Should Xbox Live Be Free Like PSN?

P4KY B - 459 days 3 hours ago

:-)

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chaosatom - 459 days 2 hours ago

who never owned a 360 and know NOTHING about live.

So in order to attract new consumers, it'll will be better.

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nbsmatambo - 459 days 2 hours ago

yes..

that might have convinced me to get a 360 as well..

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princejb134 - 459 days 2 hours ago

thats whats holding me back to buy a 360
already have to pay for road runner internet, why pay a extra fee to play my games online also

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dro - 459 days 2 hours ago

yes it should be free, but we all know m$....they just love MONEY!! but u cant blame them, after all money makes the world go round.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 459 days 1 hour ago

Yes, tired of paying for a service I don't use as often as PC or PS3, which is free.

They need to restructure there buisness model so you pay for certain things but gaming online should be free IMO. MMO's excluded.

Charging for pics and themes is dirty 2. Should be ashamed really. tsk,tsk...

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IdleLeeSiuLung - 459 days 1 hour ago

Sony certainly has come closer to matching Xbox Live service competely free! I'm all for Sony's dedicated servers and free online play. However, one must ask how long Sony can continue to provide all this for free while bleeding money. The service has to be funded somehow and Sony isn't doing this just for goodwill.

I think Nintendo mentioned something about chargig for their online service as well. I must admit that I don't remember exactly what it was all about.

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znu - 459 days 1 hour ago

but does live count days u don't play online

cause if it does i'd rather have PSN than live

PSN is slightly inferior to live but PSN is also free

The only aspects of PSN i don't like, is that its missing in-game audio chat so i can talk to my friends while playing cod4 and not the entire room

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crimsonfox - 459 days 1 hour ago

since my ps3 got the yellow light i have been playing live on my brothers 360 and my friends got me a live account crims0nf0x but i cant believe you guys all pay for that laggy service all i play is halo3 and gta and they lag like nothing i have ever seen warhawk has little to no lag and thats in full games 32 people and halo lags for everything and i wouldn't pay for it myself

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bouncybullet - 459 days ago

Hey Crimson.

Thats your internet connection.

NO.
Live shouldn't be free.
But I wouldn't mind if it was cheaper.

1. PSN is free because it had to be. It's reputation demands it.
2. PSN had nothing at the start, but to compete with LIVE copied all of LIVE's features: Store, Video store, Trophies.
3. LIVE is getting even more features this holiday.
4. PSN will probably copy some of them next year.

5. Without money, the full LIVE experience wouldn't have ever existed. Live would never have had all the great features that the PS3 copied.

6. PS3 wouldn't have anything to offer other than free online gaming if it wasn't for Xbox owners paying for LIVE.

I love slapping people in the face with reality.
But, I can't stand ignorant people who think everything should be free.
Thats not how the world works.

8. If PSN wasn't free, Home would've been launched a year ago.

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shovelbum - 459 days ago

No it should not be free. It is an amazing service and gamers should not be so damn whiny. As soon as PSN is up to par, it probably won't be free either. PSN does some things right but you just can't seriously compare the two when it comes to the online community. I do think that, just like games, it is overpriced however and charging for themes is a freaking joke.

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badz149 - 459 days ago

is just plain DUMB! why wouldn't anybody wants LIVE to be free, fanboys or not, both included! it's more or less like rejecting free gasoline for your car!

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IDemonstalkerXI - 459 days ago

We are paying for a service that has no mod support. That in itself is evil IMO. XNA Membership pricing is outrageous IMO too. I whine but I been paying since 2005 and recognize money going out the window.

Once PSN/PS3 gets Screencapture feature and Home, PlayTV I might drop XBL Gold and go silver. I keep saying that but I still pay because I do like the options.

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jaysquared - 459 days ago

This is the beauty of competition! PS3 fans have XBL to thank for Sony stepping up to the plate and offereing a better online service this gen. Xbox fans have Sony to thank for stepping up to the plate which makes MS ante it up some more. The question I have is who will eventually crumble.. Will M$ drop the price for Live or will Sony end up having to charge for PSN to help offset the cost that they have put in for updates, home and such..

