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Xbox '540' coming in 2009?

TSMC plans to begin producing the Valhalla chip, which will be the foundation of the mid-cycle refresh of the Xbox 360, thus called 'Xbox 2.5' or simply 'Xbox 540' (360+180), in fall of 2009. We learned that this new chip is apparently much more than a die-shrink and end up as a system-on-a-chip design. This change is likely to enable to redesign the Xbox 360 casing and go towards a slim-design, much like what Sony did with the Gen1 and Gen2 PS2. TG Daily believes that TSMC will use a 45 nm process for this Multi-Chip-Module package (CPU+GPU+eDRAM).

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Fishy Fingers - 604 days 1 hour ago

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Headline is rather misleading. Basically its a rumour that the smaller die sets will allow them to change the case design. Perhaps to a slimmer model.

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BeaArthur - 604 days ago

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Very misleading. I am once again baffled by the logic here though. Instead of worrying about making it more compact they need to worry about the failure rates; once again they have taken their eyes off the ball.

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Silellak - 604 days ago

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A little fun fact about N4G I always noticed - you can easily spot a misleading headline by articles that are hot (ie, viewed a lot) but have few-to-no comments.

People see the article and go "OH! Interesting" then click on it and realize it's not at all what the headline implied, then sadly go "Oh..." and move on without commenting.

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Strelnikov - 603 days 23 hours ago

1.3 - @BeaArthur

A 45nm process will not only make the processor smaller, but also cooler. Hopefully this will fix any failures due to overheating.

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permutated - 603 days 20 hours ago

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Arthur-

I could care less about system failure, I just wish the damn thing would stop scratching my disks so I can't sell them.

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Adamalicious - 603 days 19 hours ago

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If they make the case smaller and still have a huge power brick I will mock them without mercy!

Seriously, it would be better if they kept it the same size and integrated the power supply, but - if they are doing this - I would imagine they would rather just reduce the case for marketing reasons.

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BeaArthur - 603 days 15 hours ago

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permutated...by failure I was talking about all types of issues including disk scratching.

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SlyGuy - 603 days 13 hours ago

1.7 - If the smaller die does make it cooler...

...I may consider buying the 360. Then again it should have been 'cooler' (non-RROD) from the start.

It makes me wonder if to just wait for the next Xbox (720).

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Condoleezza Rice - 604 days 1 hour ago

2 - Ehh

If the new slim design makes the hardware more reliable,then I'm all for it.

If not,then meh.

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ip-student - 604 days ago

2.1 - Jasper

Is all you need - the reduction to the 65 nm feature size for both the CPU and GPU (along with the reduced heat) will permanently solve heating problems. I am waiting to pick up a second 360 until that happens (I also want a price cut and a quieter DVD drive). The whole bluray drive thing is interesting - would easily make an Elite module truly elite - but I don't see that happening as MS seems more interested in downloading. Still, if a add-on ever comes out I may pick it up as I still need to get a bluray and I refuse to pay more than $200 for a player - especially when the movies are priced at $25-35.

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riskibusiness - 603 days 23 hours ago

2.2 - Probably not this gen

I think we may see some interesting future tech on the next gen platforms, but it may be possible to really shrink these suckers down into a tight space using Thermal Acoustic Piezo Energy Conversion for cooling and better energy efficiency even on this gen equipment.

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BIoodmask - 604 days 1 hour ago

3 - It would be nice

to have a slim model. I just wonder what they would do about the HDD. Might have to make a smaller one (just the casing), not the storage size.

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Tmac - 603 days 16 hours ago

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I'm more worried about the power brick than the HDD.

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v1c1ous - 604 days ago

4.1 - ok

1) Changing the chipsets to a cooler unit IS working towards fixing the RROD issue.

2) sony didn't patent slim redesigns. most electronics get smaller as time goes to be more cost effective.

why just look at televisions.

seriously. stop with the fanboy dribble.

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Nuckles - 604 days ago

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If this one is as reliable as the PS3 i will buy it, i really want to play some of the thier games but i am not trying to deal with RROD.

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PS360WiiRocks - 604 days ago

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Uh Microsoft do NOT make a slimmer 360, lol you can't even make a large one not overheat, your best bet is to NOT change the design.

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Silellak - 604 days ago

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Actually, changing the design would probably be for the best, reliability wise - *IF* they actually properly test it this time to make sure it doesn't IMPLODE after 6 months.

