Achievement Unlocked?

bobokadof - 473 days 23 hours ago

i believe the trophy system (so far) has solved this ...M$ could copy them somehow

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cow moolester - 473 days 22 hours ago

And how has it solved it? Achievements/Trophies are completely upto the developer. Microsoft has no say in how much gamerscore should go for each achievement

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LoveWaffles - 473 days 21 hours ago

i.e. you get an achievement for just turning on the Simpsons game but then you have Seriously how does all that work out there should be some kind of standard

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sak500 - 473 days 21 hours ago

Its upto the developer how he wants people to get the achievements. If he's a sadist he'll make one like seriously2.0, if he's a pacifist and wants people to have fun then he'll go with DICE BF:BC route or COD4 route where most of the achievements require the game to be played and not doing something by chance like killing the developer in an online match achievment for GTAIV.

Btw trophies suck big time as its being thrown in after 2 years and no developer is taking it seriously. Also how will u know about the experience level of a person by looking at his avatar? counting the trophies? or a numeric value showing how much he's scored overall?

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Girl Gamer - 473 days 20 hours ago

Surely though, Microsoft could set up some guidelines for developers to follow when it comes to putting achievement points into their games. Wouldn't that make more sense than having huge differences in the difficulty of gaining points?

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Lord Vader - 473 days 19 hours ago

I'd rather have the developers decide. Harder achievements are MUCH cooler, not Gamerscore. If you played Avatar & a bunch of movie-based games to get your Gamerscore, then you suck & u r a n00b, & it shows everyone when they view your games.

Most every guy i run into that has a high Gamerscore cant match my achievements in Bioshock, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Gears, DMC4, GTA IV, ect. So a high Gamerscore is meaningless to me unless u have beaten hard games.

Beating COD4 on Veteran, beating Big games on the highest difficulty, getting a 1000 on Halo 3 or Bioshock, those are achievements worth having. If you put Avatar in your disc drive, then you are a complete & total failure as a gamer in my book.

I think they should remove all achievements that you can "boost" a.k.a. cheat with a buddy in MP. I'm all for the harder achivements.

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BlackCountryBob - 473 days 19 hours ago

Maybe just giving out a set range of points, following the PS3 trophy idea so for example there are lots of easy achievements worth 15 points, a few harder ones worth 50 and about 3 very hard achievements worth 75 points. A final big 200 points could be given for getting all the other achievements (like the platinum trophy).

There need not be some kind of overlord monitoring, just a simple set of rules that say how many achievements should be given and the number or points they should be worth.

Interesting if slightly simply written article.

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xboxlover - 473 days 19 hours ago

Do acheivements actually do anything?

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EastCoastSB - 473 days 17 hours ago

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KBDuB - 473 days 15 hours ago

No. Some are stupid. But, then it makes it up with having extremely hard achievements to get.

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wallace1000 - 473 days 14 hours ago

Achievements don't really mean anything. I guess if you wanted you could use them to challenge yourself. If you completed a game on normal then go back and do it on hard to get the achievement.

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Adamalicious - 473 days 10 hours ago

Who cares if they are "fair" - you just get them to get them. It's not like your gamerscore is actually worth anything. Should we expect an E rated family game to have achievements that are as hard to get as ones in Gears? Of course not - that's just stupid.

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tplarkin7 - 473 days 9 hours ago

You were able to see the status of an achievement before it was completed. For example, if you had to set 15 zombies on fire, you could access the menu to see the current number.

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MGL_Gamer - 473 days 7 hours ago

@Guitarded that's lie over here in mongolia xbox live is unavailabe but psn is available just think of it .
on topic for me trophy is collectable stuff for me.
and achaivment is useless i have many point but nothing to do.

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Asher6 - 473 days 4 hours ago

they are both good to have on both systems. they are the same, but also different. be happy we all have one of them (at least). we need to stop fighting amongst each other and just enjoy the games we have. we really need to get rid of all the bs on n4g. i love it, and im on it 569 times a day. there is nothing wrong with joking aroud and having fun with other fanboys (because in one way or another, thats what we all are weather or not we want to admit it.)

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Asher6 - 473 days 3 hours ago

about not doing a spell check. im stoned.

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equax - 473 days 1 hour ago

For those into bragging rights, trophies / gamer's score also contribute to replaying the game rather than letting it sit in the dust.

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Pain - 473 days 14 hours ago

By Miles.

Sony Innovated the hell out of it and gave us PS3'ers something not even close to being Copied but RE-invented to the moon and back.

oh and WOOO i got "that was some bug" aka a Gold in Warhawk!!! woo that was a hard one...

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Cajun Chicken - 473 days 8 hours ago

In the case of achievements and trophies;
Originally I thought Achievements were a great idea.
Which the concept indeed is as a system on a games console.
Now here's my complaints;
Basically there's far too many games which give Achievements just for completing a level or a section.

Now, read all of this before you say I'm BS'ing...
When I had Halo 1, because of the in depth engine and the crazy things you could do in it...Me and my friend invented a fun system we would note on paper called 'Style Points' and we set a certain amount of points whenever we did something insane we wrote down in our notes we had style points we gave each other for flipping over tanks, sticking multiple grenades on grunts and judging how far they fly, melees, taunting enemies in buggy elevators etc...

Crazily enough, when I heard of the Achievement system for 360 I could only think that lots of people saw the crazy things you could do in Halo on the XBOX and also invented a playful system like me and my friend did and MS took note of that.

I think Achievements and trophies should actually only be given just for doing insane things in games, not completing sections or levels, but instead things that were 'happy accidents' or just clever interaction of physics because some Achievements are something for nothing like a simple tutorial or pressing a button and these type of Achievements and in recent times, in trophies are growing.

Serious Sam 3 undoubtedly will contain some of the best Achievements and Trophies ever, so I personally can't wait for that because of the insanity of the XBOX version having points for carnage, combos and some fantastic secrets.

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caffman - 473 days 3 hours ago

then why do half the developers not bother with trophies but ALL 360 games have achievememts?
I'd ask Pain to answer but....well you know....the whole lack of bubbles thing

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Naked-Snake - 473 days 3 hours ago

Because MS force the devs to make achievements for every game, while Sony makes it optional and Achievement points have been out a lot longer than trophies.

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