Microsoft Xbox 360 sales plunge 60% as problems mount

Microsoft's growing troubles with the Xbox 360 video game console appear to be catching up to the company. Sales of the gaming machine plunged 60% in the fiscal fourth quarter, Microsoft disclosed yesterday.
In its earnings statement for the quarter, Microsoft said it shipped 700,000 Xbox 360 units during the period, compared to 1.8 million in the fiscal fourth quarter of 2006 -- a fall off of 61%.

[Syko]

Clearly it's time for a price drop. Let's see how it goes August 1st. I want an elite with a 65-nm chipset for $399. Then I can give my timebomb to my little brother for $150-$200, LOL

[NTSC-J]

There is no doubt the Red Rings of Death have put a negative light on the 360. On top of the price drop if and when it happens, MS needs to announce the arrival of the 65nm chipset. Instead of just phasing it in. I personally love the system, but the hardware is prone to failure at a high rate. Really it is more about publicly saying they have fixed the problem more so than the 3 year warranty and such. But I agree a price drop would help to a degree.

[marinelife9]

Just go to 65nm and I will buy one as will probably a lot of other PS3 owners. I don't care about the price I just don't want the hassle of dealing with MS's customer service returns department in three months.

[jromao]

Isn't a price drop that fixes the hardware problem, who wants to buy bad and buggy hardware ??

The Elite model isn't much diferent, that new model didn't prooved nothing yet, mainboard keeps the same with diferent ports.

Buy a PS3 and "kill" the bug.

[Rockstar]

To the 65nm and please try to get rid of that horrific power brick too.

Good as sold if that happens.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Ahhh XBOTERS,and to think you were on top of the world just months ago when the PS3 was first released,talking major shizit!!!Let me see,where should I start,hmmm.Your top dog just took off(laughter),an insider dumps a boatload of stocks(more laughter),more than a 3rd of your systems are burning out(even more laughter),9 billion in losses so far(still laughing),the 360 is barely outselling xbox 1(laughing still),Japan says hell no!!!(lol),Xbox Elite?(hilarious).I better stop now,my belly is starting to ache from so much laughing.Sure you got nice games but can you play them?(LMAO)As soon as Sony starts flexing thier muscles(VERY SOON),defectbox360 will be dropped to 3rd string.PS3 IS A BEAST!!!!!!!

[Itachi]

yes it will change microsoft will keep on selling the 3fixme at the rate of the xbox thats 11 people a month

[Rageanitus]

As a gamer and many others we knew that xbox is a defective product.... not matter how many xbox fanboys deny it. But the difference now is that more of the general public knows that it is a defective product. It does not help when they announched a 1.1 billion extra loss for their gaming division based soley on the repairs. This is big time negative publicity, especially when MS has taken strides to gain public awareness that they have a gaming division. It is great that they gained market share, but with this negative publicity asa first mover into the next gen gaming market it can also be their downfall.

IMO sony is playing their cards very carefully and it shows. They are showing what we want and stabbing at the negative aspects of their competition.

With all this bad news from ms recently I can picture the 360 having a much shorter lifecyle than the ps3. MS did one thing right, they gained great exposure but at the cost of billions ... If ms wants to keep the 360 in the market for a long time they better redesign it in such a way and emphasize the reliablity of the product rather than the orignal plan of just placing a new chip inside. Not everyone knows what is inside a computer box.

[Rockstar]

I guess people really like that power brick...either that or the 90nm chips.

[eLiNeS]

from Costco or Costco.com if you want an Xbox 360 NOW and not have to wait for a more reliable one to come out. You get a lifetime warranty on most stuff at Costco and the Xbox 360 is covered at no extra cost. I have been buying my Xboxes there for the last 6 years and no matter how long I've had it they will take it back if there is a problem with it.

[Odion]

I am betting the Sony fanboys start calling for our death. because they've won 2 weeks out of this entire week.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Drop the price and make it more reliable and I will get a new one since mine is broken and Microsoft refuses to fix it!

