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Rare dev: 'I don't think 360 has reached its limit'

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at the Develop conference in Brighton last week, Nick Burton, a senior software engineer at Rare, has assured Xbox 360 gamers that there's plenty more to come from the console.

"You never can push them as far as they can go. The reality of the peak performance of the console is yes, you could look to a generation beyond where we are now and think, yeah, I could use that power. But the reality is in 360 and the PS3 and the latest generation PC graphics, the amount of power in the GPUs is such that you're more bound by your creativity and the aesthetic you're going for than you're really bound by polygon pushing power," said Burton. "You're probably actually more bound maybe by art authoring and the amount of data throughput that, just the amount of memory you'd need, but I don't think 360 has reached its limit."

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Chandresh Patel - 518 days 23 hours ago

1 - Oh quit the nonsense,here are two clear as day facts;

FACT=The Playstation 3 is harder to develop for than the Xbox 360.

FACT=The Xbox 360 DISC SPACE is a GROWING PROBLEM for Developers.

If you think Lost Odyssey being on 3 Discs isn't a clear indication of a DISC LIMIT being reached,wait until you hear how many Discs FF13 will be shipping on for the Xbox 360.

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TheHater - 518 days 23 hours ago

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LO was four disk.

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Chandresh Patel - 518 days 23 hours ago

1.2 - See?

I couldn't even accurately tell you how many Discs it was on because I forgot about 1.

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Gam71 - 518 days 22 hours ago

1.3 -

What does that have to do with the article?

Did you even read it or did you see the word limit and thought it was about disk space?

Read it next time, they're talking about hardware limits not disk space.

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devilhunterx - 518 days 22 hours ago

1.4 -

The cow is a lie?

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Larry Fine - 518 days 21 hours ago

1.6 -

used to be harder to develop for

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marinelife9 - 518 days 21 hours ago

1.7 -

Sounds like he isn't sure if the 360 has reached it's limit or not.
Must be getting pretty close to the max.

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DeadIIIRed - 518 days 21 hours ago

1.8 - Hmm...

If this guy is telling the truth, then why haven't I seen anything on the 360 in a year that raises the bar on graphics? C'mon, 360 owners should have something....anything to be more excited about than obtaining a TIMED Ps3 exclusive.

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power of Green - 518 days 21 hours ago

1.9 -

The disc space is a growing problem but some how the PS3's architecture etc is not?. lol

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Gam71 - 518 days 21 hours ago

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Fable 2 GoW2 etc.

Stop looking through those sony tinted glasses. There are plenty to be excited about.

You all have to drop this mistaken belief that 360 owners are somehow jealous of the ps3.

It's like me saying all ps3 owners have to look forward to is a 1 year pld 360 game.

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shazam - 518 days 20 hours ago

1.11 - @1 technically

both of those statements are opinion statements

@1.9 POGins

the ps3 architecture is a shrinking problem in my opinion

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Montrealien - 518 days 20 hours ago

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One disc games is very convenient, I like it. Do I care if a game needs to be on a few discs sometimes? absolutely not.

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wallace1000 - 518 days 19 hours ago

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But is disc space really a problem when they can put a game on multiple discs? I have said it before and i will say it again, Baldur's Gate was a fantastic game and that was on 5 discs. Then again i am far from lazy so i have no problem changing discs :-)

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Kaneda - 518 days 19 hours ago

1.14 - Gam71

disc space is the problem for developers to push 360 to the limit!

Above me.. Just imagine all games that comes out for 360 requires you to switch discs everytime you play. That will be hella annoying. Maybe a few games will be okay. But all 360 games.. that will be stupid! but the games that only on a single disc. It will not take full advantage of the 360. So, this generation 360 will not even run to its full potential..

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power of Green - 518 days 18 hours ago

1.15 - shazam @1.11

That is because you're a PS3 fan and you benefit from the lowest common denominator multi platform development method.

PS2 owners will be dazzled by the PS3 visuals, they don't know any better(including exclusives).

Devs are concerend about PS3's (G)raphics (P)rocessing (U)nit and System RAM, the Video Card in PS3 doesn't help either.

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wallace1000 - 518 days 17 hours ago

1.16 - @ Kaneda

Honestly switching discs wouldn't bother me. I am used to it from computer games. I remember when sim city 2000 was on floppy discs and i had to switch those out :-P.

