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Rumor: Microsoft May Debut New Xbox 360 Motion Controller Next Week

Rumors about Microsoft entering the waggle market with a specialized, Wii Remote concept swiping controller have been popping up for the better part of a year. Talk of a partnership with Gyration, speculation that Bungie had quashed a proposal for a motion controller tied to Halo 3 and murmurs that Rare was now tasked with leading the waggle wand brigade have been bubbling up rather consistently.

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pwnmaster3000 - 593 days 16 hours ago

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no wait it cant be 360 fans are always saying they never copy and others always copy them, but i doupt it didnt they turn it down already

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EurogamerPs3 - 593 days 15 hours ago

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They wouldn't really be copying anyone.... there's been Motion sensor controllers on PC for years.

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shelbygt33 - 593 days ago

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Everybody copies everyone else. It's just the way of the game.

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Tarasque - 592 days 22 hours ago

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Please, the wii copied gyro and ps3 copied the wii and now xbox. Who care's part of the game.

@EurogamerPs3, sorry there is so many idiot's on here to disagree when they even get straight fact's.

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Condoleezza Rice - 593 days 15 hours ago

2 - Why on Earth

Are Microsoft bothering with this tech this late into their consoles life?

If they REALLY think Nintendo's success with the Wii is primarily due to the Wiimote,then they are truly in for a surprise

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wow4u - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Are you kidding? If MS brings Newton to market, it will be a 2nd, almost as large (and more eager to buy 3rd party titles) audience to 3rd party Wii developers.

Anything that can run on Wii can easily run on Xbox 360. No one thinks that serious games (AAA hardcore titles) can be controlled by Newton/Wiimote (it just doesnt work without buttons and sticks..)

Im thinking we're going to see it soon - and its going to deliver a massive shift in the marketplace. Only the Xbox 360 is going to compete with PS3 and Wii. But Wii will not compete with PS3 and vice-versa.

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Condoleezza Rice - 593 days 14 hours ago

2.2 - No,I'm not

Tell me something: Do you HONESTLY believe that Microsoft can shed the Xbox 360s hardcore image due to the introduction of a new controller,almost 3 years into it's life?If you do,then you're not looking at this issue from a consumers standpoint.

Let me state this as clear as possible:The number of people who buy the Xbox 360 for games such as Viva Pinata absolutely PALES in comparison to the number of people who buy the console for games such as Halo and Gears of War.Look at the numbers:What are the top 3 selling Xbox 360 games?Halo 3,Gears of War,and Cod 4.Notice anything similar between this titles?All Shooters,all geared toward hardcore gamers,and all known to be THE games to own if you're going to be playing on Xbox Live.What are the top 3 selling Wii games?Wii Sports,Wii Play,and Mario Galaxy.Notice how neither of these games have Guns in them.

You can not dispute this fact:The Xbox 360 has NEVER been known as a Casual gamers console,nor has it been known as 'that console you switch on when you and your family get together to play a game'.It is simply NOT a console that promotes family gaming,even though Microsoft have indeed tried to push the 'family' image,and to little success at that.Don't believe me?Look at Scene It's sales,then look at Gears Of War's sales.It's equivalent to Night and Day.

To claim the introduction of this new Motion Controller will magically put it in direct competition with the Wii and shift the market,is absolutely ridiculous.

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edonus - 593 days 9 hours ago

2.3 - Appearantly you are one of those ppl...

That doesnt make up their own mind. Someone has to tell you thata system is casual or family based. All those terms are decoy terms to stop ppl from using their own judgement. You say 360 cant shed its image as a hardcore console. Image is nothing taste is everything or in video games place feeling is everthing. I'm not talking love and saddness i'm talkin physical touch. If MS delivers a Wii style controller that does what the Wii does equal or better what ppl think wont come to matter. You will have Wii boxing and Hi def internet enabled boxing leagues accross the 360 with realistic graphics and voice chat. It speaks for itself.

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Condoleezza Rice - 592 days 23 hours ago

2.4 - *Sigh*

"Image is nothing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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The moment you understand why Corporations invest hundreds of Millions of Dollars into Marketing,is the same moment you'll realize why it is too late for Microsoft to shed it's hardcore image associated with it's Xbox brand.And you'll also realize why it is too late to attract an entirely new market due to 1 peripheral that is NOT even THE standard form of Input for it's video game console,that ironically,has less than 5% of games for the target audience of the 'newton' motion controller.