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knoxin - 604 days ago

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Knowing M$ they will still find a way for it to have the same heat output of the sun :/

Joke No flaming please

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SuperSaiyan4 - 604 days ago

8 - The hardware is already reliable

Go buy a 360 now and it will have a Falcon i.e. 65nm CPU, I have had only 1 rrod that was on my launch console within the first few months after that I have NEVER had any issues with rrod or disc scratching or anything.
Like people say those that have no issues are not going to come up and say 'Hey I have a perfect one!'

Its a known fact and logic that people will say something when there is an issue, since the rrod issue has died away I think people should now move on an stop flogging a dead donkey.

I had a PS3 and it had a problem and I took it back but you dont see me or others coming on here whining on their PS3 problems.

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kewlkat007 - 604 days ago

8.1 - I have yet to have 1 issue with my

Elite Falcon....It's not like all the consoles have issues. I could understand the early one from a certain date...

Anyhow this will only make people wait for the new ones which come out just in time for Gears of War 2 and holiday push.

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v1c1ous - 604 days ago

8.3 - @8.2

a guy with "sephiroth" in his name is making fun of electronic names...

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LiQuid revOlvEr - 598 days 2 hours ago

8.5 - you lie!

- SuperSaiyan4

wot was the ps3 problem then?
too awesome?

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Leathersoup - 604 days ago

9 - Umm....

Wasn't the Falcon series of the 360 supposed to be using the 65nm die? If not what was the change back there?

Edit: Ahhh 65nm GPU vs 65nm CPU... just re-read the article.

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Syko 360 - 604 days ago

9.1 -

Falcon was 65nm CPU but still has 90nm GPU. The boards this summer are 65nm CPU and GPU. The Valhalla boards will be 45nm on a single chip enabling them to theoretically shrink the case with a new cooling solution.

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thehitman - 604 days ago

9.2 - Yes

But they still had a lot of problems with that 1. Less than original but still a lot of problems. Hopefully this newer 1 will get rid of it all together (extremely high wishful thinking).

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thehitman - 604 days ago

10 - Well...

If they make a 360 that actually works maybe ill come around and buy 1. Hopefully this redesign will help me sway my decision if they still have good games after gears2.

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LiQuid revOlvEr - 598 days 2 hours ago

10.1 - chuck norris

there will never be 1 that works! ms cant do it

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v1c1ous - 604 days ago

11 - fanboys always say

"yeah wel they should work on fixing the RROD issue"

hey, guys. changing the schematics inside towards a cooler chipset IS working towards correcting the RROD issue.

get off the freaking glue already.

and then you complain when people bring up the "no games" thing.

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BIoodmask - 604 days ago

11.1 - I was thinking the same thing

One of the major problems in the original launch units was improper ventilation for the GPU, and also it's placement under the CD drive.

Chances are with the die shrink and new placement on the board it wold keep failures within the expected ranges.

Why would Microsoft do a redesign and keep the architecture the same way that would end up costing them even more money for repairs? It doesn't take an engineer to realize the obvious.

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Tmac - 603 days 16 hours ago

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Working towards what they can't achieve. 2/3s of more of the Xbox's out there already have the infamous 33% failure rate. Recent statistics brought us to believe that more recent model with the Falcon mobo's those failure rates are around 16% Even with the implementation of Jasper it is too late. At least 1/3 of all Xbox 360's are destined to fail. Even 8, 9 or 10% failure rate is too high. There's no way you can spin this. Microsofts hardware Q&A is a technical nightmare. I'm not hating on the Games Xbox 360 has, but the hardware is below standard.

You could argue all day that they got cut off the problem at the source, that doesn't make it fact.

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myabsolution - 604 days ago

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I dont think a redesign for a slimline model is underway:

1) They will have to somehow rethink their precise cut-Harddrive which are formed to fit original model... unless they keep that the same (although that might look fugly).

2) Faceplates... how on earth would a slim-line work with these things if its half the width.

3) Xbox 360 is already slim enough... It certainly is no PStwo, but it is a far cry from an original Xbox. The width isnt really that big, and its not taking up much room.

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ip-student - 604 days ago

12.1 - You ma y be right

Perhaps with the single chip solution they will integrate the power supply - that would be hot (pun intended).

