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Xbox 360 defects: an inside history of Microsoft's video game console woes

When his fourth Xbox 360 video game console died in April, Chris Szarek wasn't surprised.

The Chicopee, Mass. gamer was accustomed to the hardware failures that became known throughout the Internet as RROD, or the "red rings of death" which flash when the console becomes inoperable.

A 40-year-old photographer, Szarek was a hardcore Microsoft fan who spent more than $1,000 on his games. But each time one of his Xbox 360 consoles failed, he had to spend time convincing Microsoft's tech support that they should send him a new console. Each time he got a refurbished console as a replacement (a machine that had been returned to a repair center in Texas, fixed as much as possible, and then shipped back out). When he complained on the Internet and to the media about the shoddy product and poor customer service, people branded him a cry baby and wrote him off as a statistical anomaly. But by the spring of 2008, Szarek was vindicated. There were at least a million or two other people like him.

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chaosatom - 468 days 10 hours ago
1 - ah, here is the story i been looking for :)
Even after spending so much money on RROD. Microsoft still has time to snatch some exclusives and DLC.

But the said truth is that After 3 years the Warranty expires. Who is to say that it won't RROD then?

Three years may look like a lot, but if it happens, there is no reason to buy another xbox, because there will be a cheap ps3 waiting and an expensive xbox 720 compared to ps3.

360 owners will then migrate to ps3 in bulks and even Wii customers will start to realize that ps3 is a better console.

RROD is probably the main reason why it's not doing so good in Europe. Even after being so cheap.

Right now Sony is not thinking of dropping price because it's too early and the hardware is still too expensive. As more people buy hdtvs, Feb 09, then more people will see how good the ps3 is. And then ps3 would drop its price.

Xbox will still be 200, but it would be marketing the same fact during 2009. Whereas ps3 can create a ripple of effect with dropped price.
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John Madden - 468 days 9 hours ago
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Chaos speaks the truth and the people who don't believe that this is gonna happen just can't admit it.
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Man_of_the_year - 468 days 9 hours ago
1.2 - @chaosatom
I do agree that the RROD is a problem that will affect the 360 reputation for many and many a years. In all honesty i am on my 4th 360 as well here - well actually 2 RROD on me the 3rd had an issue with the drive not coming out but the 4th one i got never had a problem for at least a year when i sold it to a friend who still has not had a problem with it...i in turn went and bought an Elite. No problems with it yet (knock on wood) and i have had it for a year. however each time i only had to wait about 2 weeks till i got my shipment back and i never paid a cent at any time. No problems with it yet (knock on wood) and i have had it for a year.

However i think your logic, especially when you start off your argument "ah, here is the story i been looking for :)" is a little skewed....seems you were searching high and low for this 1 story...i have read worse stories regarding the 360 than this one.

I agree that when ppl start buying more HDTV's there will be more of a demand for HD movies and the PS3 is the best IMHO blu-ray player on the market - which is why i bought one.
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wray77 - 468 days 9 hours ago
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If my 360 wrecks there's already a $199 360 waiting for my hard drive, so I can continue to enjoy my xbla games.
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IDemonstalkerXI - 468 days 8 hours ago
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RRoD is not the only problem 360s had in the early days I had 2 that scratched discs. Ive told my story enough times yet it was upsetting the second time when the 3 year extended RRoD warranty did not cover faulty optical drives.

