Edge: MS: 360 Life-to-Date Sales Hit 28m Worldwide

kevoncox - 366 days 5 hours ago

The fact is the Ps3 isn't gaining ground. That is a problem.
8 millions head start is still 8 million 2 years later.

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chrisnick - 366 days 5 hours ago

PS3 WILL SELL 9 MIL+........(AND I'M BOOKMARKING THIS POST SO I CAN SHOW U GUYS IN DECEMBER.)

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kevoncox - 366 days 5 hours ago

I must agree I saw a Sony commecial where they advertised their movie download system. It is something MS has yet to do. Sony needs a price drop. I purchased a Ps3 a few months ago and I can tell you that I see the potential you all see. It could be a great system but things about is just aren't right. I have been playing far cry 2 and I have yet to hear anyone use a mic. There is no sense of community with this game. I love tha tonline gaming is free but it seems to be more fun on my 360. I wager that most 360 players a bit more seasoned to online gaming than Sony players. The silence is deafinging online.

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eagle21 - 366 days 5 hours ago

700k in Japan, and "8 million" in Europe leaves 19+ million out here. If you think that 360 has sold 15 million in the USA you are wrong! C'mon wake up! The PSP is 43+ million and around 15 million in USA.

Let's debate this, shall we? :)

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Kigmal - 366 days 4 hours ago

28 million not bad. They surpassed Xbox 1 so that means they got some new Xbox owners that didn't get an Xbox last gen. Not bad at all. They got a sweet price point and nice catalog of games, they should continue support and advertise.

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Graphics Whore - 366 days 4 hours ago

I like how MS never clarifies whether it's shipped or sold, never providing approximate data.

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Traveler - 366 days 4 hours ago

All three console makers report 'shipped' numbers, nothing else.

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dktxx2 - 366 days 4 hours ago

Traveler, Sony reports sold to consumers. MS and Nintendo report shipped.

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Sony PlayStation 3 - 366 days 4 hours ago

The title is misspelled.

It's supposed to say ''360 Life-to-Death Numbers Hit 28 Million''

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Saint Sony - 366 days 4 hours ago

er.. so you think there is no 360 sales in anywhere else in this world. Yes, lets forget all the others, there can be only Japan, Europa and America.

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uxo22 - 366 days 4 hours ago

IF some nobody from nowhere proclaim that he did some research and his finding were that the 360 has only sold 20 mil to day, most of you non 360 fans would talk smack and call it the gosphel.

Now, a no sh!t representative from MS quotes 28 mil and all you can do is question where it's some to customer or sold to store. You're comparing how thing would have been had they released at the same time, blah blah etc.

It is what it is folks, don't get so worked up over it. With the exception of providing some fanboy some bragging rights, I really don't see why this is a big deal to you guys on both sides of the line.

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cmrbe - 366 days 3 hours ago

The thing is its not logical what they are claiming. Before the price cut and about 3 months ago the x360 was about 21 million worldwide. Are we to believe that in 2-3 months MS managed to sell at least 6 million x360?. Come on.

Also if we add all the figures from the 3 main reagions the x360 is nowhere near 28 million sold. 15 million in NA + .8 million in Japan + 8 million in EUrope+Africa+Middleast is only about 25 million.

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BLaZiN PRopHeT - 366 days 2 hours ago

The article already states that MS sold 5.5 million consoles from Oct-Dec. They have said multiple times that this was the Xbox divisions best quarter ever.

There are more places in the world that consoles are sold besides the ones you mentioned.

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Saigon - 366 days 2 hours ago

i have to agree with you...I forgot that just a few months ago MS did state 21 mil...so from that we can speculate they report shipped numbers...because the only way to reach 28 mil is to restock the supply chain...

also people sony has yet to report their numbers, MS is speculating 20 mil but sony might be higher or lower...with the 60% year over year increase I would expect higher, plus the fiscal year is not done yet anf KZ2, FF13, Y3, InFomous...have yet to release...

I expect sony to hit 22-24 mil for their life to date at the end of fiscal 2008...

