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Passing Xbox 360 is important because we've been mistreated, says SCEE president

Speaking to videogaming247 at the SCEE PlayStation Day yesterday, SCEE president David Reeves said that the company decided to make an announcement about passing Xbox 360 sales in Europe in the event's press conference because of previous ill treatment, both from consumers and Microsoft.

"I think the fact that [Microsoft] launched 18 months before… It is significant for us because we get so many things thrown at us, because we were too expensive, we came too late, we didn't launch early enough in Europe, and Xbox have been saying, 'Well, we're doing well and we're the best the console,' so we thought, for once we will say, actually, very quietly, 'We've passed them,'" he said.
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Published: 609 days 19 hours ago | News | PlayStation 3 | Xbox 360
 
 

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1.1 Goodfella2487 | 609 days 18 hours ago - deleted by mod -
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heyheyhey - 609 days 18 hours ago
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@CNIVEK

so when's your auto-biography going on sale?

j/k
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xg-ei8ht - 609 days 19 hours ago
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He's totally correct.

M$ are about to get KILLZOWNED,MGS4OWNED,LBPOWNED, and every other type of ownage there is.
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AngryHippo - 609 days 19 hours ago
2.1 - ......
.....lol
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yanikins111 - 609 days 18 hours ago
2.2 - lol
You should have left it at killzowned. Nice
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avacadosnorkel - 609 days 18 hours ago
3 - Microsoft
doesn't like the taste of its own medicine.

Excpect a spin on these numbers through various media outlets within a day.
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heyheyhey - 609 days 18 hours ago
3.1 -
Microsoft: "ZOMG ITZ A LIE- Sony is santa and just shoved PS3's down your chimneys to inflate numbers LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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heyheyhey - 609 days 18 hours ago
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wait a sec im not up to speed on this

they passed the lifetime sales of the 360 in Europe?

i swear they said that's only going to happen by summer, and i could've sworn there's still a little bit to go (well, according to VG anyway)
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crck - 609 days 18 hours ago
4.1 - Yes according to Sony
If MS doesn't respond within a day or two I think its safe to call it true. And VGchartz will officially be a million+ units off.
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Lumbo - 609 days 18 hours ago
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vgchartz "Europe/other" is more than just europe(as the name should tell you...), it includes Australia Africa southern America and Asia (except japan) AND they never post "shipped" numbers anyways. Sony claims that they now have SHIPPED more ps3s to Europe than MS has shipped xbox360 to the same area. That is quite good considering the 18 month headstart.
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Britjadg - 609 days 18 hours ago
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the 18/12 million split in VG is GLOBAL hardware sales.

other than the uk which seems to show a much stronger 360 preference, the rest of europe has pretty much stuck two fingers up at 360 - (there are a couple of exceptions). lets not forget Japan, (which while not europe)not only stuck two fingers up at 360, but then proceeded to metaphorically piss all over it.

it was in the US predominantly that the PS3 was getting stomped, and as we see on a week by week basis - that hasn't been true since end of last year: the consoles have been pretty much even pegging.
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heyheyhey - 609 days 17 hours ago
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yeah i know VG has global sales on the front page

but the also list that 360 has a higher number for Europe/others than the PS3

a misunderstanding which Lumbo kindly cleared up for me

thanks Lumbo +bubbles
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jkhan - 609 days 18 hours ago
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If you ask me they are still being mistreated by 3rd party developers who developed inferior ports and then put the while blame on PS3. PS3 was no doubt expensive and was out of reach of many gamers. But it came with a future proof guarantee, now the price is right, the games are here and the bluray is the standard. So lets hope Sony now capitalizes on this set and produces some amazing games.
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Saint Sony - 609 days 18 hours ago
6 - Dreams, just dreams.
Gotta love the promo talk and dreams.
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SL1M DADDY - 609 days 18 hours ago
7 - I'm actually glad to see it.
Sony may have mislead us from time to time but they have also done something for the gaming industry that nobody else had done before it. They brought to the table a huge list of new innovations and for a great price. I could go into detail but the details are small in light of the FACT that Sony brought us all the PSone, and the PS2. Great platforms that many of us have had great times on. Now with the PS3, we are again, seeing Sony deliver reliable hardware that has a great deal many features and the games are looking and playing great.