If my 3rd ever breaks down im likely to not buy another MS console until the 720 comes out and I will wait awhile to see if theres any issues.
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Megatron08 - 468 days 7 hours ago
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this story is just another story about the 360 by ps3 fanboy trying to make it look as bad as possible. The story makes many assumptions with zero proof or zero facts to bad it up. The fact is there is no reason to think that MS knew anything about the rrod problem when the 360 was release. Did MS lose out cause of this problem sure they did. Well it cost them goin in to the next gen ? Maybe I think tho if they are the 1st to release there system again they will still come out on top. Sell will be slower at 1st with people waiting to see how their system holds up. Then again the ps2 lost a class action law suit cause it was defective when it was release and that never slowed it down or impact the ps3's release. I dont think sony fanboy will ever let anyone forget about rrod 20 years from now they will still be talking about it

To be honest I dont think any next gen machine will have an explosion in sales when it is release. This gen seems slow then others. 3 years into and sony is still wait on all its big hits then only recent got thier 1st system seller in mgs4. FF13 is still at least a year away (it be out in us x mas 09 or summer 10) Too Human, Mass Effect and GoW all wanted to get trilogies out this gen and are all only on their 1st game (tho GoW2 be on in nov of course) I think that there will still be a lot of AAA coming out for a year or 2 for this gen after the next one is release.
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outlawlife - 468 days 7 hours ago
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at least microsoft stepped up the plate and admitted the problem and offered solutions, doesn't matter if you liek it, it is a solution none the less

another company had an issue with systems last gen...it was a black box that was supposed to read blue discs, how quickly we forget these things happen, although sony was nice enough to repair my $300 system once when it was 6 months old for a small fee of $127 and being gone for a month, and it fried anyway within 5 months after that

the ps2 thrived despite the disc read errors, the bad power supplies, so why can't the 360?...because you don't own one? that is a little ridiculous

when my 360 finally died about 8 months after purchase it was replaced within about 12 days, pretty reasonable i think

whether you like it or not the replacement program that is in effect is better than most consumer electronics companies, if you don't believe my try dealing with another company over something such as a television or even worse a computer, you will be without for weeks and probably have to pay for something

the fanboyism on here is getting out of control, people need to grow up and look at reality, financially it would be a terrible idea to not recycle the 360s that did RROD and what MS does with the refurbished 360s is perfectly reasonable

if you think any other company out there doesn't practice the same thing then you are out of touch, every corporation is interested in cutting costs and they will use what they have at their disposal in anyway possible

microsoft, sony, nintendo, samsung,sharp,LG...all of them work the same and all of them are equally unfriendly whether you want to believe it or not
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PirateThom - 468 days 7 hours ago
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PS2 had a failure rate of about 10%, the 360's was as high as 33% at one point.

When you consider the sheer number of PS2s against the vastly smaller number of 360s, the 360 number is pathetic.
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outlawlife - 468 days 6 hours ago
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well at least you missed the entire point of what i said, i'll give you credit for that
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PirateThom - 468 days 6 hours ago
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No, I perfectly understood, I just want to make clear that comparing the 360 to the PS2 doesn't work, because the 360 is way above what is considered industry acceptable standards while the PS2 wasn't.
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AAACE5 - 467 days 20 hours ago
1.10 - chaosatom... you are truely delusional and borderline psychotic!
Why do you love the Ps3 so much and want the 360 to fail so badly?

Does your Ps3 pay your bills? Does it tuck you in at night? Do you have romantic evenings with it? Please tell me something. Cause I don't understand how someone can have that much emotion for a piece of electronics that will be obsolete in a couple years(10 years if you want to believe that)!

I was done with the Gamecube and Ps2, 2 years before the Ps3 and Wii came out. I was done with the Xbox 1, a little bit after that, but kept it until the 360 came out! Even though we are in this gen, I am looking to the Ps4 and next xbox already!

That 3 years you are talking about... by the time that hits people will have made their decision already. So what kind of magical awakening are you expecting? You think everyone is going to look up one day and say... "You know what... the 360's a piece of sh*t.... i'm getting a Ps3!" and then droves of people are going to be on the news destroying their system and bad mouthing MS. And then MS' stock will plummet and go bankrupt leaving MS' game ambitions totally dead and the market wide open for sony to dominate?

