GT5: Prologue VS PGR4 London Enviroment

sonarus - 634 days 17 hours ago

Its also a bit unfair considering GT5P is not the final version. GT5p runs at 1080p and 60fps, PGR4 had to make that 30fps sacrifice to achieve those visuals. So end of story. If GT5 cut to 30fps i am scared to say our hdtv's would explode and we would have to start buying those new tv's shown at CES just to handle the visuals.

GT5 is greater than PGR4 and forza (visuals)
GT5 looks better than forza and forza can't do 1080p
GT5 and PGR4 are very close but PGR4 had to cut its frame rate as well as its resolution just to come close.

To be fair though, both Forza and PGR4 have a damage system but i believe GT5 damage modelling would at least be equal to forza damage though i am hoping it is better. Forza damage is great don't get me wrong. But the visuals in GT5 would look a bit off sporting that same damage. I want ultra realistic damage with sparks flying e.t.c. With the money there are getting from prologue plus the unlimited dev time sony is offering them i don't think we will see GT5 till it is absolutely perfect

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NO_PUDding - 634 days 11 hours ago

In GT5 they don't think you'll crash. You should be driving properly.

Heh, but seriously, all those extra models do is take up space on a disk and possibly add to the polgon count. To be honest it might reduce the poly count with damage.

But eitehr way I genuinely think that GT5 looks better but also PGR4 used midday sunlight, maybe not as clever, but then, it looks liek the lgith soucres are virtually the same in both, and HDr is just superb on GT5.

The cars look so rich, and real. I wants to go and get a sponge and wash them.

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UltramanJ - 634 days 2 hours ago

It is unfair. It's not fair to Xbox 360 to compare 3rd generation 360 games to second generation PS3 games.

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mighty_douche - 634 days 17 hours ago

lol... yeah it does seem set a little low huh! Still, everything is cleary much better in GT.

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Watkins - 634 days 16 hours ago

yeah wtf is up with that? I can't actually see anything .. Worst screens EVER! PGR4 is all bright, while you can't see GT5P at all. I don't get the point of that post, is it to compare? He failed soooo miserably. I could do it better with my camera phone if you gave me GT5P and 2 minutes!

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TheIneffableBob - 634 days 15 hours ago

It's the game's HDR. Polyphony decided to really overdo the HDR to make it more "realistic", but I find it detrimental to gameplay since, well, it's hard to see when everything is dark. I often find myself bumping into cars because of the extreme contrast when I play Gran Turismo 5: Prolgue.

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resistance100 - 634 days 15 hours ago

You serious? What track do you find these problems?

I owned the jap version from December to just last week, and never had lighting problems, not even on the london track where alot of it is in the shade.

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DarkArcani - 634 days 15 hours ago

Thats what you get when you use GI and HDR. The lighting in GT5 is insane.

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mighty_douche - 634 days 17 hours ago

"easily surpassed GT5's graphics" doubtful, and if possible theyd be able to fit about a 5th the amount of cars on the disc as GT.

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resistance100 - 634 days 17 hours ago

Well considering GT5 is still a year away, shouldn't you be saying its comparable with the Prologue not the full game?

And as for comparing the photo's yer PGR looks good, but the level or detail and lighting in the cars are far behind Gt5:P imo. However the track looks great in PGR4

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resistance100 - 634 days 17 hours ago

I think you mean GT5, GRID and Ferrari Challege for PS3 owners

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sonarus - 634 days 17 hours ago

Haha don't mind first knight he's "loyal to the game". lol by game i mean Xbox 360. Considering it is the 2nd PGR game on the 360, i seriously doubt they can "surpass". Also considering they had to make cuts because of disk space lol. Its pretty safe to say the maxed out on that one

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FirstknighT - 634 days 16 hours ago

Wow you guys get so offended pretty easily. Who's talking about the amount of cars??? We're talking about screenshots here. Not the game's physics Bloodmask. Take a chill pill Bloodmask because your losing it again. This is not about GT5 vs PRG4. It's about the London Enviroment in these screenshots. Please try to stay on topic.

The backgrounds in these screenshots look pretty much exact. Some look better on PGR4 and some look better on GT.

RELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX people!!!! :p

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etownone - 634 days 16 hours ago

up until now, i didn't realize PGR4 can be compared to what is being considered best visuals for a racing game ever, GT5, and still hold up very good next to it.

You get any gamer from the street that dont know about fps and 720/1080p and they wouldn't be finding much difference just by comparing these screenshots.

i agree with firstnight, if they did have the budget, manpower, and the YEARS to develop, i'm sure they could surpass GT5 in the visuals department.

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ruibing - 634 days 16 hours ago

Actually Polyphony Digital has about 110 employees, while Bizarre Creations has 165.

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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sonarus - 634 days 16 hours ago

No this isn't about tracks it is a full PGR4 vs GT5 visual comparison. They are simply placed under the same conditions.

GT5 looks better than PGR4 and no matter how you try to twist it and turn it GT5 is the best looking racing game this generation has seen.

@etowone NO they couldn't match even if they tried.
1. 360 had a 1 yr head start so ps3 should be a yr behind in just about every aspect of game development but polyphony(as well as most ps3 developers beat the odds).
2. That is their 2nd 360 game. They had a second chance 2 yrs later to tackle everything they wanted to do. So it is safe to say they gave it their best effort(we prob will never know since they won't be making the game anymore).
3. They ran into limitations with disk space already due to the high poly's and wat not.

GT5 achieves better visuals, more cars on screen, higher resolution, higher frame rate so like i said no matter how you try to twist it, GT5 is the best looking racing game this generation has seen.

You PS3 haters are just silly. I have heard so many excuses for GT5.
1st it was oh GT5 can never look as good as GTHD because there is only one car on the track. Then there was the silly forza vs GT5 comparison some idiot did under terrible conditions to make it seem like forza and GT5 looked the same.

I mean just let this one go. Just let us ps3 owners have this one in peace. Stop behaving like kids and give credit where it is due. This isn't some miracle of sony this is the result of intense dedication by the fine individuals currently working at polyphony digital. You can hate ps3 all you want but at least let the developers have their credit

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Bubble Buddy - 634 days 16 hours ago

"Take a chill pill Bloodmask" : Who needs the comedy channel, this is just as good lmfao, and yes, GT5P for the win.

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JasonXE - 634 days 15 hours ago

they both look great.

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IntelligentAj - 634 days 15 hours ago

You guys do realize that still shots do neither game justice right? I don't understand why people are so content to compare still shots as irrefutable evidence of their point.

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Glad to be a gamer - 634 days 15 hours ago

@first knight I have pgr4 and its a beautiful game but anyone with eyes can see that Gt5 looks almost real. Graphically Gt5 is a bar above but that is not the only thing that counts toward making a great game.

There is also the fact that Pgr4 sacrificed some graphical flair to include weather which no other console game has.It also has a damge model to some degree. There is also the custom paint jobs you can apply.

I suppose it comes down to what you want from a game. Im hoping Gt5 delivers on all aspects that make a great game but as of now the online racing is bare bones and slow to load cp to other franchises, there is no damage ,no weather affects and the racing model although hopefully better than previous versions has alot to live up to with forza 2's physic model.

I haven't played prologue yet but from the replays ive seen so far the racing seems a bit boring and lacks a sense of speed. Which for me was the problem with previous GT's(owned them all) that unless u kit up the non racing cars they feel to slow.

Also as far as the no of cars whats the point in putting in loads of cars but 1/2 of them are crap and 1/3 are slighlty diff models of the same car.

Can Anyone that owns the game actually fill me in on what its like to drive in gt5p cp to forza 2?

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sonarus - 634 days 15 hours ago

good point glad. There is the weather systems sacrifice as well. I hope GT5 includes weather as well as damage too as it can variate the gameplay.

As for GT5P having same cars but slightly different models, it still has more cars with the original models plus there are the wierd cars like the nike car then there is the new f1 car. So GT5 has pretty much every game beat in the car variety dept.

As for GT5, i don't feel it lacks a sense of speed though. Maybe its something you have to play. I would say the sense of speed is about equal with forza. I will play forza again today to confirm

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Martini - 634 days 14 hours ago

In the same time (or less actually) it takes to make GT 5 prologue , bizzare made 2 games (PGR 3 and PGR 4) the environments look more or less the same, cars look better on the GT 5 p no doubt thanks to the extra resolution. ps3 fans better be glad somebody has the nerves and money to spend a half a decade to make 1 friggin game.