Over the past few months I have seen fans, gamers, and corporations bare their ugly sides as Sony made a few mistakes. Now, it is being shown that they have changed faces and are trying hard to deliver to us what WE want and they are succeeding in the numbers. Finally, it is Sony's day again and they deserve it. They have come down from their pedestal and have come down to our level and are trying to get back our desires and our love for them.

They are doing it and they are showing us that they are not going away. Thanks Sony for making me a happy camper and your welcome for my contribution to the numbers you have posted up in sales.
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blindfromthesun - 609 days 15 hours ago
7.1 - Sony may have mislead us from time to time
lol. Thats like saying its ok to lie and cheat.
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Lumbo - 609 days 18 hours ago
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Interesting how the quote says "we had lotsa stuff thrown at us" and VG247 warps that into "Sony says we have been MISTREATED by customers"

The first being absolutely true, they HAD lotsa stuff thrown at them, including the ridicules high price at launch (i still bought one ..) and other stuff. But only cause thats true it does not magically translates into "mistreatment" and Reeves never talked off mistreatment ..

Imho a unhealthy dose of spin on the title to generate hits
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Superfragilistic - 609 days 18 hours ago
10 - The Infallible Sony!
"because of previous ill treatment, both from consumers and Microsoft."

Honestly, does Sony believe they are responsible for anything that goes wrong with their messianic PS3?

Maybe underperformance has more to do with price points, a lack of quality software (even Kaz admitted that!) and branding arrogance.

Microsoft giving you ill treatment? Well duh they're your main competitor and are only as guilty as yourselves.

In regards to games developers. Well if you listened to them earlier (same goes for consumers) you might've realised that cell processors are completely foreign to most and its much cheaper and easier to publish on a more PC like 360. What good is a big black V8 if you can't get people to drive it?
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Bullseye - 609 days 17 hours ago
11 - 'passing the xbox 360 was important'
No.Passing the xbox 360 was essential if Sony have any hope of maintaining this generation. Not being funny, but i suspect MS will be quite happy with their performance and Sony will be much happier now,than before.I don't say this out of any preference or bias, but i really don't think Sony would have anticipated such a strong presence by MS in this generation.Ultimately ,Sony will probably sell more numbers ,but MS won't be too distraught about it.Both consoles are winners AND losers in my book, but for gamers it's win and win.
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blindfromthesun - 609 days 17 hours ago
12 - What a hippocrate
I thought that Sony had learned they're lesson and grown up. Arrogant prick still define the company to me. Sony needs to keep their PR on a shorter leash and tell them to stfu. Guess what Sony Defense Force, competition is good and you can shove it with your biased "Playstation is God" comments. Mistreated...more like humiliated that your not the top dog like the Wii is.

Edit: I like the Playstation brand but I hate the arrogant, I am the best attitude the company seems to possess. I would respect Sony more if they owned their mistakes. Does the Rootkit fiasco ring a bell?
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somelikeithot - 609 days 17 hours ago
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Why stoop to microsoft's level???
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hardmetal - 609 days 17 hours ago
14 - I agree with him
Yes. Sony was mistreated from the Xbox and allow me to say the media too. Now, a fact remains as a fact and nothing will change it. PS3 passed x360 in europe and this is a huge success for SCEI which comes after the success of the Blu-ray format. However, Sony now needs to review their marketing strategy and plan a list of actions that need to be applied this year ( cough Transformers PS3 bundle cough ) especially after delaying KZ2 and home. Marketing ...focus on marketing!
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edhe - 609 days 17 hours ago
15 - How can Sony complain of mistreatment...
When it's them that have been making false promises, fleecing customers, subverting the media market and forcing customers to wait for substandard or as-yet not delivered products on their platform, jeebus don't get the world started about 'mistreatment' from Sony - the company that regards ripping your CDs as a crime worthy of jailtime.

