id: Rage Not Cut Because of Xbox 360 Limits

Winter47th - 462 days ago

Saying nothing was cut out's nothing more than damage control like you said, it's sad the PC and PS3 need to be dragged down by the limitations of the 360.

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bushfan - 461 days 23 hours ago

Mostly because we were going to be shipping on two DVDs for the 360 and felt that it would play better with one large wasteland on each disc so there would be no loading between wastelands.

There was NO CONTENT removed from RAGE because of the 360--NONE AT ALL.

ID said it, not me

mmm....i don´t believe in you ID...

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Jim Hawking - 461 days 23 hours ago

Is he saying that all the versions will be identical or is he saying that the other versions wont suffer due to the 360; whose version will have some cutbacks. I can't tell if he is being vague or intentionally vaporous.

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soljah - 461 days 23 hours ago

this is spin control at its best. and if they did make changes to accommodate the 360 then it is just plan sad. now everyone has to play a gimped game because of it

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radio0o - 461 days 22 hours ago

damage control

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uxo22 - 461 days 22 hours ago

You don't have to play a gimped game. You can just pass on it and buy something else. The beauty of being a free human being. So stop hating, the earlier rumor came out which by ID's own admission was false and you now say ID is lying. (Because you'd prefer the news that gave you more ammo to bash the 360 on.)

What is with you guys.

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AAACE5 - 461 days 22 hours ago

I don't like John Carmack or any of iD softwares games! Ps3 owners want this game so much more. Let them have it and just move on! Make it an even split... 360 can have Valve and Ps3 can have iD, and they can both share Epic!

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mikeslemonade - 461 days 22 hours ago

"The limitations of the DVD medium and Xbox 360 HARDWARE have not forced id to cut content"

This says it wasn't just a DVD issue it was because the 360 hardware is inferior and obsolete.

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arika - 461 days 21 hours ago

houston we have a problem.
damage control imminent.. in 1 2 3.....

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jmare - 461 days 15 hours ago

I think someone got his ass kicked.

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Saigon - 461 days 13 hours ago

as everyone stated already, this is damage control...we all know the truth...

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player911 - 461 days 13 hours ago

you guys are killing me. They already stated there was no lack of content. All they are stating is that they are organizing their maps.

Big deal.

Would you want to have a bunch of smaller levels that require tons of load times... or 1 big map and call it a day?

I think I'd rather have 1 big map myself.

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The Lazy One - 461 days 12 hours ago

It's the original quote, just unedited. Don't yell at iD because some d-bag in the press decided to cut out half the quote to incite flame wars.

edit: that's not the article this was in response to. It's in response to this one

http://www.n4g.com/News-200...

I was wrong, they aren't the same quote, but both quotes were from the same day less than 5 hours apart. only 3 hours after the original story was posted. it's not damage control, it's clarification.

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Kleptic - 461 days 11 hours ago

^^^^uh no...this is the original article from a while ago, this is what they were following up on, and the changes they made because of it...

http://www.shacknews.com/on...

spin it anyway you want...someone knocked some heads around iD because of yesterdays news...whether the 'cuts' to the game worked on overall is entirely their opinion...the simple fact is that the game was changed in order to fit on two DVDs BECAUSE of the 360...

and this is also outside of the texture issues the 360 version is faced with...

it blows me away how generation after generation there are always people that just keep spouting off how larger media formats 'are not needed'...it has been said every single time that a PS console has been released...PS1: "We don't need CD Rom, carts are awesome...loading sucks"...PS2: "we don't need DVD, CD is fine, DVD is slower"...PS3: " we don't need BD, DVD is fine, BD is slower"...just like each time, the optical media incorporated into the PS3 will prove itself in the industry, just as Sony has done with ridiculous success in the past...

and notice how at the beginning of each generation, it is Sony bringing the new tech to the market...and it was Sony's 'old' tech that is being fiercely defended...there is no question that whatever the PS4 ships with, everyone will be shouting "we don't need ___, BD is fine"...

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bennyace - 461 days 6 hours ago

It's ID that should adjust to the limitations of a console not remove content to make it run on all consoles. Last year EA didn't lower the framerate on madden 08 or nhl 08 on the 360 because they couldn't get it up to 60 fps on the PS3. Or Final Fantasy XIII will probably not be the same on the 360 compare to the PS3.

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Tony Scarboni - 462 days ago

Well seeing as how computers have mandatory HDD's they pretty much have limitless space.

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BIoodmask - 462 days ago

All PCs having hard drives has nothing to do with how many disks Rage would ship on. Don't you think?