"You will have Wii boxing and Hi def internet enabled boxing leagues accross the 360 with realistic graphics and voice chat."

So you think a 40-something year old mother and her 6 year old daughter care about playing Boxing matches with the best graphics available in Hi-Def?Signing up for Tournaments and keeping track of their stats?

*Pops in GTA IV* PM me when 70 year old women are interested in Chainsawing Locusts with their grandchildren

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tojfs7931 - 592 days 23 hours ago

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Daft? Motion Sensing is the Wii's whole raison d'etra.

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ip-student - 592 days 22 hours ago

2.6 - I don't know about image but

price and games matter. If you can get the waggle controller along with some cool game for a reasonable price then it will probably sell halfway decently (several million at least). Golf fans would flock to it (the Wii graphics looks so child-like - cannot see how anyone can stand it). How hard would it be to allow use of the waggle for some arcade games?

I think it is a decent idea - look at the success of Rock Band and Guitar Hero. All you need is the right game and you are business. And a RTS might be more fun if you have a waggle controller - it would be more mouse like when you try to select units. Could be a major deal. But even if it only sells a couple million that would be a success. And I know I would pick something like that over the Wii any day (mutters about overpriced gamecube)...

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Tarasque - 592 days 22 hours ago

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If you think the wii popularity is not from the wiimote then you are sadly mistaken. Do you think for 1 sec that if the wii didn't come with that controller that it would have sold half as much, NO WAY. Show me a wii with a normal controller and i would have said gamecube and it would have probably flopped worse than the gamecube just cause of the fact. In order to create buzz or getting people excited about your product is by showing them what you are bringing to the table and it would have been nothing if it wasn't for the wii remote.

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Homicide - 593 days 15 hours ago

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A little late don't you think?

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BLUR111 - 592 days 18 hours ago

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i rather have the air flow controllor

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ChefDejon - 593 days 15 hours ago

4 - what

if banjo is a waggle game

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OnslaughtX - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Motion controls? Bleh.

Next I await their announcement of a fully 3d, interactive home space for Xbox Live avatars, in which you can play minigames or jump into games together or share media!

It will be totally original and revolutionary.

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wow4u - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Yeah! It will be like Second Life!

Or, it will be like the 3D world that Microsoft started working on before HOME.

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OnslaughtX - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Of course, Microsoft also started work on their game console before the Playstation was a glint in Nintendo's eye.

Silly me!

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Montrealien - 592 days 21 hours ago

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why is pool/darts/bowling not unlocked in GTA 4 multiplayer? because then it would be home!

thanx to N4G podcast for that great joke!

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Action Bastard - 593 days 15 hours ago

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I see it from this perspective:

Quicken > MS Money
Google > Live Search
Flash > Silverlight
Mac OS > Vista
Wiimote > this MS abomination

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wow4u - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Nice off-topic troll. Get to the open zone ->

I should know better than to feed the trolls, but:

Quicken > MS Money
No. Not even close.

Google > Live Search
Maybe.

Flash > Silverlight
Nope. Try again.

Mac OS > Vista
Nope. Try again.

Wiimote > this MS abomination
Both are licensed from the same 3rd party. Your objection is based soley on emotion.

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Action Bastard - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Is that what Metacritic told you to say? Or did you form that all by yourself?

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Odion - 593 days 14 hours ago

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you do know that MS brought out a motion controller for the PC some 9 years ago

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Action Bastard - 593 days 14 hours ago

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And it failed 9 yrs ago. Then = Innovative. Now = lame attempt in the shadow of the Wii

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Mr Bun - 593 days 7 hours ago

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anyone aware that there were things before the pc with motion sensing...ie Nintendo Glove?

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shelbygt33 - 593 days ago

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Quicken > MS Money
I would not know, do not use either.

Google > Live Search
Definitely agree, although Live is getting better ... slowly.

Flash > Silverlight
Unless you are a Flash and Silverlight developer, then I really doubt you know what you are talking about.

Mac OS > Vista
Okay, I'll give you Vista can be a headache. Throw in XP up there and then switch your arrow the other way. Plus, Mac OS is fine, but nothing super duper awesome. I'd call this one even.

Wiimote > this MS abomination
Yet to be seen, I think.

