 systems.

i am well aware that 360 is over 500,000.but sales of 360 rpgs are abysmal.

did lost sell over 5 million copies?no
did tales sell over 5 million copies?no
did blue dragon sell over 5 million copies?no

did any 360 rpg sell over 5 million copies?no

so what i'm saying is that,even if square is targeting the western market with rpgs,and in their own backyard for 360,sales of those games are not going anywhere.

360 has more consoles sold than ps3 in america.but sales of jrpgs for 360 are a joke compared to shooters.so their thinking that 360 gamers are going to buy their rpgs like shooters are just dellusions.foolishness i say.

even with the guy(sakaguchi) who made FF a household name,his rpgs don't sell on 360.just because 360 has more consoles doesn't mean that the fans have the console and are waiting for their games.the sales tell me otherwise.even the psp ff:crisis core sold more than 360 rpgs.

TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

apocalypse.................

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artzm - 354 days 10 hours ago

"you must can't read or english is not your first language" and that was about where I quit reading.

Did you ever think that maybe JRPG's aren't selling anymore because no one likes them anymore? Japan isn't near the largest market and the only reason they ever sold is because markets like the US and Europe bought those games. As mentioned before games like Fable 2, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 have taken over the American market.

Don't try to feed me bullshit about how SE is making games for the 360 because it feels sorry for Microsoft, they are doing it because they can market to more people! Who cares how many consoles are in Japan, SE looks at the world market which by the way has more 360's in it than PS3's so they are going to try to latch onto that and make money off of it. Opposite of last gen where the PS2 was king so SE had no problem sitting on that console.

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jack who - 355 days 2 hours ago

jealous much?

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Queers of War - 355 days 2 hours ago

about lackluster jrpgs?

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jack who - 355 days 2 hours ago

at least they GET jrpgs

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gambare - 355 days 2 hours ago

at least on PSP/DS we got WAY better JRPGs

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DavidMacDougall - 355 days 2 hours ago

So your happy as long as the 360 GETS games even if they suck? Good thing you own a 360 then

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 354 days 5 hours ago

So far, they don't have much to be jealous about, but yeah...wouldn't you be jealous if we got Gears of War? I mean, Gears is an amazing series.

When they start releasing FF's exclusive to the 360...then, we'll be jealous. Until then, we're happy with Valkyria Chronicles. We have WKC coming soon also. EVERYONE is going to buy that game.

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guiltyspark - 355 days 1 hour ago

HAIL

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gamfreak - 355 days ago

it not working, but do you think SE cares how success the 360 are....?
Answer NO...! SE don't give a s*it about it, as long as they get paid from M$, and i tell ya, it not a small figure.....!

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zag - 354 days 20 hours ago

humm, it would seem to me, that your trying to make out that, what you started writing isn't true.

Then say that SE's own sales data really does prove their games aren't selling well on 360 and that the currently released games really are crap.

then with A/B, your trying to make out that people who own a 360 in the USA really do want crapy SE JRPGs desperately.

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NaiNaiNai - 354 days 17 hours ago

im sorry did i miss something.

SE has its but load of crappy games on the ps2, yet people never complained about them then, its only when they started supporting the 360 period. good games or not, that people started getting pissed, its only when they said they would make a game period for M$, that people got pissed, its funny, that those same people never once complained about games that where horrible on that system, as long as they stayed system loyal. heres some games for your tastes buds.

1.Unlimited Saga
2.Drakengard
3.Fullmetal Alchemist and the Broken Angel
4.Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
5.Fullmetal Alchemist 3: Kami o Tsugu Shōjo[
6.Musashi: Samurai Legend
7.Drakengard 2

not to mention quit a bit of others that have not gone state side and the such. so before you people mouth off, know your facts. FYI i heard that the new KH game for the ps2 is also a major let down, but no ones smack talking it because its on a sony product. and when a sony fanboy insults them for making a game on another sytem, there so called loyal fans, quite, no wonder they will still make games for the 360, cause they know they will buy them. plane and simple.
-nai-

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 354 days 5 hours ago

That was beautiful.

I still give it to Heavenly Sword though.

"I'll attack your weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE!" Kai says it to a soldier she's taking down. That was priceless.

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