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Missing Marine Found Dead… COD4 May Have Triggered Combat Flashback

A badly-wounded Iraq War veteran, missing since February, has been found dead inside a culvert in Charlotte County, Florida, according to Indiana's News and Tribune.

24-year-old Eric Hall, still suffering from grievous combat wounds as well as post-traumatic stress disorder had previously caused a traffic accident in his native Indiana after hallucinating an Iraqi roadblock and may have experienced a flashback of some sort.

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YoMeViet - 642 days 20 hours ago

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I blame the Military Health Care System, I mean just look at all the stories about the Walter Reed Medical Center. Our Soldiers deserve the best of care for what they went through. And this would not had happened if he had received the best of care and attention he needed. Videogames had nothing to do with it, it's just a very easy scapegoat for the time being.

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toughNAME - 642 days 17 hours ago

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Why not criticize both serparately?

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DRUDOG - 642 days 15 hours ago

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While it is easy to condemn the military medical community, it actually starts further up the chain than that. I'm not going into the politics of this. I only hope his family can hope to live with what has happened to their boy. This hits close to home for me and I really hope that none of my fellow N4G gamers (including those of you who get on my last nerve!) never have to go through something like this. Remember our vets!

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Highwayman - 642 days 9 hours ago

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You also have to understand that, while the health care system isn't at it's best. Sometimes folks just don't get better, sometimes war is to much for them. They can never fully adjust to civilian life again. You may put all the blame on the Health care, but know that the Human mind can be a terrible thing. Since I'm A Military Historian, many folks ask me what weapon do I see as the greatest and most devastating. I always answer the Human mind.

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killax3563 - 642 days 6 hours ago

1.4 - No fingerpointing...

This situation is just sad, especially for his family. But Uncle Sam probably should have taken better care of its wounded veterens.

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sak500 - 642 days 19 hours ago

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I remember reading about this guy a while back. That he disappered after playing COD4. So they found him now?

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Catastrophe - 642 days 19 hours ago

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yeah, they found him. :(

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c-redz - 642 days 17 hours ago

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people i mean come on... the video game didnt do anything!!!! our goverment did!!!! i hate when people try to pass the blame

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Catastrophe - 642 days 17 hours ago

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c-redz: I wasn't sad about COD4 being "part" of this, I was sad b/c the guy has PTSD and was found DEAD.

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VigorousApathy - 642 days 19 hours ago

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I was playing Pokemon Red when I had a flashback to the time I used to capture my cat under a plastic bin and then train him to fight other cats in easily narratable, but deadly combat.

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sak500 - 642 days 19 hours ago

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I'll give PETA your address.

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CaliGamer - 642 days 18 hours ago

3.2 - Wow...

You're an ass making light of such a situation. So uncalled-for.

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REPLOID24 - 642 days 17 hours ago

3.3 - you should be banned

for those comments alone. you are probably just a kid judging by the way you act before you think.

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VigorousApathy - 642 days 16 hours ago

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Calm down. People die all the time. If you want to do something about it then vote for people who support military healthcare instead of posting about how righteous your indignation is in internet forums.

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DRUDOG - 642 days 15 hours ago

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I would bet anything that you'd be singing a whole different tune if this guy was your son, brother or friend. If you've nothing constructive to say here than why post at all?

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VigorousApathy - 642 days 9 hours ago

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You make a good point. People who are important to me are more important to me. I'm stunned by your constructive reasoning. I'll never make another joke about anything that someone has died from. That only leaves fairy dust and most of the things in outer space, but I'll make due.

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Amnesiac - 641 days 18 hours ago

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LOL pwned

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LastDance - 642 days 18 hours ago

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man thats horrible! poor guy.

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Vip3r - 642 days 18 hours ago

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Poor guy. Soldiers need more help to treat PTSD when they've come back from Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Shmammy - 642 days 17 hours ago

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WoW!!!!! Thats really sad! I gues that people dont realize hw tramatized soldiers truly get from being back in Iraq and stuff. My best friend has been back there twice and she still hasnt said a word to me about it! They should take more time into making sure that they are ok after they come back!

