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Why Gears of War 2 Might Not Reign Supreme

Many may deny it, but there are a lot of factors standing against Gears of War 2 being the hit everyone wants it to be.
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Published: 618 days 16 hours ago | Article | Xbox 360
 
 

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sonarus - 618 days 16 hours ago
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I don't think his concerns are legitimate enough

The BIG reason i thing gears of war 2 might not reign supreme is graphics. Lets face it as much as we say graphics don't really matter, graphics play a huge part in a games sales. Look at GT5P it lacks damage and it is considered a demo but those visuals are simply too hard to turn away from. COD4's graphics also played a role in its success.

Long story short gears of war 1 had mind glowing graphics and to an extent at least in my eyes revolutionary gameplay. I doubt gears of war 2 can achieve the same mind blowing graphics and revolutionary gameplay the first had
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Breakfast - 618 days 16 hours ago
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Halo...didnt have great graphics.

It's what they do to fix the gameplay. Thats important. They gameplay in this game needs to be tweaked...not changed.
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Palodios - 618 days 15 hours ago
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@Breakfast
Yes and no. Halo isn't the best example because the game has been hyped to hell, and all the money going into advertising and all those calling Halo THE 360 game.
The Wii really exemplifies this idea though. Smash Brothers's graphics has nothing on Uncharted, but Smash will sell millions more.
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toughNAME - 618 days 15 hours ago
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I don't expect Gears 2 to have a massive jump in visuals...

All epic has to do is tweak here and there, add another typical FPS story, and redesign online multiplayer.

And I agree with the article about Tom Clancy syndrome, and I do think this will be delayed...or just plain be a bad game
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fenderputty - 618 days 15 hours ago
1.4 - I doubt gears of war 2 can achieve the same mind blowing graphics and revolutionary gameplay the first had
I don't know man. The graphics are going to be top notch. They might not surprise people like the first did but, they're still going to be good. Plus ... a lot of people bought and liked the first one, it only makes sense that they're going to want to buy two. Gears 2 is going to be successful. It might not get GOTY but it's still going to be a great game. I guess that's kind of what the author is saying though.
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sonarus - 618 days 15 hours ago
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IMO Halo is a lot more casual/pick up and play than GeOW. GeOW is a lot more targeted at hardcore with its dark plot and bland color scheme. So gameplay will be tweaked for sure but without that massive jump in visuals i don't think it will reign supreme.
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Breakfast - 618 days 15 hours ago
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Highest selling xbox game this year. I think it will reign supreme.
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LJWooly - 618 days 14 hours ago
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I think we've all seen the sorts of games that end up best-sellers on the 360 *hints towards Halo 3* so I think 360 owners will be somewhat indifferent to the actual quality of the game, and buy into the hype noetheless.

However, I'm pretty sure Gears of War 2 is going to be fantastic, and deserve those sales :D
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LJWooly - 618 days 12 hours ago
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Welcome back, 'Mr. Wall-o-text' :)
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QuackPot - 618 days 9 hours ago
1.10 - GeoW2 will do great
Everything will undoubtedly be better and the fans will buy to their hearts delight as with Halo3.

I just wish Insomniac had made Nathan Hale more Gung Ho like Marcus and provided a cover system and proper sprint option, then R2 would clean up.

But I'll enjoy both when they come.
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Silver360 - 618 days 5 hours ago
1.11 - Look at the Game informer exclusive
before making any opinions. The screen shots are sick and the what they have planned is stellar. His guesses about Gears two were uninformed.
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gaffyh - 617 days 17 hours ago
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The game will reign supreme no matter what, Gears 1 was great game, a little over-hyped but not as over hyped as Halo which ended up being an ok game.
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Fishy Fingers - 618 days 16 hours ago
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If your expecting a massive leap in visuals I think there's a chance you may be disappointed. The first one, while amazing had the shock value of being the first true "next-gen" game. This one will be scrutinized down to the last pixel.

All I'm looking for is bigger environments and a more dynamic mix of location. Better story structure, 4 player co-op would be amazing and at least 8x8 online. I'm gameplay over graphics.
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BLUR111 - 618 days 16 hours ago
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that's what im looking for to but i don't think the'll have 8 on 8 multiplayer maye 6 on 6 at most cuz the animation and the charactors are so big and detailed is why theres just 4v4 in the first one
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Spinitus - 618 days 16 hours ago
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amen
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Jenzo - 618 days 15 hours ago
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Hmmm. Epic themselves said in an interview that 4x4 multiplayer was a design choice, because they believe it provides a more immersive experience. You get to know(hate) the competitors better and the team spirit is bigger. It also makes for more strategic gameplay.

IMO some games benefit more from having a large number of players than others. Battlefield for example, wouldn't be the same with 4x4, but It was never something that bothered me in Gears. I think it would be boring if all games just competed to have as many players at one possible, instead of trying to optimize the gameplay experience.
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LJWooly - 618 days 14 hours ago
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@ Jenzo:

That was just Epic's excuse. Luckily for them, Gears of War turned out to be suited perfectly to that amount, it's still pretty fun to play online now.

