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Ninja Gaiden II "a flawed jewel" - EDGE Preview

EDGE writes:

How do you make what is possibly the greatest 3D fighting game engine ever seen, and then get the camera utterly, utterly wrong? Ask Team Ninja. In Ninja Gaiden II it has produced a masterpiece of flowing and vicious combat that is – though not ruined – severely hampered by the most basic of design flaws.

There has never been anything quite like it in the genre. You can obliterate huge numbers of enemies in almost no time at all, cut through defenses with ease, and you will look magnificent while you're doing it. The hybrid aesthetic – high-tech Technicolor Japan mixed with muted feudalist Japan – might sound dissonant but looks sharply coherent. In fact, in the hands of a skilled player NGII looks nothing less than exhilarating, and occasionally surpasses any martial arts movie you might care to name.

And this is why the camera is such a surprisingly big issue. This isn't a problem with it getting caught on a corner occasionally, nor the odd confusing switch of perspective. It is a constant problem: obscuring foes, breaking up combos, losing track of Ryu, and flicking back and forth between positions.

It's worth reiterating that, even at preview stage, the action at the core of NGII stands up to the best in the genre. So if there's any serious development left to go on the project, we have to pray that it's directed towards the camera, because it's currently holding back such immense potential. If not, then Ninja Gaiden II will remain a trial for the dedicated player – and not in the way that Team Ninja wants it to be...
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power of Green - 590 days 4 hours ago
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Who fucin cares if the final build is worked on or doesn't change from the preview build. Who cares, the camera always had an issue in NG I just wan't to cut sh*t to pieces.

HI_YA bieeetches
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Fishy Fingers - 590 days 4 hours ago
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I care. As probably do everyone else whos serious about NG.

EDGE know they're s**t and they never attack a game pointlessly, if they say the camera is a problem it's a problem. Make the greatest game you want, if you see it right, or orientate correctly its pointless.

Id like to know when the preview build is taken from as its quite close to release and I just prey they have the time to rectify their mistakes and get the camera up to scratch.

You confuse me, this is a game your obviously interested in yet you except the flaws happily, yet you jump on PS3 titles that get criticism in their early stages.
Means I cant take you seriously, are you excepting the flaws because you want the game so much or simply because of the system its running on?
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power of Green - 590 days 4 hours ago
1.2 - Been a NG fan for a very long time.
I can't wait for this Mannnnn. Just seen some new gameplay on Comcast on-demand, Adam S. from Xplay interviewed TI and seen some new gameplay footage. Its just fantastic looking so dam smooth and the animations are amazing.

It looks really rewarding to master and play to be blunt.

Really you see me rag on PS3 games deeming serious problems that will put tons of people off?, with something like a flaw the series is known for anways? Hmm.

I didn't say the game was being attacked I'm use to the camera issues in this franchise its not a big deal to me no. Out of all the people that have played it its just one company's concerned so I don't let it bother me.
I think people with the most concerned about it are nit-pickers and people wanting it to have flaws even going as far as posing as an concerned fan.

""""Fishy Fingers"""& quot ; I'm going to report your comment as spam for you attempt to personal attack me in the gamerzone.

I use to miss the BUS 3 times a week playing NG on the NES.

Asking me if I'm intrested in the game or is it the platform its on is just moronic, Sorry had to say it.
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GameOn - 590 days 4 hours ago
1.4 - I doubt its that bad.
The camera in ninja Gaiden wasn't amazing but i got use to it. I dont think its gonna be worse than last time and its gotta be better than Devil may cry 4.
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power of Green - 590 days 4 hours ago
1.5 - g3nkie
LOL

Also lol @ FishyFingers with his contradicting attack on me, calling me a a NG fan then going on to say its my console fanboyism thats the reason I'm excited about the game.

WoW talk about PS3 fans personal feelings towards 360 fans.
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Kleptic - 590 days 3 hours ago
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haha POG...you would be excited for this if it was on the PS3?...tell me then, what did you think of the camera improvement on Sigma?...if you are such a NG fan, you definitely would have enjoyed the definitive version of the first 3D rendition of the series?...right?...the controls overall?...how did the feel of the game differ from NG and NGB?...if you really played so much NG as a kid on the NES, you would automatically own ever system you could to enjoy where the series has gone...and being that Sigma is currently the best NG game to date...which PS3 do you own?...

so what did you think?...

I don't know why you are even allowed to look at this zone...let alone post in it...
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g3nkie - 590 days 3 hours ago
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LMFAO!!!!
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power of Green - 590 days 3 hours ago
1.8 - Kleptic
Whats with the stupid ass attacks?, If I owned a PS3 I would have purchased it considering I'm a big fan. What you're saying doesn't even make any sense.

WTF are you talking about?, I said I'v been a fan for a long time and mentioned the bus comment because he said I just liked it because it was on 360 sheeeh!.