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Zeevious - 366 days 2 hours ago

I'm not asking this to Fan Flames on any side, but because I've not seen a clear or accurate official acknowledgment from Microsoft in PR Statements...when referencing the Extended Warranty...or in Quarterly or Annual reports.

Does anyone know how this relates to the total console sales, as reported shipped to date? (or point me to a valid reference)

My best estimates are based solely on the $1.4 Billion set to address extended repair services per console. According to internal documents, iSuppli is evaluating a teardown of the newer 360. Without exact per-component figures, the cost-range per unit is an average below $200.

Even raising the amount to $200 per replacement unit, compared to the $1.4 Billion specifically for this issue of warranty claim places that amount at 7,000,000 - Seven Million Units.
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HOW ARE THESE REPLACED UNITS COUNTED?

Are they already deducted from the total...meaning Microsoft has manufactured 35-million units?

Are they included in the 28 million unit figure?

If so, should the actual number of consoles be reported as 21 million functional units?

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I'd like to know, because I've noticed some shipped VS. sold discrepancies, compared to major publishers console sales claims.
(I know there has been debate on "channel stuffing" & profit report variances between publishers)

Since it's important to consider the most accurate figures, shouldn't any number of consoles replaced be fully accounted for?

If anyone has any other references, please share them.

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uxo22 - 366 days 1 hour ago

I somewhat understand what you are saying, the problem I have with your theory is. Who are you getting your numbers from for the other regions, and are we to believe that their numbers are more accurate than Microsoft's?

Should we disgard the numbers that Sony or Nintendo put out and instead use numbers from third parties. The past quarter was huge for Microsoft. I don't know why that's so hard for you to believe.

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CHEF - 366 days 1 hour ago

Evening everyone. I periodically read people claim that Sony reports 'sold to consumer' numbers while Microsoft and Nintendo report 'shipped to (sold to) retailer numbers'. If this is true, how does Sony track the numbers? Do they keep track of all the thousands of retailers' PS3 sales? It seems like a lot of data to compile and the logistics of gathering all that info would be time consuming and probably expensive.
Help me understand.............

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Graphics Whore - 365 days 23 hours ago

If a 'for-profit' organization like NDP can get accurate data with a 5-6% leniency of error that I'm assuming a massive organization like Sony can get approximate estimates much like said company.

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SL1M DADDY - 365 days 19 hours ago

The Xbox 360 has sold 28 million units since November 2005. Doing the math, that puts the 360 at about 9.3 million units sold per year. Knowing that the Xbox 360 has sold more than 8 million units more than the PS3 tells me that the year head-start was a good thing for MS but in truth, only shows that they are about on par with units sold in comparison to a competitor console that released a year later. If you want to get nit-picky about it, MS should be about 9.3 million consoles further along than Sony but who's counting... right?

As an average:

PS3 sold an average of 10 million consoles per year
Xbox 360 sold an average of 9.3 million consoles per year.

Do the math before you disagree or prove yourself an idiot.

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vega75 - 365 days 18 hours ago

i hope your not new to this site. because you should know. that anything sony says. is true. like if sony tell you they sell to people not retailer.without anyway of tracking whats 'sold to consumer' and whats sitting on shelves. then it's true. yeah right.

yet MS and NIN count whats sold to retailers. because their the one's that sell the products and they reorder new stock when the 360 and wii run low.thats how MS/NINTY get there sales number.

unless consumers are buying these systems from the company themselves. they are reporting shipped numbers. INCLUDING SONY.

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Shadow Flare - 365 days 12 hours ago

.......tap,tap,tap...
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.....just totting up some calculations here....

...so 28 million sales...that means around 9 million rrod's? I would honestly love to see how much of that hardware "sold" was rrod replacements, or people buying new consoles due to rrod. Anyway, i'm glad i own the best bluray player on the market rather then the worst dvd player on the market

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morganfell - 365 days 12 hours ago

In the largest gaming territory- Europe - it wasn't a year head start. It was 16 months. And MS refuses to deny that they are including the replacement units as part of their numbers.

