Outrage over GTA IV problems

HighDefinition - 564 days 5 hours ago

It would happen.

Anytime anyone "fenes out" on any 360 game, you elevate your chances of RROD. It`s hard for the 360 to handle 6-7 plus, hours a day.

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SCThor - 564 days 4 hours ago

...Too many hours of a Hi-demanding game take the X360 to the limits quickly. Expect more dead X360, and more protests as December get near (when the first batch of consoles lose warranty)

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Capt CHAOS - 564 days 4 hours ago

No probs here playing from Friday eve to Sunday, 30+ hours of play with the console staying on for the entire 55+ hours..

But I thought it was a heat buildup with lower voltage countries.. There is a formula somewhere on the net..

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Sega Saturn - 564 days 4 hours ago

My 360 has been on since Sunday, it still is. I'm going out now and have left it downloading The Brave One in HD.

Also the simple fact is, this is nonsense. I know of not one single person that has had problems with GTA4 on the 360.

Forums should be taken with a grain of salt. As I could go to the same forum and start a thread about how Robert Mugabe loves playing Haze Co-op with Phil Harrison. Complete Bullshit yet so many would beleive it.

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HighDefinition - 564 days 3 hours ago

That`s great, but the point remains....360s overheat and get RROD. That comes w/ the system being on for long hours. So what ever your trying to say is irrelevant.

GeoW did it to ALOT of 360s, HALO3 did it to ALOT of 360s, GeoW2 will do it to ALOt of 360s. Don`t take it personal, that`s what happens when a system has hardware problems.

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xhairs - 564 days 3 hours ago

@ captchaos: I never once had to look up any tools/tips/kinks I could do or read about for my PS3. Just sad.

@segasaturn: That my friend just shows us exactly how ignorant your really are. That's like saying because you didn't see that lady get hit by a bus, she didn't get hit by the bus.

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Tempist - 564 days 3 hours ago

So was that the reason and for giving the game 98-100%? Way to go reviewers. Way to go...

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sleepbox - 564 days 3 hours ago

Technical issues != gameplay issues because they don't affect all gamers. Unlike the issues ALL gamers will experience in MGS4

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dan-boy - 564 days 3 hours ago

i know people who've had a few consoles, but then i know plenty who haven't. doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist because it clearly does.

although, my first premium, over two years old and still going strong. has seen more than a few 14+hour gaming sessions without respite! same with the friends who have indulged in those sessions aswell. my elite has done a few 6+ hour gta sessions aswell. and the other day did a 10hour gear day aswell.

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HighDefinition - 564 days 2 hours ago

The RROD is NOT a "thingy"

It`s a Epidemic and a massive problem.

Sorry, I`m not attacking you. I`m just saying.....

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Jack Meahoffer - 564 days 1 hour ago

RROD and GTA IV have nothing to do with each other. Like the tons of rabid Sony fans have pointed out in this thread playing long sessions on 360 models prone to RROD and you'll get RROD no matter what game you're playing. Everyone knows RROD is a huge problem posting these flamebait "articles" over and over so Sony fans can feel superior is stupid. I'm happy with both my PS3 and 360 because of the games. I'll deal with possible RROD in order to play the games I want to play.

As far software lock ups... we all know the PS3 has far more problems. So you one console Sony zealots need to slow your roll in this department.

GTA IV is by far the best open world game EVER CREATED. There is no question. The haters just let the hype blow their expectations out of proportions. That's their fault. No game walks on water and cures cancer...

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BattleAxe - 564 days 1 hour ago

I knew this would happen, I knew that GTA4 would cause some XBOX 360s to get the RRoD.

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harrisk954 - 564 days ago

"Unlike the issues ALL gamers will experience in MGS4 "

What does that mean? Are you implying that PS3s have some sort of hardware issues? B/c at less than 3% failure rate, you can hardly say there is any issue there. Or are you saying that MGS4 itself has issues? A game that is probably going to be one of the highest scored games in history?