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gunnerheadboy - 458 days 23 hours ago

I'd love for it to be free. I don't see how it's superior than the PSN. I just enjoy the cross game chat.

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RemmM - 458 days 23 hours ago

X Box Live users should only pay for DLC. But that's just my opinion.

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beoulve - 458 days 22 hours ago

XBOX sales will increase quite significantly if Live went free.
it's a good thing for everybody. I don't know why people want to pay money for it.

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ape007 - 458 days 21 hours ago

xbox live has some great features that psn doesn't

when you look on your friend list or players met list in psn,there's no"join session in progress" or "your friend wants to playt",both of these features makes life easier and also,in live,not only you can see what your friend is playing but also see the specific place he's in, watching video or browsing dashboard or playing single player or playing online team deathmatch(and even shows you the level name) and also it shows you everything you need to know,like if that game is full or not and also shows you the RECENT achievements,and one problem in psn,when you view your trophies,it takes so much time to show the card or even comparing trophies with friends

if sony adds these things in future fm updates,psn sure is the winner,cause it's free

xbox live has a BIG problem,I have 4 accounts on my 360,the live membership only works for ONE account,everyone else can't play online

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DavidMacDougall - 459 days 3 hours ago

ill tell you a reason its to big a loss to take sinse there xboxs are cheap now the only real income would be the $50 a year gamer tax that comes in every year

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HighDefinition - 459 days 3 hours ago

"gamer tax"

LOL.

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meepmoopmeep - 459 days 2 hours ago

gamer tax, lmao.

hehe.

i think it should be free.

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Why o why - 459 days ago

ha ha

u win

Being free is one of psn's advantages believe it or do . I hope they keep charging for live especially to all the guys who WANT to but i wish it were free for my friends and family who have enough bills to pay for without having to pay a "gamer tax". Dont tell me that MMO crap because that is a lame reason to charge. Some people act like they care about where MS's money goes. Let them rott in their "gamer tax" HELL (friends n family not included)

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thebudgetgamer - 458 days 18 hours ago

but when people fight to pay for it that just stupid so you really want to pay for even if you didnt have to?
crazy

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HighDefinition - 459 days 3 hours ago

Well put.

Thank you.

Bubble.

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juuken - 459 days 2 hours ago

Common sense should be your middle name.
A bubble for you as well.

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dan-boy - 459 days 1 hour ago

aint you normally sniffing morganfells 8rse?? he wasn't around so you latched on to the other fanboy loser HD!

another week, another rehashed article about live....i also noticed the old faithful rrod thread, and a good ol sony fanboy pat-on-the-back we dont need the ps4 yet. laughable really. and it never ceases to amaze me how many times you see the same sony fanboys spewing the same sad rubbish.

no life losers perhaps??

i've had live for four years and have never questioned £3+ a month. you losers hate microsoft, but still turn up in droves to talk rubbish. why aint you all in the lovely ps3 threads?

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Mr Bun - 459 days 1 hour ago

It's funny how your first sentence has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and even funnier how your "fanboy" comment accuses High Def and Juuken of being exactly that. You managed to insult 3 people in the first 2 lines...My only question is how do you have more than 1 bubble?

If you had actually looked, you would have noticed that this is posted in the PS3 area as well.

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Sitdown - 459 days 1 hour ago

you forgot to highlight that in regions everybody has access to demos on day one of them being released....having my LIVE account expire back in July, and not having made the decision to renew it so far......I was unpleasantly surprised when I tried to download NBA2K only to find out that my silver account did not make me special enough....needless to say, I switched on the ps3 and got the demo. It was interesting, because some things never hit home...until it actually hits home.

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Why o why - 459 days ago

Another winning comment. bubble

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player911 - 459 days ago

I own a 360 and here is my way of seeing things.

With LIVE service, I feel that the extra abilities are worth the minuscule amount I pay a year. I usually get my 13month subscription for like $25-$30 bucks. I feel that it is money well spent for the benefits I receive.