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Shadow Flare - 365 days 12 hours ago

That's actually the statistic i've found funniest. PS3 in europe launched 16 months after Box 360, and it's out sold it hasn't it? It certainly did before but it might be about level now. Which is hilarious considering ps3 launched 16 months after and has always been considerbly more expensive.

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 365 days 11 hours ago

I could spin that around and say, MS being the newest kid on the block and being able to catch up with the big boy Sony is doing great. The gap is widening!

Reality is that MS is weak in Europe and even weaker (or should I say practically dead) in Japan. We don't get any official numbers like NPD for Europe, but they are making strides over there.
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On another note, I read through the comments on the edge site and realized that this place is flocked with PS3 fanboys. Just read all the comments above me and compare it to Edge. I mean, comments on edge are much more balanced and to say a lot more mature.

Now click disagree if you agree with me and agree if you agree with me.

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JeffGUNZ - 365 days 11 hours ago

I guess Sony should start handing out PS3's to catch up a little bit.

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Tiberium - 365 days 10 hours ago

the software speaks for itself. 360 owners don't buy games if their console is being fixed. And 360 software crushed ps3 software this holiday season. LBP and R2 did horrible for the ps3's installed base. While gears 2 sold millions more than those games combined.

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Eiffel - 365 days 10 hours ago

They did advertise their home video sharing database.

I.E: Vista Home Premium + 360 Hook up.

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Shadow Flare - 365 days 10 hours ago

I believe that's because we had more choice of AAA games to choose from, and not just 'Gears 2'

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kewlkat007 - 365 days 9 hours ago

your comment #1.29 was kinda weak brah. You could do better than that lol

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The Killer - 365 days 9 hours ago

and out of 28 million there is 5-10 million dead consoles!

so that puts 360 to somewhere near 22 million unit sold by december's end!

as for ps3 i think its at 19-21 console sold! so the ps3 active consoles is pretty close to 360 active consoles!

if any idiot dont agree with these fact and believe MS lies then disagree with me!

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mint royale - 365 days 8 hours ago

they report shipped numbers exactly like nintendo and microsoft. All companies are the same there is absolutely no evidence to disprove this. Any evidence that people seem to give seems to just be a misinterpretation of statements. If the big 3 say they mean 'sold' we should interpret that as sold to retailers - it is the retailers who buy it off them. The level of stupidity on here is frightning at times.

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Jenzo - 365 days 8 hours ago

It's always "M$" who inflate their numbers isn't it? And Sony's numbers are always deflated right? Pathetic.

Why would Sony be more close to the truth? They couldn't even unveil the PS3 without lying through their teeth so why would their numbers, if anyones, be more accurate?

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BattleAxe - 365 days 7 hours ago

Take 33% of all those 28 million consoles for the failure rate and you get 9,240,000 defective consoles.

That means the PS3 is leading with 20,000,000 sold to XBOX's 18,760,000 consoles sold.

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mint royale - 365 days 7 hours ago

there is no point arguning with fanboys is there? Yes lets take over 9 million sales away so the ps3 is ahead. How many should we take off the ps2's total then? Just accept it. Are you saying that the RROD is still at 33%? What evidence is there to give any sort of figure in the first place?

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prowiew - 365 days 7 hours ago

damn. 28 millions is a lot. I cant even imagine how many wiis has been sold.

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mint royale - 365 days 7 hours ago

close to 50 million. The ps2 at the same timeframe was just passing 30 million for comparison. Ps3 will be just under 20 million, 8 million behind the 360 but ahead if launches are aligned.

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DaTruth - 365 days 7 hours ago

Microsoft sales data is PS3 news? Pro MS fanboys shouldn't be allowed to approve PS3 news. Is PC sales data PSP news?

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Rhoic - 365 days 3 hours ago

Ok first off.. how is it even possible for Sony to know how many consoles sell and how many don't at each electronic store they sell them at in the entire world? It doesn't seem possible.

I think that MS, Sony and Nintendo all do the exact same thing.

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NickIni - 364 days 15 hours ago

Blah blah blah. Sales don't matter.

Your all so pathetic. Defending a company's sales, which don't affect you in anyway.

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Breakfast - 366 days 5 hours ago

Same with Nintendo, the brand is growing strong again.