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smokeymicpot - 642 days 17 hours ago

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That sucks. I feel bad for his family that really sucks

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RecSpec - 642 days 17 hours ago

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The worst of this is going to come when someone tries to use this in their anti-video game agenda. I hope that this doesn't happen, but I wouldn't put it past some the people out there. Especially since it takes the blame off the government.

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Nevers - 642 days 12 hours ago

8.1 - nope

the worst of this we'll never ever know.

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BeaArthur - 642 days 17 hours ago

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I mean I feel really bad for what has happened to him but what does this have to do with Call of Duty 4? He was playing the game before he left his house so that means it was the games fault?

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RecSpec - 642 days 17 hours ago

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The game was probably the cause. Many things can trigger something in returning vets. I remember hearing my friend talking about his grandfather losing it after hearing popcorn popping.

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BeaArthur - 642 days 17 hours ago

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Yeah, no I understand that but the way it is written makes it sound like they are going to try and turn this into an anti video game campaign. That is what I was getting at.

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Drekken - 642 days 17 hours ago

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BLAME THE POPCORN!

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smokeymicpot - 642 days 17 hours ago

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He gotten a flash back cause of the game the game caused it.

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niall77 - 642 days 17 hours ago

11 - It really should be on the box

"DANGER so F'n real that it may triger war flashbacks"

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c-redz - 642 days 17 hours ago

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the sad thing is... if enough people blame games for everything, it wouldn't be to far fetched of an idea

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Danja - 642 days 17 hours ago

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Thats just silly....what are you and Jack Thompson friends..?..lol..j/k..

but what are the odds of someone playing a Video Game..and having war flashbacks....

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RecSpec - 642 days 17 hours ago

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They would have to put that on almost everything. Plastic guns, popcorn, fireworks, it would be insane. Hell, I bet a hailstorm could probably trigger a flashback. If his family knew he was messed up that bad, he did cause a traffic accident due to a flashback earlier, why the hell would they let him play that!

@11.2 COD4 has a very engrossing story mode, and many of the people you fight alongside die. It would not be too difficult for it to cause a flashback, especially since the settings are similar.

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BeaArthur - 642 days 17 hours ago

11.4 - c-redz

Now I'm not talking about this case specifically, this very easily could have triggered a flash back but people who blame video games are looking for a scape goat. Usually they are crappy parents or politicians who are looking to get re-elected. They want to place the blame on the game industry instead of placing some accountability on the individuals who commit the crimes.

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c-redz - 642 days 17 hours ago

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hahaha the dude is 24 like your mom or dad is going to make you not play a video game... now that would be crazy

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RecSpec - 642 days 17 hours ago

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"Hall, who had previously caused a traffic accident in his native Indiana after hallucinating an Iraqi roadblock"

If that isn't a warning sign to you, something is seriously wrong. People don't understand how serious situations like that could be.

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Danja - 642 days 17 hours ago

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Then he should have been put in a "Psychiatric Center" after his traffic accident hallucination

Video Games seems to get blamed to easily these days by the general press....

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RecSpec - 642 days 16 hours ago

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Exactly, the video game was the trigger that set him off again, but it was the fault of everyone around him for not getting the help he needed.

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Cane - 642 days 17 hours ago

12 - This is very sad...

It's extremely difficult to tell how war will affect people, even "battle hardened" soldiers. My nephew is currently on his second tour in Iraq. He has discussed some of the terrible things he's experienced; including watching his friend and squad leader get killed, and getting shot through his backpack. Despite that, he's now a squad leader, and was actually excited to go back when the time came. The story of this Marine is truly awful. I feel terrible for his family and friends, and I have the utmost respect for our military personnel. That being said, I don't think it's necessarily right to try and spin this as being a negativity ad towards video games. It's unfortunate.

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The Fungus - 642 days 17 hours ago

13 - I hate to say it.

I think video games might be responsible for this one. Not on their own, of course, but they could've caused the flashback.