[MannyHarlem141]

lolz does the ps3 beckon you? or are you turned off by the price like the masses

[MoonDust]

thing. Herd it works.

[Syko]

And why wont MS fix it? Or is it they will fix it for $140?

[techie]

He has a ps3. Please stop all this d1ckwaving

[PS360PCROCKS]

Thanks deep. Yeah, I have both man...

edit:: @syko my DVD drive went out and I didn't wanna pay them $140 since it was outside of the warranty so I opened the box (not knowing the overheating was as bad as I thought) and I bought one from wal-mart and switched the insides so mine would work...well after I did that, I'd say like 2-3 months it over-heated and thats where I am now, and Microsoft refuses to even touch it even if I pay them so my only option is to be dishonest again and buy another and switch the insides

[dantesparda]

@ MoonDust
The towel trick doesnt really work, it'll fix it for a little while then break down again, at least thats what it did for me

And damn Xbox360rocks, so your drive died, and then you swap the insides out for a new one, and now that one is broken too? Damn! ridiculous!

But your right about them not touching it if you open it, cuz that's what they told me too, when i was dealing with them. BTW, im about to be on my 3rd 360. I hope this never happens to me again. My 360 has been out to repair since June 22, and has been broken since May 30th

[Syko]

Damn Bill Nye, there's your problem, LOL. You can't just go around guttin' your 360's. But seriously you might as well just be dishonest and do it again if you've already done what's the harm in doing it again?

I have had my 4th 360 for about 1 year and 2 months. However in the first 3 months I had 3 360's. My launch unit was busted and froze right out of the box on the 22nd of 05'. Sent it back and received one that wouldn't sync with the wireless controllers, so I sent that one back. The 3rd one didn't connect to Xbox live so I sent that one back. Needless to say I was more than a little pissed off, But at least I have never had the 3 RRoD. **Knocks on wood**

Sucks though, I think I would be like Hitler in that video when he gets banned from LIVE if I had a busted 360 and couldn't get it fixed. Hell, I might do the unthinkable and get a god damned PS3!! LOL.

But sir think of the Bowling game... F@#$ the F@#$ing Bowling game!!
What about my Gamerscore... =(

Even my Wife said that's what I'd sound like if I didn't have my 360. So I could imagine you are torn. MS has turned their back on you for the last time. But I know you still wanna play the 360 really bad. PS3 just dosen't fill the void, YET. But I am sure it will soon.

[PS360PCROCKS]

haha yeah Dante is sucks majorly man, it was really ridiculous and yeah they told me they wont touch it since I did, but holy man since june 22nd? and you haven't been able to play since May, that really sucks, bet your going nuts...and syko yeah so like me you have gone through your fair share of crap as well...and what bad luck man, lol it never even went out they were just all faulty, that's crazy...well this time I am going to swap them I am going to mod my case with some nice big air flow holes on top so I can maximize the airflow and heat dissipation and I guess if it break again I will do it AGAIN and hopefully by than it is 65nm and their wont be problems...If it werent for the fact I owned so many games, love GOW, just got Forza and am waiting for Halo3,Bioshock, Mass effect, too human, and alan wake I would say fuc* off to Microsoft all together...oh and syke lol I got the PS3, it's nice, but I am still waiting for something to wow me...but that should be soon with lair and HS and Ratchet

[MannyHarlem141]

i'm not sure how the introduction of a 65 nanometer chipset translates to better hardware/performance. Do they run cooler or something? Exactly how big is the difference when you're talkin a just a 25 nanometer differential in removing the terrible red-ring?

I'm currently on my third 360... so far

[big_tim]

Less power consumption, less heat, smaller parts create a bigger air volume inside the shell, better performance.

[SKullDugger]

The 65nm chip sets run cooler because they require less power so their operation temp. is a lot cooler then the 90nm and they are also smaller again less power useage. They will use the 65nm for the GPU and the CPU's.

