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Rare on Banjo: "We're not competing with LittleBigPlanet"

VG247: Salvatore Fileccia, lead programmer of Rare's Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, has said his game isn't in direct competition with Media Molecule's LittleBigPlanet, despite the two platformers sharing a passion for furthering the genre.

"I don't think we're a competitor," he said. "I think, obviously, we compete in a completely different dimension; we're 3D, they're 2D. I mean, I don't know the complete details of LittleBigPlanet, obviously, but I'm pretty sure the two games are going to be pretty different."

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Fishy Fingers - 575 days 14 hours ago

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Personally, I don't see anything competing with LBP. In terms of user generated content and freedom of expression it's in a league of it's own.

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Jenzo - 575 days 11 hours ago

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If anything is "competing" with LBP, this is the closest you'll get =)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Fishy Fingers - 575 days 11 hours ago

1.2 - ^

I have Crayon Physics, it's fun, but it's no LBP. Incredible physics engine for such a small app though.

"Phun" is also another nice little PC app if you wanna play around with physics. http://www.vrlab.umu.se/res...

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NO_PUDding - 575 days 11 hours ago

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2D?

Well I think it's stil pretty much 3D. Maybe Sidescrolling, may have been said... but it's hardly 2D.

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Superfragilistic - 575 days 10 hours ago

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LBP is a 2D platformer because you can only move in two dimensions (x and y).

Banjo is a 3D platformer because you can move in three dimensions (x,y and z).

This just further illustrates how different these titles actually are.

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callahan09 - 575 days 10 hours ago

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Watch more videos. LittleBigPlanet is more 2.5D, you can move in more than just the x & y axes. There is a z axes of depth as well, but it's not very prominent. Watch some of the videos where you see things being placed in front of and behind other things, and the sackboys going behind or in front of various objects.

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ki0365 - 575 days 9 hours ago

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its a good thing theyre not competing, because they would lose. clever rare

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Chitown71291 - 575 days 6 hours ago

1.7 - Correction

"We can't compete with LittleBigPlanet"

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callahan09 - 575 days 6 hours ago

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I absolutely love it when people here disagree with comments that do absolutely nothing but mention facts.

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KnaveX - 575 days 14 hours ago

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Itd be dumb if they were, no offense to the Banjo series but seeing the vehicle emphasis it now has with this game and the layers of depth :BP haas it would be a very dumb thing to do.they have similar texture styles and its good that Rare has straightened this out.

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sinncross - 575 days 14 hours ago

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its really because they cant

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DEADEND - 575 days 13 hours ago

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Of course they're not competing with LBP it's only because they know that they can't.

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KnaveX - 575 days 13 hours ago

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Anyone wanna help me out here? Use whichever you guys pick and just copy paste

1) Well I find no value in your comment

2) If sackboy could be killed within a first person view that would be totally acceptable right.

3)You have no creativity therefore you dont count.

Personal Opinion (you dont get to copy paste this one!)

LBP has nothing to do with exclusivity, therefore your theory is incorrect, I would be equally as interested in LBP if it were for 360 (but you know thats not gonna happen b/c of how closed MS is with 360) because of its depth and expression, its just a totally different genre. No its not mario sorry.

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butterfinger - 575 days 12 hours ago

5.2 - LOL @ Presentist

Why would you waste your time by coming in here and just hating on a game when everyone else was being pretty positive. Sounds pretty sad to me. However, your opinion means nothing to everyone in here, so I'll just keep being excited about the new innovative IP that is LittleBigPlanet, and you can keep waiting for another Mario gamecube game.

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morganfell - 575 days 11 hours ago

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the jumping is too floaty? so are you saying you want real world physics in lbp?

you see no value in lbp and apparently banjo? are you saying they are not valuable to you? you say that later but most people with some sense can look at an app and say "well it isn't my cuppa tea but i understand the attraction."

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Qbanboi - 575 days 11 hours ago

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Ok. Have you seen any preview of the game? I mean, all previewer; even Kotaku (aka Sony haters) say that it's a hell of fun. And innovative. I remember seen a preview of LBP on X-play and they were saying that they notice that everyone that was playing the demo, always had a smile on their faces. Yo, no even Mario makes me smile anymore while i'm playing it, and if a game can do that. I'm going to f*cking buying. (Like i did with R&C:ToD)

That a game isn't fun to you, don't mean that it isn't to millions.