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deeznuts - 564 days ago

The issue he is reporting is that nobody will be able to put down the controller (except during cut scenes ;)

Massive worker productivity losses ensue

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dle - 563 days 22 hours ago

It is a myth that the 360's motherboard and its chips get hotter the longer the system is played continuously. The 360's motherboard and its enclosure should reach its average operating temperature rather quickly, less than 10 minutes after the machine is turned on. This average temperature will be fairly constant for the duration of the game session, spiking occasionally during heavy load scenes.

Think of this as turning on your baking oven. It takes several minutes for a typical oven to reach its intended temperature. Once that temperature is reached, it stays there. The only to increase the oven temperatur is to dial up the knob.

In the case of our videogames system, the most common way sudden heat spike occurs are 1) during heavy-load scenes (like dialing up the knob) 2) hotter room temperature 3) failure of heat dissipation components (fans, heat sinks, etc..). In no way leaving the system on or playing for extended period of time causes the systems to overheat.

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Rofflecopter - 563 days 20 hours ago

got the red ring within the first day of playing (it was on for 13 hours..), so i sent it in the next day and bought the PS3 version. Ill nab the 360 version again when DLC comes out if its any good.

RROD does suck, but ill find ways around it. not that it will matter when MGS4 comes out.. :D

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ocha84 - 563 days 19 hours ago

360 + GTA IV = RROD did 360 users really not c this coming?? seriously~ and how are u going to play exclusive DLC when ur 360 is off gettin fixed??? PS3 all the way~

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ECKOo9 - 563 days 18 hours ago

Stop commenting that their is no problems. My frickin PS3 and 360 both broke because of the game and both started right after the first date which is only about ten minutes into the game.

And holy F****** S*** help out your fellow gamers so they can get refunds for the consoles. I have to pay about 300$ to get of my consoles fixed. Stop being selfish 360 and PS3 fanboys and admit their is a problem. Help someone out you D-****!

Lastly your precious rockstar, sony, and microsoft have all admited to me their is a problem after I submitted a complaint to the better business beau or however you spell it. I might even show the prow if you stop being such idiots about this. I hate fanboys!

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I LOVE my xbox - 563 days 18 hours ago

The RROD problem needs to be fixed badly.

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thereapersson - 564 days 6 hours ago

Come on man, at least try to add constructive comments to the article.

Or post in the Open Zone....

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Jamie Foxx - 564 days 5 hours ago

you need to take some anti-biotics for that case of 'i cant take a joke' syndrome you have.

what the hell,i am a neutral gamer who enjoys games my comment was in jest not serious JEST,so no openzone was not needed i have never and will never post negative comments about 360 hell i just been praising 360on reports that the NG2 demo is amazing.

so unloosen some buttons and take a deep breath

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Palodios - 563 days 19 hours ago

You need to take some antibiotics for your face! OOOH, I kid, I kid.

As I just pointed out, a sense of humor is a bad thing sometimes, heh. But yeah, RROD kinda sucks, and there isn't really an easy solution.

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damrightfresh - 563 days 19 hours ago

RROD all over the world soon microsoft fanboys will think twice buying a crappy cheap gaming system..

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KingME - 563 days 18 hours ago

It's funny how these story lead to the same conversation on this site. How long has GTAIV been out, and did the RROD happen before GTAIV was even out, and Didn't the PS3 have freezing probs with this same title? Why is this sh!t news (AGAIN).

Is the gaming community that desperate for news that this craps has to be rehashed.

And look at the PS3 Fanboy jump in like a pack of wolves on a bloody carcass. Ridiculous!

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beavis4play - 564 days 6 hours ago

they really dropped the ball with this one. won't be pre-ordering another one and will wait several months after gta5 launches to get full scoop on game. rockstar and reviews can no longer be trusted.

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Silverwolf - 564 days 6 hours ago

I said the same thing when the game came out (and got bashed for it). The best liberty city was GTA3, period. I ended trading this game of the 3rd day. Extremely over hyped piece of trash!!!!

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iNickk - 564 days 5 hours ago

I agree, for some reason it just doesn't have the lifespan of the other GTA games, even with multiplayer..

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Diugu - 564 days 4 hours ago

GTAIV is a big letdown.