Let's face it, they would have tried for more players if they could.
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rogimusprime - 618 days 12 hours ago
2.5 - Know this,
if they screw around and forget to include a decent rocket launcher, I will say the game sucks. It still makes me mad that when you pick up the boomers weapon, it looses its functionality. That's just garbage. Goldeneye had a better GL.
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supahbad - 617 days 19 hours ago
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i thought they already announced 5x5 for MP
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marichuu - 618 days 16 hours ago
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It worked for Halo, why shouldn't it for Gears of War?
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Rattles - 618 days 16 hours ago
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for god sake its just the unreal engine every thing you see in there games is avaliable to every other dev out there useing it.
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Palodios - 618 days 15 hours ago
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Mass Effect, Bioshock and Last Remnant all want a word with you.
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BigKev45 - 618 days 16 hours ago
5 - Why Gears of War 2 Might Not Reign Supreme?
Bull crap it will.
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EZCheez - 618 days 16 hours ago
5.1 - If you ask me
They should stop wasting time on UT3 and put as much manpower as they can behond GOW2.

I doubt many tears would be shed if they announced just that. However, I know it will never happen.
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dan-boy - 618 days 16 hours ago
6 - halo 1 sold xboxs
halo 2 sold more, and halo 3 sold plenty aswell. the same can be said of the gran tourismo series, gta and metal gear, all franchises which have shifted hardware, aswell as container loads of discs. with the success of the first gears, its pretty much guaranteed that the second game will not only be a hit, but will also shift a few consoles to boot.

this seems like blog to me, and does it really have a place on here?
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SPARTAAN - 618 days 15 hours ago
6.1 - i disagree
all the games you named were the first games of the franchise on the system but in this case all the fans of gears are 360 owners that is more than 5 million and if u add those who already have a 360 but did not buy gears 1 because it was old then it will be about 6-7 million so gears 2 will sell a lot of copies might even break halo 3s record but it will not sell many consoles...if gears 3 is on the next xbox then it will sell a lot of consoles but not gears 2 on the 360
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JVIDICAN - 618 days 15 hours ago
6.2 - ^^^
your right the fist game of a series will always be more sucessful on a new counsel than the second unless they go over the top with new features. thats why mgs2 sold more than mgs3 and why mgs4 will probally sell better than both of them. same aplies to ff10 selling more than any other ff on the ps2 after it, but ff13 will rank unbelievable sales.
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Palodios - 618 days 15 hours ago
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The thing is... Gears of War 2 attracts the same audience, the same kind of attention as Gears of War 1. What this guy is pointing out is that a sequel to a game that is still fresh in everyone's minds as a GREAT game needs to innovate in order to stand out, and perhaps do new things in order to grab the people still on the fance.
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dan-boy - 618 days 11 hours ago
6.4 - spaartan and jvidican
i think your both missing something.

all the first games create the fans. halo 2 sold alot of xboxs, gt2 sold playstations, gta:vice city sold ps2s after the great gta3. if going by what you two are saying, if everybody who likes the game already has the system, then no-one else buys the console for the sequels other than the already built up fan-base! when history already says that your both way off the mark!

i'll just use halo as an example here. halo helped sell xboxs, but when halo2 was released, it sold loads of hardware to people who did'nt have xboxs, so they could play it also. clearly, the sequels to popular franchises help push hardware sales! same with gta3 and vice city. gta3 sold hardware aswell as software, but no doubt, vice city helped sell a load more ps2s when that was released.
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mistertwoturbo - 618 days 16 hours ago
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The guy in the article is just hoping we don't get a "Gears 1.5" based on the developement time, extra hype, and media pressure.

I honestly think it's going to deliver either way. Even if it was Gears 1.5, just wrap up the story, improve on the graphics, tweak the gameplay, add some features here and there and Bam. It'll be more than enough for any Gears fan. Or at least for me.
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aiphanes - 618 days 16 hours ago
8 - Yep they can only do so much...if they pump up the graphics....the game length will suffer.
You can only get some many environments on a DVD9 disc....why do you think gears of war 1 was so short? But compression is way better two years later...so they will make the game bigger...since this was one of the gripes about GEARs of WAR 1...

8 vs 8 multiplayer? not gonna happen...I think they will stick with 4 VS 4...but lets hope they cn get it 8 VS 8...

Heck Warhawk has 4 way split screen!.....so they can at least do that.

I wonder what incognito is gonna do for Warhawk 2 in late 2009? 64 player on screen? Graphics 10 times better than Warhawk 1? They will be in the same boat as Epic is now....

And it does not matter if Gears of War 2 sucks or not...there really is not anything else good comming out for the Xbox 360 around its (Gears 2) release time...so it will sell like crazy no matter what....epic has nothing to really worry about..
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mistertwoturbo - 618 days 16 hours ago
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About the warhawk comment. Usually in games I would agree, the higher the numbers of player does not necessarily mean the better the gameplay.