Everybody is different. Some people, no matter what therapy they get, can't get past killing so many other human beings. My grandpa wakes up whimpering at night and twitches all over the place, and he STILL gets therapy. Hes even got medicine for it.

On that level in COD4 when you had to fly in the plane and bomb the people down below, I actually felt sick. The black and white made it look just like footage you see. I had to have my brother get me past that level.

Everybody is different, and I think in this case it was the war AND video games that caused this. You can't expect video games to have NO negative impact on anyones lives in this way. It's unrealistic.

Video games are good fun, but everything has the occasional downside. To say video games couldn't have caused this is ignorance.

People die playing sports like football(NFL), but that doesn't make football a bad thing. I think it would be nice if gamers stopped defending games to such an extreme, and instead accepted that some bad things can come from them. Our main arguement for pro-video games should be that everything has a downside sooner or later, and video games seem to have less of a downside than most things.

P.S. I'm not saying that everything they accuse video games of causing is REALLY caused by them. I'm just saying that, some of the time, it might be the case.

In the end, it's all down to the person. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Video games don't kill people either. Sometimes things just serve as aids towards atrocities. We, as intelligent people, should realize and accept this.

P.P.S - This really sucks. I hate it when things like this happen. Condolences to everybody he knew personally. Ughhhhh stories like this put me in such a bad mood.

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c-redz - 642 days 16 hours ago

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you say video games cuased him to freak out. sorry to inform you, video games dont mess people up. war/life messes people up. it might have cuased it but you cant blame the game... get down to the real underlining issues of why the kid wigged out...

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Cane - 642 days 16 hours ago

13.2 - You raise some good points...

and I agree that COD4 may have had a direct impact on what happened in this situation. But, like you said, bad things do happen. They happen everywhere in life. But, using the example you brought up about football, when someone gets paralyzed or killed playing football, you don't hear the same demand to rate, ban, or censor the sport like you do with video games. This case seems to be slightly different in that it mentions, not blames, the fact that he was playing a video game when his apparent flashback was triggered. Either way, it's understandable how it happened, and unfortunate that it did happen. The guy was in a war and saw terrible things. COD4 is a very realistic and intense game. But, did it "cause" this to happen? No, the war did. Was it a catalyst to the situation? Sure.

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The Fungus - 642 days 16 hours ago

13.3 - I know

Video games didn't CAUSE this, they AIDED it. I'm not trying to put down video games, I'm just saying that they triggered the flashback, and he probably shouldn't have played a war video game so soon after coming back from war and seeing his BEST FRIEND DECAPITATED.

I know mulitple things come into play here, and that video games didn't mess him up. I know that blame can't be placed on any one thing. I also know that without COD4 and a controller in this guys hand he might still be alive. It makes me so mad to see something like this happen and then notice how other people find it more important to say MY FAVORITE VIDEO GAME DIDN'T DO THAT!!! when in reality all the article says is that the video game triggered a flashback. <-PERFECTLY REASONABLE!
Edit: Cain, above^ isn't targeted at you at all. I totally agree with what you say, and realize that this article isn't 'blaming' video games. I'm probably getting a bit too worked up, but I get moody sometimes with these kind of stories.

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Cane - 642 days 16 hours ago

13.4 - Understandable, The Fungus...

these are touchy subjects that are difficult not to get worked up about. It's good to have intelligent dialogue about them, so I appreciate your input.

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skynidas - 642 days 16 hours ago

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Dont blame the videogames!

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SMK056 - 642 days 16 hours ago

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he dissorved it to whate he did when invoalved to kill Iraq ppl of oil

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Danja - 642 days 15 hours ago

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dude I think ur straying too far from whats beign discussed...

next thing thats ur opinion..this young man didn't leave America went to Iraq and came back a Billionaire ..he went to do his job...which is to serve and protect his country..

you need a life.