Obviosly 2d games didn't have a camera system lol. PS3 fanboy attacks are getting more moronic by the day. Hot Dam!!!.

You think Sigma is the better game because one company says the camera's a issue from a preview build?, you think I'd buy a $500 console to play an overhaul of an Xbox game(with some sh*t added).

I don't understand you child-like debate.

How in the fuc did saying basically *I'll live with NG's camera system* end up being a full attack from PS3 trolls questioning me being a fan of the franchise?. WTF is wrong with PS3 fans?.

What do these trolls wan't me to say?, do they wan't me to say that NG2 sucks this and I'm not buying it now?. Good lord.

Kleptic How did you get so many bubbles?, shouldn't be allowed to visit 360 threads let alone post in them. Yet you're almost maxed out whsn the other people with no bubbles basically say the same thing attacking people as you do?, Strange.
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Willio - 590 days 2 hours ago
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To be fair, I dont think NG2 wants to be typecasted as the only company that produces an insane difficult game because that becomes a niche market. It may not affect die hard fans but buisness is about money, if there is a fault, theres no happy ending.
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Alexander Roy - 590 days 2 hours ago
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Actually, bad camera can kill games. It did with Sonic The Hedgehog 2006, for example. That game was almost unplayable because the camera was stiff as wood and alway changed when you were jumping or in the middle of a transition.
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Witty Comment - 590 days 1 hour ago
1.11 - DUDES
the camera in Ninja Gaiden was effing horrible. I'm playing it to sharpen up my ninja skills in preparation for NG2.
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g3nkie - 590 days 1 hour ago
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Well MGS3 was considered to have a bad camera but it came out to be one of the best MGS games to date.
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HateBoy - 590 days ago
1.13 - I care man
I care, as a HUGE fan of the NG series I really hope they work on improving that camera. It's not gonna keep me from buying, its day uno for me, but it might have negative effects on the state of my TV which will probably be punched several times (I actually did that to my old tv when playing NG black on the xbox).
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AuburnTiger - 590 days ago
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What about the camera angle on the original NG on the NES, it was terrible. All you got was a side-scrolling view.
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Legend - 590 days ago
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As long as there is still the "center camera behind Ryu button" I'll be fine. The camera won't be any worse than it was in Black.

And AuburnTiger: LMFAO!
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n to the b - 589 days 19 hours ago
1.16 - actually I don't 100% trust EDGE
although I prob believe them on this one that the camera can be annoying. but in general I much prefer the other British gaming mag I've run into: gamesTM. highly recommended.
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Tmac - 589 days 15 hours ago
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As far as Camera angles go, NG is as bad as Genji, if not worse sometimes.

Although I enjoyed Sigma for the most part.
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blindfromthesun - 589 days 15 hours ago
1.19 - regarding the camera...
Ninja Gaiden as a series is known for its camera issues. Surprisingly enough, I NEVER had an issue with it. Disorienting is a better term for these apparent "issues." The camera in the NG series has progressively gotten better; Ninja Gaiden Black improved upon NG Original. Likewise Sigma has an arguably better camera than Black. Fans of the series shouldn't worry about this game.
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samfk - 589 days 7 hours ago
1.20 - ok not really my type of game .ill rent it however to see ps3 tits complaining about the cam is absurd!
i had ninja gaiden sigma on ps3 ! GUESS WAT camera was flawed .for as long as i can remember the cam on this type of game has been an issue!like it or lump it .if this game gets released on ps3 (which i doubt)then wat smooth cam na people .common sense plz
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samfk - 589 days 7 hours ago
1.21 - sigma
sigma
2 Vojkan | 590 days 4 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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bababrooks - 590 days 3 hours ago
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you believe what you choose to believe, this game will look and play great, that is if your biased!
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BeaArthur - 590 days 2 hours ago
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Vojkan...are you serious? Devil May Cry is a series that should have been updated or died with the last PS2 installment. I mean I like the original as much as any one but it's an incoherent story and repetitive gameplay. I mean I understand the comparison because they are in the same genre but Ninja Gaiden smokes Devil May Cry any day of the week. As far as it being too difficult, I bet you still play your games on easy and don't bother to challenge yourself at all.

On another note I did not have any issues with the camera angles in the original and I have yet to see a gameplay video that demonstrates what this article is talking about. So for me this article changes nothing at all.
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sonarus - 589 days 23 hours ago
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NG>DMC.

