PC World: Xbox 360 with Price Drop Still Generally More Expensive than PS3

fermcr - 491 days 1 hour ago

Does the 80GB PS3 come with the chip for backwards compatibility with PS2 games? Here in Europe i think the 80gb and the 160gb are the same as the 40gb, only diference beeing biger HDD space. So i don't think here in Europe the new PS3 will come with backwards compatibility.

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Parapraxis - 491 days ago

No, not a chip, it is emulated.
New 80GB & 160GB models replaces current 40GB (no BC for PS2 games) , the current 80GB has BC for PS2 games.

The only PS3 SKUs that have BC with a chip were the 20GB & 60GB models.

EDIT: fixed my error after diggin up info. my bad.

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mindedone - 491 days ago

I was under the impression that not even the 160GB would have BC

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marinelife9 - 491 days ago

Even the premium is only a good deal for one year. Once that next year of xbox live kicks in you have to pay another $50 dollars.

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xhairs9 - 491 days ago

I think the 160gb has no BC from what I've read in the past, but that could very well change.

The only thing I disagree with as far as the charts go is that he put a $50 charge for a microphone on the PS3. I've gone through 3 headsets (in which I broke from frustration of my internet) totaling less than $50. Any standard USB Microphone Headset will work with the PS3, just because it's labeled "For PS3" doesn't mean it wont work. Also, you forgot to dial in Bluetooth capabilities. PS3 features Bluetooth compatibility with keyboard/mouse/headset. Add one more the PS3 plus side.

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MNicholas - 491 days ago

After yr 2:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $620
Premium: $500
Elite: $600

After yr 3:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $670
Premium: $550
Elite: $650

After yr 4:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $720
Premium: $600
Elite: $700

After yr 5:

PS3: $470
Arcade: $770
Premium: $650
Elite: $750

The Xbox360 lacks in-game keyboard and mouse support, a web-browser, motion control (for games such as the revolutionary Mirror's Edge), has an inferior HDMI specification, and, most importantly, the 360 doesnt have the world's best performing Blu-Ray player.

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SpaZaA - 490 days 23 hours ago

However I sure hope the disagrees are for the 1 bit "(soon to be 160GB)" which I now see was an error.
The rest of my comment is 100% accurate.

They are comparing the lower end PS3 to the 3 models of xbox360, not the 80GB PS3 that has emulated backwards compatibility with most PS2 games as well as all PSone games, 4 USB ports and ships with a game as well currently MGS4 ($59.99).

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nickfr - 490 days 23 hours ago

That's the nice thing about the RROD, they'll ship you a new one every year. If you add the cost for a new PS3 every year the comparison looks totally different.

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Dyingduck - 490 days 21 hours ago

THEY DON'T GIVE you a NEW Xbox, moron, they fix the hardware of the OLD

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wallace1000 - 490 days 21 hours ago

Incorrect, depending on where you live they do not repair the xbox. Here in Canada they replace a faulty 360 with a brand new one.

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wallace1000 - 490 days 19 hours ago

Maybe instead of clicking disagree lets see if you have ever returned an xbox 360 under warranty in Canada, or maybe even own a 360?

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kevnb - 490 days 17 hours ago

however alot of people only see the price tag on the box.

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BWS1982 - 490 days 15 hours ago

the point is that PS3's don't fault to the point where you should be needing a new one each year....I'm no fanboy, I want to own both, but each has some drawbacks, depending on how you look at it though, maybe one has more than another.

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Willio - 490 days 14 hours ago

@SpaZaA :

"Very good comparison
It's to be noted they are comparing the lower end PS3 to the 3 models of xbox360, not the 80GB PS3 (soon to be 160GB) that has emulated backwards compatibility with most PS2 games as well as all PSone games, 4 USB ports and ships with a game as well currently MGS4 ($59.99).
Parapraxis August 28, 2008 10:33 AM PT"

-Taken from the 1st comment on original source.

@MNicholas:

"The Xbox360 lacks in-game keyboard and mouse support, a web-browser, motion control (for games such as the revolutionary Mirror's Edge), has an inferior HDMI specification, and, most importantly, the 360 doesnt have the world's best performing Blu-Ray player.
Mark02138 August 28, 2008 11:48 AM PT"

-Taken from the 3rd comment on original source.

At least freaking re-word it... fail at writing english papers i presume?