Now would I'd rather get that same service for free? No doubt.

Either Microsoft has to come off and lower their service, or Sony will get PSN to a point where they feel they can charge for theirs. The gap beween both services are getting smaller and if PSN stays free, which I probably will, then MS will have to choice to stay competitive and lower the price of XBL.

MS is losing its edge over PSN very quickly and can no longer justify charging $50-$60 while its equal counterpart is free.

I think we'll see a price drop before Christmas. The Arcade is $200. You shouldn't have to spend a quarter of the console price to get online.

And MS, if you're listening, include a browser would ya!

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HighDefinition - 458 days 23 hours ago

Dan-boy..........

How are you gonna say Juuken FOLLOWS me, YOU follow me more than anyone!!!!

You get SOOO mad, it really is PATHETIC!!!!

Peace, until then NEXT time you REPLY to me.

LOL.

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UltimateIdiot911 - 459 days 2 hours ago

Lol, that's what xbox360 is all about. You lure in consumer with a cheap console and then slam them with overprice accessories and services. Need a harddrive, fork over for MS overprice harddrive. Need online play, pay $50. (the sad part is, the DLC is the same price on PSN) Need wifi, more money.
At least with the PS3, it's basically an all in one package. All you need is in there. HDMI can easily be bought for $3-4 dollars. Monoprice, people, Monoprice.

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thebudgetgamer - 458 days 18 hours ago

you still have to watch burger king ads

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DavidMacDougall - 459 days 2 hours ago

They need that money to buy DLC ....instead of new games? Thats stupid

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green - 459 days 2 hours ago

Why does it bother you that people pay for live?You don't even own a 360.

Why does it bother you that you don't see value in something that millions of other gamer see value in and are even willing to shell out money on.

Let it go, enjoy your free PSN because i sure as hell am enjoying my paid for XBL.

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juuken - 459 days 2 hours ago

"Why does it bother you that people pay for live?You don't even own a 360."

Why does my comment bother you? Did it rattle a few nerves? My brother owns a 360 so I play on it sometimes. That's why I made those comments thank you very much.

"Why does it bother you that you don't see value in something that millions of other gamer see value in and are even willing to shell out money on."

Why does it bother you that in bad economic times like this, there is no reason why a consumer should have to pay to play online and on top of that pay for the service provider as well?

XBL may be a great service (seen it in person and it's nice looking) but it should be free. I mean, you pay for the console, you pay for the games, you pay for the extra tidbits you want to pay for and on top of that you must pay for online if you want to experience the 360 in it's fullest?

That's just ridiculous.

"Let it go, enjoy your free PSN because i sure as hell am enjoying my paid for XBL."

No, you let it go first. I have something called an *opinion*. I'm enjoying my free PSN because I'm in the Little Big Planet Beta, I'm about to get a kick ass game soon (Wipeout HD), and there's more games to come that are new and *refreshing*.

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"Typical Juuken.You ask her a question and she responds with such anger."

Respond with what anger exactly? I'm giving you a logical reason as to why I think you're wrong.

"So we can both agree that the economy is not so great,so why don't you applaud Microsoft for making it easier for people to enter HD gaming by cutting the price of the console by as much as 70 dollars in the US and 30pounds in the UK pre credit crunch and another 30 pounds last month."

Because the system still has flaws green. If the 360 was more reliable and Microsoft had cut the price, I would have applauded that. Heck, I would have own a 360 by now. But I feel sorry for the people who will unknowingly buy a console that still has glaring flaws within it's architecture.

"Why did you call it a sign of desperation?"

Because the PS3 is still outselling it. If you examine a major retailer (Amazon) for instance, the 80gb PS3 is still in the top ten.

"After all it was selling as well as the PS3 in some territories and even NPD figures showed that it outsold the PS3 in august pre price cut."

Yes, and that's only three months. The PS3 outsold it for five months so far.

"Why don't you criticize Sony for not dropping the price of the PS3 during a time when the economy is so bad?"

Because Sony doesn't need to drop the price. Even though the PS3 is still expensive, it's still selling pretty well. You never know-the economy will probably get much better.