Why not throw up there
MS Office > Open Office
Xbox Live > PSN (in their current forms)

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Tmac - 592 days 18 hours ago

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The unwillingness to admit the Google search engine is much, much, much more superior than Windows Live Search shows your clear bias, personally you've lost credibility.

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wow4u - 593 days 15 hours ago

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It looks very promising. I hope MS does bring this Newton to market.

3rd Party Motion-control developers are going to *love* having another market to deliver its games. As a result, motion-control games will get more investment.

Its not like motion-control games are going to replace proper button-and-sticks controlled games (it just doesnt work because of physiology)...

If MS delivers the Newton, its a win-win for everyone.

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Superfragilistic - 593 days 13 hours ago

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The day this site returns to its roots and abandons this fanboy crap the better.

This decision to go motion controlled is purely business based, not game based like so many would like to believe. The strongest selling point for the 360 up to this moment has been it's huge software range (now nearing 1000 titles), you rightly point out that motion control capabilities would immediately open up an avenue for third parties to publish on more than one platform, which in turn will see an even greater software range and diversity on MS system. EA, THQ and Ubisoft have all shown a renewed interest in this section of the market and would strongly back the move.

What would be interesting is if the attach rates of these titles on the 360 outstrip the Wii we may see the ironic development of motion focused developers moving towards the 360 as the lead platform and porting or abandoning the Wii. Currently this seems unlikely, but it is within the realm of possibility.

But the key driver to all this is as evidenced by the strongly aligned voices in these forums, the hardcore are already locked up. They either have a PS3 or a 360 and believe in that system alone (although occasionally they have both). Meanwhile the Wii has the casual market all to itself, and that is growing at a rate that greatly outstrips both systems.

Microsoft and Sony would be crazy to ignore the casual market... and that's why increasingly they're not. All we're seeing is different market strategies to capture part of this market. Microsoft appears to believe in developing motion control peripherals, Sony is clearly more interested in pushing casual software titles like Buzz and Singstar.

Neither method has been proven in this generation, but Sony's push in casual software is certainly the far less risky option. Microsoft are taking a large but calculated risk, that will either succeed beyond everyone's expectations and ride the waggle euphoria of the casual masses or will fail miserably but leave their share of the hardcore intact. Only time will tell.

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gogators - 593 days 15 hours ago

8 - If you think that by coping the Wii and it's contoller,

you'll suddenly be marketable to the casual market; well I think you'll find yourself mistaken. The Wii sells for more reasons than just a funny controller. How about you worry about reducing costs and making games. 360 is not perceived as a casual console and wasting money a waggle controller won't change that.

Oh, and leave Rare alone, let them make games and not have them worring about pushing useless concept controller crap.

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hollowtipz_360 - 593 days 15 hours ago

9 - Lets see

wow ms need to worry about the console failure rate....i hop this is nop a flop or a desperate move by ms

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permutated - 593 days 14 hours ago

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Dear lord I hope not.

I just want to play games, not waggle and wiggle to make a character bounce on the screen. If I wanted well done motion controls I would buy a Wii.

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wow4u - 593 days 14 hours ago

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That is pretty silly.

Some games will be waggle. The games that are *meant* to be Newton controlled will-be. The market has room for both.

Unfortunatley, my comment above has been nuked by the sony-loyal; but what is going to happen here? 3rd Party Wii developers are going to *FLOCK* to this Newton. Without a doubt. All those low-attach rate wii owners are going to get the Xbox 360 owners supporting the quality of their games.

It would be interesting if Banjo Kazooie did this to drop a nuke on Wii this Saturnalia.

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OnslaughtX - 593 days 14 hours ago

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I'm just loyal to intelligence. Take that as you will. But why bother wasting time and money developing a 360 game when you can spend a quarter of the money on a PS2 port to the Wii and shoehorn in motion controls?

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gogators - 593 days 13 hours ago

10.3 - They may even be able spend even less than that.

How many 3rd party games for the Wii do you really want to see on the 360. I just can't see 3rd party developers wanting to spend money and waste time porting game to the 360 just because some new controller is out. Companies have the right to do what they want, but this is one that MS should just stay out of.

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XB-T - 593 days 14 hours ago

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That's an act of desperation. Poor MS gets their ass kicked left and right, so they have to release a wiilike controller. Sony is just getting started and MS is already grasping for air haha

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 593 days 8 hours ago

11.1 - well

It's true...