[Syko]

You do realize we are talking about NANOMETERS right?! That is super small man. But anyways all the issues seem by all indications to revolve around heat. 65nm chips are always more efficient and run cooler than their 90nm counterparts, Due to needing less power. Plus with the addition of the 2nd heatsink MS has solved the problem, But now needs to save face for people making a $400 investment.

[vidoardes]

You would be surprised at how much of a differance moving to 65 nm makes. not only do they run much cooler, the are also alot cheaper to produce. Because the y run cooler, MS can get rid of the new heatsink setup and save more money, and the cost of producing the consoles dramatically reduces. coudl mean a heafty price drop, or MS might use it to offset the cost of repairing the old consoles. I do agree that it needs to be formally announced, as opposed to quietly phased in like it normally is.

[Frulond]

the 65nm chip is the only thing causing the heat sinks?
If so why waiting so much and releasing it on the Falcon?
and why didn't they changed this when people sent their 360's in the first place?
My point is... I don't think this is the only reason why 360's are having heating problems, tho if it was... why did they wait so long?

[THE VIOLATOR]

The 65nm chip sets reduce costs by 50%, allow more air in console, uses less power = less heat. Also gives the space option to place the pwr supply within the console. I call BS on this article, I just went to my local Gamestop to reserve Bioshock & 2 xbox360s were purchased in the 10 minutes I was there. I go there maybe once a month & I have never seen 2 consoles go out the door in that short of time.

Just wait 'till Bioshock, Mass Effect & Halo 3 hit the market - much less a probable price cut. M$'s only problem is technical, otherwise they have the games, the online service, & the lead. Their software sales are through the roof & some of the best titles hit in the next 4 months. Every PS3 game I read about is either being pushed back, having development problems, or is coming out @ 30fps or without the same content as the 360. Alot of folks are going to get the 360 just because of Halo, wait & see, won't be long now.

[devi8i]

25nm reduction is nearly a 28% reduction in core size. Quite sizeable reduction especially when speaking in terms of semiconductors. Imagine if you could reduce the size of your autos engine by 28% and still deliver the same amount of horsepower while utilizing less fuel.

[SlappyMcTaint]

You blind freaking xbot! This story is from a reputable news site that is doing basic math (which is obviously over your head) I can't believe you call BS on this, when M$ themselves have stated the over 1 Billion $$ cost of fixing the 'Boxes and extending the warranties.

You freaking xbots are so gullible!! ...And you keep buying more and more xboxes, even though they just keep breaking! M$ sure brainwashed you lemmings! And I dont' think the 65nm will solve the problem completely. Will switching to smaller, more efficient processors eliminate the disc scratching? LOL LOL LOL

Keep buying them suckers!! And btw, I got some killer swamp land in Antarctica I'd like to sell to you for a helluva deal!!

EDIT: Here's a doozy for you:

http://techreport.com/onear...

Xbox chief unloaded stock amid Xbox failure fiasco
by Cyril Kowaliski - 11:41 am, July 12, 2007

A few days ago, Microsoft owned up to the fact that every single one of the 11.6 million Xbox 360s it has sold suffers from a design flaw that could potentially cause a device failure—the so-called "red ring of death". As a result, the company said it would extend the Xbox 360's warranty to three years. It also predicted that repair costs would add up to somewhere between $1.05 billion and $1.15 billion.
That's not the whole story, though. According to MarketWatch, Microsoft—or at least the company's Xbox chief Robbie Bach—has been aware of the issue for quite some time. A review of filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission suggests Bach sold a whopping $6.2 million in stock between May and the date of the official announcement last week. Bach had reportedly not sold any stock in the eight months prior to that period, suggesting a connection to the Xbox 360 failures. However, a Microsoft spokesman told MarketWatch the trading was "completely unrelated" to the announcement. Microsoft had been aware of the issue for "some months," the spokesman added, but a decision regarding how to deal with it was only reached "much more recently."

[SKullDugger]

Listen this is the amount shipped not sold and 3 BEST BUYS in my area said their 360 orders were a week late getting in and remember this is just for the PRO not the ELITE. MS and the 360 will be fine. I LOVE MINE !!!