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PirateThom - 575 days 10 hours ago

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That must be the worst reason ever for not buying a game.

"The Jumping is too floaty"

Have you ever played a platformer?

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Superfragilistic - 575 days 10 hours ago

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"The Jumping is too floaty"

Have you ever played Halo?

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ukilnme - 575 days 9 hours ago

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@ CViper

I don't agree with Presentist at all. I think LBP is going to shock many people.

On another note I just want to show the other side of something.

I'm shocked to see so many "gamers" in denial about how awesome (insert any 360 title)is going to be just because its on the 360.

Don't act like people are only critical of the PS3 and it's games.

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clintos59 - 575 days 7 hours ago

5.9 - Dude u mustve been hiding under a rock too long if u think LBP has no value..

For those looking for an amazing platform game expirience plus user creativity at its best, LBP will have both the best worlds of those and will keep u busy and having alot of fun enjoying this game for many months and beyond.

Banjo on the other hand is said to be 80% about vehicles, so that automatically makes me know this will be more of a create your vehicle to use against others but takes away alot of the platforming aspects which has made this franchise so big. I still think banjo will be a good game, im just not sure or it will deliver as much as we want it to in the platforming side.

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juuken - 575 days 7 hours ago

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Um...you have grown men showing off what you can do in this game.
You cannot be serious.

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butterfinger - 575 days 12 hours ago

7 - I wonder...

if Microsoft agrees that they are not competing with LittleBigPlanet, because I was under the impression that they wanted this to compete on the casual gaming front. I guess we'll have to see.

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unrealgamer58 - 575 days 12 hours ago

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@ 3 exactly sinncross its because they cant

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Alcohog - 575 days 11 hours ago

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Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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kewlkat007 - 575 days 11 hours ago

11 - The only gamers who compare are Fanboys of one Creed/Console on like every game possible

It is ridiculous LBP comes up when you think Banjo. Not in the same league. "LBP is old-school side scroller with user mods." Nothing revolutionary but pretty much the first on a console to do so.

What is there to compare?...not much to flaim about, so some can feel better about their console of choice.

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ukilnme - 575 days 11 hours ago

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Yep Yep.

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kewlkat007 - 575 days 11 hours ago

11.3 - Maverick thanks buddy

I'm sure everything on the 360 is a turd...do you feel better now? I know you just have to get that off your chest on every 360 article.

If yes, good I'm moving on...

continue...

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Robearboy - 575 days 11 hours ago

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Why do people automatcially assume that Banjo cant "compete" with LBP?
Until both games are released and playtested by the majority then to make such assumptions is rather arrogant and blind, how would you feel if LBP got a score of 7 and Banjo got a 9? pretty silly one would think, you cant judge a book by its cover, lair and haze springs to mind

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butterfinger - 575 days 11 hours ago

13.1 - I agree in part...

that to assume one game is going to be better than the other is just plain ignorant (come on, we all know what ASSuME means lol), but I must say if LittleBigPlanet received a 7 and Banjo an 8, not only would I be incredibly shocked (since alot of people who have been amazed by LBP in previews will also be reviewing it) but it would not change the fact that in order to determine which game is better you have to play it for yourself. Like you said, you can't judge a book by its cover, Perfect Dark Zero springs to mind.

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Superfragilistic - 575 days 10 hours ago

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You guys both make good points and I like the cheeky tit for tat without it getting nasty... NGII springs to mind on 360 (I'll buy it anyway) as does Madden 08 on PS3.

Now back on topic the two games are different products.

Banjo is a 3D open world platformer where the platform skills are determined by a user's imagination (eg. the vehicles) but the world itself is pre-designed and follows a largely linear narrative.

LBP is a 2D closed world platformer where there is no narrative, and whilst there is a relatively brief single player mode the focus is squarely on user generated levels (as opposed to user generated abilities) and online community sharing.

The confusion comes in that they are both pushing user generated content and platforming, but they are doing such in so vastly different ways that comparing them seems futile.

At the end of the day what's truly exciting is that both consoles are seeing game developers pushing the boundaries beyond the staples of shooters and sports and into far more interesting game design ideas.