If that's what you believe, then you must be a child! I got two words for you..."GROW UP!" Sony needs MS and MS needs Sony! And you need both of them! I explained this in another post, but you and the other raving fanboys probably won't read this far and will just disagree and take my bubbles... Yeah... I know you are one of them!
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scottie2521 - 467 days 18 hours ago
1.12 - this just the story I've been waiting on too
this week I started a new job at a company that repairs gaming consoles. And it's a well known fact in the company that MS knew ahead of time that the console would have these problems but did nothing to fix it when they could've. They were too worried about getting their system out. We work on all systems but it staggering to see the number if 360s there. We have literally 1000s of them. And we still get new ones everyday. Elites, Halo editions, HDMI editions it doesn't matter. I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was anywhere near that.
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Sarick - 467 days 10 hours ago
1.13 - @wray77 -1.3 -
"If my 360 wrecks there's already a $199 360 waiting for my hard drive, so I can continue to enjoy my xbla games."

That's one reason I believe the sales numbers are so high. Some people don't care about buying a new console. When it comes to their hobby they'd buy a second or third and send the other back for repair. In this scenario we'd end up with some owners buying two or more units to avoid downtime when their console RRODs.

There isn't proof of this but if it's even slightly true the extra units sold would pad the markets install base significantly.
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cmrbe - 468 days 9 hours ago
2.1 - Yeah
whenever there are good MS stories people's x360 do suddenly PROD.
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whatis - 468 days 8 hours ago
2.2 - The Xbox 360 has recently become even cheaper than it was before.
Articles like this are here to remind people why it is so cheap.

* The problem should not be swept under the rug.

* Everyone should know that there is a problem.

* People should not stop talking about the RROD until it is fixed.
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YoshiMeetsU - 468 days 7 hours ago
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I think even if it is resolved we will continue to hear about it.
Definately brings out the Sony trolls in mass. Do not worry about it if your 360 is working and you are enjoying it. You are playing on the system with the best library of games and the most complete online service of any console.
I've had the rrod but it never crossed my mind to get a ps3 and the fact that many 360 owners continue to go back to the 360 is testimony to how good the system is in games and functionality.
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uxo22 - 468 days 7 hours ago
2.4 - Agree
There definitely don't seem to be a shortage of PS3 fans keeping the RROD story alive. They also seem to enjoy hanging out in xbox 360 threads. Even more so than their own.

N4G needs to required PSN, Wii, And Gamertags as part of validating registrations and only allow people in threads that they have valid tags for.
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cmrbe - 468 days 7 hours ago
2.5 - You guys should preach
to pog and co then.

Lets not forget that xbox fans were caught impersonating PS fans to make them look bad so lets not go there please.
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YoshiMeetsU - 468 days 7 hours ago
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so you agree with what he said then cmbre eh? haha okay.
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Tsalagi - 468 days 6 hours ago
2.7 - N4G needs to required PSN, Wii, And Gamertags as part of validating registrations and only allow people in threads that they have valid tags for.
I second that. It'll keep the fanboys in their own sections and those of us who want to actually read gaming news and talk about gaming won't have to put up with the childish fighting over whose console is better.
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cmrbe - 468 days 6 hours ago
2.8 - Where did i say i agree Yoshi ?
I am just saying that if you are going to throw stones make sure you are not in a glass house. Uoxx commented in PS3 treads as well and its hypcritical to point your fingers at PS fans.

Also clamiming that PS3 fans are posing as x360 is quite stupid and baseless. Where is the proof?. It was found out last year that a site posing as a PS fan site is actually run by a x360 fan to make PS fans look bad. It was proven.

Go check the PS3 section now and you will find so many x360 fans on it.
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YoshiMeetsU - 468 days 6 hours ago
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I'm sorry cmbre all I read was "well 360 fans do it for the PS3 so we do it to the 360".
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cmrbe - 468 days 5 hours ago
2.10 - I am sorry as well
i thought i was conversing with an adult let alone someone that can read.
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uxo22 - 468 days 5 hours ago
2.11 - @cmrbe
You're right I do comment in the PS3 threads, as do I the wii threads, but you know what's, I own all three systems and proud to own each of them.