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DeadIIIRed - 518 days 17 hours ago

1.17 - It's Not About Being Lazy

Having their players get up and change disks isn't the concern of developers, its the cost of publishing a game on more than one disk and the loss of quality by cramming everything on the least amount of disks to save money.

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Rob0g0rilla - 518 days 16 hours ago

1.18 - Devs can get use to PS3 architecture

But being limited to only 7gbs for a game is a bigger problem. Games get bigger and developers will want to save money by using lesser discs which could lower the quality of the game.

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RememberThe357 - 518 days 15 hours ago

1.20 - Hey guys...

...1up has a pretty good interview with John Carmack of id. In the interview he talks about how MS gets royalties for each DVD, or something like that, so it coast more than just the disc to put a game on more than one disc. You guys should watch it, the guy knows his sh*t.

http://www.gamevideos.com/v...

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vdesai - 518 days 15 hours ago

1.21 - @1.15

Look I dont think you have any idea of what you are saying. First of all developrs dont care about he GPU btw you mentiond it twice, Video card is the GPU and there is no problem with it at all the only difficulty is the architecture itself its a derivative of PPC, with a mix of a CellFS (file system) which has never been used to create games. What developers really worry about is the SPEs because most developers dont know how too multithread properly let alone multithreading on 7 SPEs. Its a shrinking problem because knowledge can be expanded, but existing hardware is not. Now im assuming you didn't know this, but if you did you belong in the Open Zone. Yes contrary too popular belief the PS3 has 512mb of memory just like the 360 except its split into two pools, 256 for the system, 256 dedicated video memory. Now if you have ever used a computer you know that that can be changed very easily.

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Sitdown - 518 days 15 hours ago

1.22 - @C.Petal

Hahaha......why did you give us the fact that the ps3 is harder to develop for? Okay...your point is?

Ohhh, and did we forget that the disc space is a null issue......1.)Because it is not difficult to change out disk. 2.)Did Microsoft not say you will have the ability to download to the hdd?

Which then that brings me to the point....if you look at the new dashboard coming, the ability to download to the hdd.....if indeed the 360 has or is reaching its limit......what do we know about its ability to evolve and push its limit further back?

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vdesai - 518 days 15 hours ago

1.23 - @sitdown

Ok you still need disk in the drive when you install too the Hard drive and the problem is that not all xbox 360s were shipped with hard drives or very little hard drive space. Remember the shorter the time it takes for you to install the lower the compression ratio. Im assuming Microsoft just went with imaging the disks not compressing it. Now if the games are DVD9s, which are about 8.5GB if you put two thats 17GB now if you do the math you can see this isn't really feasible for the people who bought the cheaper systems.

Also could those who disagreed with my previous comment comment on why they disagreed with me that would give me a chance to carry on a conversation.

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DeathroW22 - 518 days 9 hours ago

1.24 - I wish...

People would stop using the 'Xbox 360 will need more disks for this game blah' crap. We have been swapping disks since the ps1 (maybe earlier but i can't remember) so why all of a sudden are we starting to argue this?

Don't take me as some xbox fanboy, because infact i've always prefered my playstations to my xbox's (Owned both xbox's) i'm just a playstation type of guy.

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BWS1982 - 518 days 6 hours ago

1.25 - I feel it's prudent to reiterate what 1.17 said, but to expand

that it's about costs in a big way. Both consoles have great attributes....but it's very expensive for a publisher/dev to make a 3+ disc package, the royalties, etc...It's very expensive. I don't really know if this has affected games coming to the 360 thus far, as it's not really shown it's in need of a faster paced growth to it's catalogue, so perhaps it's not making a difference, but my point is it's very much about money and a lot less about disc swapping, which many of us are used to.

Anyways, on the topic of the article, which is more about hardware, not media, I tend to agree...I went to the Art Institute outside Chicago, and have a Media Arts/Animation degree (B.F.A.)...artistic design and knowhow as well as finding workarounds can extend the lifespan of something very well, technically. A ceiling is eventually a more pertinent issue as time goes on, but the 360 hasn't hit that ceiling IMO. Although I'll admit that there's been lately a slow increase in graphical showcases, from what I've seen in the pipeline, there's more to come.

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jmorph9 - 517 days 23 hours ago

1.27 - The real problem ...

is that now everything needs to be installed to the hard drive. For the ps3 it is because of disk access speed, for the xbox it is because of DVD space limitation.