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thehitman - 604 days ago

12.2 - Yea

I definetly dont think they are going to make a slimmer 360 when they cant even get the 1s out to shut up. I thought my friend had on his air conditioner in the winter while he was playing his 360. They also cant get them to stop overheating if you cant even put your console on the carpet then there is something wrong.

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ip-student - 604 days ago

12.3 - re: hitman

It is the darn DVD drive - way too loud. I think that is probably the biggest reason the XBOX 360 hasn't sold well in Japan (the RROD issues didn't help either). If you live in a small apartment place and your console is making a lot of noise then you might just go crazy. My solution is to use headphones - I can crank the volume without waking up the kids and I don't hear the DVD drive.

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riskibusiness - 603 days 23 hours ago

12.4 - Design change.....

Most likely a slim model using upgradeable flash drive technology for storage. Perhaps MS will keep the current external hard drives at the same embarrassing high price and then phase in the flash drives at the current price, thus making it look like a good deal?

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The Lazy One - 603 days 19 hours ago

12.5 - @ Hard drive too big

If they redesign a slim 360, they'd probably redesign the hard drive. Maybe switch it to a solid state, or some sort of vertical drive. They might start producing 2 kinds of hard drives, or they might just release an adapter to plug in new hard drives to old 360s, or design the new 360 with the old hard drive in mind.

There's plenty of ways to work around the hard drive, and they have a whole year to get there.

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SuperSaiyan4 - 604 days ago

13 - Guys please

There are no issues now, go get a 360 and enjoy its getting really old now.
In all the time people have slagged off the 360 they have missed out on some pretty awesome games. Play.com have premiums with GTA 4 for only £199.99 bargain if you ask me.

With the newer chip set 360's its inevitable, look at the PS1 and PS2 they got smaller because technology stands around for no one.

I am sure like me there are many 360 gamers out there that will probably buy a PS3 in the future, and if there are PS3 gamers out there that are looking to get a 360 later on then great stuff.
The only people that lose out are fanboys, too buys slating and slagging off a product when they could just be enjoying what these products are supposed to do and that is to provide entertainment.

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thehitman - 604 days ago

13.1 - Tell that to

my friends.... 1 cant play any game but halo because his 360 doesn't read any other disc. Another 2nd time 3rod. Both just got their 360s this year or xmas time around. I am not a fanboy but Im also not an idiot I am not going to buy something I know has the potential to break down on me any second.

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dragonJP - 604 days ago

14 - AGREE...

...that shrinking the CPU and then the GPU and eventually shrinking both further together on the same chip is much more cooling and efficient, therefore reducing greatly RRoD. This really isn't a fanboy issue, although it's fair to question MS hardware after RRoD. Still, if this works out, it goes a long way towards continued MS profit on the 360, as well as cheaper, more efficient (slimmer?) consoles to keep the 360 around and relevant a lot longer. Well, at least until 2011 or 2012. Question is, will all of these lowered production costs pave the way for a Blu-ray enabled 360? You make the call....

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kingme71 - 604 days ago

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An appearance change would be a welcome advantage from a consumer psychological viewpoint. The 360 is paired with the RROD from all but the most casual and uninformed buyers. Just changing internal chips may be helpful, but may not sway people into believing it. Plus, it isn't trivial for someone to know if they have the newer chipset if the outside looks the same. A new redesign would go a long way to giving consumers confidence that the RROD is behind them. That is of course if the problems do go away with the changes. If the problems still persist with a new design after MS has had 3 years to fix it, you could probably start shoveling dirt on that corpse.

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v1c1ous - 604 days ago

15.1 - exactly

a new redesign would bring a new boost to microsoft's image.

it would make people think "hey this is a new thing" and promote new players to try the xbox brand that were previously skepticle.

it might even cause a small stir in japan, where anything redesigned gets a huge boost in sales for a while.

nothing world breaking, but it might give 360 sales a rather nice initiative in HW sales charts.

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Tmac - 603 days 16 hours ago

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You lost a lot of credibility with your statement once you entered Japan in the equation. To put it nicely, Xbox 360 is a disaster in Japan.

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AclayPS3 - 604 days ago

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That title is misleading as HELL, and why in the world would a redesigned 360 be called a Xbox 540? That's just STUPID. If the Xbox doesn't have built in Blu-Ray ( it won't have it) then there is no need for a new name.