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Zool 08 - 634 days 8 hours ago

The 360 is begiinig to show it's limitations (97% to be precise) so even if they had more time (they were 2 years ahead) then there would have been a slight improvement rather than a graphic overhaul.

The PS3 on the otherhand is just getting warmed up.

And it show's with this comparison.

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Richdad - 634 days 5 hours ago

Disc issue a are only for open world game PGR4 and GT5 both are level based games so you dont have to worry abt disc swapping and also the tecnology MS has on data compresssion on DV9 is great its showing I mean Oblivion and Gta 4 took more than 30 GB on PS3 whereas they fit on DVD 9 for 360 without any issues.
But the main problem is would Bizzare doing PGR5, also Bizzare spoiled PGR4 lightining if you have seen the earlier screens which looked ultarealistic due to shadows but Bizzzre for unknown reason ( may be the split up issue spoilt shadows and light tracing ( it was less than PGR3) although the game still looks great but it would have been much better if the matter is settled down they can get it better on 720p and 30Fps, I mean graphics matter to me if you can get better visual fidelity by not going for superfical performance it doesnt matters.

Yeah so there could be a posssiblity of PGr5 being better since PGR4 was spoilt to some extent by devs, but if PGR5 does things right they could do much much better than PGR4.

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Glad to be a gamer - 634 days 4 hours ago

Yeah very good point. Resistance takes up 22 gb of a 25gb blueray. Crysis/gears on the other hand fitted onto dvd .

This is because Sony use an old MPEG 4 vidoe codec to compress the video and sound infact it is half as effective as those used for pc and 360 games.

They use this older codec because of the slow read times for br meaning the data on the disc cannot be fully compressed otherwise it would delay the read times even more. They also repeat textures on the br games to speed up the read times futher

This combined with the memory restrictions for both consoles(at the mo ps3 is more hampered due to the os) means i doubt we will see either eclipse the other except for exc like gt5 where the dev have more money and time than most dev to produce a superior product.

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zaything - 634 days 2 hours ago

Better Compression means smaller size on disk means reads faster to pull off of a dvd or bluray, and the cell is very hand at decompression. Compression would not slow down getting data off the disk.

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resistance100 - 634 days 16 hours ago

well it says something when a introduction to a game on a console with a smaller install base doubles worldwide sales for a game on a console with a larger install base, in day 1 in one region alone

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FirstknighT - 634 days 16 hours ago

What does that have to do with this topic? We're talking about screenshots. And in this case, the London Environment. And they look pretty much identical.

Wow you guys get so hurt so easily. Somebody needs a break from the gaming world.

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sonarus - 634 days 16 hours ago

LOL. 590,000? On the mighty 360 with the magical attach rates. I am honestly shocked no sarcasm here whatsoever. I wonder why it sold so low? I played it and it really wasn't that bad. In fact i thought it was pretty good. Maybe because they released 3 and 4 so close together? Or maybe because most 360 racing fans were busy with forza. Forza as well didn't sell so hight till it got bundled with the 360. Maybe 360 fans aren't into racers that much

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Martini - 634 days 14 hours ago

There was a plenty of racing titles available on the 360 at that time plus stiff competition from other games like Halo 3 and COD 4. Plus the game is very arcady unlike Forza 2.

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Richdad - 634 days 5 hours ago

Yeah you may be right 360 audience are definetly not much into simulaiton style racing they hate Forza for that but PGr low sales was other matter believe me when I telel you some lightining feature where less than PGr3 and audience noticed that so they didnt purchased it. It still looked great and very photrealistic. But most of us where expecting more didnt you saw the ads PGR has given us the game looked like CGI's in it. But it was not that good in actual play although still excellent but not superb. I am definite that Bizzare did pull off some feautres of PGR 4 when they left PGR franchise. This is why it sold so badly heck it was one of the worst selling game on 360.

Although Forza 2 has sold 3.5 million+ copy till date. Also many people are taking Forza as bad due to its realistic simulation, really its not that hard I mean simulation part is not done too realistic to piss off users but then also some are not delighted but who are contented love it. I have played GT4 and GT3 their controls where really tougher than it I just cant think what would have happen if Forza had done very hard handling like GT.