What does having a hard drive have to do with content fitting on the game disk it ships on?

I have a hard drive on my PC. Does that mean the PC version of RAGE will now fit on one disk even if id didn't change it? LMAO

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kai_h - 462 days ago

The DVD for a PC can be compressed a lot because it when it`s installed onto the PC, it is decompressed onto the hard drive. It doesn`t stream nor read off of the disk like a console.

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PimpHandStrong - 462 days ago

well Bloodmask

PC games have a place in gaming....i play a RTS once a year...just pick the best that year and try it..thats me

PC gaming isnt dead but like the Wii it is going to be taking a step back very soon. Games using your browser anyone and games that are small fun and in some way cool or cute...artsy stuff im thinking

but what do i know!?!?!

PS3 and 360 when talked about by the companys that made them both said they want to give you the COMPLETE entainment hub for you living room! Music Games Movies Internet

blah blah blah

bloodmask do us a favor

Just bring us the news! I would hate to see how many bookmarks you have for little unknown gamesites let alone the couple you probaly run and pump with N4G

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Statix - 462 days ago

However, you have to consider that PC publishers are much less reluctant to ship a title on multiple (2 or more) discs on the PC, than on the XB360. RAGE, for instance, might ship for the PC on 4 or 5 discs or so, while that number would be highly unlikely on the XB360.

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jackdoe - 462 days ago

Sigh. "Installing" onto a 360 IS NOT the same thing as an install on the PC. An install on the PC unpacks the heavily compressed data, which leads to file sizes larger than 7 GB (Gears of War and Mass Effect PC take roughly 10gb of install space). An "install" on the 360 is merely making a DVD rip onto the 360 and emulating the DVD-Rom drive; because the dvd-rom drive is emulated and runs from the HDD, you get faster load times and no wear and tear on the discs. You can make ISO rips on the PC as well. Also, because the PC is an open platform, iD won't have to pay royalties for multiple discs; on the 360, iD HAS to pay royalties and they aren't cheap. MS DOES NOT like it when a multiplat game ships with more discs then the competitor and as such charges high royalties for the third and fourth disc, which is the main reason why iD went with the two disc format (Carmack brought this point up when he started the huge PS3/360 fanboy flame war a couple of months back during Quake Con).

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sonarus - 462 days ago

I am fairly certain pc version will ship on both dvd and blu ray

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I Call 9MM - 462 days ago

Actually heard about a special edition of the game coming to PC that would ship on a Blu-Ray disc. Glad I've got my Blu-Ray drive ready to go.

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BobDog - 461 days 23 hours ago

bloodmask with a computer, u install the dvd onto ur hard drive, u play the game off the hardrive, and dosnt matter how many dvds u have because u will only ever have to change the dvds when u install, not when u play the game

with consoles u play the game off the dvd or bluray for a ps3, and therefore it matters how many dvds u have, seeing as u have the change dvd during gameplay, and if u move back and forth between points in rage u will have the change the dvd each time.

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Rourker - 461 days 23 hours ago

the PC doesn't have royalty fees on extra disks, the 360 does, therefore releasing a game on 5 disks is very possible, annoying to install, but still possible.

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Ozzyb - 461 days 21 hours ago

Yea, the 360 works exactly the way PCs work *cough* RIGHT. I don't remember PC games having a royalty fee on multiple disc games. Can we raise that bet to 20 Blademask? When you spew lotsa fanboy garbage, what can you come back and say in your defense? Even if he comes back, he's just going to fabricate some more garbage.. or maybe chop up another article so it sounds like Microsoft themselves wrote it. If you're reading this Captain Fanboy, try not to be SUCH a detriment to this site, as you usually are.

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BobDog - 461 days 20 hours ago

he cant fabricate more garbage without showing how little he actually knows about a computer aswell as his loved console

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Real Gambler - 461 days 18 hours ago

Yesterday in IDs office:

Ring, Ring, Ring. Hello, it's Microsoft lawyers. Time for some damage control. Here how you will spin the story this morning...

Today on Bloodmask pc:

Ring, Ring, Ring. Hello, this is the fans. Wake up and learn how a pc work before you say anything. No royalties on DVDs, huge game install, tons of room needed on hard drives. Uncompressing files. Owned.

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AssassinHD - 461 days 16 hours ago

The difference though is that Id could put RAGE on 3 discs without a licensing fee on the PC version. Microsoft charges an additional fee for the third disc with the Xbox 360. The other obvious difference is that with the PC version Id has a HDD with which to play.