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Xakep - 564 days 4 hours ago

I finished GTAIV with quite the empty feeling because I got both endings and I was let down from what the reviews were touting to say the least. Despite what the reviews would have you believe, achieving that didn't require a complete second playthrough either just utilizing 2 save files. Afterwards I went back and started San Andreas again and DAMN, GTAIV has the feature set of GTAIII in comparison and oddly missing Rampages.

I don't know what happened in their "streamlining" process, but they took all of the mission variety and the fun of the open world with it. A lot of the amusement in SA for me came from the fact that your character was a work in progress, he has stats and over time grows and becomes more effective in all aspects of the game.

You could play SA for hours before actually doing the first mission just for raising CJ's stats and money for properties alone. Part of that was me breaking off from the main storyline to do any of the countless activities that would have a positive effect somehow.

It appeared as if they took a large amount of that away in GTAIV and replaced it with the TV and the Internet. Deep as they are, I grew tired of them quickly as the shows started to repeat sometimes constantly back to back and the stuff I actually wanted to watch (did America's Next Top Hooker EVER come on?) didn't show that I was aware of.

Let's not forget the mission variety, I was still in my "OMG GTA4!!" haze until I got off of the first island, then everything started to seem more and more familiar. Then it was to the point that every mission that happened, had already occurred in the game somehow or in the past games but better.

An example would be arguably the most memorable mission of the game, the bank robbery. It was pretty cool on its own until I remembered "uh I did a heist in San Andreas didn't I?" Then I started to think "wait, the heist in SA was way more involved and detailed than this". It was actually around 5 missions that were integral in pulling off the heist.

Grabbing the blueprints, tailing that BDSM freak chick for the card, knocking out the city's power source, grabbing an armored truck, getting a sky crane for the armored truck, and finally the heist. I wouldn't have even had to think about it if the hype wasn't built up so much that had me expecting more.

I mean I read some things saying the game was the pinnacle of the open world genre, how so when they cut things out from the prior games? I knew they were trying to streamline some things from their last game, but I thought they would take a page from Rockstar Vancouver and go the Bully route. That was another beast that in a lot of ways in enjoyed more than SA, and the world was still a bit more compelling than the new Liberty City.

A game that got as many perfect scores as it did, I was expecting more than the 30 something "go here, kill this guy, call me when you're done" missions. IV was a step back to me, so I guess here's looking to whatever GTA4 sub game they come out with next that puts everything back to where it should be.

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Jack Meahoffer - 564 days 1 hour ago

You're obviously totally biased. You mention game reviews so you're obviously somehow hurt that your master MGS4 has gotten worse reviews that GTA IV.

Also you obviously didn't play very far into GTA IV or you would know a lot of your complains are baseless regurgitated talking points put out by GTA IV haters that also never played the game.

You're a bandwagon hater nothing more. You never were a GTA fan or you wouldn't continue to spread FUD about the best open world game ever created. You're probably one of those delusional whiners that thinks open world GTA IV should look better than close linear COD4.

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Xakep - 564 days ago

He's right dude, it was lavished with 10s which would make one think that this game is going to be the best GTA ever. Then when you play it, it's a stripped down version of the games before it and that's a damn fact that can't be disputed. Seriously go pair it up with the past games and outside of the requisite graphical upgrade (which I'm not counting), the television, internet, and the cell phone, the other games have more gameplay mechanics in place.

After you get to the halfway point in Algonquin it just becomes Mafia Errand Auto, which is something I thought they'd have gotten away from already seeing as how EVERY GTA after III somehow takes a turn that way (except I haven't finished Vice City Stories yet).

The first 3rd of the game is stellar, until you realize that the emperor's clothes are fading quickly.

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Dragonfood - 563 days 21 hours ago

@ Jack-You seriously need to calm down. For one thing this is not about MGS4, this is about GTA so there is no reason to flame a completely different game in an entirely different genre. If you were comparing lets say Saints Row or any other sand box game then you could have some merit in your post.