Im sure both companies are extremely happy with where theyre at right now.

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sak500 - 366 days 3 hours ago

Easy for you to say you have the SDF bible of excuses with you but they are getting the gaming crowd this gen. I never owned or played a single xbox game last gen, was purely PS2 gamer. Anyway if thats the case where are the PS's 120 million users who haven't touched ps3 yet?

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creeping judas - 365 days 12 hours ago

Nice to see you back breakfast!!

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rogimusprime - 366 days 4 hours ago

how many of those SHIPPED units are laying in the RROD gutter?

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darkride66 - 365 days 11 hours ago

The NPD has their samples and they guess the rest. The only official numbers come from the companies themselves because they're the only ones who actually know for sure what's going out the door. There isn't a huge retailer inventory database out there anywhere that tracks how many consoles are sold where. When consoles get shipped off to retailers they equal sold to retailers. No one is in the business of stock piling consoles so we can only assume that if retailers are ordering more they're selling them. Not only are the NPD not accountable to anyone, NPD data often is at odds with the official numbers.

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eagle21 - 366 days 5 hours ago

It's just getting started. I understand MS might announce a 720 in the next year, so yeah you need to evaluate your 360 purchase if sales is your only pride right now. :)

Please break it down by region. 700K in JP. "8 million" in EU. 19+ million please account for.

Hint: PSP is 43+ million launched in 2005 in America (around 15m in America like the Wii). I can't wait to hear your response.

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Traveler - 366 days 4 hours ago

Aside from the RROD problems, they have done very well this generation. The 360 is a very good console and its nice to see that it is doing so well.

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Capt CHAOS - 365 days 23 hours ago

People seem to forget that if it wasn't for Microsoft and it's drive with the xbox and xbox 360, gamers would still be stuck with the obsolete ps2..

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Aquanox - 365 days 20 hours ago

What is interesting is that never before, the gap between the two consoles have been that big. And excellent achievement considering their competitor was the king of the market past generation and was suppossed to catch up really fast after launch.

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GiantEnemyLobster - 365 days 9 hours ago

Wii: 45 million
Xbox 360: 28 million
PS3: 19 million lol, they haven't even hit 20 million and its been out over 2 years.

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goflyakite - 366 days 3 hours ago

Hahaha, bubbles for making me laugh so hard zhuk.
Just remember to put the '/sarcasm' next time.

ps: I was kidding about the bubbles.

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SaberEdge - 366 days 2 hours ago

As has been pointed out countless times, why would anybody buy a new console when their console is covered by a 3 year warranty and will be fixed for free?

That makes no sense, and to be honest, just comes off as an excuse.

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lil_krazzie - 365 days 11 hours ago

Because some people get disc read errors or scratch disc problems that the 3yr warranty doesnt cover. So you either send it in for whatever the price to fix, or buy an arcade for 199 and use your old HDD because you already have like 20+ games for it. That is why some people buy a new XBOX 360.

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meatnormous - 365 days 11 hours ago

Yeah I'm a dumbass that did just that. I bought one launch day, it broke 2 weeks later, took it back to walmart. Just before this last christmas I bought another so that is 2 consoles I bought. The 3 year warranty doesn't cover everything and most people like getting a new console with the HDMI, jasper, or just a good bundle. I can see 360 owners buying multiple consoles just because they get updated so often. I bought another just cause its 299.99 with 2 games. Gave the games to my nephew so its a win win. I have all three consoles, but I cannot believe I bought the Wii, just an impulse purchase.

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Tiberium - 365 days 10 hours ago

"vg charts is the most unreliable site ever."

Now since it says different than microsoft, they magically are reliable again. Think of that.

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LilMissGoddess - 364 days 22 hours ago

vg chartz are only reliable when ps3 is doing good...i have seen it SO many times from you people...lmao, u have got to be kidding me right sony fanboys?? WOW...amazing...never fails on here...

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METtAL-GAMER - 364 days 14 hours ago

Are you stupid or something?I said Sony sold 20 million consoles in 2 years so if it already happened how is it not gonna happen?Learn to read.That's all I have to say.

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