The real problem for the 360 is the 20G hard drive most users own, and the fact you can not upgrade for a reasonable price, or without the hassle of transferring your saved game data. Even 120G sounds a little small for the future.

The ps3's real advantage is larger drive space, ease of upgrade, and not being locked in by a custom drive. The 360 disk drive are over-priced and too small.

P.S. I own a 360 and not a PS3

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Kaneda - 517 days 15 hours ago

1.28 - wallace1000

Wallace.. I did say a few games are okay.. but if most the games that require you to switch disc that will be annoying.

yeah, PC no longer required to switch disc. Install on the HD. :)

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Omega4 - 518 days 23 hours ago

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Art style will always trump technical prowess. Having the most powerful machine doesnt always guarantee the best looking games

Which is why as long as there are creative devs out there the 360 can still produce better looking games than the PS3 even at the end of both their lifecycles.....also having the better GPU helps as well

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idontcare - 518 days 22 hours ago

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eehm. ps3 has the best looking games.

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NO_PUDding - 518 days 22 hours ago

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No seriously, technically the PS3 has better looking games.

And not only that, the 360 developers have no games that boast great art style. The most impressive art style in the industry is still Shadow of the Colossus, and Team ICo are Sony first party.

The most visually impressive games will always been on the PS3 until the next generation.

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SL1M DADDY - 518 days 22 hours ago

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When it comes to reviews, many authors have stated that some of the best looking games are on the PS3. MGS4, Uncharted, SS:HD, and GT5:p all look awesome and have been subject to claim as the best looking console games ever made. I am not saying it’s because of the hardware as that is something we will have to see as time passes but that is just what I have read on the web from some pretty respected review sites and magazines.

Both consoles have their give an take. Take GT5:P and Forza 2 for instance. Both look great but it is common knowledge that GT5:P looks far better than Forza 2 but Forza 2 has damage effects and apeals to a different crowd. It's a give and take and we won't know what console can put out the best graphics for years to come.

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PimpHandStrong - 518 days 22 hours ago

2.6 - better looking games you say?

well Uncharted and MGS4 both look better then anything on the 360

I guess you must mean multi-platform games look better on the 360??! maybe yea? Thats what your saying?

Thats not really true anymore so what are you saying when you say the 360 has better looking games!

you can keep telling yourself the 360 has better looking games but the only game that comes close is Gears of War and thats still the best looking game in 3 years on the 360!

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SuperM - 518 days 18 hours ago

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You dont have to be a sony fanboy to see that the best looking ps3 games has the edge over the best looking 360 games. Dont get me wrong, Gears of War both looks and plays great. I have it on my pc and it is a very very good game, but it is not as visually impressive as uncharted and MGS4 yet it is the best looking game on the xbox. When it comes to driving games you would have to be crazy thinking anything else then GT5P being the best looking game on the market. And Ratchet and Clank is the best looking platformer. This is not about talking crap on the xbox, this is just about saying it as it is. If the xbox had the best looking games then i would say so. I dont have a problem with that. Neither should any xbox owners have a problem with ps3 exclusives looking slightly better then the xbox games. After all the ps3 is more expensive, so naturally it should have tech with a higher potential performance. Even Gametrailers, known for their biased comparison videos (Assassins Creed and GRID in particular) admited that uncharted was easily the best looking console game when it was released. If you dont believe me just check the review.

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Bangladesh - 518 days 16 hours ago

2.10 - @idontcare Pimphandstrong SuperM SlimDaddy

Here is a game that looks as good as any ps3 game in existence. And to boot, the 360 version of this game looks better than the ps3 version. Oh, and it's a first generation 360 game.

And I'm not done yet, I've got a couple more vids to show.

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Bangladesh - 518 days 16 hours ago

2.11 -

I think you idiots knew this one was coming.

edit- Here is a game with nice graphics and a beautiful art style.
http://www.gametrailers.com...

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Bangladesh - 518 days 16 hours ago

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Another great looking 360 game.

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Bangladesh - 518 days 14 hours ago

2.13 - So

Where are they Pimphand? Suddenly don't want to talk anymore SuperM? What about you Slim Daddy? Huh, No Pudding anything you want to say?Where are these uber fantastical ps3 games that shame the 360? Here I'll post vids of your ammunition Uncharted and MGS4.

http://www.gametrailers.com...
http://www.gametrailers.com...