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TheExecutive - 490 days 4 hours ago

ok, so if you are really strapped for cash the 360 is a good way to get into HD gaming. If you want the best VALUE for your money buy a PS3.

OR you could buy the system that most of your friends have OR the gaming system that has the games you want.

Hmm, it seems like a personal decision.

Everyone knows that for the money you get a lot more in the PS3, straight out of the box.

PERSONALLY, I prefer the PS3 for the reliability of the hardware, the diversity of exclusive games, most of my friends have the PS3, the bluray player, free online, the PSN games (they are the best!), and I know the console will be supported for a long time.

But those are PERSONAL preferences and I dont presume to tell others theirs.

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wallace1000 - 490 days 4 hours ago

"Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

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SpaZaA - 490 days 2 hours ago

I made the comment on PC world as well. Bet you feel clever now huh.

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ruibing - 491 days ago

I agree with you. If it wasn't for the built-in wifi on my PS3, I wouldn't have been able to remote play so many games during the olympics (at least for the events I didn't care much for).

I also love the fact how open the PS3 is by using so many established protocols. Streaming music, hooking up any bluetooth headset, and working with one of my webcams. There are many of these features that are just a bit hard to justify into a comparison table, but they made the PS3 worth the purchase.

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tplarkin7 - 490 days 22 hours ago

When price is an issue, the 360 is much cheaper. For $199 plus $60 for a game, you can own a current console. It's the entry point that matters.

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majorsuave - 490 days 18 hours ago

What's the use for wifi?
This is a game console, I'm not going to bring it in the garden or on the kitchen table, and yes the cable modem is near the cable tv.

And that same tv has a media center pc connected to it for everything that requires a hard drive, and keyboard/mouse gaming as well.

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iceman2885 - 490 days 17 hours ago

Sure, you have you're cable modem near your cable TV so you can wire your 360 to the internet. But there are many many people that have their cable modem at their main computer which is in a computer room or away from their gaming console.

I know when I lived with my parents that's how it was, and I only had wireless internet in my room, which is where my ps3 and 360 where. So yeah, it doesn't matter for you, but I bet there are a bunch of people who wish their 360 had wireless so they didn't have to spend 90 bucks for a 360 only wireless adapter or go through the trouble and cost of getting an ethernet cable to their 360.

Just b/c its one way for you doesn't mean its the same for everyone.

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kevnb - 490 days 17 hours ago

the wii has built in nothing, no wifi, no ethernet, no recharbable battery pack, no dvd playback, and no component cables.

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waltercross - 490 days 17 hours ago

The Wii is targetting a Different player.

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SaiyanFury - 490 days 13 hours ago

@ 2.4

If you're looking for a cheaper solution to the 100 dollar Microsoft wireless adapter, and this is something that everyone here should read, look into a wireless ethernet bridge. It will make your Xbox 360 think it's hardwired into your router yet it will still be wireless. I did this with a wireless g-band ethernet bridge, and it works perfectly. And it's only half as muh as what Microsoft wants for theirs.

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baodeus - 490 days 10 hours ago

Why don't PS3 remove the Wifi (which you also need a wireless router in your house) to make it more affordable? I'm still using the cable by the way (since i don't plan to move the xbox around with me where ever i go.) While it is nice to have but it is not needed.

And Sony really need to charge people for online since people claim PSN is comparable to Xbox live. It doesn't make sense for people to work for hours maintaining, adding contents and other stuff that you might want for free. They work to support themselves and their family. I'm pretty sure they would appreciate it if they get some extra money for their work.

Jeez, so many kids on N4G. Go get a job, but don't get pay for it. Give everyone what they want for free. Don't think about yourself or your family "you don't need money".

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SaiyanFury - 489 days 23 hours ago

@2.8

Baodeus, are you totally bent? Why doesn't Sony REMOVE the Wi-Fi to make the system affordable? Maybe because wireless internet interfacing is like a 20 dollar technology? Maybe because not everybody has their console right beside their router? Oh and BTW a wireless router costs like 40-50 dollars. And for my own personal interest, why do you start ranting on about supporting your family? These are game consoles, not a mortgage for a house...

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Tobias123 - 491 days 1 hour ago

That's all well and good(I don't use Wi-fi myself), but for a good HDMI cable you only need to add about $15.