Lol @ NG being linear lol that was pretty funny. Camera angles or not, NG is the best 360 game this yr
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Legend - 589 days 23 hours ago
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Awwwww. Sounds like someone didn't like having to wear the pink Ninja Dog ribbon. Stick to DMC then. It sounds like the automatic combo mode is right up your ally. Leave the real combat to the big boys.
2.5 poopface1 | 589 days 22 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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BeaArthur - 589 days 21 hours ago
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Legend...ahha, exactly my thoughts.
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devilhunterx - 589 days 17 hours ago
2.7 - psst!
SPAM THE FLYING SWALLOW MOVE!!
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FCOLitsjustagame - 590 days 4 hours ago
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I thought the camera was always a problem in NG. Are they saying the problem is WORSE this time? Or has someone finally just gotten over the cool ninja factor and realized "hey this camera is sht"?
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power of Green - 590 days 4 hours ago
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NG has always had issues, I don't let it bother me because out all the previewers that have played the game not all of them felt the need to mention it?; thats assuming there's more than just Edge MAg that has said anything so far. I think its very truthful with a dash of sales or hit earning flavor.
3.2 Rocko | 590 days 4 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show
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dogseye_deadhorse - 589 days 23 hours ago
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ninja gaiden is shiit anyway imo.

no fanboyism. its just shiit
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KidMakeshift - 590 days 4 hours ago
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I don't how the camera could really work for Ninja Gaiden
Even if it was a fixed camera like early Resident Evils I don't think it would work any better

It's practically impossible to play the harder difficulties because the enemies are always coming at you off screen
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BulletToothtony - 590 days 4 hours ago
5 - i liked sigma... it was fun, i did wish i didn't have to go back and forward throughout the map so much
but the fighting was good... i'm sure they will fix the camera system before the game ships... i know it's almost here but sometimes some sites get some very early builds. i mean in sigma the camera was good so i don't see why they would have a problem with it this time..
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riksweeney - 590 days 4 hours ago
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I stopped playing the first one because the camera was responsible for so many of my deaths. It just kept shifting and zooming in without warning.

I know cameras are difficult (I'm writing a 3rd person game and am having a hell of a time with it), but since they're a team of professionals I found it unforgivable...
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BulletToothtony - 590 days 3 hours ago
5.2 - @ 5.1 really??? i bet that if i went back and played it i would probably notice it lol
i think devil may cry 4 had it good by making stuff go see through.. which i don't know if it's a smarter thing to do i don't know if it would be easier to program thou...

i think that they are making too big of a deal thou.. at least i hope for the sake of 360 owners..

and btw do you program for a company or just for fun?? you're not in charge of confrontation are you?? lol
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riksweeney - 590 days 3 hours ago
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Just for fun, although even that can be frustrating at times...
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fenderputty - 589 days 19 hours ago
5.4 - the only time I noticed camera problems in
sigma were while in really close corridors. Other then that I didn't even pay attention because the game kicked ass. Unless the camera makes the game unplayable like Genji, I don't think it's going to be much of a concern. NG2 should kick ass. Probably the best game for the 360 this year.
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crck - 590 days 4 hours ago
6 - I think it was the 1up yours podcast that had the same comments
They said you will have a blast playing it but will hate the camera. But yeah hard to see how they can fix it. Ryu just moves too fast. Hope they do fix the other problem that has plagued Ninja Gaiden. Mapping the action button to one of the attack buttons is an easily fixed flaw and they better have at least fixed that. I was shocked that problem still existed in Sigma.
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kydrice - 590 days 4 hours ago
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it would seem that Itagaki isn't the gaming god that he makes himself out to be.
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Superfragilistic - 590 days 3 hours ago
8 - This game looks amazing but...
the camera will no doubt be an issue. It was in the first, but the sheer brilliance of the gameplay and animation put the issues to back of one's mind.

They acknowledge that this is perhaps the most fluid and polished action gameplay of all time, but I just wish EDGE provided some context to their story. When did they preview this and what build did they play?d love
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power of Green - 590 days 3 hours ago
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Just a preview build who knows how long ago if they're trying to fluff it up saying they hope its fixed one would think it wasn't a week ago thats for sure.
Like I said with so many different media outlets previewing it you'd think many more would have expressed this *greatness killing flaw*.
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christina aguilera - 590 days 3 hours ago
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IT WILL BE OK.

DUH I SAID SO XXX XTINA
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mistertwoturbo - 590 days 3 hours ago
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I just hope the story has more substance this time around. NG Sigma's story was stupid.
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DeckUKold - 589 days 23 hours ago
10.1 - This story is about
The dark dragon broom. LOL i kid i kid
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Superfragilistic - 589 days 19 hours ago
10.2 - NG has never been about story...
It's always been about fast, responsive and fluid gameplay. If you think the story will be any better than the first maybe you should watch the GDC gameplay footage "you ungrateful monkeys"! :P

I do find that if you drink some beers prior to NG you'll find the story far more entertaining and may well consider it a brilliant satire of every action game/movie cliche before it. Funny that!
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mistertwoturbo - 589 days 5 hours ago
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Well I already know about the face action fluid gameplay, but it would put this game well above and beyond if it had a good story. Oh well, I'll probably end up getting it anyway lol
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ukilnme - 590 days 3 hours ago
11 - Oh d@mn.
I had no problems with the camera in the first NG, not surprising as I am a Master Ninja. I do hope that Team Ninja got the camera fixed with the final build or at least has a patch ready.
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