[BLACKJACK VII]

Agreed - This is nothingmore than "News 4 Flamers"

[Art of Motion]

Its not looking good for the 360 hardware wise. It has the software as we all know... If they put the new 65nm chipset in there, everyone will be happy, hopefully.

[PS-Wii-60]

Things have been looking bleak for M$ for a while now, especially since E3 '07.

Really though, will any of this matter come September? The Halo Effect doesn't just influence software sales, it will also affect hardware sales on a large scale. I'm confident M$ won't be announcing any losses come this fall.

[Odion]

it makes a big difference, and considering there is also new cooling the system should be fine.

I really don't care the PS3 can mop the floor with the 360 from now till the end of August, but then the real fight starts, considering either one of them could walk away with another 5 million console sales we'll just have to see.

[THAMMER1]

THey really are not making a big case about the deference from last year to this year. 1 major factor is this time last year M$ had no competition at all.

So saying that the repairs and Peter Moore are the major factors here when my logic says the Wii and the PS3 are the major reason. Just my point of view.

The 360's holiday 2007 is about to crazy. HALO 3, GTA4, MADDEN 08, MASS EFFECT, BIO SHOCK, BLUE DRAGON and others will make sure of that.

[EZCheez]

is by far the largest factor, so your absolutely right. Everyone that got tired of waiting for the PS3 to come in and sweep them off their feet decided to buy a 360 because it made the last gen consoles look weak. That's why Microsoft is in the bind that they are in because they rushed it to market. In hindsight though, I think Microsoft made the best move business wise by beating the other two out of the gate, because if all three came out at the same time and the 360 had the lack of games that PS3 does right now, which one would you buy? I think Sony would have won hands down judging from their showing at E3. Most of the great games showcased on the 360 are also coming to the PS3.

There in my opinion, is the big difference between 360 owners and PS3 owners. PS3 owners just have more patience.

[cdzie1]

Microsoft knew it was headed for trouble with this warranty and they were working on a solution. Why would they spend millions on marketing the 360 when they knew of this problem? It doesn’t make sense, so they didn’t.

Now they’ve got this problem fixed, they have the best software lineup for the rest of the year, they were able to charge the warranty costs into the last fiscal year and everything is set for a price drop and aggressive marketing campaign.

You don't win a console war in April, you win it in November & December.

[apoc06]

theres no guarantee that MS knows what they are doing and have actually fixed the problem.

the new heatsinks arent any xbox360s sitting on the shelves, nor are they being added to newly manufactured x360s. how exactly have they 'fixed' the problem?

BTW: UPS should be bringing mine back today! =)

[mcgrawgamer]

I agree Msoft has time. I'm sure they'll announce the new chip, and I also think after the halo3 storm they'll announce a price drop right in time for the holidays nov, I say....

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

LOL 360 is DEAD!!!! OMG!!!

PS3 won in sales 2 weeks out of the whole war!! We've won the console race! Next gen doesn't begin until we say so!!! BluRay FTW!!!!!

Hogwash. Price drop is close, along with release of Halo. Thats why people stopped buying probably. They're waiting for M$'s inevitable price drop.

Have fun with your two weeks of glory fanboys. The 360 is still doing fine.

<EDIT> They were thinking it though. I know it. Lol.

No one's hating but me? News flash turd. This site is overflowing with hate.

BTW it wasn't hate, it was a defense reaction to the title of the article.

[bednet]

I did not see any PS3 fanboy comments before your post...ony 360 fanboys like yourself...dude grow up, nobody's hating but you.

[Lex Luthor]

Check 1.3

[cdawson]

Last year = No competition
This year = Two companies
Enough said, whoever wrote the article is just making news; it's their jobs as journalists.

They really do have to fully adress the hardware problem though, prolonging the warranty isn't going to cut it. This isn't the PC operating system market, they don't have a monopoly and consistently releasing shoddy merchandise will come full swing if this isn't fixed soon.
MS has to know they are quickly losing their grip on the lead this gen, Sony and nintendo will run with the 360's issues and kick microsoft when they're down.
If MS waits another 6 months to fully fix the TROD for good the PR damage will be permanent.