To those that bought a ps3 for gaming.. more fool them. It's inexplicable that anyone would buy one above a 360 for gaming, except for ignorance or fanboyism.
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The Wood - 609 days 17 hours ago
15.1 - whatever mate
If your the 'glass half empty' type then you could believe that. Here's a life tip; Dont believe everything PR people say. Its their job.

Im gunna stick my neck out and assume you own one of the 'other' consoles and that they too have made zero false promises and have never 'fleeced' their customers ever. You may live in Utopia but on this here planet earth ALL organisations do sh*t, every last one of them. If you do in fact know this then what's the point of your statement? Sony have done some good things for us consumers but they obviously aren't worth mentioning are they only the bad crap
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The Wood - 609 days 17 hours ago
16 - @blindfromthesun, I kinda agree with ya
In Europe and Asia spokespeople from the original companies home rarely dismiss their competitors. I rarely hear a BMW spokesperson downplaying Mercedes or Honda dismissing Toyota. Up until about 12 years ago companies weren't even allowed to mention other companies in a negative light in advertising and public speeches (Europe) I hear its always been allowed in the States. For me it just seems like insecurities/fear. You can 'big up' your own status without downplaying others. If your mouth is constantly full of the names of your competitors then it wreaks of fear to me personally. The non-indigenous spokes people of these organisations seem to adopt this type of behaviour more than the indigenous ones. Im sure its a cultural thing. The format war was arguably bigger than the console war yet I rarely saw Japanese spokespeople from Sony et el or Toshiba badmouth each other to the extent which has been seen in this console war.

Ill add that i can understand why this guy would say this. I just feel there are more humble ways of 1upmanship. I feel this type of pr battle is the MS way. (especially this gen) Sony have now inadvertently admitted to the world that MS are an issue and have become major in this here console war. Most people believe fud that was spread about sony and statements that were made in the article SHOULD dispel some of the fud I just feel there are other ways.

Either way good on ya Sony Europe, we always knew it was your second home
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andapaul88 - 609 days 17 hours ago
17 - from a 2 system owner
y r ppl sayin that its good sony finally stands up remember they were the bullies always talking shlt about msft and then ms let loose on them , theis guy is a whiny little bltch how can u call something mistreatment on problems that u all caused......... blaming ms cus of launching early please when ps2 was coming out sony told ppl straight up at e3 to not buy dreamcast and wait on ps2 so y hasnt bltched about mistreatment, i'll tell u y cus competition isnt suppose to be all buddy buddy and fair sony wants ms to just rollover on its back and die like last gen
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Jason 360 - 609 days 16 hours ago
18 - I know this will be deleted by a mod but...
This guy cries as much as it's fans. Petition or boycott anyone? It's almost like he was saying "it's not fair (STOMP STOMP) We had 120 million last time and Microsoft took some of that fanbase (STOMP STOMP) IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR! WERE GOING TO GET THEM... WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT... IT'S NOT FAIR!"

Face it PS3 "will not" achieve PS2 statusm and the lowsy attach rate of the PS3 is't moving out of 3. When you compare the sales and time frame of the PS2 vs the PS3, the PS3 should have 20 million sold by now. The Playstation crown has been ripped of it's head and the Playstation is off in the corner crying while Nintendo puts a diamond studded crown for console sales, and Microsoft gets two, one for games and the other for online.

The Playstation 3 was late to the party, they were late because of Blu-Ray, late with exclusives, late with multiplatform, late with graphics, late with rumble, late with online, late with an online store and just downright late for gamers. Enjoy the PS3 guys, you sure as hell waited long enough for it.
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SL1M DADDY - 609 days 16 hours ago
18.1 - lol
You're a tool bud and everybody here knows it. You speak of the future and say that the PS3 will not sell like the PS2 and yet, from the numbers, the PS3 is tracking as well as and even better in some regions than the PS2 so I wonder how long it will be for you to see that there is a greater chance that the PS3 sells like the PS2 than you think... Also, since when was a 4:1 attach ratio bad? Last I checked the Wii and the PS3 were at the industry norm for attachment ratios and the 360 is just alarmingly high. It's not that the PS3 is low and dismal, it's that you are comparing it to the 360 which has done better than average for attachment ratios. In the past, even the PS2 hit about a steady stride of 5:1.