The Xbox 360 Blu-ray rumors are just funny because there is no way Microsoft is going to start using Blu-Ray DVD discs for Xbox games because it's too late for that. Unless Microsoft plans on shipping out Free 360's with built in Blu-Ray, there's no way that a 360 with built in Blu-ray will work. The PS3 will be the only game console this generation with built in Blu-Ray, sorry Microsoft, you dropped the ball when it came to the disc format.

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DR-IVO - 604 days ago

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rumor or not, Microsoft seems to want to try and kill the gaming industry and itself if they even consider releasing a new xbox within the next 5years.

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DarkSniper - 604 days 1 hour ago

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Microsoft will surely not make the grave mistake of re-entering the console business. Their first two consoles have been a complete failure and laughingstock of the gaming industry. Their third one will be no different.

$niper

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Jack Meahoffer - 604 days ago

1.1 - Kinda like the leader for two generations that still hasn't taken the lead...

Oh wait.

Let me ask you...

Does the PS3 have in game voice chat yet?

How about movie rentals?

How about being able to actually play multiplayer without having to wait for a week for a patch like TF2, R6V2, COD4 and GTA IV?

Hell how about Home and native 1080p games running at 60fps you were promised when the PS3 was unvealed?

Where are the games that benefit from Bluray? Name one game that has been longer and contained more content due to bluray?

Oh thats right you can't. Yeah thats what I thought. OWNED like the douchy whore you are.

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InYourMom - 604 days ago

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Once again DarkSniper makes a comment without even reading and comprehending what he is writing about. Then all the fake accounts roll out the agree's.

Since you seem to be learning challenged this is talking about a redux of the chipset, just like your lover PS3 goes thru. They are also speculating(ie pulling things out of their ass) that there might be a slim line version of the case just like your lover PS2 went thru.

This is NOT A NEW 360.

If the 360 is a failure that nobody purchased and is currently in 2nd place behind the Wii what does that leave the PS3? The PS3 is a great system but stop knocking the 360 because it is also a great system. Have you even tried a 360?

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Xlll - 604 days ago

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Jack hows those multiple disc games? Isn't great having to get up to change discs? Oh hows the RRoD? flopbox still at the repair shop eh? Where's your HD-DVD? oh that flopped too? damn. Whats the highest res you got? What? thats it?
Whats this Live has laggy servers and a habit of crash out all holiday season? sucks to be you. Whats this your console doesn't have home? or out upcoming TV channels? damn. Whats that HDD add on for almost 200$? geez. Oh and now they getting ready to bail on the 3Fixme? After seeing smears of war2 and those house fires i guess it was about time.

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Jack Meahoffer - 604 days ago

1.5 - @1.2

Oh now its only 3 million? What tomorrow you'll be lying saying its 2 and the day after 1.

Keep up the cognitive dissidence... Its really working for you and you're 27 other N4G accounts Nasim.

Too bad they already should have taken the lead. When you have 70% market share the prior generation it shouldn't take 2 or 3 years to catch up...

EDIT @1.6 - At the rate of 50k a month or so the PS3 will catch the 360 around the time its life cycle is over around 2010. Then the 720 will come out and the PS3 will still be a slow mandatory installing bluray player delivering on few if any of its original promises.

Notice none of you Sony fanboys tried to dispute the points I made in my original post. Because you can't its the harsh truth you're all trying to forget.

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Xlll - 604 days ago

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Jack if you take EU for example PS3 has reached the 360's total a year faster. We won't even count Japan cause 360's don't even exist there. With each month PS3 outselling 360 it's only a matter of time. With MSG4 around the corner that gap in the amount PS3 out sells 360 is only gonna get wider. Kind of like your anus.

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heyheyhey - 604 days ago

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@Jack

PS3 outselling 360 by 50k a month???

no son, try 40k in Japan a month, 120-150k in Europe a month- and its starting to outsell in NA by about 30k a month (although as we all know, that wasn't the case last month)

i count a steady 200-230k outsell a month, and that's without MGS4 and all the others

plus there's probably a price cut around the corner

that figure will rise to about 500-700k by the end of the year, and then we get GOW3 and KZ2 in March 09- figure climbs even more

and then its FF13- AND THEN.... well then its all over

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Pain - 604 days ago

1.8 - Oh jack u retard.

Must be Nice Reset the Race and Claim to be number 1 , and never look Outside the US...

its a Marathon tool not a race, or for u its like this..