[hotshot1237]

there consoles. i wouldve bought a 360 but idc about a warranty. i dont like waiting 3 to 4 weeks for it to return and doin that all the time for 3 years is not good. they need to fix it. and that would take even more money. microsoft after halo could do better and worse at the same time. think about how many 360's will break once people buy it for halo. u know its gonna happen. thats more money 2 put out

EDIT: I CANT BELIEVE ODION SAID ACE COMBAT SOLD MILLIONS IN JAPAN. 360 HASNT EVEN SOLD HALF A MILLION CONSOLES, SO HOW COULD THEY SELL MILLIONS. DUMMY TO THE FULLEST AND I GUESS ONLY WAY POSSIBLE IS IF 360 KEPT SCRATCHIN THE DISK AND THEY HAD 2 BUY NEW ONES. BUT KNOW BLUE DRAGON BOMBED IN JAPAN

[devi8i]

This kind of drop is expected as the console is reaching maturity and there is increased competition in the marketplace. I imagine we will see a surge in 360 sales as the AAA titles are released later in the year and we approach the holiday season. Original IP's of good quality always push console sales. My only concern is that the release of Halo 3 will shake out the rest of the 360 consoles that have issues resulting in the RRoD. Gamers will be playing Halo 3 more than any other game on 360 to date and for longer periods of time. I believe this to be the real reason behind the timing of the extended warranty by MS. It would be a PR mess to announce it after the launch of halo 3 if there is in fact a surge in RRod failures.

[DrRage77]

hmm, let's think about this...not many games had come out during that time period, the console has been out for a year and a half and sales were weak? wow, that seems absolutely bizarre!! lol

let's see what sales look like when the price drop comes in august, along with Halo3 in September....just like sony fanboys, we can also say "just wait til next month" lol

[Retro-Virus]

Well, this is what happens if you compromise on design & testing time just to be first to the market.

It paid off very well in the beginning but as t (i.e) time, exponentially increases the failures are bound to happen.

[s8anicslayer]

uh oh there goes the neighborhood, now lets see if ms can pull out of this hole! dream cast anyone!lol

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL funny how this got put in the news section when it's clearly an article.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

The up-down wars are in full swing.

[solidt12]

They also need to get rid of the big brick power supply. I hate that thing. It looks like something from the 70's. maybe when the 65nm processors come out they can get id of it.

Also the reason they sold more during that period is because of the holiday. Things mellow out at the beginning of the year then by Sept-Dec ramp back up. That goes for all consoles.

[tehcellownu]

microsoft havin negative news!! all over the place now..i reemmber was the sony..lol...i guess xbots is eatin their words now..

Peter moore dreamcast the 360 and left

[Syko]

"Microsoft has negative news all over the place right now! I remember when it was Sony, LOL. I guess Xbots have to eat their words now.

Peter Moore turned the 360 into a Dreamcast and left."

See the above fix of your retarded statement. If you work on grammar and proper sentence structure, you might work your way up to two bubbles. Even with piss poor comments like this. I just wish you one bubble wonders would realize that you add nothing to the site, and the people that want to have intelligent discussions have to wade through your fanboy river of crap.

Thank you at your attempt to be funny, But try English next time.

Queue the Disagree from tehcellownu =)

Edit - @29.2,
Yes I know, Don't feed the trolls. Guilty as charged. I will adopt that method from now on.

[EZCheez]

You need to remember that not everyone who uses this site is as fluent in english as you are, so lay off on the grammar lessons. Besides, you obviously understood what he tried to get acroos or else you wouldn't have interpreted.

Feel free to tear apart his statement, but don't turn into the English police.

[Syko]

It wasn't so much about the piss poor grammar, as much as it was about uneducated people making uneducated statements. In the words of Peter Griffin, that really grinds my gears!