@ Xakep- I completely agree with you regarding the lackluster mission structure and complete lack of things to do. Every mission on foot can be done with a well placed sniper rifle or grenade. Every car chase mission is incredibly easy once you have free aim down, shoot the tires then the gas tank, repeat, rinse. Even the horrible London:1969 version seems to have more variety. Yes the bowling, darts, TV, ect.. are a fun distraction but one can only take so many pigeons and unique jumps. I miss the rampages, house purchases, planes, the army. I still don't understand why they kept planes out, it seems to me that the area was plenty big enough for at least a single propeller, but i digress. Also, to me the humor seems to have gone away in my opinion, except for Brucie :). Now i know i am going to get disagrees for this statement but oh well. I do think the city itself is graphically impressive, the immersion is incredible, but I sure do miss the old color palette. It seemed more cheerful for all the horrible things you do. I will leave you all on a final note: R* can we please get some seat belts!!!

Edit: Just to let you know I am no hater in any way shape or form. I love GTA. I have completed everyone created to 100% and this is the first one that I really dont feel the need to finish all the way. Also this is the only GTA I have not been arrested once in, the cops are way to easy. To me SA takes the cake on gameplay, and Vice City takes the story line.

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RememberThe357 - 563 days 19 hours ago

But don't take this as me saying the game is any good. It's great. While I was playing I kept wanting it to be GTASA with better graphics. But after beating it I finally have a hole lot of respect for the game. The ending of this game was one of the most emotional videogame endings I've seen. I was totally immersed in everything that was going, and I was completely satisfied with the ending. But Rockstar has yet to top the awesomeness that is Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

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agentace - 563 days 19 hours ago

would you and everyone else stop moaning that it could of been better the fact is that it couldn`t because the disc was full so stop bashing rockstar they did there best with what they had to work with and mircosoft hurry up and make a blu-ray xbox so games can move on,blu-ray is massivly needed for games now.(but its totally pointless for movies the movie would have to be like a week long for it to need blu-rray lol)

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crck - 564 days 5 hours ago

I have a close to launch 60gb ps3. Manufact date 1/07. I play 35+ hours of GTA 4 and finished the game. Not one single freeze.

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prunchess - 564 days 5 hours ago

I've had one freeze on my 60 gig launch model Euro PS3 and I'm roughly 49 hours played.

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boodybandit - 564 days 5 hours ago

I haven't run into one issue with my 60g PS3 but a friend of mine had issues with his 60g PS3 version of GTAIV. The irony is he got his 60g from the same exact batch that I got mine from. He was behind me in line when we picked them both up.

The absolute only differences is we got the game at different locations (different states) and he is using wifi and I am wired to PSN. So it is either the copy of the game (a bad batch) or it has something to do with online (maybe a router issue or something). Who knows. I am just speculating of course.

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waldopepper - 564 days 5 hours ago

Exactly. I'm so tired of all these "just bought #### and it made my 360 RROD" - it's the crappy hardware that's at fault.

If you had a poorly made digital camera that broke when you took a picture of a puppy, it's not the puppy that's at fault, it's the damn camera!

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shrimpboat - 564 days 4 hours ago

You can't even play an epic game like GTA IV with out getting a RroD

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waldopepper - 564 days 2 hours ago

Um actually you can - I've been playing it for weeks without RROD.

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thereapersson - 564 days 5 hours ago

Hype in this day and age is getting ridiculous. Even back in the days of the PS2 and XBOX, things were never this bad...

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thereapersson - 564 days 5 hours ago

Grow up.

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thereapersson - 564 days 5 hours ago

Of course the PS3 doesn't have "RROD", but it DOES FREEZE UP as reported in numerous other news articles.

Some people were even reporting that the game crashed their console completely.

edit: I should have known better than to try to talk sense in the open zone...

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GodsHand - 564 days 4 hours ago

LOL, some people don't like the truth. But I have the PS3 and had freezing/ loading problems. It seemed to me that is was only when I was signed in the PSN. If I logged out no problems. Since the patch I have not had the problem again, other them some frame rate issue.