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Wildarmsjecht - 461 days 16 hours ago

lmao....that was such coordinated ownage Blood, even you can't deny it. This is without a doubt damage control, it's evident in his own statements. We'll just have to see what they game could've been with 5 maps instead of 2.

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Kleptic - 461 days 11 hours ago

way to entirely miss the point bloodmask...

PC gaming does not have proprietary hardware to focus on...hence the 'requirements' posted on every PC game sold...a PC game is designed to utilize Windows as an OS, and everything else is scalable to work with a wide range of hardware...the first article pointed out that PC's have 'limitless storage' because of the fact that the game is installed onto the HDD entirely, not just 'sort of' like a PS3 or 360...which brings the optical media used completely out of question...

PC games are always the last to 'need' higher storage formats...as long as HDD's are exponentially bigger than the programs that require them, then its irrelevant...the 360 is completely different...the game is run off the disc, or at least has to be designed to do so (because not every 360 has an HDD)...that brings the optical media front and center, and is obviously starting to be the 360's biggest weakness, and the PS3's biggest strength...

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Yipee Bog - 462 days ago

Disheartening to hear for exclusive xbox 360 owners. Thankfully I own both, and am very happy, and very broke

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bakasora - 461 days 12 hours ago

Thats the way.
True gamer gets the love from all consoles.

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Kleptic - 461 days 11 hours ago

no its great for 360 only owners...because they still get the game...its bad for PS3 owners, or PC only owners...or PC/PS3 owners...the game was gimped in a way to fit onto a platform that you don't care about...

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ukilnme - 462 days ago

Oh yes, nothing but damage control. They don't want anybody thinking the game will be gimped.

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Kleptic - 461 days 11 hours ago

what exactly is so controversial about what they said?...that is what I simply don't understand...how can 360 owners seriously keep a straight face and say that DVD9 is perfectly acceptable for state of the art games?...I read most of the comments in the other thread, as well as at the source...and it was a bunch of 360 owners throwing their hands in the air screaming 'whatever, its not true'...

truth hurts I guess...PS3 owners were faced with an endless barrage of developers claiming it was impossible to work with...and yeah, a lot of PS3 owners screamed that the devs were just lazy...but tables are quickly turning, and the risks within the PS3's hardware are starting to pay off in a good way...there is nothing more for a 360 defender to do than simply deal with it...games are getting bigger and bigger...and DVD isn't...that is all there is to it...this has happened every single console generation...Sony always choses to push the larger formats in their systems, which has ALWAYS paid off...there is no reason that this gen is or will be any different...

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Kyur4ThePain - 462 days ago

professional damage control - cover all bases.

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Kleptic - 461 days 11 hours ago

I agree...that is the only reason I fell into either of yesterday' thread...it was in the PS3 tab...

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Freezingduck - 461 days 16 hours ago

MGS4, LBP and R2 - three of the biggest titles for the PS3 this year...yet you mentioned Warhawk which is released way back then before you were born

Typical retarded Xbot...

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cemelc - 461 days 23 hours ago

Hey @jack_who, long time no see

I was worried that one of this days someone would summit and article of your house on fire, cos your system RRODed to hard this time.

Thx god you're ok

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jack who - 461 days 23 hours ago

thankx ill make sure i have a bucket of water close by

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silverchode - 461 days 23 hours ago

putting a bucket of water next to a 360 isnt a very smart thing to do.

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infekt - 461 days 13 hours ago

You might get a replaced 360 but your home will be up in flames. I can just picture it. You poor thing...

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Ozzyb - 461 days ago

what they do to get it done?... as long as it is as good as it can be? Why would you or I care if it's harder to develop for? or if they need an extra team? I don't give a sh!t, I don't work there and they still get my money. That is a LAME argument.

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jack who - 461 days 23 hours ago

shhh be4 micrsoft hits them with a bus full of money and your pos3 goes back to whats its good at....collecting dust

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shutupandplay - 461 days 23 hours ago

"Same comment but removes the "360 is at fault" and add the "360 is a great machine". Convinient "
Go cry yourself to sleep or something. You sound like a damn baby.

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cemelc - 461 days 23 hours ago

Why i copy pasted the two articles, you don't believe me well then read:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

After that you can proceed and read this article.

Tell if he didnt replace it, in this world that is called Damage control.

By the way why in the world would i cry over a game? are you stupid?seems like i hit a nerve there pal.