"Back in may when you used to troll 360 articles, your excuse was that you like NG2 and wanted to get a 360.5 months have passed and still no 360 and a new excuse has resurfaced."

Troll the 360 articles. My, my, my...the way people throw around that word these days. In truth, I WAS going to get a 360. I like to play games, no matter which system it's on. But I refuse to buy a console with faulty hardware. I do not have patience for something like that happening to me and therefore I do not like taking chances with my money.

That's why I'm getting a Wii, a DS, and a PSP instead.

The faulty hardware keeps me from buying one dear. Don't jump to conclusions until you've seen my profile.

It's been close to three years already and Microsoft still has not fixed the RROD.

"In life, the happiest people never critisize others because they are to busy basking in the happiness their life is offering them."

And you are here criticizing me and calling me a troll.

Follow your own advice.

"Are you sure you are really happy with your PS3?"

Yes I am.

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green - 459 days 1 hour ago

Typical Juuken.You ask her a question and she responds with such anger.

So we can both agree that the economy is not so great,so why don't you applaud Microsoft for making it easier for people to enter HD gaming by cutting the price of the console by as much as 70 dollars in the US and 30pounds in the UK pre credit crunch and another 30 pounds last month.Why did you call it a sign of desperation?After all it was selling as well as the PS3 in some territories and even NPD figures showed that it outsold the PS3 in august pre price cut.

Why don't you criticize Sony for not dropping the price of the PS3 during a time when the economy is so bad?

Back in may when you used to troll 360 articles, your excuse was that you like NG2 and wanted to get a 360.5 months have passed and still no 360 and a new excuse has resurfaced.

In life, the happiest people never criticize others because they are to busy basking in the happiness their life is offering them.

Are you sure you are really happy with your PS3?

EDIT: lol at RROD.Please do you know a single person that bought a 360 got the RROD and actually paid for it to be repaired?

You have heard about the revisions to the motherboard called OPUS,the revised cpu FALCON, the upcoming smaller gpu JASPER and the overall gpu,cpu and motherboard revision for 09 called VALHALLA.Are those not revisions in making it more reliable?

You know for a fact that it's not as bad as before but you choose to ignore that fact.

The truth is that if it was Sony's PS3 that was the 360 with the RROD and Sony carried out the exact same measures that Microsoft is carrying out.You would all be hailing Sony as a loving caring company that puts the consumer 1st.

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MetalProxy - 459 days 1 hour ago

having fun attacking Juuken? She did strike a nerve LOL.

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juuken - 459 days 1 hour ago

Oh green...I shake my head sadly at you.

"lol at RROD.Please do you know a single person that bought a 360 got the RROD and actually paid for it to be repaired?"

I'm aware of the fact that Microsoft offers the repairs for free. But I have also heard of someone receiving a broken console even though it was said to be fixed. Or waiting such a long time for the system to come back to their homes.

Unless, of course you think they're making that up?

"You have heard about the revisions to the motherboard called OPUS,the revised cpu FALCON, the upcoming smaller gpu JASPER and the overall gpu,cpu and motherboard revision for 09 called VALHALLA.Are those not revisions in making it more reliable?"

...Yes, and if the system is more reliable by then, I'll buy one. For now, I'm fine with my Ps3.

Microsoft had plenty of revisions and yet the problem isn't completely gone. I wonder what would have happened if they actually managed to cover the whole thing up?

"You know for a fact that it's not as bad as before but you choose to ignore that fact."

You used fact twice in one sentence. xD

That was funny.

I didn't imply it didn't get better. But I'm still cautious. I'm a consumer. I have a right to be cautious in how I spend my money. :)

"The truth is that if it was Sony's PS3 that was the 360 with the RROD and Sony carried out the exact same measures that Microsoft is carrying out.You would all be hailing Sony as a loving caring company that puts the consumer 1st."

No...we wouldn't.

PS3 owners would have criticized Sony for the same exact thing. And even then, I wouldn't have touched a PS3 with a ten foot pole if it had a problem like that.