Here is one thing that you'll notice about my comments, I never bash any of the consoles. However I do, comment to people that make ignorant a$$ comments or make comments that are completely biased or fanboyish.

So, sorry I don't live in the glass house that you speak of.

Also perhaps I misunderstood you, but I never said PS3 fans are impersonating 360 fans.
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cmrbe - 468 days 5 hours ago
2.12 - Ok. I apologise to you Uxoo
Obviously i mistook what you said and yes you don't troll as they say but thats not what i meant anyway. Suggesting that fans should be kept at their own section was kind of weird considering that i saw you post in PS3 threads before and i assumed you don't have a PS3.

However. I would never speak up against x360 fans from posting on PS3 threads.
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YoshiMeetsU - 468 days 4 hours ago
2.13 - cmbre
You result to insults now? and you are calling me a child?
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Adamalicious - 467 days 16 hours ago
2.14 - @ 2.4, 2.7
Now I need a "Report as Fascist" option. I can only read/comment on news about products I own?!? Holy crap!! Do you realize how insane that sounds?
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HuntTheWumpus - 468 days 9 hours ago
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I finally picked me and my son up a 360 today!(PRO) I also bought the in store warranty with Best Buy so if it has a problem I can bring it in and they will swap it out for me at no charge.

Just unboxing it now and getting it setup.

I bought Mass Effect, Crackdown, Halo 3 and Gears of War. The game selection was overwhelming but I remember people mentioning how good these were.

Can anyone else recommend 360 titles I should pick up? Thanks!
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chaosatom - 468 days 9 hours ago
3.1 - I don't own 360, but here
Bioshock.

Oh!

And Definetly Call of Duty 4. *how can i forget this*

It's Game of the Year.

I would have said Grand Theft auto, but it's a boring game, and not worth your money.

There are downloable games that you can spend your money that is worth having.
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deno - 468 days 8 hours ago
3.2 - @huntthewumpus
These are also good games. Forza 2, pgr4, dead rising, virtue fighter 5, ninja gaiden 2,too human, kameo, viva pinata, fear, tomb raider anniversary, bioshock, devil maycry 4.
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HuntTheWumpus - 468 days 4 hours ago
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Thank you for the suggestions! I am having a blast right now with the new system and will have to check out your recommendations. +bub
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cmrbe - 468 days 9 hours ago
4 - And yet some people
say that PS fans are stupid for buying a PS3.
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ErcsYou - 468 days 9 hours ago
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I stopped reading at " a hardcore Microsoft fan who spent more than $1,000 on his games." because 15 + games is no where near Hardcore.
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cereal_killa - 468 days 8 hours ago
6 - mineRROD on me 3 weeks ago
I'm still waiting for it to be fixed if this wasn't free i would never buy anything from M$ again. I just called the 1-800-4my-xbox number and they lost my work order so now i have to wait for another 5-8 days for my xbox to be fixed this is total BS for something that has been going on for 2yrs...
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uxo22 - 468 days 7 hours ago
6.1 - @cereal_killa
What's your gamertag?
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deno - 468 days 8 hours ago
7 - all is true
If microsoft did not have the rrod issue with xbox360 they would have easly crushed sony this gen. To little to late, sony will most likely take second place and microsoft will take third.
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darkstar - 468 days 6 hours ago
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He spent a grand on games, I spent over 3! I recently sold them all after my 6th rrod.(It was dead on arrival) I have just moved on and decided to give my ps3 all the love from now on.
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uxo22 - 468 days 5 hours ago
8.1 - haha
That's funny darkstar, your gamercard shows that you were on xbox live 2 hours ago. Wow. Or are you just kidding around?