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kosha - 641 days 21 hours ago

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have you forgot what the iraq leaders used to do to there own people before the british and americans stopped them and i seriously doubt the whole war was based on oil.

back on topic i dont think that cod4 may have contributed to his death even though it can seem pretty real for a videogame

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SMK056 - 641 days 17 hours ago

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I sorry four my mistack

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Ovidius - 642 days 15 hours ago

16 - Wow

I wouldn't be surprised if COD4 made a soldier lose it, just the other day my cousin came over for a visit and I was playing COD4 on the first desert map in campaign. He said it reminded him of when he was in Iraq, except he said the fear is 10000x worse and it's more tragic than COD4 even tried to make it. After that he wouldn't look at the TV screen while I was playing COD4, of course I turned the game off so he wouldn't be uncomfortable.

Could COD4 trigger a flashback? Yes. Could it make the marine leave his house and disappear? If he wanted to get away from the thought and remembrance, then yes. However, the way this article is written is saying COD4 is the whole reason for him hallucinating an Iraqi roadblock, which is clearly not the case.

Poor guy, I feel sorry for him and his family. I hope everything gets better soon.

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Groo - 642 days 12 hours ago

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Read My post below, My brother is a Army Infantry Vet, and I say Infantry cause not everyone in the Army over there is or was fighting, he was in Bagdad for a year, even during the elections and hes been through a lot. Hes playing COD4 almost every other night....

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ps3 is my champion - 642 days 16 hours ago

1 - there is no agenda...

That dufous magee (RIP) should not have been playing COD4 or at least should of had the decency to chose not to play it if he is suffering from PTSS. I mean give me a freaking break, the fact there spinning it like this is utter REFUSE. GARBAGE, and I don't even like COD4. STrange (sad) story though.

and contributor: your not really helping with the title, damn.

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ps3 is my champion - 642 days 16 hours ago

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ps people in the gamer zone saying that its cod4 fault, the guy chose to play the game, its his fault not the gd game, OBVIOUSLY

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Hentai - 642 days 14 hours ago

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It's cod4 fault, it was the trigger that needed to end his life. Btw, you a lose bubble. :D

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ps3 is my champion - 642 days 13 hours ago

1.3 - @ Hentai

thats the most rediculous thing I've ever heard, it was his dumb ass fault for playing the game. Hmm I just got back from Iraq and have PTSS, i think Ill play Call of duty 4: MODERN WARFARE. Yeah that screams brilliant. You lose a bubble 2, a**hat.

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Gaara_724 - 642 days 16 hours ago

2 - nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

who was the dumb news guy who said all this man jack thompson will try and get cod4 banned now awwwwwwwww

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GETPWNZORED - 642 days 16 hours ago

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This is what war does to people. Killing innocent men, women, and children is not what we humans were designed to do. Only the most brutally F*CKED-UP military slave robot can do such acts with no remorse. It appears this individual was normal, like the rest of us, and was not run-down hard enough to complete such acts for his new world order elite zionist masters and their fake religious wars. But he knew what he signed-up for. I don't pitty a single soldier. If they die they get what's coming. Fake wars for religion and oil should not be fought.

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Aleusia - 642 days 15 hours ago

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1/10, nice try at showing us that you actually care about something other than the 360s sales.

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power of Green - 642 days 16 hours ago

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Too bad

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t-0_ot- - 642 days 13 hours ago

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What the hell are you talking about? A war is a war. Being in Vietnam was a War.. Being in Iraq is a war.

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GETPWNZORED - 642 days 13 hours ago

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LMAO PANZER! BUBBLES!!!

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robbo918 - 642 days 8 hours ago

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Just when I thought you couldn't go any lower as a human being you sink further. Any war can cause these kinds of triggers. Nice of you to belittle their lives by acting like its a lesser cause. I for one am against this war, but I support the men and women who defend me and didn't choose this war.

@the banana perv, when these people sign up to defend their country they don't get to pick and choose the battles they fight. I have my own personal issues against most wars, but I can't and won't fault the people dying for my freedoms.

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robbo918 - 641 days 20 hours ago

5.5 - Grow up

If you had half a brain you would know that war is war. The scope and scale of it might change, but the psychological effects remain similar. No war is child's play either. Your lame response speaks volumes of your intelligence levels, creative use of curse words and asterisks there, wow how clever. Grow up.