What part of 'I like to spend my money wisely' did you not understand? o_o;

I would have bought the Wii instead if the PS3 had problems like that. But thankfully Sony is a good hardware company with low failure rates and they know what they're doing when it comes to hardware.

I'm also pretty sure that 360 owners would jump down the throats of PS3 owners if the PS3 had the RROD instead.

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Why o why - 459 days ago

yep, you struck a nerve.....lol

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bomboclaat_gamer - 458 days 22 hours ago

these dude carrying on like its life and death. just a game. oh boy. i bet most of u on here are probably in ur teens

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juuken - 458 days 21 hours ago

Never implied that all corporations didn't seek the dinero. But Mirosoft wants it more. :)

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Internet Trolling Expert - 459 days 1 hour ago

If you want a LBP Beta code I'm willing to give you my friends code(he wont get a chance to get in the beta since he went away for his honeymoon)in exchange for a Killzone 2 beta code/game share

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 458 days 21 hours ago

...exist in Micro$ofts World!!! Pay 2 Play??? ;-D
What MUGS!!! ;-D

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PirateThom - 459 days 2 hours ago

We don't think we're superior by playing on PSN, but there's a smug satisfaction knowing people will pay Microsoft for the same things we have for free.

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juuken - 459 days 1 hour ago

But 360 owners acted all superior with XBL! =o

'YEAH, WE PAY $50.00 A YEAR BECAUSE OUR SERVICE IS SO SUPERIOOOOOORZ!'

Oh please.

You morons like to dish sh*t out and yet you can't take the sh*t you dished out on PS3 owners every five seconds.

PSN will always have that small advantage over XBL.

IT'S FREE.

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bouncybullet - 459 days ago

I love knowing that paying for LIVE made all those great features that it offered long before Sony, magically appear on PS3.

It's beautiful.

1. PSN is free because it had to be. It's reputation demands it.
2. PSN had nothing at the start, but to compete with LIVE copied all of LIVE's features: Store, Video store, Trophies.
3. LIVE is getting even more features this holiday.
4. PSN will probably copy some of them next year.

5. Without money, the full LIVE experience wouldn't have ever existed. Live would never have had all the great features that the PS3 copied.

6. PS3 wouldn't have anything to offer other than free online gaming if it wasn't for Xbox owners paying for LIVE.

I love slapping people in the face with reality.
But, I can't stand ignorant people who think everything should be free.
Thats not how the world works.

8. If PSN wasn't free, Home would've been launched a year ago.

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gunnerheadboy - 458 days 23 hours ago

How is LIVE superior? The only thing missing on the PSN is cross-game chat. But PSN well get it soon. I play on both almost equally and enjoy the PSN more as I don't have to hear a bunch of 12 year olds telling me apparently that they did my mother last night.

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cereal_killa - 458 days 23 hours ago

@bouncybullet

Stop ignoring the fact that LIVE made your NEW PSN experience possible.
I love knowing that paying for LIVE made all those great features that it offered long before Sony, magically appear on PS3.

I posted this in the game zone.

I find it funny in other articles about this being to much and this doing that I see allot of 360 fanboys ranting about if it wasn't for the 360 doing this the PS3 would still be this or wouldn't have this support but now the tables are turned and PSN is free but M$ still charges $60 (Canada) you defend it like there's no tomorrow personally I find it funny when people also say that when a game is also on the PC they say 360 + PC = M$ but why is it that the PC doesn't charge to play the same games that are on the 360 ie. Gears and Halo but you still defend paying money very ironic!

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juuken - 458 days 16 hours ago

"What, is $4 a month too much for you? Get a job...It seems like a lot when you mention the cost per year, yet it's a tiny amount per month. But hey, I shouldn't expect you to understand simple math with your simple female brain."

1. Go f*ck yourself. Male chauvinist pig.

2. I didn't expect you would even know the value of money. Why should any smart consumer have to buy the console, then the games, pay for their internet service provider, and then pay for online when games are supposed to be about having fun and not worrying about paying? The point is that it should be FREE. Even a few 360 owners complained about the price and said it should be free.