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IzKyD1331 - 491 days 1 hour ago

theres no such thing as a "quality" HDMI cable, a $10 HDMI cable works just as good as a $50 one, except the $50 one is longer, but since your console is always going to be like 1-2 feet away from your TV, a $50 cable is unnecesary....and you shouldn't even be talking, the arcade doesnt even come with HDMI....and wi-fi is necessary these days, try connecting your console to your modem from different rooms in the house and then talk.....and a large HDD is necessary too, an HD movie takes up ALOT of space....and SD movies take up considerable space too, but I dont have to worry because my PS3 has about 200 GB HDD, and I have more than 20 movies on it

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morganfell - 491 days ago

http://www.walmart.com/cata...

Better yet:

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

I have a 320GB drive in my PS3 and that space is needed. MS claims it isn't but I look at my 360 and by the time I get a few demos, some HALO 3 maps, and download 1 movie I am out of space. But my alternative is to buy a worthless 120Gb drive. Proprietary. I can get better than twice as much space on the PS3 for half the price.

MS should be glad they have been successfully lying to people about their HD movies. Anyone with at least 20/400 vision can see those HD movies aren't HD. Otherwise that 20GB...er...I mean 13 GB drive would really be worthless.

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Mr Bun - 491 days ago

Well put! Also I am noting that you have both consoles so you would know more about the pros and cons of each than most fanboys.

Nice jab with the formatted size at the end.

Bubbles.

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kinggeoff - 491 days ago

@ izky

so because wifi is necessary for YOU, we should ALL have to pay for it? I like how MS gives you options so I don't need to buy the sht that i...well DON'T need.

I'm glad the PS3 comes with the bells and whistles. That's what it's for. Top of the line tech in a sleek box. It's an amazing machine. that's why people buy it

@ morganfell

the MS movie downloads ARE in HD. The codec they used for encoding them is just lousy. They're still 720p in resolution, which is HD no matter how you slice it. Do they look as good as HDDVDs or Blu Ray movies? nope not by a long shot. But they are still in HD.

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mindedone - 491 days ago

for a (good quality) hdmi cable for xbox. I work at an electronics retailer and not even I would buy the garbage with my 65% discount.

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plain rice - 491 days ago

The HDMI cable the 360 come with is no different than the HDMI cables you buy at monoprice or Amazon for $5. I've tested Monster cables and cheap no brand HDMI cables and I can tell you there is NO difference at all. Tested on two of my high end tv sets. A Pioneer PDP Kuro Elite and my recently purchased Samsung 750 LCD. Both are 50" sets and are both professionally calibrated with the best possible configuration.

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kinggeoff - 491 days ago

a digital signal is either INTACT or NOT.

If your HDMI cable fails to work, return it.

The reason for the long assed monster cables is that as you extend the length of an HDMI cable, you require much better shielding materials and techniques in order for the signal to remain intact at the longer lengths.

for anything 3ft and under, a $5 or $10 is perfectly fine. If you pay more than that for a short cable, I feel sorry for your wallet

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morganfell - 491 days ago

Thanks for backing me up that 360 movies are not HD. True HD = 1080P

EDIT: It isn't a marketing term for my eyes nor for the eyes of many of the people in the general public. You can whimper all you want about the 360 but that is the sad fact. You can keep living in denial and that is your right. 1080p doesn't matter to most 360 owners except those that bought into the Microsoft Betamax HD DVD. Well I hate it for you.

You comments also do zero, ZERO, to negate the fact that the 20GB(13GB) version, you know the most prolific version, has little to no space available for anything once a few files and downloads are on the drive and a single sub-HD movie is downloaded.

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kinggeoff - 491 days ago

kind of crack?

now we're talking about "TRUE HD" (or FULLHD) which is just a marketing term pulled out of the air. I bet you think more Megapixels always means a better picture too... hahah soccer moms these days

please note: The term HD (high definition) is used for ANYTHING above SD and ED resolutions. 720p is HD

please do some research and pull your head from between your legs

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Too_Hyped - 490 days 23 hours ago

@kinggeoff : no, sorry, true HD is 1080p, in this planet. Go read on every site you find.

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mindedone - 490 days 22 hours ago

I don't get the disagrees. Either they BOTH need an expensive HDMI or neither do. Xbox doesn't include a "high quality" one.

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wallace1000 - 490 days 20 hours ago

The term "True HD" is a marketing term and nothing else. 720p and 1080i are also high definition resolutions.