HOWEVER, for warhawk, that game is absolutely tailored and designed for large numbers of players. I would say the more players for Warhawk, the better. 32 vs 32 warhawks would be pretty friggin amazing.
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dan-boy - 618 days 15 hours ago
8.2 - just like gta
man, they really had to tone down the 360 version just to get it on a dvd9! from what i here, it's only the size of two city blocks compared to the ps3 version!!!!

dear oh dear. with games like gta being equal in size and graphical prowess on both platforms, does it not sink in that blu-ray is more of a luxury in gaming at the moment?? if it was a problem, then gargantuan games like gta would highlight the problem that sony wants everyone to believe made blu-ray neccessary!

please think about things first, before jumping to conclusions!!
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JVIDICAN - 618 days 15 hours ago
8.3 - dan-boy
in all fairness the 360 probally did hold gta4 back but not by much
and honestly do you think theyed make the ps3 version better just because there was more space on the disk?
that would be shooting themselves in the foot when it came to the 360 versions sales
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dan-boy - 618 days 11 hours ago
8.4 - in all fairness
you don't know that, and there's no reason to say that when everything says otherwise. it obviously wasn't held back by dvd9! so why even bother trying to add some sony spin?!

the fact is, gta is gonna be one massive game in lots of departments! and it obviously fits nicely on a dvd9! perhaps the problem lies in the fact that there is yet still no conclusive proof that blu-ray is essential for gaming!!
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beavis4play - 618 days 9 hours ago
8.5 - hey dan boy
you can read can't you? cause you are waaaay off topic here. your "opinions" on blu can wait till the appropriate story comes along.
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dan-boy - 618 days 8 hours ago
8.6 - hey beavis(said in a cheery cali surf-dudes accent)
i first replied to aiphanes, who said that gears 2 would be hampered by a dvd9. i was'nt the one who brought it up! just merely pointing out obvious flaws in people of certain console persuaions arguments.
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jessupj - 617 days 21 hours ago
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You are honestly a fool if you think Blu-ray isn't needed in the future. Heck even now devs and basically milking dvd9 for every last kilobyte of data and you know it.

What did they say about 5" floopies? what did that say about 3.5" floppies? What did they say about cds? And what are they starting to say about dvd now? And what are they going to say about blu-ray in the future?

Have I made my point?
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le killer - 617 days 21 hours ago
8.8 - jessupj
you make your point well

"if you think Blu-ray isn't needed in the future"

well done for putting things into perspective. it will be needed in the future without doubt! but at the moment, as the guy above said, there still is'nt any conclusive proof that it's needed now. if there is could you link to the stories that confirm it
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hotshot127 - 618 days 16 hours ago
9 - the only reason why i think that gears may not get the same media praise as the first is simple
because it has competition this time around and fanboy or not, we all know that when other games come out and thier is something that is competing with it, reviewers often compare them.

gears of war was praised for its graphics and cover system. thier are plenty of games that have the cover system now and that have are going to have mind blowing graphics around the time it launches.

i dont wish anything bad on gears. it was a good game for the 360 and im sure the second one will be good too. but the game that I would be giving all the praise on the 360 would be ninja gaiden 2(gameplay looks phenominal) and the ps3 still doesnt have a good EXCLUSIVE hack and slash of that caliber. so im looking foward to seeing what gears can bring to the table.

but then where i kinda dispute my point is with this. if the creater of gears 1 can think of the gameplay features that he thought of with gears 1 then im sure he can think of many new gamplay features for the second.
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PS360WiiRocks - 618 days 15 hours ago
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Oh PLEASE!! "2 years may not seem like alot of dev time" yeah for the first iteration of a series. This is a SEQUEL, their is no learning hardware, creating stories, characters, it's already done for them. It's simply taking the first game and creating new environments, Epic and Microsoft wouldn't push the title if it wasn't as polished as the first, if you remember November 2005 was when Gears was supposed to come, it ended up in 2006. If it's not ready, it will go to 2009.
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OpiZA - 618 days 14 hours ago
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Good point
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devilsfanatic30 - 618 days 15 hours ago
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im not saying gow2 will be bad by any means. I am just saying that i don't think the sequel will have as much success as the first. But there is no doubt it wont be good.
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Rattles - 618 days 15 hours ago
13 - ps360rocks
dont think so, microsoft needs this game THIS year. what other big selling games do they have besides the multiplat GTAIV?
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PS360WiiRocks - 618 days 14 hours ago
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Too Human, Fable 2, Banjo Kazooie, Splinter Cell, Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake and I doubt that's all they have up their sleeves, E3 is coming.
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she00win99 - 618 days 6 hours ago
13.2 - @ PS360ROCKS
do you think those games will compete with Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo 3 alone sold 1,890,000 copies in Japan, 7,140,000 in North America, 5,840,000 in Europe, and 10,000 in Southeast Asia. i think GT5 will do the same or better..
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PS360WiiRocks - 617 days 11 hours ago
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If you missed every story about the attach rate maybe you should check it out. 360 owners buy EVERYTHING.
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she00win99 - 616 days 22 hours ago
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all i said is that all the games you mention above will be surpass by GT alone..
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