Banjo 3 is 80% vehicles

predator - 590 days 16 hours ago

we will have to wait and see but all the press think its a breath of fresh air from the previews

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Fishy Fingers - 590 days 16 hours ago

I guess your right, I shouldnt presume anything, I'll have to wait for some more hand-on/reviews.

I'm not actually a Banjo fan, but I'll buy this for my younger bro who enjoyed the previous ones (hence why I hope it doesn't change to much).

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green - 590 days 16 hours ago

I loved the original Banjo on N64 and having seen the vehicles in Nuts & Bolts i was abit sceptical like you.But after reading all the previews i have no doubt in my mind that this game is going to be stellar.it is simply a breath of fresh air.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/a...

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MURKERR - 590 days 15 hours ago

dont like the sound of that.

the original game was one of my best experiences in gaming to date,come to think of it n64 really did give me my best gaming years

goldeneye
ocarina of time
waverace
mario64

damn nintendo what happened to you?

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gaffyh - 590 days 15 hours ago

If this is true 80% is too much, it's meant to be platforming not driving.

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solidt12 - 590 days 15 hours ago

LOL

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Soren the Cat - 590 days 14 hours ago

I'm disappointed.

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Superfragilistic - 590 days 13 hours ago

Rare and all the previews have gushed about the potential of the user generated platforming.

Imagine Mario where you invented his powers (vehicles) instead of just picking up a feather and turning into a raccoon or a flower to get fireballs. All Banjo is doing is saying we're not going to decide the powers for you (flying, fireballs, etc) instead we're going to give you the tools (vehicle bits and pieces) and let you decide and create the powers (vehicles), so that you can progress through the game.

They're letting player creativity, rather than a designer's rigid rules, dominate the platforming. Or in other words 80% vehicles = 80% platforming.

To me that's close to genius.

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nirwanda - 590 days 13 hours ago

the 360 doesn't have one good platform game, a missed opportunity just like perfect dark zero it will be a good game that could have been great.
what next rare killer instinct without combo's to make it feel fresh and new instead of what people want.

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princejb134 - 590 days 12 hours ago

another gta game where part of the game is about 80-85% driving

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killax3563 - 590 days 11 hours ago

@Fishy-fingers: a lil' too much? 80% is a lot to much. Save the vehicles for a kart racer spin-off. Not the core of the franchise.

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Michael Jackson - 590 days 9 hours ago

80% vehicles and 20% playing with a c*ck.

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clintos59 - 590 days 15 hours ago

This may be cool features for the game but 80% is alot of vehicle time spent instead of sticking to the platforming aspects which made this franchise big. For example it would be like mario galaxy but instead of putting all your effort to the whole single player expirience of just platforming elements, nintendo decided to add mario kart into the game and focus 80% on just building your vehicle, that would be a big bummer in my opinion. I think this is going to be a fun game but if your looking for a true platforming game, I think this isnt going to be the banjo alot of people expected from the past banjo games.

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solidt12 - 590 days 15 hours ago

I think the Platforming in Mario Galaxy was the best this gen, but I enjoyed Ratchet and Clank much more for some reason. I saw a video of the last banjo and thought this game could be the best Platformer this gen but know im not sure.

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solidt12 - 590 days 15 hours ago

I agree and I hear you on GTA. I love GTA IV but sometime I don't feel like driving across town for a mission and wish I could just teleport or something.

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LastDance - 590 days 14 hours ago

lol ...its called taxi;)

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Superfragilistic - 590 days 13 hours ago

Took my thoughts and typed them first! Bubbles. :)

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titntin - 590 days 13 hours ago

I completely disagree with you.

A platformer, by its very definition involves being on foot and having to jump, grapple or climb to reach inaccessible places (platforms actually) and most usually involves the physics of jumping or grappling to deal with enemies.

Getting in a vehicle is not platforming AT ALL.

That doesn't mean it can't still be a good game, and indeed have many of the same quests and objectives you can find in a platformer. But it does mean that the underlying game mechanic and structure of the level is NOT a platformer - apart obviously from those bits of the level designed for access on foot.