Blind ass moron.

Pssh, like you're any smarter. -___-

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morganfell - 458 days 15 hours ago

Stop ignoring the fact that the Playstation made the Xbox possible.

I love it when juuken swings her mental and verbal bat. Home run every time.

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PirateThom - 459 days 2 hours ago

Some people buy bottled water because they "think" they can taste a difference.

The key here is "think", but bottled water is just filtered tap water with a lable slapped on it.

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heyheyhey - 459 days 2 hours ago

why pay for bottled water when you can just filter your tap water and drink that??

same result, no cost- yet people insist on paying for bottled water

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juuken - 459 days 1 hour ago

You failed with the water logic. :/

heyheyhey said it best.

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Patchstation 3 - 459 days 1 hour ago

Don't the filters cost money too?

Either way you're still paying for that filtered water...The point is, people will always buy what they think is better. No-one wants to spend money on crap.

If you had a fee for PSN, do you actually think gamers would pay it? This is where Live and PSN differs...No-one wants to pay for PSN because it is trash.

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PirateThom - 459 days 1 hour ago

I wouldn't pay for Live either, thus, by your logic, it's trash.

I have Gold at the moment, because a friend paid for it to play me online, I don't see why, when given the choice between two comparable services, I would pay £40 ($80) for it. That's the price of a game, I play games, I want more games, not money spent on online services.

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juuken - 459 days 1 hour ago

Microsoft should either make the service free or lower the damn price.

That's the way it is.

EDIT: Um...Patchstation, while you're paying $50.00 a year, other people around the world pay for $60.00 a year or more.

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Patchstation 3 - 459 days 1 hour ago

I don't know where your from but Live is only $50 per year where I live...I pay way more on my Cell phone, Internet, Cable, Gas, ect... a year.

Live is a great service and I had it since launch and I played PSN before. But between you and me I would not trade Live for PSN.

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PirateThom - 459 days 1 hour ago

I'm from the UK. I pay alot more for everything.

I agree, Live is a good service, but I don't play online enough to warrant the cost.

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gunnerheadboy - 458 days 23 hours ago

Mr.Ediot aka patchstation 3. You say people buy bottled water so they can put them in the fridge. I'm happy to say that I have big water bottles that I refill with my filtered tap water. Bottled water isn't any better than tap water.

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ambientFLIER - 458 days 16 hours ago

I have a better analogy. Antenna TV is free. Why do millions of people subscribe to satellite and cable?

Juken: "Microsoft should either make the service free or lower the damn price"

What, is $4 a month too much for you? Get a job...It seems like a lot when you mention the cost per year, yet it's a tiny amount per month. But hey, I shouldn't expect you to understand simple math with your simple female brain.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 459 days ago

Please explain how? the ONLY difference i can find between the two is cross game invites..

wow...

Doesn't even matter since every game has a friend invite system anyways.

Atleast PSN has a amazing downloadable games.Full games even! not that 80's retro arcade sh!t on XBL.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 459 days ago

How is it better? seriously?? you don't even know.I bet you've never even turned on a PS3 before.You just keep spewing out the same o'l bullsh!t.

Unlike you i own BOTH console.(gave away the wii tho..)
And there is No difference what-so-ever."crikets in the backround"

I call bullsh!t on that too.Play any game on BF:3,Warhawk,COD4,Resistance,M etal gear online,SOCOM There's always people talking.

Hell,even GTAIV and GH3 i always get into conversations with people.
You don't know sh!t.

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air1 - 459 days 1 hour ago

since psn is free i guess that makes it ok when mgs4 tourney had to be cancled cause it couldnt handle it but hey its free right

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 459 days ago

Holy f*ck air..you are seriously brain dead..

Metal gear online.Is hosted on KONAMI's SERVERS.NOT PSN.
Konami made it very clear they want to use there own service.

Since Sony is cool about that it's no problem.
It's just another reason you'll never see MGS4 on 360.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 458 days 23 hours ago

You are without a doubt the dumbest kid on this site.Wow.

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