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timmyrulz - 564 days 4 hours ago

Bit of a dumb statement considering the ps3 has massive freezing problems in comparison to the 360 version
Freeze beyond

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syanara - 564 days 4 hours ago

actually the ps3 dosen't have a red ring of death and it's failure rate is only 0.02% compared to 33% or 16% which BOTH are still extremly bad! you see the ps3s problems are all fixed now. as for it freezing up I can say this. I would rather have a console that only a percentage freeze up rather than a console where a percentage completly fail.

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Mr Playboy - 564 days 3 hours ago

they are spreading Bull$hit Again, If the rumors are true, at least we got a full HD GTAIV 720P Not an Upscaled Version 620P lol

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insomnium - 564 days 3 hours ago

"But I have the PS3 and had freezing/ loading problems. It seemed to me that is was only when I was signed in the PSN. If I logged out no problems. Since the patch I have not had the problem again, other them some frame rate issue."

It was EXACTLY the same for me. No problems with offline play if logged out of PSN (before the patch). No probs anywhere after patch.

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Homicide - 564 days 1 hour ago

"B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but only the PS3 version has problems," cries the 360 fangirls.

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Dacapn - 564 days ago

Yeah but the game doesn't cause the PS3 to die.

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Pain - 564 days ago

but we all new there would be MASS RROD's because of GTA.

Bet Lots where from those Repaked referb EU 360's

But ITS TIME!!!!! XBOX DEFENSE FORCE ACTIVATE!!!!!!!

spin~

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step3741 - 563 days 16 hours ago

ay im a strong supporter of xbox 360 and it freezes up on ps3 too but honestly i figured it was something wrong with my 360 before i read this

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morganfell - 563 days 14 hours ago

thereapersson,

ps3s don't die when gta4 freezes. end of story, end of your argument. have a nice trip.

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Oner - 564 days 4 hours ago

That is an excellent point of which I have been saying the past few days to people....how is it, a game with ACTUAL problems gets high scores (10's etc) but a game like MGS4 (not even released yet) gets a couple of mid 8's because of an install time or a cut scene length (of which have not been 100% confirmed to be 90 minutes long?) My guess is the cut scenes total or surpass 90 minutes.

I've played through GTA4 and the first couple of days I was all into it but towards the end I was sick of the inconveniences to get the ACTUAL story line to progress. Not to mention the occasional death towards the end of a LONG mission only to have to start at the beginning (progress check point saves during gameplay anyone?).

I don't get why there is SOOO much public bias in gaming news media nowadays? Whatever. It won't stop me from doing MY OWN due diligence of proper research to make an un-biased review of my opinion on GREAT titles that others try to downplay or the other way around....

Edit: Agree & bubble for you TS

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shrimpboat - 564 days 4 hours ago

GTA IV on the Xbox 360 has alot of frame rate issues and doesn't look as good as the PS3 version but that is not what the problem is here. The problem is the Xbox 360 hardware so stop blaming the game. Yeah there was some problems with game freezes on some PS3's but I never saw this issue. Over all this game is great. IK can't believe that all these misinformed people keep buying The Xbox 360 knowing that it may fail multiple times when you have a choice to buy the PS3. Maybe not enough damage has been done yet. I hope by the holidays people will be more informed and know to stay away from the Xbox 360. Hopefully consumer reports get a hold of them.

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themyk - 563 days 11 hours ago

i just think it's funny how when the ps3 was having freezing issues. all the bots were in here talking about how much they are enjoying playing gta4 flawlessly.

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 564 days 5 hours ago

Think he meant the PS3's GTA4 Freezing problem??? The only problem with the PS3 GTA4 Freezing problem was that there wasn't a problem!!!
I know a lot of(REAL)people who played the PS3 version and they never had the problem??? Strange that??? ;-D

+Sorry i'm on the xBox 360 bit...Sorry! I'm Trying to only stay on the PS3 News;) (even tho pp,mart,mart2,pog etc etc are always on the ps3 bit???MGS4 News anyone???) ;-D

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sl0w-m0 - 563 days 16 hours ago

"Think he meant the PS3's GTA4 Freezing problem??? The only problem with the PS3 GTA4 Freezing problem was that there wasn't a problem!!!
I know a lot of(REAL)people who played the PS3 version and they never had the problem"

Thats irrelevant, because I can honestly say the same thing about the 360 version of GTA IV since none of my friends literally never had any problems with it, and some of them have played it alot more than me. I'm not calling you a liar, i'm just saying just because you know a couple of people that don't have any problems doesn't mean it's a fact and it's not a credible enough news source to debunk all the problems others are having

Anyways I think this article is retarded. I've never seen proof that a specific game can cause the Xbox 360 to RRoD, if anything it will just RRoD on its own anyways (which is still sad) but that doesn't mean theres any problems with the games.