After watching the 360 vids that I posted, are you idiots HONESTLY trying to tell people that the 2 games above couldn't EASILY be done on 360? I'll be waiting on these "uber" ps3 games that you guys keep telling people about, because I KNOW Uncharted and MGS4 aren't them.

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vdesai - 518 days 14 hours ago

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Technically the PS3's GPU is better it runs at 550MHz while the 360's GPU runs at 500MHz. PS3 games do look better no matter what you say what excuse you give it may be a matter of opinion. Don't pay attention to just what you play look around look at the foreground the background and then shading and lighting. But the problem that not all 360s come in full HD capabilities. When you don't include an HDMI port you have too worry about those consumers who didn't get the HDMI port.

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Bangladesh - 518 days 14 hours ago

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Tech jargon means absolutely nothing to me when I can see the end result with my own eyes.

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vdesai - 518 days 14 hours ago

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I was correcting omega64 about the GPU not saying it has any adverse effects, but games look better if you dont feel that way im sorry I havent convinced you im sorry im not paid too do that, wait a second im not paid at all im just stating my opinion. Any how its ok some may prefer a different look then others but technically speaking games are better on the PS3. If you dont care about techno jargon I guess we could just say the PS3 is better then the 360, if you don't like techno jargon then there is no way for you too back any opinion while I do. Im sorry if I hurt your feelings but if you have ever played a game on the PC you know all that matters is the techno jargon. Crysis is the best looking game period, because it requires the best hardware too run.

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Bangladesh - 518 days 13 hours ago

2.17 - lol

Fair enough, you can look at a piece of paper and Say the ps3 is technically better. And I'll look at the actual games produced and SEE that the ps3 is not.

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vdesai - 518 days 13 hours ago

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Maybe if you watch the trailers in HD you may notice the diffrence.

Uncharted:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

MGS4:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

GT5P:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

GeoW:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Forza:MS 2:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

How did a "glorified demo" trump the full release of Forza makes you wonder dosent it. Maybe if you open your eyes yes the 360 is a decent system maybe the games can be created to match the quality of the PS3 visuals but there are no games that exist currently that surpass or even match the quality of these games. You cant tell how good a game looks by playing it through composite, or by playing a minime flash video. Its like comparing videos of these games on youtube.

Maybe this will jog your memory of how gametrailers likes to fuel things.

GRID:
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Edit: At below don't compare multi-plat ports because they were not coded for the PS3 they are not bug free no multi-plat game looks better on either system. NO MATTER WHAT GAME IT IS. There maybe a difference in sharpness, etc. but no difference in the visual quality. These are statements made by fanboys which are not true at all.

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snyper831 - 518 days 13 hours ago

2.19 - 360 equals anything ps3 can do

have you people noticed most multi platform games look better on the 360 than ps3 am I right???? Sony fans brag that games like uncharted and gran turismo have graphics the 360 cant match am I right??? Have you wonder how would those games look if they were made on the 360???? exactly the same if not better just like any other port.Please people get over it ps3 and 360 are equal on the graphic side, is not fair comparing gran turismo to forza 2 developers were aiming different goals as you can see forza has a damaging system something gran turismo is lacking have you wonder why??? It takes a lot of hard work implementing it and because of it it takes a hit on the graphics. Sony on the other hand went crazy throwing double the poly count for every car at the cost of excluding a damaging system and lowering shading texture quality on the backgrounds, the results, really beautifull looking cars at high resolution.As far as metal gear solid 4 Konami developer has said the game can be done on the 360 on multi discs ofcourse.My point is ps3 is not what sony is trying to make believe it is,both systems are equal capable of producing amazing graphics get over it fanboys get a life...................

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devilhunterx - 518 days 13 hours ago

2.20 - @bangladesh

Pakistan RULES!

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Zhuk - 518 days 23 hours ago

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Xbox 360 games look better than PS3 games, they also run better than their PS3 counterparts, even after significant optimizations for the PS3s architecture the games still look and run inferior. Therefore, the Xbox 360 is more powerful based on the simple evidence that games look and play better on it than the PS3.