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etownone - 634 days 16 hours ago

it sure didn't make PGR4 look like crap....

maybe now i'll give it a rent, plus I want to see what was all the fuss about the realistic weather effects

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tudors - 634 days 16 hours ago

Sonaris: You said

"LOL. 590,000? On the mighty 360 with the magical attach rates. I am honestly shocked no sarcasm here whatsoever. I wonder why it sold so low? I played it and it really wasn't that bad. In fact i thought it was pretty good. Maybe because they released 3 and 4 so close together? Or maybe because most 360 racing fans were busy with forza. Forza as well didn't sell so hight till it got bundled with the 360. Maybe 360 fans aren't into racers that much"

Check the net and you will see that the reason the sales are bad is due to the fact that people are not happy with the online setup, PG3 was much better.

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masterg - 634 days 16 hours ago

I'm an arcade style racer, but in this case I would go for the one which gets closest to realism.

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Glad to be a gamer - 634 days 15 hours ago

PGR 4 is alot of fun but so is Gt4 and forza 2 i suppose it depends what you want from a racer.

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masterg - 634 days 16 hours ago

3 more days till it hits the European Online Store..
You still have time to get a PS3 :)

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etownone - 634 days 16 hours ago

your wrong.

For past three years awards by most websites/magazines have been given to 360 exclusive games.... never a ps3 exclusive

game of the year/ best graphics 2005 - Call of Duty 2
game of the year/ best graphics 2006 - Gears of War
game of the year/ best graphics 2007 - Call of Duty and Bioshock

ALL Exclusive to the 360 (with exception of COD4 multi)

so please stop with the BS that the 360 can't do GT5 graphics, its the ps3 that needs to prove itself.

And to BLademask if you read this, dont bother bringing up Uncharted, it won no awards with the exception of some high praise for graphics on IGN, but realize that they also rated Call of Duty 4 as having better graphics.

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Shadow Man - 634 days 16 hours ago

Well I hope some day I can see GT5 graphics on the 360.
Hey don't forget:
game of the year/ best graphics 2008 - Gears Of War 2
game of the year/ best graphics 2009 - Bioshock 2
game of the year/ best graphics 2010 - Final Fantasy XIII

(PLAY B3YOND)

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doodle - 634 days 17 hours ago

You are using both accounts at the same time.

LOL stupid MART claims he lives in Netherlands when there is 0 XBOT in EUROPE except a few in UK. POG claims he lives in Mexico

However nothing saves that GARBAGE BOX 3 FIX ME which dies on march 28th in europe

It is already a dead console

This is trying to say that GT murders PGR4/CARTOON FORZA in terms of graphics

OTHERS

MART and POG are the same PERSON

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

MART aka POG was caught here. He is a 35 year OLD gamer and lives in USA

http://resistance100.wordpr...

http://resistance100.wordpr...

can someone please complain to the MODS about this

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DarkSniper - 634 days 17 hours ago

Dark Sniper has done so. Doodle, Dark Sniper appreciates your contributions on ensuring that the Microslaves on here are constantly kept in check. The proof is shown and power of Green and TheMART at XBOXkings are the same person. Which further explains their ability to manipulate the bubble system.

As easy as it was for TheMART to check the IP address in relation to that pic, he could change his own as well. Which ensures that he keeps his and power of Green's bubble count up.

Dark Sniper has explained a portion of this conspiracy theory. Thank you Doodle once again for informing the truth on PLAYSTATION® 3 and Red Light 360.

$niper

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gambare - 634 days 16 hours ago

You are taking your fanboyism to another lever, seriously, it's the same TV, the same pic quality and even with that it looks a lot better GT5. Seriously POG/MART chill out

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sonarus - 634 days 16 hours ago

Let me give you some advice man. Change your account and just kill the POG and mart characters. Come up with a new name and continue your ps3 hating and hopefully no one will notice and do remember to be more careful next time. Bashing the ps3 under two different names you have to cover your bases.

Anyways GT5 surfers under the same conditions as PGR4 like it or not. GT5 runs at 1080p and 60fps PGR4 runs at 720p and 30fps. So even if they looked about the same, GT5 still wins.