"Fact PS3 is a SEXY B1TCH!! "
" She has a Slot Drive so yea...its a Sexy Woman that u need to learn to rub right to get going!! "

Fact XBOX 2 is a Teen age Boy , thats Ready to POP with a single stoke !!! RROD awww im spent...

and you said it "Leader of 2 Generations" 3rd times the charm!! and its Going to Hurt! go close your eyes this will be messy. "Dead 360's walking"

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Shadow Flare - 603 days 23 hours ago

1.9 - Jack Meahoffer

Just taking a glance over the comments, i came across this babboon called Jack Meahoffer.

"Does the PS3 have in game voice chat yet?"
-.....yes? Like, for ages?

"How about movie rentals?"
-Nope. We don't have that service where you pay to rent a film for like 2 days and then its gone, aka. the crappest rental service going. Heard of LoveFilm.com? Besides, ps3 will be getting a service where we can BUY hd movies

"How about being able to actually play multiplayer without having to wait for a week for a patch like TF2, R6V2, COD4 and GTA IV?"
- How about playing multiplayer games lag free, host-advantage free and other ancient features of the sort? Not to mention 60 player online and dedicated servers. And free. Surely that king of online LIVE can handle that? Guess not

"Hell how about Home and native 1080p games running at 60fps you were promised when the PS3 was unvealed?"
-We're getting Home, you're not. We have 1080p NATIVE games running at 60fps, you don't

"Where are the games that benefit from Bluray? Name one game that has been longer and contained more content due to bluray?"
-oh god. just...ugh, please tell me you didn't say that. Games that benefit from bluray...duuuh, off the top of my head Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5. Idiot, it's not always the length of the game that improves because of more disc space. Its the amount of stuff the game includes. That demo level of Killzone 2 at E3 was 2GB. Just 1 level. It may have been more actually. Non-HD disc for 'HD' console = 360 FAIL

"Oh thats right you can't. Yeah thats what I thought."
......what a complete ass

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Ali_The_Brit - 603 days 22 hours ago

1.10 -

bubbles for you Darksniper :)

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shadowghost752 - 603 days 21 hours ago

1.11 - Jack Meahoffer (1.1)

Lair was 23GB in size, Resistance fall of man 1 was 17GB in size, Dynasty Warriors 6 was 25GB in size (compressed massively on Xbox 360 version), MGS4 is 50GB in size (the biggest video game ever produced on a console), Resistance 2 is confirmed to be using a 50GB blu-ray disc, ONE LEVEL of Killzone 2 is confirmed to be 2GB.

Games running at 1080p and 60fps--> WipEout HD, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Super Star Dust HD, Wardevil, THEY, All Pro Football 2K7, Blast Factor, Calling All Cars, College Hoops 2K7, The Darkness, Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer, flOw, Full Auto 2 Battlines, Harry Potter, High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition, LocoRoco Cocoreccho!, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mesmerize™: Distort (Playstation Eye), MLB The Show, NBA ‘07, NBA 2K7, Ninja Gaiden, Pirates of the Carribean, PixelJunk™ Monsters, PixelJunk™ Racers, Piyotama, Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection, Virtua Tennis 3.

I am not being a fanboy here and before you say anything else, you asked a question and i have given you an answer.

Satisfied Now?

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zethos56 - 603 days 21 hours ago

1.12 - Know what's fun?

Reading an article before you post.

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AngryTypingGuy - 603 days 20 hours ago

1.13 -

It's best to just ignore DarkSniper. He was dropped on his head many times as an infant, hence his retardation and talking in the third person.

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Tmac - 603 days 19 hours ago

1.14 - Lol.

I don't say this often but "Jack me Off" as closely his name represents got the beat down. He got all of his questions answered in full and then some. I reckon he has his tails between his legs while running away.

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Jack Meahoffer - 603 days 18 hours ago

1.15 - Wow thats the best you Sony fanboys can do?

@1.11

Lair was 25gb, res 1 was 17gb this one was 23gb and that one was 50gb. If you could read... I asked name one game that has been LONGER or contained ADDITIONAL CONTENT because of Bluray. Heavenly Sword was barely 6 hours long. Resistance was like 10 hours. They're saying your big bad 50gb MSG4 is going to be like 15 to 20 hours. Don't see any longer games there... All I see are games with redundant data 6 times on it because the drive can't read fast enough. For you fanboys you could just throw garbage files on a bluray and you'd love it cause its 800gb!! wooho

Now again name one game that has benefited from bluray....

