Pure boss: Colour difference between 360 and PS3 is comparable to a "good LCD from a Plasma"

Nate Frog - 467 days 18 hours ago

After E3 2005, I expected the PS3 to be miles ahead of the 360. But E3 '06, it was obvious that sony had bs'ed everyone. The PS3 has finally came into it's own and generally performs on par with the 360. But it definately isn't doing anything the 360 can't do, and I personally don't think it ever will. Anyone that tells people otherwise is brainwashed fool.

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Drekken - 467 days 18 hours ago

Nate why would a dev put extra work into the PS3 to make multiplats look better???? Let the exclusives do the talking.

You are a blind bat if you think Sony's machine isnt more powerful.

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SeanScythe - 467 days 18 hours ago

@ Nate
I haven't seen the 360 pull off anything like Uncharted, MGS4 or Motorstorm.... Let alone LBP, Killzone 2 or the shear scale of R2.

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ericnellie - 467 days 18 hours ago

If you need to describe a game as being better by using the words "softer colors" you're better off being a interior decorator than a gamer. I just can't believe that these comparisons are still going on - it's like beating a dead horse!

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Anton Chigurh - 467 days 18 hours ago

hey buddy
you should see Call of Juarez , that game can beat anything in terms of graphics expect for crysis

http://www.n4g.com/News-463...

I would really like to see ther next game which is Warhound

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lowcarb - 467 days 17 hours ago

Drekken: developers put extra work into Xbox games and they always looked better. Also exlcusives are not the way to judge the more powerful console because we will never know if it is possible on the other. Even Kojima said MGS4 was possible on 360 while Epic said GEOW was not possible on PS3.

edit 1.3 Sean: Kojima said MGS4 was possible on 360 and Uncharted didn't look better then Gears and is to this day debatable. I've played them both and the few good looking parts in uncharted don't look as good to me as Gears and reviews. Also the PS3 is suppose to be light years ahead of 360 so how is it ahead when everygame you mentioned can be done on 360. Shear scale my azz lol....Sony fans are a delusional bunch already setting themselves up for a big disappointment.

Edit 1.5 anton: Good point and one they have all seem to have forgotten.

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Nate Frog - 467 days 16 hours ago

Guys if you think the PS3 has ANYTHING that isn't possible on 360, you are fooling yourself. I've seen plenty of games multi-plat and exclusive that rival anything exclusive to the PS3.
Bioshock
COD4
Mass Effect
GTAIV
Gears of War
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter
R6:V
Pure
Grid
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Condemned
Kameo
DMC4
Prey

You guys need to wipe the fanboyism out of your eyes. No one except PS3 fanboys think the PS3 is doing more graphically than 360.

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Immaculate - 467 days 16 hours ago

I had a ps3 up until Christmas, and I haven't seen it do anything the 360 hasn't already done. The ps3 doesn't live up to the hype that was around it, that's for sure.

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ShinGino - 467 days 15 hours ago

Burnout Paradise, SW: Force Unleashed, and soon Mirror's Edge.

THEY ALL LOOK AND RUN BETTER ON PS3.

PURE is just bad porting, period.

Besides, the problem with Pure, like other games, is that the HDMI range was not set to "FULL". And that has been proven over and over.
It's no different with this again.

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SlippyMadFrog - 467 days 15 hours ago

So thats 2 out of how many multiplats (mirrors edge not yet released)? lol, When will you fools learn that IT DOESN'T MATTER. If you just own the PS3, who cares how it looks on the Xbox360. You need to compare them side by side to spot a difference anyway. Just get both consoles and all this silliness will disappear.

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Neo Geo - 467 days 14 hours ago

I like my PS3, but I agree with Nate Frog. My PS3 hasn't wowed me anymore graphically than my 360.

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deeznuts - 467 days 13 hours ago

Nate Frog, funny you mentioned Gears and Mass Effect. Both which are exclusive (console wise) and both had some loading and pop in problems. Mass Effect was so bad the PC version "fixed" it.