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ruiner4482 - 490 days 20 hours ago

Or better yet how about $9.00 shipped priority mail.

http://www.monoprice.com/pr...

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rofldings - 490 days 7 hours ago

+1 on monoprice cables. People at AVS forum swear by them...

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Alvadr - 491 days ago

By default, the 360 doesnt come with any games either. Only with special bundle packages (as with the 360).

One thing you deffinatly do need for the 360 that you dont get is a battery charging pack.. WTF, i was utterly gobsmacked when found this out..

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The Lazy One - 491 days ago

It doesn't come with rechargeable batteries, so why would they put in the battery charger?

It would be a good choice to plop a play and charge kit in with the higher end systems though.

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MNicholas - 491 days ago

if you never do the following:

Play online with your friends
Download game demos
Want wireless online
Want to save new game data without having to delete your old saved games
Have music on your xbox360
Download movies

Even if you skip the hard-drive upgrade and wifi, you still spend an additional $250 over 5 years to play online with your friends.

Minimum bottom-line cost:

Arcade: $450
Premium: $550
Elite: $650

Owners of premium and the elite can download and play low-grade "HD" movies but are stuck with an outdated DVD drive, no access to a cheap and useful hard-drive upgrade (like a 500GB), and no wifi among other things.

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morganfell - 491 days 1 hour ago

Exactly. How long have I been saying this? From the beginning. ANd I haven't let up.

http://www.n4g.com/Redirect...

And apparently much of the public understands value as well.

Amazon Bestseller update:

PS3 80GB Rank 7
360 20GB Rank 93

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juuken - 490 days 23 hours ago

I agree.

You can buy a PS3 with everything in one instead of wasting money on separate things. I don't know how 360 fanboys can claim the 360 is still cheaper when you have to buy so many add-ons for a true 360 experience.

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Dyingduck - 490 days 21 hours ago

However, they totally forget to factor in 50USD dollar PER YEAR of LIVE.

Price cut = 50 dollars
One year of LIVE = 50 dollars

You save crap.

Oh wait, you want to play 3rd and 4th year on LIVE too?

4 years of LIVE = 50 dollars

+150 dollars, where's your dumb price cut now?

ROFL,

RIP,
Xbots

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Dyingduck - 490 days 12 hours ago

Let's forget which is the cheaper console overall (because, no duh, it's the PS3)
Let's focus on the games (present-2009) which matter not the SYSTEM, AM I RIGHT?

Xbox360 released games for this year:

lost flop = flop
flop dragon = flop
tales of flop = flop (7.25 from Game Informer)
too flop = flop
infinite flop = flop (7.1 from IGN)

Anticipated releases:

Banjo3 = Awful textures, bad game play, and now they've turned the game into a racer for 40 BUCKS. This will get owned by LBP 8 ways to Sunday
Gears2 = AKA Gears1.5 using the same old engine Unreal Engine 4 years old, 5vs5 MP
(See: http://i37.tinypic.com/1zvp...
Alan Wake = a myth (never seen ported on the Xbox360)
L4D = Ummm, N64 graphics anyone?

Compare to the anticipated released PS3 exclusives during FALL 2008:

HOME (free)
LittleBigPlanet (21 Oct)
Resistance 2 (04 Nov)
SOCOM: Confrontation (14 Oct)
BioShock with Exclusive DLC (21 Oct)
Motorstorm:Pacific Rift (07 Oct)
Valkyria Chronicles (11 Nov)

Keep in mind that these are ALL PS3 exclusive, unlike crapbox exclusives which also appear on PC (e.g. Gears1+Mass Effect)

Anticipated releases (exclusives) in 2009:

God of War 3
Heavy Rain
M.A.G. (256 MPs!)
KILL ZONE 2
White Knight Chronicles
InFamous
Uncharted 2
Twisted Metal
Final Fantasy Versus XIII (maybe 2010)
PS3 exclusive from the legendary Team ICO

What does Crapbox360 have to offer in 2009? Halo Power Ranger Wars…

Wait, what about your beloved FFXIII?
You can only get the true FF experience on the PS3:
PS3 = Lead platform for FFXIII, and has been since 2005.
PS3 version = On a 50 GB Blu-ray disc, uncompressed.