As for your ridiculous reference to games running at native 1080p... Waste of time because your reply is so stupid but I gather you have no idea what native resolution is if you think The Darkness runs at 1080p native let alone at 60fp. What do you just make shat up? Making stuff up is that how you debate someone?

How can you have a discussion with morons that actually F'ing think THE DARKNESS and all those other games run at 1080p native. Okay so WhipOut HD you got me... I was talking about a REAL retail game you know like a MSG4 something like that... Too bad MSG4 runs in 655p or whatever.... LOL Nice flagship game...

OWNED

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t-0_ot- - 603 days 18 hours ago

1.16 - @DarkSniper -

Why wouldn't they? They have made a KILLING off of the 360, especially in Software. BUT, unfortunately, they had to deal with the RRoD so that took away some money made AND future money they coulda had. So, if it weren't for the RRoD, MicroSoft would have done just fine with the 360. So, as long as they get the next console out without problems, they will still be just fine.

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Tmac - 603 days 16 hours ago

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Jackmeoff, honestly from a non biased perspective you got your ass handed to you. The last thing I would write in a person of your position is "OWNED".

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InYourMom - 604 days ago

2.1 -

Wow, if thats the case then the PS3 is more sorry than I thought. Considering the 360 seems to be keeping up just fine with the PS3, with more games looking and performing better on its system.

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Mr PS3 - 603 days 23 hours ago

2.2 - Hey Inyourdad

Take a look at MGS4 in a months time Jerky
And you'll realize what a true Next Gen game look's like
And then the Realization should set in on your InYourDumbAss
That MGS4 is a million mile's away from anything the Xbox 3 dollar's 60 can do !!!
And that it isn't keeping up just fine
It just got Left behind to explode on your Ass

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InYourMom - 603 days 14 hours ago

2.3 -

I will be buying MGS4 when it comes out and you bet it will get the fine tooth comb treatment from me.

If it comes out and it does blow me away and shows me a game that cannot be done on the 360 then I will change my tune.

I've been involved in the MGO beta and so far I'm not impressed. I know it's a beta and I know it's toned down because of it being an online game so I'm not going to trash talk it anymore than saying "not impressed". If I find out that MGS4 has 25gig of HD video taking up the BR disc and not actual textures, music, etc I will be disappointed. If they used uncompressed video and they are saying that it's 1/3 cut scenes the argument for Blu-ray sounds weak.

Anyway, I know I sound already jaded but I am keeping an open mind and if it is something that can't be done on the 360 from a gameplay perspective I will be hear shouting it from the rooftops.

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wass007 - 604 days ago

3 - PS3 FTW!!!!

their 3rd console is likely to compete with ps3. 360 was a joke!!!!

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sabbath420 - 603 days 23 hours ago

3.1 - how can you say those things???

The 360 is a joke you say? Jokes on you bud, Why does the 360 have so many great games to play if it's a joke? The online service is the best of any console to date, and the user interface is seamless across all games and activities on the console. The joke is you don't have any of those things with the exception of a couple of good games so far. You can't count things that are not here yet. Because sony said the ps3 would be so many things it wasn't before launch. And it still to this day lacks so many standard features of the 360. Sure we don't have a bluray player yet but I bought my console to play games.

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n00bPwner - 603 days 22 hours ago

3.2 -

the one thing these moronic droids will never understand. truly sad how brainwashed they can be.

and that "PS3 FTW!!!11!1" thing u type in every comment is really f*cking lame and pathetic. almost as much as you. can't come-up with anything new? What, you finally found-out what "FTW" meant so you have to use it on every post title you make? sad sack of sh1t.

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Xlll - 604 days ago

4.1 -

Ps3 has a nice long life span that comes with using Great hardware. Unlike M$ and that overpriced outdated even at launch Hardware. Once again coping SONY with a slim model.
M$ can't come up with anything on there own.

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Xlll - 604 days ago

5.1 -

so says the xbot with one bubble.

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BeaArthur - 604 days ago

5.2 -

You make fun of him for having one bubble, but making comments like that will have you ending up with one bubble as well. Just something to think about.

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Xlll - 603 days 19 hours ago

5.3 -

If you can't handle comments here in open zone then move along.