And for @jack_who, sure the ps3 will be next to this:

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shutupandplay - 461 days 23 hours ago

I am just surprised you would go to the work, to reassure yourself that the 360 sucks.

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cemelc - 461 days 22 hours ago

Dude could you at least read the article before posting??? he is apologizing in the article you stupid bot.

Here read the orginal again: http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
Then read this one.

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morganfell - 461 days 17 hours ago

Hi moron nice to see you think that one of Id's owners, Tim Willits is a droid.

You aren't very bright are you.

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morganfell - 461 days 17 hours ago

Another moron that has never heard of Tim Willits. You are scientific proof that single life cell forms with no central brain can survive under a rock.

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macalatus - 461 days 1 hour ago

I find it funny and ironic that you mentioned college since your intelligence shows that you probably have yet to graduate from elementary school.

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sak500 - 461 days 12 hours ago

LOL @ atom

This doucheHag juuken claims he/she is a girl.

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juuken - 461 days 3 hours ago

Good, I'm on every article.
I like seeing 360 fanbrats cry and try to insult me as if they're doing me something.

You want to talk sh*t about me when 360 fanbrats are on PS3 articles every five seconds?

'SONY SUCKS!'
'DOWN WITH SONY!'
'HOME AIN'T OUT YET!'
'WAITSTATION'
'DELAYSTATION!'
'LITTLE POOP PLANET!'
'LITTLE POOP PILE OF SH*T!'
'RESISTANCE SUCKS!'
'YOU HAVE NO GAMES!'
'YOU FAIL AT LIFE!
'JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WKIN!'
'FAT B*TCH!'
'GO RUN THE LAP FATTY!'

You are a loser and a waste of oxygen. I love how you PM me with your little dumbass rants.

You know why PS3 fans hate your kind as well? You brag, you brag, you brag, you brag, you kiss ass, you kiss ass, you brag again, you heave your chests up just because you have allllll these games and the best online service evvvvvvva. You attack other consoles and don't give credit where it's due.

At least someone like me-a Playstation fan can give Microsoft a bit of credit with the 360. They pushed Sony to work harder on the PS3. They gave Sony perhaps the best fight in the console war.

I still have *yet* to understand why 360 fanboys hate the Playstation 3 with a blinding passion. Is it because the PS3 destroyed the XBox? Is it because Sony representatives attacked at night and raped your entire family?

At least someone like me can point out why I despise the 360. Despite all the good software, it's an unreliable piece of hardware. Instead of fixing the RROD completely and come out with the truth, Microsoft covered it up with lies and a warranty that lasts three years.

One has to wonder if Takahashi was right in his statements.

You bots can't stand that I'm right most of the time. You can't stand it, so you slam the disagree button, you throw petty insults, and you cry like little babies. Wah, wahhhhhhhh PS3 owners hate us!

Yes, you guys are completely innocent indeed.

You didn't insult PS3 owners back in 2007, laughing about how there were no games. You didn't insult PS3 owners back in 2007, laughing about bluray was going to fail, the PS3 was going to fail and Sony would come out with the PS4 before Microsoft could bring out the next XBox.

Yeah, uh-huh.

You're getting a piece of your own medicine you dished out on PS3 owners a year ago.

Keep it up.

What goes around comes around.

Oh, and what's this?

Sak500 calling me a douche!

Wow...such a gentleman for calling a female a douche! I applaud you very much! Seriously, who the hell are *you* supposed to be?

Acting all high and mighty because you have a 360? People like you need to get laid.

That's all I have to say about that.

Slam that disagree button like the little children that you are because clearly you can't come up with an argument to refute mine.

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macalatus - 461 days 1 hour ago

Dude, the only ones spinning are your ilk.

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karlostomy - 460 days 23 hours ago

beyond your delusions.

Ohje... whatever bakes your turkey!

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smurfie4 - 461 days 4 hours ago

Maniac n4g PS3 supporters?! You obviously have been studying one side because there are equal maniac n4g 360 supporters as well. I have to say that this article does give me the impression of damage control. They probably thought that telling people the 360 would gimp the other platforms would result in loss of sales. So they resort to spin the article into something more positive so they can win back the potential buyers. The fact still remains that Rage will be on multiple discs for the 360.

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macalatus - 461 days 1 hour ago

@Blu Ray,

Let me tell you two things:

One, you were probably in a coma when all the anti-PS3 hate was all the rage a year-and-a-half ago.

Two, welcome to this site, but too bad you are already looking clueless or just plain looking for a fight in here. Bad introduction...tsk, tsk!

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