The thing is...consumers are idiots. I see it every single day at Gamestop. People buy Iron Man. People buy Wii Fit. People bought Gamecubes...(see my point?)

I try to warn them as much as possible.

This dude wanted to get LOST: Via Domus the other day...so, I told him it was rather disappointing...especially if you're a fan of the show. He got Uncharted instead. Yeah, that was a close one. I'm glad he'll be enjoying his life now though.

Consumers never put ANY time into what they're going to buy unless they're highly intellectual human beings. There aren't many of them these days. You know, the British are quite intellectual. The British also buy PS3's. Is there a pattern there? I think so.

Look how well the Wii sold. Consumers don't even KNOW that they won't play it after the first week. They buy it without thinking.

Trust me...they'll buy anything that's marketed well enough. If the name Mario is attached to something...it will sell.

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Tarasque - 592 days 22 hours ago

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Sony hasn't even got started yet, they will let you know when it is time.

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OOG - 593 days 13 hours ago

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its funny because mostly everyone who has posted thinks that a motion controller from MS is a bad idea....but why is it?

Most likely when the next gen does come around dont you think MS should have an idea about implementing motion controllers?? Personally I think they should have both the motion sensing controllers and the normal 360 controllers based on the type of games people want to play.

But anyway back to the topic...with more powerful machines they could actually make motion sensing games that are more intense and may appeal to a large crowd of people as well as possibly the Wii market....even tho it may be to late this gen....2 or 3 years down the road it could be the perfect idea to add as a feature with their next system.....so its more of a look into the future instead of so called act of desperation some may say.....

Think of it kinda like the ps3 with the six axis...stupid idea and now they know....but it wont be their last attempt at using motion controls either....just a stepping stone into the future of gaming

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mistertwoturbo - 593 days 8 hours ago

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The problem with MS trying to release this kind of motion control for they're system, is because it was never part of the core experience from the 360 to begin with. When people hear "Video game system with motion controls" they are going to automatically think Wii.

Now I'm not saying that this will be or not be a success on MS's end, but they sure don't have an identity of what they're console is doing for the consumers anymore. The 360 was known as the hardcore gamer's machine, and guess what. It attracted a lot of hardcore gamers. But it's going to stoop down to "Hardcore gamer's machine, but with motion controls for the casuals."

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Tarasque - 592 days 22 hours ago

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But for the people that have a 360 and not a wii. They can just buy the remote's and not worry about a wii.

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edonus - 593 days 9 hours ago

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I dont want a Wii because it looks like XBOX1. If the 360 came out with this controller I would get it. If they bundled it with their own set of mini games like the Wii does, you will get it. Yes you. Say it all you want but once EA starts making Tiger Woods golf, and Fight Night in hi def with waggle support. OH yeah.

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 593 days 8 hours ago

14 - well

Let's call it a "last-ditch effort".

*smirk*

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wow4u - 593 days 1 hour ago

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What do you mean "last ditch"? MS can read sales. They know they've got 19M machines in homes, hey know they've got a industry-record attach rate.

Bring this to market, and 3rd party Wii devs are going to love it. And, Xbox 360 is going to drink the Wii's milkshake.

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Tarasque - 592 days 22 hours ago

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Well that reply is a last ditch effort.

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Nadine Coyle - 593 days 7 hours ago

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this could act as a test run for the next xbox?

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jollygoodchap8 - 593 days 5 hours ago

16 - Yep...it's only a good idea when MS backs it.

But when Nintendo or Sony does it...TERRIBLE IDEA!! THEY'RE COPYING THE WII!! GIMMICK!! FAD!! LITTLE KIDS TOY!! THAT'S SAD!!

...Hypocrites

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Leon Kennedy - 593 days 4 hours ago

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Yeah! Great! Just make it compatible with Resident Evil 5 and we'll be in business. Aiming is stupidly easy with the Wii remote - this is what RE5 on 360 needs. That way we can quit wishing for RE5 on Wii AND enjoy the game with 360's graphics. Bring it on!

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JokerSGS - 593 days 1 hour ago

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You know whats funny is all the 360 fanboys were all trying to knock Sony for copying Nintendo with venturing into motion control but now the company they support is doing the same thing. Can't wait to see how stupid this will be.

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Glad to be a gamer - 592 days 23 hours ago

18.1 - My problem with six axis is that it is a poor representation of what motion controls should be.