In addition:
1. Exclusive FFXIII demo in March 2009 on PS3
2. Exclusive FFXIII in Japan - for you Japanese speaker to port since no regional lock unlike the crapbox DVDs
3. Exclusive FFXIII Versus on PS3
4. Exclusive FFXIII Agito on PSP

The 360 version is a port. So I really shouldn't be calling it a "version" at all.
The 360 PORT hasn't even gone into development.
The 360 PORT will be on multiple DVD's and it will “probably” STILL look worse than the PS3 version (e.g. RAGE)

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B-Rein - 490 days 11 hours ago

totally agreed my friend only a retard would disagree to that.
This is the FACT that i was tryin to get to people. XBOX 360 is genrally EXPENSIVE compared to ps3.

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nieto - 491 days 1 hour ago

$50 if you're going to buy a Monster Cable HDMI but you could find some other brands of HDMI for less than 20 dollars...

so that kills your comment.

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IzKyD1331 - 491 days 1 hour ago

you posted the same thing in the gamer zone, all HDMI cables are the same

EDIT: guess what, I found a 3 foot HDMI cable for 6 bucks
http://www.firefold.com/Pro...

do some research first

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Cajun Chicken - 491 days 1 hour ago

Did I forget Blu-Ray? Region free, unlike DVDs?

Also getting a new H/D for PS3 is much more cheaper if you need the space then Microsofts overpriced 'Harddrive Mem Paks' for about £50 each or over depending in capacity.

Built in Wi-Fi is brilliant if you have Wi-Fi and saves £60 for a wireless adapter that only allows downloading and no online gaming with friends unless you fork out £30 on the 360 for Live!

HDMI gold plated cable and DVI-HDMI for PS3 converter £10 in total

Not waiting for previously overseas game releases and importing them to play on your PS3...
Priceless

Not mentioning the £20 Play and Charge kit for 360 that allows you to play games without running down to the shops to spend £5 on good quality batteries!

Price of my 60gb EU PS3 from last summer ready for online gaming and needing no more peripherals bundled with Resistance, Motorstorm and two Blu-Ray movies and a spare contoller chucked in, capable of emulating most PS2 games? £425

Price of my 360 purchase from last summer with nothing else but a headset and a battery demanding controller with free heat and loud annoying DVD-Drive fan noises? £350

I also have a 20gb 360, but seriously...it eats money like a hungry mouse in a cheese factory and I refuse to give MS anymore or £30 just in order to play online with my friends who own the same console!

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ruibing - 491 days ago

I have no idea where any of you guys buy HDMI cables that cost that much. Just buy the third party ones on Amazon for $10. While quality does matter, it only makes a difference at long distances, so a cheap HDMI is fine for 3-6 ft (the shorter the better).

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Dyingduck - 490 days 21 hours ago

HDMI cable costs 6 bucks on newegg.com

Oh, did you forget to factor in 50USD dollar PER YEAR of LIVE???

Price cut = 50 dollars
One year of LIVE = 50 dollars

You save crap.

Oh wait, you want to play 3rd and 4th year on LIVE too?

4 years of LIVE = 50 dollars

+150 dollars, where's your dumb price cut now?

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nsky171 - 490 days 13 hours ago

Wifi saved me $20 on CAT5 cables.

Like most people my WIFI Router is in my room near my computer.
My PS3 is in my living room. So inorder for my PS3 to get online I'll either need to get long CAT5 cables and wired it along the walls from my room to the living room or just use the built in PS3 wifi.

The wifi works greats and it save me money and hassle. Perhaps we need to add the cost of CAT5 cable for the xbox 360 because 100 feet CAT5 cable don't come free.

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nieto - 491 days ago

if you're the type of person that like to take risks then go and buy an x360 that could go RRoD in any moment and with its online that make you pay to play games with lag. on top of that it's the only console with HD capabilities that still uses DVD as the media storage. in other words a dying console that it is standing on its last leg thanks to its out-dated hardware.

that sounds good if you ask me. /sarcasm ;-)

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robbo918 - 490 days 17 hours ago

I for one tend to disagree with your attempt to slam the PS3 about the "playing" comment. Not only can I play TONS of games (the no games on PS3 line is more dead than all those RROD machines we know about) but I can watch the best movies in Blu-ray...appears you are the one on the short end of the stick as well as bus.

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Cajun Chicken - 490 days 23 hours ago

Droids for value who got fed up with the all reining 'Sheriff of Nottingham' called Microsoft.