Your so full of crap these days man that your posts seem fictional.
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Shadow Flare - 609 days 15 hours ago
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Isn't the ps3 selling practically identically as the ps2 was last generation in europe? Despite being hugely more expensive?

And hasn't the PS3 outsold Xbox 360 EVERY month worldwide since October 2007?

Why won't PS3 achieve PS2 lifetime sales?

Personally if i think if there is a reason, its the wii. Because 360 is doing nothing to the ps3. Once again, Xbox = FAIL
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Jason 360 - 609 days 14 hours ago
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"Isn't the ps3 selling practically identically as the ps2 was last generation in europe"

Repeat

"Isn't the ps3 selling practically identically as the ps2 was last generation in europe"

This time pay close attention to this part "in europe" last time I checked the PS2 needed the whole world to get 120 million, sorry dudes europe isn't enough.

Now next time come at me with some real data that the PS3 is doing as well as the PS2, and not dreams and fantasy.

Fact: the Wii and 360 have taken a large chunk of the Playstation pie. The Wii has doubled last gens numbers in a year and a half, while the 360 has reached the first Xbox install base in three years. Nether one of these two consoles are showing any sign slowing down. The Wii outsells the PS3 in games and in consoles in every country, while the 360 outsells the PS3 in games in every country, and outsells the PS3 in consoles in NA (the most important market) Where is the PS3? in dead last in every catigory (still) I know "but the 360 has been out longer" well that's not what everyone said before the playstation launch, the PS3 was supposed to outsell the entire install base of the 360 "in it's first year".

Move along, move along, nothing here to see, just denial, spin, fantasy, and dreams. You two have a nice day now :)
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Tarasque - 609 days 14 hours ago
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My problem is he need's to quit whining and start looking over these game's. And thing's seem to get a little worse i think, I am not happy with the MGO, I am not happy with the Haze demo, I wasn't impressed with the RES2 gameplay trailer, and now i just watched the gameplay of Motostorm PR and i am like wtf is going on here. I understand that alot of this stuff is beta and still has a way to go, but my lord it is dissapointing me not hyping me up. LBP getting pushed back and killzone2 getting pushed back until next year. Come on guy's surely i am not the only one that feel's this way.
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heyheyhey - 609 days 14 hours ago
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here ya go jason:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunc...

as you can see from the chart the PS3 is keeping line with PS2

also note that its doing way better than 360 was doing at that time
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Lcarrero5 - 609 days 12 hours ago
18.6 - "while the 360 has reached the first Xbox install base in three years"
Talk about spin. Icould be wrong but didn't the first xbox get 40 millon? Good job with the chart HeyHeyHey. Quit being so whinny Jason
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Death - 609 days 16 hours ago
19 - You know what would be imressive?
Beating the Wii. Anywhere.

Sony owned 75% of the market last gen. They have recaptured less than 10% of their own market share so far this generation while their competitors are very close to recapturing 100% of theirs and growing. Spin it any way you like, but PS3's global numbers are in line with a competitor that took a 12% stake of the market last gen. If the SCEE boss is impressed with that, they need someone else in charge.

-Death
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yanikins111 - 609 days 15 hours ago
19.1 - True
But last gen is still going. Its lasted ten years. NO ONE can tell me the wii will last that long. I simply refuse to believe it. Once the ps3 and 360 drop their prices the wii is all but dead imo. Its been good to get nintendo back in the market but i dont see it having long term sales like the ps2. I think sony are more than happy to wait out the next year or two until ps3 sales really pick up. I dont think either of the other consoles have the legs that the ps3 does.

Unfortunately sony may be doing themselves some hurt in that MS and Nintendo are probably going to start releasing new consoles well before sony has run the ps3 as far as it can.
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Coke-a-Cola - 609 days 16 hours ago
20 - Sony may have been wearing Sneakers early on.......God knows I was there.
But they certainly have on the right shoes now........and they know just how to walk , without a false swagger.
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Lcarrero5 - 609 days 12 hours ago
21.1 - ... ?
Sounds Like what your doing now! LMAO!!!
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