The wii mote/nun chuk work well accurate and precise enough to not inhibit gameplay.

The six axis on the other hand is pretty poor to use for anything but shaking fire off in resistance. to imprecise which is why the lair controls got slated.

Thats what happens when you try to tack some thing on in at the last moment.

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Breakfast - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Yay! Now casual gamers can experience RROD :)

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Danja - 593 days 15 hours ago

1.1 - LOL

that was kinda silly but funny none the less.....

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DarkSniper - 593 days 15 hours ago

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Nintendo entered the console gaming industry in the 80's. Sony did the same in the 90's. Microsoft is the last new entity to do the same.

Nintendo and Sony are both slaughtering Xbox 360 in worldwide sales. Nintendo being in 1st place, Sony in 2nd place, Microsoft in 3rd place.

Nintendo and Sony simultaneously created motion sensing controls to be readily available at launch. Now Microsoft is being the last company to follow in the true gaming innovator's footsteps.

Microslaves, arent you tired of being in last place?

$niper

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Ureval - 593 days 14 hours ago

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Dark Sniper, what happened? You used to be cool.

The PS3 is not slaughtering the 360. Its is definately outselling it in the console arena, but it makes sense witht the PS finally coming out with good games. But Xbox is still winning in the software sales, and PS3 is not leading by that much, leading mainly in Europe. Are you in Europe? Im not so I could care less. I live in America.

As for the remote I think its cool. If it works well it might be really cool to go back and replay some great shooters with it. Id like to see XBox come out with some great party games, but its hard to say whether they can do it. Nintendo has the lock on that area, but well see.

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brothersimon - 593 days 14 hours ago

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he used to be cool but he realised how 360 will win the war so trys his best to defend the droidstation :(

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Britjadg - 593 days 5 hours ago

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i'm sorry but the two of you above are clearly xbox users. how do you not pull this man up on a 6million defecit. ps3 is not slaughtering anything its third in software sales and hardware sales alike. i'm sorry but you can disagree all you like and talk about how ps3 is gaining moment etc. but the fact remains ps3 is 3rd and has 6 million hardware sales to make up before its even on par with 360

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AngryTypingGuy - 592 days 21 hours ago

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Be Reasonable, I disagree...DarkSniper was never cool.

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sabbath420 - 592 days 19 hours ago

2.5 - please...

How can you say that crud. MS had a motion sensing controller long ago for the pc under the sidewinder logo. Also, sony seems to be trying the online arena as MS paved the way for online console gaming. You ps3 fans say often " we don't mind waiting as long as it is perfect". Well maybe MS perfected motion sensing.

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Xlll - 592 days 16 hours ago

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funny how they gave up on the crap half assed sidewinder. But now that sony and nintendo have good motion sensors they have to copy cat them. Makes sense Xbox was demolished by PS2. 360 is on track to repeat that same fate. So why not copy the best companies out there to avoid being beaten like you owe sony and nintendo money? Sadly nothing will help a console with such a sad line up of games for 08 and a 33% fail rate.

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PoSTedUP - 593 days 14 hours ago

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motion for the wii kinda ruined the classics for me. like mario kart,and regular mario, now its going to ruin good old banjo. not that i care. idrather buy a game cube than a wii, its better.

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brothersimon - 593 days 14 hours ago

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This will make 360 sell more...

And it must be true since MS would have denied it by now.

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RiceBoy - 593 days 13 hours ago

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that controller looks very simillar to wii's controller... ms needs their own ideas...

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brothersimon - 593 days 6 hours ago

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/me looks at your screename

oh.. so basically everything you say is out of spite, jealousy and hate.

go you :D

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Nadine Coyle - 593 days 1 hour ago

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and your trying to say you dont take any part of it.

your just as bad. arguing to him. you critisize him for being a bot, yet you argue with him and stoop down to his level.

the cheek on it.

JUMP IN & PLAY BEYOND

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THE_JUDGE - 593 days 5 hours ago

7 - They will debut it to laughter

and ridicule, they should make more good games instead of making a copy controller.