The PS3 version had genuine bugs (for some people) which they've hopefully fixed by now but atleast thats not as retarded as having HARDWARE issues with your Xbox 360 and blaming it on the software causing it. Honestly this article sounds like it was written by a bunch of butthurt Sony Fanboys who got ripped on when THEY had problems with GTA IV, give me a break

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shrimpboat - 564 days 4 hours ago

You can blame Rock Star all you want if it makes you feel better, but the fact of the matter is that the Xbox 360 simply cannot handle long hours of play without melting the soldering on the main board and when they dry the 360 might work again or it might give you a Red Ring o Death when you turn it back on. So stop blaming GTA IV because I have yet to here anyone with a PS3 say that there system won't turn on after hours of play. I have left my PS3 on for months at a time and everytime I hit the power button it turns on/off with no problem. What is a Xbox 360 owner to do when your warranty runs out. I have a Xbox 360, (actually Im on my third) and a PS3 but when the warranty expires on the Xbox 360 I am selling it or trading it in for Store credit toward PS3 games this fall.

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shrimpboat - 564 days 4 hours ago

Sony has a great warranty and less than 1% actually have to use it but hmm, I believe around 30% - 40% of Xbox 360 users have used the Warranty so far so im sure you know all about there warranty.

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twoface - 564 days 3 hours ago

Well timmy, if you put it that way, then I'm proud and glad to say that my other 2 consoles have a lifetime warranty against this particular problem known as RROD

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Dacapn - 564 days ago

You would be familiar with what it looks like.

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juuken - 564 days ago

Were you born a freakin' idiot or something? Why do you think that every report regarding the 360 is a hate-filled agenda by Sony fans? The 360 a flawed system. The only thing it has going for it is solid software. MS should have remodeled the 360 from scratch. I've heard of freezes on the PS3 with GTAIV but I have never heard of the system completely dying like that.

Stop avoiding the fact that MS ripped you off already.

You sicken me.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 563 days 23 hours ago

Wow, congratulations on your award for biggest full of sh!t post of the year.

Now here is a turd necklace, wear it with pride fishhead.

POS3 Sucks!

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Xlll - 563 days 18 hours ago

@Crab don't be mad your GTA Freezes. You can always upgrade to PS3. Yes we had some Freeze issue that effected a 1-2% of GTA discs on PS3. But that was quickly fixed with a patch. You know like the one you didn't get. Why you ask? Well thats simple, R* and Take Two don't like you or your flop box.

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Kleptic - 563 days 23 hours ago

ha yeah...it freezes on the 360 now, like it did before the patch on the PS3...only problem though is that once the 360 version freezes...its premanent, and spreads to all 360 games...

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GiantEnemyCrab - 563 days 23 hours ago

Aren't you a keyboard toughguy! Let me guess you are about 12 yo right? You fit the POS3 owner to a tee congratulations.

Funny, I doubt you would say that to a persons face because it would lead to you getting your head cracked open.

PS: The POS3 fvckin sucks!

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Xlll - 563 days 18 hours ago

"Funny, I doubt you would say that to a persons face because it would lead to you getting your head cracked open." Oh yeah you a real badass crab. B!tch you couldn't hurt a fly.

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pimpstation - 563 days 14 hours ago

Fo real dude. I'm in LA too. Let's hunt this fool down, strap him to an xbox 360, and then plug it in. He'll burn to death in a few minutes. Got that crab? That's how we roll wit the PS Triple.

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trancefreak - 563 days 21 hours ago

Roflmao: great breakdown literally muuhaaaaaa

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