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t-0_ot- - 642 days 13 hours ago

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It's pathetic you guys are more upset about a game with the chance of being banned than a Soldiers Life.. Your pathetic.

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Aleusia - 642 days 12 hours ago

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Gung ho GI type males are a real problem, it's not my war, I don't consider myself an American, and I don't really give a damn what happens to them over there. They weren't drafted so why cry about somebody you don't know?..especially when that somebody has a good chance of being an asshole on or near the same level of GETPWNZORED.

Those American soldiers throwing puppies off the cliff, what the f**k does that tell you about their state of mind and morality?

F**k them.

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robbo918 - 642 days 8 hours ago

6.2 - Aleusia

Saying you don't consider yourself to be an American implies that you live in America. If you don't care about the soldiers who don't get to pick and choose the wars they fight, then pack your bags. I am against this war but for you to generalize all soldiers as gung ho types who throw puppies off cliffs is simply stupid. Yes there are some but there are those who simply signed up to defend their country and got thrown into a stupid war.

If you could care less about soldiers dying for you I think you should move far away, why stick around in America? The sad part is they are dying so people like you can make statements like you did.

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Aleusia - 642 days 11 hours ago

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Pretty soon he'll be hidden from everbody again, and he'll come back and try to make waves like the idiot that he is.

I'm damned shocked that TheMart hasn't had his BS hidden.
PoG should be next after that.

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jinn - 642 days 8 hours ago

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sue infinity ward

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t-0_ot- - 642 days 8 hours ago

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Aleusia - Sounds like your Bs should be hidden.. Where you from then?
"Those American soldiers throwing puppies off the cliff, what the f**k does that tell you about their state of mind and morality?" Uhm, where'd you hear that at? I haven't heard anything about it. You do know their is such a thing called propaganda right? Do you know what propaganda is?
But, I'm not saying what you say isn't true.

GETPWNZORED - I actually disagree with you about the Pity part. Why not pity the soldiers? My dad was in the military but didn't sign up to go fight, unlike the marines. But, they still wouldn't be in war unless the government makes them goto war.

But, nonetheless, I have more RESPECT for EVERY soldier more than ANYONE on this site, unless they do something similar to a soldier. Half of the people on this site are more worried about their "precious" consoles and games instead of the soldiers lives or what they do.

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Wildarmsjecht - 642 days 4 hours ago

11 - Hold on...

They're not blaming video games for this as if it were another school shooting, they're just saying its POSSIBLE that COD triggered a negative effect on a soldier who came back from war and suffered from PTSD. PTSD doesn't just happen to people who go to war, it happens to ANYONE who goes through a devastating or very intense situation. If you get shot point blank from a crazy mugger, if you survive, you can very well suffer from PTSD. It's just coming into the news more often that soldiers returning are suffering more and more from it.

I don't agree with the war. I don't think the Government did enough prior to 9/11 and during the time frame. But guess why America was attacked? Our views, the way we handle our country in terms of Democracy and freedom, and the such. So that particular freedom and way of living is wrong to some zealots. That same freedom that you guys are exhibiting right now with your post (albeit some of them are just heartless), soldiers like this guy is defending. You can not agree with the war, you can even not agree with America. But every country, organization, group w.e has people that defend their views.

There were some soldiers who did some horrible things, but if you think EVERY single one is like that, then you're obviously still stuck in your system bashing ways where you'll either say "Every 360 RROD" or "EVERY PS3 OWNER ONLY BOUGHT IT FOR BLU-RAY" See that? Thats a generalization.

My point being, no matter what, it's not ok to celebrate or belittle someone's death. Try and understand the condition he suffered from, why he suffered from it, how it can occur and the myriad of things that can trigger it. When you do that, then post your views in a respectful manner, cuz I'd love to discuss it with you. Just aittle insight btw..someone who suffers from PTSD has a child..That child's rattle is really loud and something reminds him of a terrible incident. No way to be a good parent there eh?
It's nothing to take lightly. Seriously guys, for just this one time, grow up.
/end rant

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knucklebusster - 641 days 22 hours ago

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Damn I feel sorry for him and his family.

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