<<<<<<<& lt;<<< that way

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Grimhammer00 - 603 days 23 hours ago

6 - I'm equally stupified by the non-sense here!

Do any of you PS3 fanbois realize that you guys have the blu-ray/quieter/previous gen. loved/Cell using mega power machine! It's amazing...yet, why has MS been able to hold out as long as it has? Certainly, PS3 should've whooped it months ago right? Help me out...why is it taking sooo long?
And what is MS going to do? 360+ or whatever - think it'll not take into consideration all of the PS3 strengths and improve on them? Is MS in a rush? Does MS even care about profit - haven't you even wondered how they are able to put out a machine after 2 generations and only in the last few months start making profit? It's a marathon folks...only much longer than what you PS3 zealots can comprehend.

It's not about beating PS3 - it's about bringing Sony to it's knees in the next decade or so for aquistion.

You Sony punks sure know what's what - then tell me, the 20 billion Sony burrowed when PS3 was only months away from launch...how much of that has been paid off by now...I don't know, but i'll bet it's not much.

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juuken - 603 days 22 hours ago

6.1 -

Wow...the xbot crowd sure gets stupider these days.

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zethos56 - 603 days 17 hours ago

6.2 - @above

lol irony

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LevDog - 603 days 23 hours ago

7 -

HAHAHA I love how 360 fans are happy "they are holding on".. Thats all I keep hearing.. 360 has held on this long blah blah blah.. UMM doesnt that sound sad when you say "Holding On" and you had a year headstart hahahahaha

Thats seriously pathetic

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PoSTedUP - 603 days 23 hours ago

8 -

16 months is a big head start, sonys starting to catch up now despite a rough/very late start. microsoft is a very wealthy company if you ask me and its amazing how sony can keep its last generation console the ps2 in the game. what ever happened to the regular x-box? bill gates has alot of money to throw around, its about time he fix the red ring of death. only time can tell my friend, so dont jump to a conclusion thinking sony fucced up, did they ever? all they gotta do is bring me my games and ill give them my money.

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n00bPwner - 603 days 22 hours ago

9 - "‘Xbox 540’ (360+180)"

oh, really? is that what 540 means? I wonder what 720 means.... I must be braindead. I can't figure it out on my own.

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juuken - 603 days 22 hours ago

10 -

So let me get this straight...
They can't even fix the 360 right now but they're planning on a 540?
If this has a smaller failure rate, then fine. If not, meh.

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zethos56 - 603 days 15 hours ago

10.1 - the "540"

Is supposed to be an improved, slimmer 360 with a lower failure rate

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juuken - 603 days 14 hours ago

10.2 -

I'll believe it when I see it.

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dem0n - 603 days 13 hours ago

10.3 - Juuken

You don't really have to see it to believe it. The smaller chip enables the 360 to run cool. Thus, getting rid of the overheating, which in turn puts an end to RROD(since the motherboard doesn't expand due to heat).

I don't know how to describe it other than this: Think of it like a 360 running as cool and quiet as the PS3.

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juuken - 603 days 7 hours ago

10.4 -

And I said it has yet to be seen.
If it took MS two damn years to identify a problem on the 360, then why should I, as a consumer buy their products? Once they come out with this, I want an official word that the failure rate is better.

If not, then I'm passing.

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PoSTedUP - 603 days 21 hours ago

11 -

no, regular xbox didnt fucc up. and the 360 is the best despite it didnt even reach 20 million and their sales are dropping significantly. welcome to reality. welcome to Sony's world.

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sabbath420 - 603 days 21 hours ago

12 - I noticed...

none of the sony fans spoke up after what I said on post 3.1. Wonder why? Seems like they don't have much to say when you put it simple like that.

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Tmac - 603 days 19 hours ago

12.1 -

Too busy ignoring you? I'm not sure actually.

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PoSTedUP - 603 days 11 hours ago

12.2 -

probably cause its not tru and we know it? i could sh!t on that comment right now. but im not that immature.

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Ace Ventura - 603 days 21 hours ago

13 -

LOL!

PS3 is going to kill the 360 in sales.

PS4 is going to kill the next Xbox in sales.

Period.

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Jenzo - 603 days 21 hours ago

13.1 -

"is going to" seems to be the key words in many of the Sony fanboys comments.

Wake me up when it actually delivers.

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