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Draperc - 490 days 23 hours ago

If I remember correctly, you need to have an xbox live gold account to play games like halo 3 or gears of war online. And more people buy the wireless adapter than you think, cause nobody wants to drag a long a** cable through their house just so they can play online. I'm glad the PS3 has built in wifi, cause the only computer we have is downstairs in the basement, my room is up on the second floor. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would look if I had a 25+ foot cable going from my room to the basement? It's not just stupid looking, it's also dangerous.

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Cajun Chicken - 490 days 23 hours ago

Whats really great is the fact I can go on that PC World article on the PS3s built-in web browser press Triangle and actually SAVE the image onto my PS3s harddrive!

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morganfell - 490 days 22 hours ago

Agreed. And just think, first the PS3 bursts in and takes the graphics crown and now it is taking the price crown too. There have to be some mad, living in denial 360 owners out there.

EDIT: The above actually needs to be revised. First the PS3 burst in and took the Next Gen removable media crown, THEN stomped on the 360 and took the graphics crown, and now the PS3 is taking the price crown.

Meanwhile the 360 has the HDDVD Doorstop crown, the "I double as a toaster" crown, and the "SOL for storage space" crown. Oh, and the "We nickel and dime you to death" crown. Can't forget about that one.

Latest Amazon Bestseller update

PS3 80GB Rank 6
360 20GB Rank 87

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B-Rein - 490 days 11 hours ago

Lmao ahahahhahahaha

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juuken - 490 days 21 hours ago

Just keep spinnin', just keep spinnin'...spin, spin, spin.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 490 days 20 hours ago

You are never going to win with these full time PS3 salesmen. They will always make it seem like the grass is greener. The best thing to do just like a used car salesmen on the car lot just ignore them and hope they walk the other direction.

Like I said below the many people I know waiting to get a 360 aren't even considering the PS3 at all. So despite how much they ramble on about the system they just don't want one.

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juuken - 490 days 20 hours ago

And I know a few people who are getting PS3's because it's worth the money. They don't like spending extra cash on stuff that's built all in one on the PS3!

Spinmasters! Do your thang!

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Cajun Chicken - 490 days 19 hours ago

1. You buy one for cheap or you enjoy the games for what they are on a SD TV instead of being a graphics whore.

2. You play the games and use your imagination, believe it or not, many years ago rumble would be seen like black magic.

3. Y'know PCs? Those actually accept different hard drives when they get full up; same concept here. You can back up all your data on an external USB hard drive anyway.

4. How do you get Xbox Live Arcade games without paying for them, oh wait, that's right, games COST MONEY.

5. You transfer the game save onto an everyday data stick using the many ways you can transfer and view data on PS3. A duh.

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Rampant - 490 days 8 hours ago

Nothing constructive here, as I thought.

1. Well then add a few extra dollars for the hdmi cable.
2. The xbox360 features rumble, to get rumble on ps3 you need a new controller. add a few dollars.
3. So, you need to buy a 40 gb "pc" harddrive.... or a USB-device.
4. They are actually included in the arcade model. 5 psn games aren't included with the ps3. More moneys.
5. So you buy a data stick for a few dollars?

And juuken. Spinning is what the ps3 "we will overtake the 360 by christmas -07" are doing. I'm just antispinning your fanboy propaganda =)

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juuken - 490 days 6 hours ago

Oh Rampant...you accuse me of spinning when you're doing the most spinning as well!

Stop trying to justify the 360 price tag. It's not really helping your case.

Good to be a PS3 owner! :]

That's why I prefer the Playstation brand.

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nsky171 - 490 days 3 hours ago

1. HDMI cable is cheap around $5. How much does your CAT 5 cable cost for your xbox 360 that you must use to connect from your room to your living room inorder to go online. Or ther otherway around if you place your router in the living room? More than $5 that's for sure.

2. you can still play all games without rumble. So you don't need to rebuy any controller if you don't want to. I can preform all the needed moves and combos just as good with a sixaxis or a dualshock They all come with rechargeable batteries too. How much does a xbox 360 plug and charge kit cost $20?
Oh the other hand, xbox 360 d-pad is extrememly bad for fighting games and they are releasing one with a better d-pad.

3.at the end of the year Sony is releasing PS3 with 160gb harddrives so I guess you really don't need to buy it. or if you already have a PS3 ,a 120gb harddrive is under $50. But a xbox 120gb is $179. For the PS3 I can upgrade to a 320gb harddrive if I want for a very good price, xbox 360 have no option what so ever. I can also resale my old hard drive to PC users and console users, since it's standard sata.