I've worked with several high profile designers who could write entire papers on such a discussion point! but I'll limit myself to simply quoting the definition of a platformer from Wiki:

"Platform game, or platformer, is a video game genre characterized by jumping to and from suspended platforms or over obstacles. It must be possible to control these jumps and to fall from platforms or miss jumps. The most common unifying element to these games is a jump button; other jump mechanics include swinging from extendable arms, as in Ristar or Bionic Commando, or bouncing from springboards or trampolines, as in Alpha Waves. Games where jumping is automated completely, such as The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, fall outside of the genre."

End quote.

80% of Banjo is not a platformer - it involves no jumping..

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Superfragilistic - 590 days 13 hours ago

It's really interesting reading your argument and observing the wtf reactions of many as it explains the Banjo conundrum perfectly.

Banjo does not appear to be a traditional platformer, and many seem to think it's not at all, but it actually fits the wiki definition you quoted. The vehicles are merely user created powerups, instead of designer enforced powerups like mushrooms and feathers in Mario. Banjo without a vehicle is just like Mario without a powerup, you can platform like that or you can go get a mushroom (vehicle) to make things easier or solve a particular platforming level.

If any of your high profile designer associates have played Banjo Kazooie 3 I'd be interested in their thoughts, because if you deconstruct BK3's design philosophy the only difference from previous installments is that the player determines the composition of the platforming powerups rather than the designer.

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titntin - 590 days 12 hours ago

I can see the thrust of your argument but its simply does not work.

If the vehicles were used to 'jump to and from suspended platforms or over obstacles' then there would be some merit in your argument.
But they are not - the gameplay clips have shown this is the case.

Banjo is a vehicle based adventure game with some platform elements.

If the ratio were any different, say 80% platforming and 20% vehicles, then you could indeed use the power up analogy, but I've never played a platform game where the over riding game mechanic was over ridden for 80% of the game by power up with totally different gameplay mechanics.

There is absolutely no question that this is not a platform game - in the same way that many games that were originally platform games became adventures with platform elements.

I'm sure it will be fun no matter what 'genre' we want to call it, but the fact remains, that I like games where the main game mechanic is jumping and grabbing to reach new levels and platforms. I simply enjoy that and would have been happy to see something allot more like the earlier iterations of this franchise.
I'm sure what they have done will be excellent fun to - but I'll have to look elsewhere to feed my platform needs.
Doesn't mean it won't be fun, and I'm happy to

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Superfragilistic - 590 days 12 hours ago

I guess we're in a stalemate then! lol

I see Banjo as an evolution of platforming as a genre.

You see it simply as an adventure, with some platforming elements.

I'll agree to disagree... until we get a much closer look at it ourselves.

Thanks for such a thoughtful and stimulating discussion, like N4G of old! Bubbles for you my friend. :)

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titntin - 590 days 8 hours ago

Back at you man!
Nice to have a discussion here that doesn't end in flaming!

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TheSadTruth - 590 days 14 hours ago

Rare's problem is that their fanbase has grown up and they are still catering to little kids. Maybe a 12 year will find this or Viva Pinata fun, but anyone that isn't a pre teen would prefer a true platformer that isn't pushing some innovative gimmick that seems completely stupid.

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BrianC6234 - 590 days 13 hours ago

Does anyone else see this game as being a huge dud? Just like every other Rare game for the Xbox/360. What a huge waste of money buying Rare was for Microsoft. They just don't make good games anymore. They don't even seem to know what gamers want to play.

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callahan09 - 590 days 6 hours ago

Aaah gimme a break.
Maybe you look at this and don't mind it, or even think it looks cool, but to disagree with "This isn't what I wanted from a new Banjo game" is absolutely ludicrous.

First of all, that's my opinion, and second of all, NOBODY "wanted" this from a new Banjo game. It's a complete surprise. So, no, nobody was thinking "I hope the new Banjo game is mostly vehicle-based!"

You're lying if you claim that. It was a shock to you just like it was to everyone else.

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callahan09 - 590 days 14 hours ago

This is certainly not what I've been wanting from a new Banjo game.

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Evil Rant Monkey - 590 days 15 hours ago

<You're a dumbass. Get and education.)

-I do believe you're a droid in lemmings clothing. Trying to make bots look like complete fools- Get a Life -

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BrianC6234 - 590 days 13 hours ago

Wow, I think End of War 2 is on drugs. What's all that babbling about?

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DeckUKold - 590 days 7 hours ago

This game dosen't look half as good as SMG

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