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DoubleVeez - 592 days 22 hours ago

9 - facts bout stealing

i think sony is the biggest theif of intellectual property in the console arena
1.stolen analog stick-n64
2.shoulder buttons-snes
3.rumble-n64
4.motion-wii
5.acheivements sytem-xbox 360
sony has no swag!! its entire legacy comes from a time when they were the only c0cks on the block!!and they steal all original ideas and present it as if it were their own. the had a monopoly on third party software for 2 full generations!!now that theres comp they are being exposed a shell of a gaming brand who really pushes other forms of entertainment via the classic trojan horse strategy. now im no fan of mega corp. but MS has attached itself to the hard core and is creating agaming brand that is truly about games.. thats somethin xtards and sony droids can appreciate as MS is the new sega. and they will make sony man up and adopt a strategy more about games. say what u want but MS is innovating games wise.. sure there are alot of shooters. but the quality of alot of the top tier games(bioshock mass effect GOW knights of the old republic riddick ) those were all great games that stretched beyond the conventional .

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Tmac - 592 days 20 hours ago

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Cry a river, fanboys can be so ridiculous. If your going tit for tat, Microsoft stole the first ever operating system, I think that tops them all since they're implemented in over a billion machines world wide.

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sabbath420 - 592 days 19 hours ago

9.2 - I agree...

every word you wrote is true and all the sony fans that disagree are in complete denial as usual.

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AngryTypingGuy - 592 days 21 hours ago

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MS was the first one to really put an intense focus on online gaming, and to include an HDD with a console. Geez Sony, quit trying to be like MS.

And Nintendo, quit copying Atari. Red buttons on a controller? C'mon, be more original that that!

I think we can all agree that they've all innovated in some areas and borrowed in others. When trying to make the next console as good as possible, it makes sense to throw in great features that are proven, as well as to try to innovate new ones.

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Xlll - 592 days 16 hours ago

10.1 -

last time i checked not all 360's have a HDD. All PS3's do. We can upgrade ours anytime we want. You have to pay out the @SS to get a bigger MS made HDD which will most likely given the 360's track record fail on you and have to be replaced.

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AngryTypingGuy - 591 days 21 hours ago

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Yeah, that's true that not all 360s have an HDD, but all PS3s do. But it doesn't change the fact that Sony didn't innovate having an HDD in a console. It was MS that did that.

But the included and upgradeable HDD is definitely something that I like better about the PS3 this generation. MS does overcharge for the 120 GB HDD, that's for damn sure.

Sony is not the creator of everything good in the videogame business. I think we can all agree that MS is the innovator of online console gaming. I believe Sega attempted it with the Dreamcast, but MS is the one who really got creative behind it and took it to a whole new level.

By the way, not every 360 fails. I've had mine since late Jan. 2006, and I've put it through the ringer. It actually runs pretty cool to the touch, at least compared to some other 360s I've felt.

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Xlll - 591 days 20 hours ago

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Sony never created anything? you must be high. Heres just one thing. Try to think of where some many of these titles you been enjoying would be had sony said no to RE GTA FF7 to name a few. Eyetoy which tracks movement. Somthing M$ will copy.

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AngryTypingGuy - 591 days 19 hours ago

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XIII, I think you read my post wrong. I never said that Sony didn't create ANYthing, I just said that they didn't create EVERYthing, which is what many Sony fanboys would have you believe. I believe what I said in my first post: that they have all innovated, and they have all borrowed.

That motion-sensing thing? I heard the same thing about the 360 camera.

If Sony said no to RE and GTA and FF, they would've went to other consoles. Weren't all of the RE's on the GameCube? RE4 was exclusive to the GC for quite awhile. FF has been on Nintendo systems. I don't see how those games would've disappeared if they weren't allowed on Sony's systems.

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Xlll - 591 days 15 hours ago

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Well for starters. The Eyetoy has been around since PS2. So if the 360 cam is a clear copy if they want to use it in the way the PS Eye is used. RE at the time wouldn't be able to run on a SNES same goes for GTA. FF7 would be 12 carts big on a N64. GC came a long time after the PSone. Those IP's could have been dead in the water without Sony. What has M$ done for gaming that hasn't been done already?

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AngryTypingGuy - 591 days 11 hours ago

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XIII, there was a 1.5 year gap between the time that PlayStation was released and N64 was released. They would've all went to N64 if Sony said no. Final Fantasy 1 was an NES game, and FF's or at least their spin-offs have been on Nintendo (and MS) systems ever since. GTA didn't come out until after the N64 was released, and RE came out shortly before they were released. All three would've seeked licenses with Nintendo if Sony didn't want them, or else gone to PC. They would've done something with them before just throwing them out. I'm sure they would've had to make some concessions to the games if they had to be moved from CD to cartridge, but they would've made them work.