Both titles are very high on my most wanted list radar! :)

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@from the beach - exactly right. They both feature user generated content but Banjo's is focused on player abilities whilst LBP is focused on level design.

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ukilnme - 575 days 9 hours ago

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@ CViper

Uh...What?

Two or three weeks ago there were some LBP fans claiming that Banjo was trying to be like LBP.

Edit: @ Superfragilistic

Well balanced post as usual.

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butterfinger - 575 days 9 hours ago

13.5 - @ Superfragilistic

I agree one hundred percent! It is always nice to see new IPs or anything other than shooters dropping on next-gen consoles. Sometimes it seems as though Sony and Microsoft have failed to notice that Nintendo has done quite well this generation, and their most popular games are definitely not shooters. However, I absolutely loved Resident Evil 4 on the Wii:P

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Superfragilistic - 575 days 9 hours ago

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@ukilnme - cheers mate, I pay the same compliment to your posts! :)

@butterfinger - yeah it's nice to see Sony and MS starting to more openly encourage developers to innovate more. Some of the stuff on Nintendo is very cool, non shooters like Galaxy, Boom Blox and even the more basic Wii Fit have impressed me immensely with their fresh ideas. But even the shooters, particularly RE4 and Metroid3, have innovated the control schemes and gameplay in their genre.

Bubbles for intelligent discussion. :)

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ukilnme - 575 days 6 hours ago

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Uh...What? I did not miss anything. Your post clearly states that Banjo fans are comparing the two. My response stated that LBP fans made the comparisons two or three weeks ago. I know I'm a caveman but I can read.

Who said anything about fanboys? Being a fan of Banjo does not make one a fanboy. Same goes for LBP fans.

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from the beach - 575 days 10 hours ago

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I don't really understand the comparisons between these two games. I mean both involve building things but that's really about it, seems like what you're building and how it affects gameplay are completely different in each.

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Milky Joe - 575 days 9 hours ago

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I don't agree that there are no similarities between these two games. They both utilise user created content mechanics, they both appeal to a more casual audience, they both push community sharing and they're both platformers.

The thing is, Banjo stops at making contraptions to help you traverse these platforms whereas Little Big Planet goes further and allows you to create said platforms as well as creating things to help you traverse them. There are definite similarities, but one pushes the boundaries a bit further and in that respect, I would say Little Big Planet has a distinct edge.

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jcgamer - 575 days 9 hours ago

16.1 - I agree, Banjo is more of an evolution for the series

LBP has bigger ambitions...yep yep...bubbles up

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GameOn - 575 days 8 hours ago

17 - Leave Rare alone!

Banjo is above being compared to other games in that it is individual and stands apart form the rest. There's nothing like it, as with LittleBigPlanet and many more games on all consoles. Especially Nintendo with their crazy, hallucinogenic ideas.

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shakka - 575 days 7 hours ago

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LBP doesn`t have competition from any game on consoles right now because is way too different to other platformers out there.
Rare while with nintendo was one if not my favorite developers since they were the creators of the donkey kong country(my favorite adventure games)and dk64 series,my favorite 2d fighting games killer instinct 1&2 and i also liked the look of banjo-kazooie 64.

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KatanaSteel - 575 days 5 hours ago

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Is it even possible to enter competition with LBP?

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Greysturm - 575 days 11 hours ago

1 - Well i am bored and this is what the open zone is for...

They mean "we CAN´T compete with little big planet"

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Fishy Fingers - 575 days 11 hours ago

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You must be bored ;)

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Tony Scarboni - 575 days 11 hours ago

2 - LBP has more crossover appeal than Banjo

I'm sorry, Banjo just looks juvenile. It doesn't look like it will have enough platform elements to satisfy the hardcore gamer. It looks like a sandbox game for little kids.

Now LBP on the other hand has the potential to be more challenging since it is user generated. The graphics look pretty sick as well, since they use real world objects to construct the levels of the games the graphics take on a photorealistic look.

I think people are more willing to play LBP based on curiosity alone.

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Amp - 575 days 11 hours ago

3 - Funny

Both of you +bubs

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DFresh - 575 days 9 hours ago

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Banjo Kazooie is something cool but an old series now just brought back to be exclusive from the N64 now to the 360.
Little Big Planet is on it's own level of innovation and creativity.
Banjo might surprise me but comparing this game to LBP is just retarded.

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