Sorry wasn't trying to be that guy, Just if you are going to insult something don't prove you're a total idiot in the process. Finally, I have had it with the trolling fanboys. I like people who make intelligent remarks like you, calling me a prick for being a grammar Nazi. LOL ;P

PS: Across is not spelled Acroos =P
Sorry I had to, It was the only mistake you made, LOL

[EZCheez]

Ewe goot mi! Aisle doo bedder nxet tim. lol!

[RussianSniper]

My ass.

Halo 2 was sort of a letdown from Halo 1, it's saving grace was multiplayer, but the Halo 3 beta was released and everyone was going around saying it was just like Halo 2 Multi.

Sorry, but with the amount of hype surrounding Halo (I mean microsoft went as far as to make a limited edition console!!!!!), it's bound to fail.

Sure, it will definitely skyrocket sales, but after Halo....What's left for the 360?

Oh yea, ANOTHER Halo called Halo wars for 08.

Microsoft actually believes they can win this console war by winning this holiday, trying to do what the PS2 did in 2001.

Well, sorry but it's all about games, Halo does get old, and that's why eventually the 360 is going to fall behind, and Microsoft is going to end up doing the same thing that they did with the Xbox.

Drop it and move on...

[The BS Police]

Halo 3
Project Gotham 4
Mass Effect
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Assasins Creed
Grand Theft Auto 4

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

LOL BS Police.

The 360 only has shooters! And nothing after Halo. So funny.

Blindness gets me weak. 360 has more/better games coming out this holiday. Next year we will see. I'm confident M$ will continue to pour out the games.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

flip flapping dbl post!

[SKullDugger]

open your eyes the games for the 360 keep getting better reviews, NCAA 08 PS3 30fps at a locked 720p 360 60fps at 1080i or 1080p. If the PS3 wins it won't be because its a game console it will be because its a BLU-RAY movie player just look at the attachment rate 1.5 games for the PS3 and 6.5 for the XBOX 360, HELLO WAKE UP MAN!!!!!

[Sangheili85]

If you stop making stuff up for a second and read or ask someone that played the Halo3 beta they will tell you its more like Halo1 multiplayer which is a hell of a lot better then halo2. Second they already made a Halo1 edition XBOX and it sold freaking great at the time i worked a circuit city and we sold out in the first day. So they know what their doing. The Hype for Halo3 is huge and it well out sale every other game despite how bad fanboys want it to fail or think its not going to move consoles, It will.

[SlappyMcTaint]

Those games you listed dont' mean much at all. 2 of them are coming to PS3 as well, so they're a moot point. As for PGR4, it's a silly arcade racer which holds nothing to GT5, a PS3 exclusive. Mass Effect might do well, if anybody buys it, since everbody just buys shooters. ASSassins Creed looks overhyped and not impressive, just like Halo 3, as will Halo 4, and Halo 5: the omg, it's another Halo edition. All of these games don't take into account your xbox RROD'ing.

[Boink]

if this doesn't scream price drop , i don't know what does...

[devi8i]

With such a great lineup leading up to the holiday season a price drop will not be coming until next year. The games coming out are console sellers especially Halo 3. If you do not own a 360 yet plan on buying one for any of the games coming out then the price is not a factor. MS is trying to make the gaming division profitable. A price cut now would mean leaving money on the table and make it harder/longer to reach profitability.

Furthermore, a price drop now would look like a direct response to Sony's "price cut" and create the appearance that MS is concerned with competition from Sony. MS has clearly stated before that they work on their own time lines. The holiday sales for MS will dictate how soon after the new year they cut the price.

If I were a betting man I would put my money on a March timeframe for a 360 price cut. This will probably coincide with the new reduced sized parts.

[Balance]

please a price drop in august and halo3, sales will be up 61% over the previous year in the next quarter

[Odion]

People need to stop talking like Sony didn't pull the same crap last year.

Comes out before the other 2, and guess what the laser can't read the discs or it can't read the different colored discs! Ask any game journalist, they all says, ya Sony sold 100 million PS2's how many were rebuys.

It took a class action lawsuit before Sony would address the issue.

Halo 3 is only part of a much bigger line up of games? Also what does Sony have coming for it?