I own all consoles, so I don't care, but don't put those games out there. Both very fun games though.

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MNicholas - 467 days 8 hours ago

It comes down to two factors.

1) Unlike the PS3, which has hardware HDR (FP16 high dynamic range) the 360 does not. It only supports FP10 output, which is MDR (medium dynamic range).

2) Because the 360 does not have true HDR output, it's output chip alters the output to sort of compensate for the lack of dynamic range, kind of how and upscale chip compensates for a DVD's poor resolution.

In particular it takes an average of the brightness of the image then biases darker areas towards black so that the brighter parts of the screen have more pop while causing the darker parts of the screen to become too dark and loose detail. While overall it reduces the detail displayed rather significantly (for example dark colors simply show up as black rather than show a lot of detail differences and gradual transition), it does reduce the chances of banding and other artifacts in brighter areas of the screen.

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nieto - 467 days 5 hours ago

come on Nate Frog almost all of those games look generic, neither of those are at the graphics quality of Uncharted, MGS4 or Heavenly Sword. Gears and Bioshock are the only games that are on par with ps3 exclusives and if you been around n4g this past weeks you would know that the Bioshock ps3 version it's superior to the one on the x360.

if you weren't so blind with fanboyism you would had read the article before starting to rant about stupid things. the developers of pure say that they don't know how to use the ps3 as well as the x360 besides you should try the MotorStorm PF demo that is on quore to see that it looks a lot better than Pure with your own eyes.

you're the type of fanboy that can't accept the true. i'm sure that when killzone 2 comes out even if in every review everybody says that the graphics are incredible you're going to say that Gears 2 looked better or some other stupid sh1t.

i accept that i'm a fanboy but i try to be unbiased when i talk in the gamer zone but i talk sh1t in the open zone for fun and i could say that all of your comments are open zone material if you know what i mean.

you're arguing about the colors for christ sake!
you want pretty colors on the PS3? play Ratchet & Clank ToD. that game it's not only pretty color it has one of the best graphics in this gen and it's quite fun too but you're way too blind to see beyond your nose.

how's my english? i think i'm improving... ;-D

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f789790 - 467 days 5 hours ago

They need to beat a dead horse or else they would start beating each other directly. (which has happened I'm sure)

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Dareaver1 - 467 days 4 hours ago

the 360 can do fp16, be sure to fully explore the information you attain from the web.

The "Special" FP10 HDR mode is basically free as it has the same performance and memory metrics as the standard FP8 mode and as the 4xFSAA is also basically free then in that context... yes XENOS provides "Free" HDR + 4xFSAA. There are certain limitations to that special FP10 HDR mode... but... developers have a lot of options to which mode they can use.

Going to simplify this... FP8 is what is standard today and is the baseline for performance and memory usage, the standard FP10 mode has a small hit to performance and requires a bit more memory storage. The standard FP16 mode has an significant hit to performance and requires quite a bit more memory storage. The "Special" FP10 mode on XENOS allows for the benefits of FP10, but with restrictions on the alpha channel (transparency) with the same performance and memory storage as the standard FP8 mode. Additionally... XENOS can perform all of these modes with FSAA active unlike the Geforce 7800/RSX which can not (it can do FSAA or it can do HDR, but not both at the same time).

It's up to the developer what is going to be used and each mode has advantages and disadvantages... again part of XENOS's flexibility.

the 360 can do fp16, it's up to the developers to use it, because there are performance hits when using it.

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Some_One_Plays - 467 days 3 hours ago

This is interesting, but there are more PlayStation 3 games running at 1080p at 60fps than the XBOX 360 games. Having a higher resolution means higher textures like seen in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Actually there are hardly any 720p XBOX 360 games and no retail XBOX 360 games run at 1080p. I'm pretty sure the downloadable games can go up to 1080p, but Microsoft at launch didn't make the console full HD (High Definition). You can tell by the main menu screen for each console on a SD (Standard Definition) TV, the XBOX 360 doesn't change.