BTW: Nice gamerscore though :)
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cereal_killa - 468 days 6 hours ago
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@ UX022

I dont go on live but my GT is cereal killa

And why did someone disagree why would I lie about this I have no reason to bash M$ and praise Sony I don't even own a PS3 yet. I know people want to call me a liar but i have never been on here to support either system over the other, I think both systems have good games to play.
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uxo22 - 468 days 5 hours ago
9.1 - @cereal_killa
Thanks
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Lou-Cipher - 468 days 5 hours ago
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There is alot of people complaining about PS3 fans always bringing up RROD like it is a problem of the past (RROD is past, present, and future)
Xbox fans are still clinging to PS2 problems as if it is a problem us PS3 users have to deal with.(it is not)

Articles on RROD is a very important way to not screw over consumers that dont know any better.

My sister came home with an Xbox 360 for her three little girls because she was not able to get a wii in the timeframe that she wanted. When she told me that she just purchased a 360 without doing research on it, I advised her to read as many articles as she can related to RROD before she reveals it to the children. My sister came back and said she took the 360 back and bought a PS3 because piece of mind is more important then wasting you money on a console that still has a very good chance of failing.

I know that there is alot of people out there that dont mind paying for a cosole that has a good chance of failure, and they will cling to the fact that they only have to wait a couple of weeks to get it back from Microsoft, but to most people that is just unacceptable.

So as long as 360s keep getting RROD & Cannot Read Errors & Disc Scratching Problems then it is only fair that possible customers be aware of the problems associated with the Xbox 360.
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Liar - 468 days 3 hours ago
10.1 -
What evidence do you have that the RROD still exists?
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PirateThom - 467 days 22 hours ago
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What evidence do you have that it doesn't still exist?
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darkstar - 468 days 3 hours ago
11 - Uxo
Did my gamer card seriously say im online? The last time I played it was a week or two ago when my buddy brought over rock band. If it says I'm online then I've got a problem here, cuz somebody jacked my account! Oh and how was it possible to disagree with what I said in my previous post?
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uxo22 - 468 days 2 hours ago
11.1 - Well
you may want to look into it, because when I looked at it, it did say that you were last on 2 hours ago. However now it's says last seen 5 hours ago. is about right since my comment to you was 3 hours ago.

And the reason I disagreed with you last comment is, even if you did get your "6th" RROD, why would you sell your games when you are still under warranty to get your console replaced. The 360 hasn't been out three years just yet has it. (Maybe I'm wrong).

I would think that if you are going to sell your stuff, you would be better off waiting til you console got back (unless you just threw it away which I doubt.) and sold everything all at once.

Just a thought, it's no big deal that I disagreed with you, that's what the disagree button is for. I don't know why people take disagrees so personal.

But, whatever man if you sold your games, I wish I would have known, you have a couple titles on your gamercard that I would have bought off of you.
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rrjim1 - 468 days 3 hours ago
12 - Really!
Then you have millions of people like me that are still on there original (12/05) console. It gets used almost every day so I feel I got my moneys worth, unlike my PS3 and Wii that just sits there.
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Fighter - 468 days 2 hours ago
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this is the only reason why I don't want to buy an Xbox 360. The games and the Live service are great but the hardware is utter crap. If someone gave me an Xbox 360 I would gladly take it and enjoy it but I would never waste my own money on something that is guaranteed to break now or later down the road. What if i buy one now and it RROD on me after 3 years then I'm truly fu*ked.
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uxo22 - 468 days 2 hours ago
13.1 - Well Fighter
As a counter argument, using your own words "that is guaranteed to break now or later down the road." One could say the same thing about the PS3. Although it is not likely to break base on its past track record, it is a piece of electronic equipment and it is susceptible to break. The thing is, if you bought one of each and after 1 year they all broke on you, only your 360 would be repairable under warranty. For two more years.

Just another way of looking at it. I know the new 2009 Nissan Murano I just bought is guaranteed to break on me "later down the road" no pun intended. But as long as it's under warranty I'll deal with a little inconvenience as long as it's not going to cost me anything.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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