Technically, we know that the Xbox 360s GPU is more powerful than the PS3s. Also, the Xbox 360 uses unified shaders and memory and this allows the video to have access to the whole 512mb of RAM on the system , unlike the PS3 which only allows the GPU to use an insufficient 256mb. Also the PS3's firmware uses far more memory than the Xbox 360s dashboard, which does far more than the XMB for less. This allows more memory to be used for gaming than rather for non gaming processes. Then we must look at the infamous CELL processor, which has been proven that it is an inferior processor for games because of the nature of its much touted SPEs, whose capabilities are limited. Compared to the Xbox 360s 3core processor and its multithreaded architecture, the Xbox 360s processor simply put is far superior for gaming applications.

What we can deduce from these facts is that the Xbox 360 is the most powerful gaming console ever created.

What makes it really simple is to just compare the games, which system runs the games better and which system has the best looking games.

The answer is the Xbox 360.

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San anto - 518 days 23 hours ago

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shhhshshshshshhhhhhhh

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Kratos Spartan - 518 days 22 hours ago

1.2 - Zhuk is weak...

and the fanboys fear my name...

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NO_PUDding - 518 days 22 hours ago

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Angry cus you'll need to buy a PS3 soon?

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juuken - 518 days 22 hours ago

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...No.

Okaaaay, let me say that again.

NO.

Five times!

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!

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PimpHandStrong - 518 days 21 hours ago

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What makes it really simple is to just compare the games, which system runs the games better and which system has the best looking games.

COD
Burnout
GTA
Oblivan

i have read ppl think these games look and run better on the PS3

MGS4
Uncharted
HS
MLB The Show

we can deduce that these games look better then anything on the 360

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Ali_The_Brit - 518 days 20 hours ago

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ah hush now you sad pathetic fanboy, go on, into the corner and play with your 360

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Pain - 518 days 20 hours ago

1.8 - lolRare!

when u make Ugly kiddy games for XBOX ...sure sky's the limit of there Fugtastic developer ability.

Make a Real game then talk.

and @Zhuk. do u even know what those console specs even mean? or u just copy paste what u thinks
looks bigger?

cuz if u did its PS3 hardware >>Xbox2 hardware. games speak for them selves and we not talking crappy xbox 2 ports.

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abcdog1000 - 518 days 19 hours ago

1.9 - zhuk READ THIS

the thing is that developers are bearly unlock the true potental of the ps3. the xbox 360 was out for a full year before the ps3 so developers real got the hang of creating games for it, but therejust learning howto use the cell processor. the game that used of the ps3's power was uncharted which only used 30% and still looked better than any game on the 360. now that developers are understanding the cell they are devoping games for the ps3 first.

BUBBLES

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Fernando8777 - 518 days 19 hours ago

1.10 - @zuk

good thing hes not a fanboy

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KBDuB - 518 days 18 hours ago

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Okay.. first of all, don't mention Oblivion as looking better on the PS3. It came out like 8 months after the 360 version..

And, Uncharted looks great, but I think the 360 has some games that look better. But, I will agree only about MGS4..

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Egzekutor - 518 days 18 hours ago

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Youre talking about those crappy games that come out from devs that dont have a clue how to code properly on the PS3. Take a look at those skilled developers who develop for PS3 exclusively..

Can you remind me which 2 games will look worse on 360 because of the POOR DVD disc ??

One of them is DOOM4 , the other is ... find out for yourself.

I agree with that DEV... you can push XBOX 360 even further but im sorry you wont have the right disc to push it on, because its DVD..
You could do that if you made a 5 minute game..

XBOX 360 games look and run better ?

I wouldnt be soo sure about that.. take a look at B:BC.

You are comparing your crap XBOX 360 exclusives to PS3 ?

Resistance 2
Killzone 2
LPB
Siren
Heavy Rain 3
SOCOM
MGS 4
M.A.G ??

You will see graphicly similar games from EA etc soon enough .

Please b1tch, stop lying to yourself , I know your defending you crap old gen consoles by all means but if youre going to right that kind of bu1lsh1t, then do it in your mind because it makes me sick.
360 already going down to 199, why ? Because its loosing pretty badly, they will soon give it out for free just to get more people.

Cheap sh1t. Thats all i have to say.

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JBaby343 - 518 days 17 hours ago

1.13 - LOL

I seriously am cracking up. I love your comments zhuk. Please don't ever leave N4G. I needed that. I love the one down below too with all the AAA games.

Too funny. If no one has ever read zhuk's comments before read them. Seriously they are great. They never let you down.