4.PSN games, I haven't download any so I don't know.

5.portable memory unit?, you mean like the xbox 360 memorycard that can only be use for the xbox 360 and are sold at rip off pricing?well sony can use standard memory cards. The ones you already have for phones, cameras, etc. Compact flash, SD, Memory stick, pro duo,etc. ad long as you have a adpater it will work with any memory. Can you use your xbox 360 memory card for your phone, PDA, laptop, etc?

6. actually you can, I got a PS3 for $200.
Sign up for Sony creditcard = $100 off
Walmart was selling PS3 for $400 with $100 giftcard
Some Bestbuy was pricematching Walmart.

Using the Sony creditcard and buying a PS3 from walmart or Bestbuy at the time = $100 off creditcard + free $100 giftcard = $200 PS3, wifi, blu-ray,40gb.

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juuken - 490 days 20 hours ago

The 360 had a pricecut and the PS3 still outsold it.
How do you explain that?

People want new IP's, innovation and creativity. They don't want to see the same sh*t over, and over, AND over again!

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Cajun Chicken - 490 days 19 hours ago

"If grandma is buying her grand son a machine to play games on she isn't going to give to craps about Blu-ray or any of the other stuff."

I can tell you, she isn't buying a 360 full of prolific violence encouraging games either; Wii for that kid.

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Obama - 490 days 11 hours ago

"Believe it or not some people just want a machine they can put a game into an play it"

How can those people enjoy the games when their 360 crap out on them?

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Rampant - 490 days 8 hours ago

... Because the ps3 had 2 pricecuts within a few months?
Because MGS4-bundles were still selling like hotcakes? (You know, Sonys biggest exclusive).

Oh, and about "people want new IPs, not the same crap over again". Final Fantasy THIRTEEN, Metal Gear Solid FOUR, Ratchet & Clank FIVEHUNDREDANDSIXTYTHREE, Gran Turismo FIVE... You know, the best selling and most awaited games on the ps3;)

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juuken - 490 days 6 hours ago

"... Because the ps3 had 2 pricecuts within a few months?"

That's because of production costs jackass. They also got rid of BD in order to help with that as well. The 360 had pricecuts because Microsoft knew they were losing against the PS3 and there was little reason to own a 360 anymore. Microsoft was starting to get nervous and when you get nervous, you tend to do *drastic* things.

There's a huge difference between that.

"Because MGS4-bundles were still selling like hotcakes? (You know, Sonys biggest exclusive)."

The MGS4 bundles *are* still selling like hotcakes. Nice, clever way of flaming the PS3 but you're failing miserably as usual.

"Final Fantasy THIRTEEN, Metal Gear Solid FOUR, Ratchet & Clank FIVEHUNDREDANDSIXTYTHREE, Gran Turismo FIVE... You know, the best selling and most awaited games on the ps3;)"

LITTLE BIG PLANET
HEAVY RAIN
EYEPET
SAVAGE MOON
FAT PRINCESS
WHITE KNIGHT CHRONICLES

*Those* are new IP's moron! How about doing some research first dumb ass bot!

Why are you bots so stupid?

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Rampant - 490 days 5 hours ago

Yeah, when Sony does it it's because of "production costs", when microsoft does it, it's desperation. Just like when Microsoft launches Lips, they copy everything, and when Sony launches Trophies, nobody cares.

Oh, and:

Gears of War
Braid
Bioshock (timed exclusive)
Mass Effect
Left 4 Dead
Alan Wake
Lost Planet
Dead Rising

No new IP´s for Microsoft, eh? =)

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Draperc - 490 days 4 hours ago

Gears of War = Mindless TPS game.
Bioshock (timed exclusive) = 1 year old FPS game.
Mass Effect = Another mindless shooter.
Left 4 Dead = Zombie themed mindless shooter.
Alan Wake = God knows when this'll be out.
Lost Planet = Yet another mindless third person shooter
Dead Rising = Good game, but not new.

The PS3 has more EXCLUSIVE NEW games that aren't first or third person shooters. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who's getting tired of mindless "shoot 'em up" games. I'm even starting to get sick of Call of duty 4 now. Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, just a few games to look forward to that aren't mindless shooters.

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