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ruibing - 634 days 16 hours ago

None of them were replays. And as for lightning, I'm surprised you can even see these kinds of things with those screen shots. We need better screenshots to see the superiority of GT5 Prologue.

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Alcaponeyou - 634 days 16 hours ago

"really sony droids have no life at all"
lOLOLOLOL

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FirstknighT - 634 days 16 hours ago

Doodle and Darksniper should be the mascots for the sony fanboys. Seriously Nerdy!!!!

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Homicide - 634 days 16 hours ago

First you whine, then you abuse the bubble system.

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power of Green - 634 days 16 hours ago

I don't know what you people can possibly be talking about I think the quality of these grabs are killing the detail of PGR4 somehow.

Nothing you can do to change it. PGR4 has environments that jump at you, in these pics they're all flat and lack the true detail PGR4 has(its widely known no other game has the same quality untill reviewers started previewing Grid).

PGR4 looks like this through and through on my HDTV. http://www.bizarrecreations...

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power of Green - 634 days 15 hours ago

This is my actual gameplay all I did is pause the game ans rotate the camera.

http://s293.photobucket.com...

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gambare - 634 days 14 hours ago

now out the pics of GT5 side by side with those pics of PGR4 with the SAME quality.

btw now that you put a more clear image of PGR4 it looks even worse besides the pics of GT5p, now I can notice the lesser details of the buildings of PGR4

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sonarus - 634 days 13 hours ago

I'm sorry POG but that doesn't look that great. Thought it was burnout for a sec

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spandexxking - 634 days 4 hours ago

theres got to be somthing wrong with you if you thimk PGR4 looks beter than GT

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Homicide - 634 days 16 hours ago

Wow, you lost your bubbles already. Time to make a new account schmee/TANOD/RIPHDDVD/nasim/za mbrota/Larry007 :P

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ruibing - 634 days 16 hours ago

If it was a better in-game screenshot, you could probably see the difference between 1080p and 720p better.

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doodle - 634 days 16 hours ago

GT5P looks way more realistic

It runs at 1080P at 60 FPS on PS3 (NATIVE)

Forza 2/PGR4 runs at 30 fps at 720p

GT5P has over 1.5 million in preorders in europe alone . GAYLO3 had 1/3 of that many preorders in europe.

GT5P is sold out at 90% of EU retailers

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doodle - 634 days 16 hours ago

On the other hand GAYLO3 ran at 640P

GT5 could be challenged by X720 GAMES so thats years away

Nothing on x360 runs at 1080P NATIVE and no game on x360 would ever look as realistic as GT5P in x360's entire lifespan

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Xbox is the BEST - 634 days 16 hours ago

You really think that the 360 won't be able to match anything on the PS#3? The Duty runs at 600P and looks great.

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deep - 634 days 15 hours ago

Doodle. Get your facts right before you start trying to be all preachy. There are 1080p native Xbox 360 games. In fact there are two native 1080p Xbox 360 games that have 4xAA.

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Gam71 - 634 days ago

Hey DooDoobrains, someone else telling you to get your facts right.

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deep - 634 days 15 hours ago

Played Grid...isn't all that chap.

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power of Green - 634 days 15 hours ago

Some would say that about GT5... I'll wait, plenty of gaming's Professionals are a little more enthusiastic about it.... I'll wait to hear from a non biased fanatic. Come on son like I shouldn't give it chance just because a loyal PS3 fan tells me a rehashed Gt4 thats upgraded (called GT5-P)offers more?. Good day chap.

GT5 has last gen gamplay i don't care what you claim if it has thrill even close to dirt it will blow GT5 out of the water.

Sick or hearing about GT it sucked when I tried it on PS2 i doubt its going to not suck this time around(Japs don't count they're loyal).

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deep - 634 days 15 hours ago

Sorry what POG?

Firstly, GRID is multiplatform.

Secondly, I played it and it doesnt look like the screenshots. Of course I was playing a 60% Xbox 360 build - but it looked about the same as Burnout Paradise. Moreover, proffessionals? Really? GriD plays like an arcade racer. It isn't/won't be a sim. It's floaty and drifty.

Nor did I say you shouldnt buy, play it, or "give it a try". You said PGR4's environments look like Grids. I said Grid isn't all that - meaning that Grid doesn't look as good as PGR4. Cheers for being a rude little sh*t.

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