I bought an HDTV for HD gaming and Sony exclusives run at least 720p if not 1080p, download or physical. Plus with 50GB of data that should tell you alone what each can or can't handle. Even if specs. are the same the media disc holds more and the console itself pushes more polygons (HD resolution). That's why I think the Original XBOX didn't make much of an impact with better tech, both machines ran on the same media format (DVD9). A 8.54GB Grand Theft Auto (GTA) (PS2) is a 8.54GB GTA (XBOX), but a 50GB GTA (PS3) is significantly different than a 8.54GB GTA (360). With the combination of both makes PlayStation 3 exclusives look better, is my theory.

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MNicholas - 466 days 20 hours ago

1) Trying FP16 on the 360 is like forcing a square peg through a round hole. The architecture is simply not designed for it.

2) FP16 is easy on the PS3. True, hardware AA is taken out of the equation when FP16 is enabled but at 1080P no one cares about AA anyway. Furthermore, many games on current platforms (including many prominent Xbox360 titles), don't even use regular AA, they use a modified motion blur.

3) You wrote: "yes XENOS provides "Free" HDR + 4xFSAA" This is complete and utter nonsense and has been proven so by actual 360 developers who've publically contradicted this claim (a broken promise by Microsoft) on forums like Beyond3d as well as in conversations with journalists. It's because it's not "free" that so many 360 games do not have HD resolution, HDR, or 4xFSAA.

4) FP8 to FP10 is a small jump. FP10 (Xbox360) to FP16 (PS3) is a huge leap in quality. What's more, the raw pixel shader power of the PS3 enables new kinds of HDR such as that used by Heavenly Sword.

5) For an idea of where console graphics are going (and 360 won't be able to follow) check out Eurogamer's review of WipeoutHD which runs at 1080P & 60fps. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Quote from Eurogamer:

"WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied. Before the usual suspects scamper off to post a comment, with their PS3lols at the ready, perhaps I should clarify. WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied because the crisp 1080p visuals and rock solid 60fps presentation have made me realise just how compromised the Great HD Gaming Revolution has been.

We've become so accustomed to accepting 720p resolutions and mostly stable 30fps frame rates as the best we can expect that when something really does take full advantage of the display technology available, it can't help make everything else look like a half measure.

In other words, WipEout HD looks f**king phenomenal."

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boodybandit - 467 days 18 hours ago

I will pick up Pure used or cheap off of an online auction (Amazon or eBay). It's not a full price purchase title for me. It reminds me of SSX (which I loved) on ATV's but with less tricks.

It's a decent looking and fun arcade game but it's not "appear" to have enough depth / longevity to it. Then again I will try to keep an open mind and wait for some user reviews and opinions to be sure.

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KingME - 467 days 17 hours ago

Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, but please describe the depth in Motostorm.

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Jenzo - 467 days 15 hours ago

Motorstorm doesn't even have vehicle customization lol! It's as deep as Sega Rally, except Sega Rally had good driving mechanics.

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Calvin_ISA - 467 days 6 hours ago

You can choose more than just ATVs. :) Example: SUNDAY!! SUNDAY!! SUNDAAAAAAY!!! MONSTER TRUCKS!!!!!!!

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PirateThom - 467 days 17 hours ago

Gears may "look" better, but the engine also does a lot less. AI, number of NPCs at once, particle effects, etc

Gears looks good because it doesn't really do a lot, I mentioned this with Uncharted as well. Gears and Uncharted are comparable, but Uncharted's engine does more (see, water effects - Gears has none, even in the rain levels, characters don't look "wet").

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IaMs12 - 467 days 5 hours ago

True Gears 1 had some issues, but none the less was good looking and fun, but wait Gears 2 is suppose to have a lot more on the screen and doing more and have same graphics if not better looking with destructable enviroments... thats all suppose to lol true? i hope so

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PepeK - 466 days 20 hours ago

gears of war looks very good (one of the best this gen) but physics are mediocre, dead bodies move like balloons and the way they fall just feels unnatural, hope gow2 solves this.