You asked what MS has done for gaming that hasn't been done already.
1. They helped place an emphasis on western style games over eastern style games (thank God).

2. The were the first to use an HDD with a video game console.

3. Xbox Live - I don't think I need to say how this revolutionized gaming. What other console brought online gaming to the forefront like this? None.

MS was the last one to enter the console business, so there was less to do before anyone else. I don't see why you can't accept the fact that they all have innovated and they all have borrowed from each other. That's a fair, neutral statement. Sony didn't invent everything, sorry.

As far as the PS Eye goes, it's essentially a computer camera, which has been around for year. I don't think either company innovated that idea. I know that they've been talking about eventually using both cameras for motion control, so I don't see how MS is directly copying Sony in that aspect, especially since trying to use the camera for motion sensing after the success of the Wii-mote is the common sense thing to do.

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juuken - 592 days 20 hours ago

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Dear M$,

I know it's hard but you have got to come up with your own ideas. Stop ripping off of other successful franchises.

Signed,
Me

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sabbath420 - 592 days 19 hours ago

11.1 - did you not...

read all the post above yours? How can you deny facts? It is so typical of you sony fans to spout off like little kids and deny facts that are right in front of you as plain as day. Amazing!

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juuken - 592 days 18 hours ago

11.2 -

And what facts are these?
Please, enlighten me.
I'm waiting.

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AngryTypingGuy - 592 days 16 hours ago

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The facts are that they've all innovated and all copied. None are better than the other in that aspect. You think Sony doesn't steal any ideas? Please. The Wii is the only reason they put that stupid tilt feature in their controller. And if Sony was so innovative they would've foreseen the popularity of online console gaming and beat MS to the punch. On top of that, PS2 would've had an HDD.

Consider yourself enlightened.

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juuken - 592 days 13 hours ago

11.4 -

That's not being enlightened.
Those are facts pulled from your ass.

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AngryTypingGuy - 591 days 21 hours ago

11.5 -

They're facts nonetheless, dipsh!t. You hate it cuz it's true.

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Xlll - 591 days 15 hours ago

11.6 -

PS2 had an HDD Addon that didn't cost an arm and a leg. We could pull it out and put it back in without voiding any warranty too.

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DoubleVeez - 592 days 18 hours ago

12 - yeaits ok

hey man.. sometimes people have problems seeing flaws in the brand of their choice i was once a nintendo fan .. as their strategy for gaming faltered so did my faith.i didnt like MS in the begining.. i aw them as the big corp. comin to try and monopolize gaming. but slowly MS unveiled a brilliant strategy that is based on GAMERS
xbox live+gamers hardcore gaming-gamers original titles-gamers sony was acheiving what they were acheiving by default.just look at their strategy.. they never took the time to secure many titles that had previously only appeared on a sony system.. resident evil.. onimusha.. max payne.. gta.. all of these were in sony's hand why did they not buy the IP?BECAUSE THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE DOIN!!the only franchise they took the time to secure was final fantasy.. and only cuz it made soooo much money they corporate talking heads said we cannot risk this going into someone elses pocket! who woulda thunk it?! MS BEING LESS OF A MACHINE THAN SONY? at least gameswise they are ms has plugged itself into they main vain of the hardcore gamers heart.. they have been about the gaming culture!! they are worthy competitors and that why despite hardware failures i still support the 360.. hardware failure is nothing new.. a company that listens to the will of the gamer? now thats a concept we've been waitin on for years.. just ask nintendo fans

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power of Green - 592 days 18 hours ago

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Holy fuc the repsonse from Sony trolls in here is outstanding. I would be worried too if a more powerful console had the appeal the Wii has with the casuals, Sony would be finished its understandable why Sony fanboys are outraged at the idea of MSFT winning the hardcore and the casual masses.

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DFresh - 592 days 16 hours ago

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They are copying the Nintendo Wii's controller scheme that's plagiarism.
I'm surprised Microsoft doesn't get sued for stealing other people's ideas.
It's like when MS Copied Apple's Ipod with the Zune and no one seemed to care.
No innovation in their products they just try to copy other people's stuff.

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Xlll - 592 days 16 hours ago

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no one cared about Zune for the same reason no one will care for this remote. They both are trash and cheaply made.

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