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Jason 360 - 518 days 15 hours ago

1.14 -

All these droids in the denial boat, only they don't know it has a hole in it.

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Darkwolf - 518 days 8 hours ago

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Ive said it before and i'll say it again..ZHUK YOU ARE A W@nker..
the shiit you dribble is just beyond comprehension..we all know the 360 hit its limit when the first game for it was released..

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Mr Marbles - 518 days 7 hours ago

1.17 - Zhuk

has more brains in his left pinky than all of the idiot Sony leg humpers on this entire site combined.

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LoVeRSaMa - 518 days ago

1.18 - @Jason 360

The Denial Boat Sails faster then the Fail Boat tbh.

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fufotrufo - 518 days 23 hours ago

2 -

Zhuk..even thou ..i agree with you..you are going to get killed by angry ps3fanboys

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Hellsvacancy - 518 days 22 hours ago

3 - 'I don't think 360 has reached its limit'

neither do i - the 360 can/will get even more sh|tty

and who cares wot u think Zhuk loooooooooser

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59fifty8 - 518 days 22 hours ago

4 - yeah well

i do and ps3 games are now starting to look better look at cod4, sc4 and grand theft auto plus ps3 games are better i mean ninja gaiden is alright but compared to hevenly sword not to mention god of war, plus the ps3 is more powerful the games look better and play better look at mgs4, u guys lost u suk.

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RAM MAGNUMS - 518 days 22 hours ago

5 - 1 game!

please name the 1 game that looks better than
the ps3 exclusives please.
Phuck copy & pasted tech specs, we all know cell is
the best but please, I'm begging you xbots...
name 1 game!

I'm waiting!

Nothing? Stfu & gtfo!
you liars!
xbox360 is maxed! Why do you think its even a
topic?
duh?!

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Zhuk - 518 days 22 hours ago

5.1 -

Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Kameo, Viva Pinata, Ace Combat 6, PGR 4, Forza 2 and countless other AAA Xbox 360 titles look better than anything on PS3, and that is not including all the AAA exclusives that are being released this year such as Fable 2, Too Human, Gears of War 2, Banjo 3, Viva Pinata 2 and many others which show the Xbox 360s clear technical superiority over the PS3, accomplishing things that the PS3 would never be able to do.

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FAQS - 518 days 21 hours ago

5.2 -

Q: Halo 3???????
A:...........
Q: Viva Pinata????????????????????????
A:.............
Q: Banjo kazoie???????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ??
A:..........
Q:Kameo?????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????? ???????????
A:......................
Q: PGR4 and Forza2????????????????????????
A:.........................
Q: and countless (?) other games that you don't know the names (or don't exist)?
A:.........................
Q:AAA games?????????? Against MGS 4, Uncharted, GT 5, Tekken 6, God War 3, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm, Ratchet Clank TD, Little Big Planet....!?
A:....................
Q: Are you serious?
A:...........................

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59fifty8 - 518 days 22 hours ago

6 - ok how bougt

hevenly sword, warhawk, resistence fall of man, uncharted drakes fortune, and metal gear solid 4, yeah
and for the new ones like
resistence 2, mag, tekken 6, god of war 3, and killzone u know i dont like u or xbox 3fixme

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Ts-shio - 518 days 21 hours ago

6.1 -

Xbox 3fixme LOL!!!!! i prefer PS3 thanx

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PS3Diablo - 518 days 22 hours ago

7 - With the uninspired games Rare are creating it's no wonder they can say this...

It's not like Viva Pinata and Banjoo are good looking games, they are mediocre at best, obviously when you create games with such sub-par graphics you imagine the system can do more... reality is, Gears 2 will have maxed out the system's potential.

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59fifty8 - 518 days 22 hours ago

8 - yup

BUBBLES FOR U MY FRIEND

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The real killer - 518 days 22 hours ago

9 -

Zhuk, be real please.

"Xbox 360 games look better than PS3 games, they also run better than their PS3 counterparts, even after significant optimizations for the PS3s architecture the games still look and run inferior. Therefore, the Xbox 360 is more powerful based on the simple evidence that games look and play better on it than the PS3"

There is no evidence what you are saying, only words by 360 developers use the 360 as lead platform ;)

"Technically, we know that the Xbox 360s GPU is more powerful than the PS3"

What a crap answer you gave here, the RSX is also very powerful and yes more poweful than you think.