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Mc187 - 467 days 11 hours ago

I think you called it PS3 owners want motorstorm so there will be less Pure bought for our console.
Then 360 folk will be like " we bought more copies of Pure" and PS3 owners will say "....................... " because we will be too busy with Motorstorm 2.

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Close_Second - 467 days 16 hours ago

...another controller just so I could have two for playing Bionic Commando Rearmed. Two player BC is fantastic! I just wish Capcom's other recent release, 1942, was as good.

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LinuxGuru - 467 days 15 hours ago

Well, if you've had a 360 for a couple years, add 100 dollars, plus the cost of any recharge packs, batteries, upgraded HDD, 100-dollar wireless adapter...

So once again, how much was your 360 investment, counting all that?

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aiphanes - 467 days 5 hours ago

Can xbox live do 60 players online with no lag? Can it do 250 players online with not lag?

Why is xbox live not free since microsoft has a lot of money, its not like they are broke. I am just saying...you still have to factor in that yearly cost for the Xbox 360...I think that is really holding the casuals back. And everybody knows the new $199 Xbox 360 needs a a harddrive and not every body has a internet connection port located next to their 60 inch plasma. Most people use wireless. The Xbox 360 should have wireless built in Wireless G is fast enough to get online...nobody has a 54meg internet connection yet. Also the PS3 has gigibit ethernet vs the 100 meg ethernet on the Xbox 360.

Both systems are good in the end.

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DaTruth - 467 days 7 hours ago

Wow, you're so different than them.

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n4gzz - 467 days 18 hours ago

good for you. Too many consoles for kids are not good. Focus on your study.

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ShinGino - 467 days 16 hours ago

Last time I checked, it was only due to the HDMI range on the PS3 not being set to "FULL".

And every other game out there with the same problem, has been proven otherwise over and over.

This is no different.

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xg-ei8ht - 467 days 10 hours ago

Played halo 3 at a friends, took the disc out and snaped it.

bought him another copy, the sad mofo.

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pshizle - 467 days 10 hours ago

i have the game

its really really well made

but i did not find it all that fun...overall i thought it was different but a well made game

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Anton Chigurh - 467 days 18 hours ago

wrong place lol

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Kleptic - 467 days 14 hours ago

this probably isn't the best place or time to ask a real question to a gaming community...but hear me out...

People keep saying 'the PS3 should be kicking the 360 all over the place'...implying that it isn't...but it raises a few questions immediately...

how exactly isn't it trashing the 360 visually?...multiplatform titles have always been that...no multiplatform title yet has shown the best of what either console can do, so little differences between the two versions are entirely moot...but take exclusives vs. exclusives, and you clearly see a major trend that can only be ignored by the most die hard of fanboys...

where is a 360 equivalent of MGS4?...or Uncharted?...no game on the 360 has anywhere near the tech in either of those...and devs have admitted it...the best looking games on the 360 are ALL UE3 based...and yet UE3 doesn't even have tech featured in both MGS4 and Uncharted yet...the refractive/reflective water (which has been confirmed to also be in resistance 2) is something that Epic announced to be put into UE3, and its still not here...it hasn't been shown in Gears 2 yet, which thus far looks like a brown version of Gears 1...not saying that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't look to dethrone any of the best looking console games from whats been shown so far...

then take for example Motorstrom PR, Wipeout HD, GT5P, and Killzone 2...all of which are yet to be released...but where is the 360 countering any of those?...Motorstorm PR went through a strange dev process, in which it has been constantly changing in a drastic manner all summer...the demo looks pretty similar to the original game, yet look at the new preview build given to IGN, which looks out of control...Wipeout HD has recieved nothing but 'zomg teh grphx' praise since the preview build released...GT5P was easily regarded as the most photo-realistic console game ever made (or was arguably taken over by MGS4)...and Killzone 2 has mo-cap and lighting technology that made even a $45 million budget sweat...

this sounds biased; I realize that...but its a serious question...I simply don't see 360 games pushing visuals limits like these PS3 titles...while these mentioned games may not absolutely destroy Gears 2, that is the only title that even gets headlines when pertaining to visuals from the 360 front...and its new features seem to be mostly stuff already put into some PS3 titles (again, the water effects for example)...

the simple truth is that UT3 is arguably the best looking title on the 360, with CoD 4 running a close second...and they both look identical to the PS3 versions...yet neither of those titles are close to the best looking PS3 games...which is easily MGS4, or Uncharted, when addressing only the tech of each (you may not like the softer art style of Uncharted compared to other titles...I am talking about the lighting, physics, animation, AI, etc...not the art style)...you can spin that in a lot of directions...but I think even the media is grabbing on to these facts as well...the PS3 has delivered in a lot of ways what was promised 3 years ago...it just took a lot longer than what Sony said...

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KBDuB - 467 days 13 hours ago

Lol. Nasim..

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infekt - 467 days 3 hours ago

Totally agree with you, Kleptic. First party games on the PS3 look, sound, and perform so much better than multiplatform games and its understandable why. Not to say its not the same with the 360 but did MGS4 ever put that into perspective. People can say as much crud about the game but the fans out the haters several folds over.

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Foliage - 467 days 2 hours ago

I agree with you 100% Kleptic. Too bad the "bots" won't respond to any intelligent comments like the one you just made.

They would probably mention Alan Wake, a game that has pretty much disappeared. A game that is looking to take the flop crown from Too Human. The visuals of Alan Wake piss me off as a 3D artist. It is like taking a picture of a house and placing it as a texture on a cube and pretending it is realistic because it is a picture of a real house. The geometry/character models in Alan Wake were laughable from what has been shown.

Just see this image off the official website to know what I mean: http://www.alanwake.com/scr... that car is the most hideous thing I've seen in over 5 years. Nice high-poly engine you have going on there. A picture of a headlight and a tire sure beats actual geometry. Not to mention the character leaning against the car, did a college student model it?

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juuken - 467 days ago

Preach it Kleptic.

I agree with you as well.

I have yet to see any games on the 360 that comes close to the games on the PS3. 360 fanboys like to brag about having thew best graphics but the only thing they can brag about is the multiplatform games. Now that multiplatform games are starting to look the same, they try to attack elsewhere.

Now watch them smack disagree buttons and disagree with logic. -__-

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CrazzyMan - 467 days 16 hours ago

Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Mass Effect, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey and some other x360 exclusives doesn`t have problems with:
1) frame rate
2) pop-up textures
3) different glitches

yeah, sure. Believe!

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ShinGino - 467 days 16 hours ago

Look at the Force Unleashed, Burnout Paradise, and eventually Mirror's Edge.

The PS3 versions are the superior ones.

Pure was developed on 360 and then ported to PS3. That should explain it.

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Kleptic - 467 days 14 hours ago

Pure is a PS1 game with a graphical overhaul...racing wise, feature wise, and gameplay wise, its been around for 15 years...

Motorstorm is an example of how off road arcade racing games have evolved since the PS1...its multiple vehicles on gigantic maps with several completely independent routes...not to mention unmatched visuals...and Pacific Rift is raising that bar, fixing all the presentation and content issues that where the only plague of the first title...and giving another boost to visuals that raise it beyond any other off road racing game...

I sound like a broken record with this...but there is absolutely no way to argue just how incredible this game looks, and a lot of this trailer isn't even the newest preview build that IGN recieved last week...but watch for some of the subtle details, like the plant physics as the monster truck plows over them...or when the plugger screams over the river...no other racing games have effects like that currently...

http://www.gametrailers.com...

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Marquis_de_Sade - 467 days 10 hours ago

i don't know where you get your Live sub from but 7.99 a month wether USD/EU/GBP is a stupid amount, is there really any need to exagerate?

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