Do you know the RSX is more powerful than Xenos?
They did not full test with the RSX to the max.

It's a very and very powerful chip just like the cell, but only the cell works with the RSX. Even without the Cell is the RSX very powerful ;) more than you thin about it :)

the two GPU's are just fine.

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morganfell - 518 days 21 hours ago

9.1 -

Don't bother arguing with him. He thinks he knows more than John Carmack who certainly disagrees with him. He is like the captain of the Titanic insisting his ship isn't sinking. The guy is a turd in the pool of gaming and he needs to be strained out and tossed in the toilet.

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59fifty8 - 518 days 22 hours ago

10 - listen plz read

pgr4 suk, doa4 suks, halo 3 suks, ace combat suks, viva pinata suks, banjo suks, kameo trash, forza garbage, and what dats it the only gud xbug game is gears.

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fufotrufo - 518 days 22 hours ago

10.2 -

you suck

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KBDuB - 518 days 18 hours ago

10.3 - @59fifty8

You're trash.

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59fifty8 - 518 days 22 hours ago

11 - im a droid

and proud cause my system is better and urs suk haha ur losing

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Ts-shio - 518 days 21 hours ago

12.1 -

gears 2 does look the same, it has some new features but nothing to awe about and will get boring QUICK!!!!

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fufotrufo - 518 days 22 hours ago

13 -

some guys here expect to be taken serious with a freaking ps3 in theirs names.. btw ..Viva Pinata looks beautiful on my LCD..rare graphics are clean ,sharp , highly detailed

Edit Rply:

well ..you said they are mediocre at best..and i highly disagree i don't expect an old game like viva pinata to push a system graphically ..but its one of the best example of beautiful graphics in its genre.. far from mediocre

as for Gears Of War 2 reaching the system limit ..im going to say stfu because you don't know anything or have proven facts to support that statement ..you don't work in a gaming company ..neither develop 360 games to be taken seriously .. nobody here knows..especially in N4G ..a site flooded with PlayStation fans and full of gaming PR trying to discredit other consoles to get more sales

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PS3Diablo - 518 days 22 hours ago

13.1 -

just because I have PS3 in my name doesn't mean I don't or didn't own an Xbox 360, I actually purchased a 360 on day 1 and sold it last december. I played Viva Pinata and the game was addictive but don't tell me the graphics where breaking the systems graphical barrier, you'd only be fooling yourself.

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morganfell - 518 days 21 hours ago

14.1 -

Well the 360 is limited to 4 years. That's what MS does with consoles and fans, 4 years and it's onto the trash heap.

He can't stand the fact that the PS3 is outselling the 360. It irks him so much and now he just lives in a state of constant denial. The best thing to do, and the thing that will hurt him the most is to put him on ignore. Let's all raise that record number - 262 ignores. That has to take the cake.

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PimpHandStrong - 518 days 21 hours ago

15 - lol

i love it

MS has brainwashed Zhuk so hard that he is saying Vina Penisata and Banjo are AAA graphic monsters

hahahahahaha

When Ninja Guiden looks better on the PS3 after more then a year b4 the 360 version i would have to say the 360 is maxed out!

I guess you will see it more after Gears of War comes out and ppl are talking about how fun 8ppl co-op and 60ppl online is with Fall of Man.

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PimpHandStrong - 518 days 21 hours ago

16 - Hirmuma

The PS2 maxed out at God of War and MGS3

thats not 8-9 years

in fact its more like 5-6

Edit add on
360 came out in Nov of 05

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PimpHandStrong - 518 days 21 hours ago

17 - well ok

i see ppl disagree with my point about PS2 maxing out with God of War and MGS3

please tell me what games came after these that looked better?

anyway yea

The 360 might be close to max but that doesnt mean the games are bad...

I said this to a friend months ago

If COD is what games will look like for the next 4 years i would be HAPPY with that!

Now MGS4 looks better then COD but COD still looks awesome!

All im saying is just because you think your close to max doesnt mean a REAL good dev still cant blow your mind

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KBDuB - 518 days 18 hours ago

17.1 -

People disagree with you because you are an idiot, and are no worse, nor better than Zhuk. You're just as blind as he is.

But, I do agree with what you said in *this* post. I'd be happy if the games from now on looked like CoD. But, I don't care too much for graphics, I prefer game play, so graphics could look worse than CoD and I'd still be happy.

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