You also must realize that if MS drops the price Sony goes back to last place in sales.

[MarioFromTexas]

Bringing up the PS2 does not solve the problem, does it? M$ rush a faulty hardware and I don't know why you idiots keep defending them. I have bought an ELITE and if it fells, I don't want it replace with another faulty unit. F@ck M$ I play games and could care less what there troubles are but if my Elite messes up then I want a new one and not some refurbish crap, because they know their selling faulty hardware.. I can't beleave how stupid you xbots are defending M$, you need to get their D1cks out of your azz

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

It matters because you act like Sony didn't f**k you in the ass, and then turn around and tell us that M$ is screwing us, when in fact they've corrected the problems, and are fixing them for free.

I don't care if you don't want to hear about the PS2. Your going to as long as you unfairly try to bash the 360. (Shoddy build quality sucks, but at least M$ is playing nice about it)

Sony totally took a major dump on everyone with the PS2, theres no denying it turd.

[RussianSniper]

Halo 3
PGR4
Mass effect
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell
Bioshock

And that's it.

Don't forget about Halo Wars for 2008!

Sorry, but GTA and Assasins creed are Multi-platform.

Even though Microsoft wasted $50 MILLION for extra content, they won't get that till 2008, so what the hell is the point?!

Compared to

Haze
Unreal Tournament 3
Heavenly Sword
Lair
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted:Drakes Fortune
Warhawk
Socom
Folklore

And for the future:
FFXIII
MGS4
KZ2
Little Big Planet
Infamous

[The BS Police]

I only posted this years holiday lineup for 360 games.

Also there is alot more thqan just Halowars comingf out next year for the 360.

T

[MarioFromTexas]

Socom is going to be a system seller

[Odion]

Moron here is the full list of 360 only games

Halo 3
PGR4
Mass effect
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell
Bioshock
Blue Dragon
Lost Od
Ace Combat 6
Katmari
World in Conflict
Earth Assualt
Two Worlds
Viva Pinata
Scene It

Up coming in 2008 already annoucned

Bango 3
Too Human
Halo Wars
Fable 2
Alan Wake
UT3
Haze
Gears of War 2

ya so guess what you really have

Lair
HS
Uncharted
R&C
UT3

good game moron

Lets see.....

Heavenly Sword (2007 Good)
Lair (2007 ok)
Ratchet and Clank (2007 good)
Uncharted:Drakes Fortune (2007 good)
Warhawk (2007 def not a system seller)
Socom Confrontation ( Not a system seller)
Folklore ( Bombed in Japan)

FFXIII ( Late 2008/2009)
MGS4 ( 2008)
KZ2 (2008)
Little Big Planet (2008)
Infamous (2008)
Socom 4 (2008)
Home (2007 NOT A GAME)
Echochrome ( PSN game not a system seller do you want me to get into XBLA list?)

also I am sorry Lighting have you actually played all those unreleased games to be able to say if their good or not? Oh ya you haven't.

Also Ace Combat is a huge franshise in Japan and has sold Millions

Halo 3
PGR4
Mass effect
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell
Bioshock
Blue Dragon
Lost Od
Ace Combat 6

these are easly all going to sell over a million consoles and there are atleast 3 games there that are 100% going to be system movers. Not to mention unlike Sony, MS hasn't said a word about what else is coming in 2008

AND

Viva Pinata and Scene are casual games, and as we all know casual games aren't selling more then everything this year.

[devi8i]

I would not say that MS "wasted" $50 million on extra content for GTAIV. The additional content creates a very strong value proposition for gamers on many levels.

1. Customers whom own both the 360 and the PS3 may be encouraged to purchase the 360 version as it promises a greater gaming experience in terms of additional content.

2. Customers whom own only the 360 feel validated in their decision to only purchase the 360 and thus strengthens their brand loyalty.

3. Customers whom own only the PS3 may have their brand loyalty weakened knowing that there is a seemingly greater game experience on the 360 console in regards to this gaming product.

4. Customers who own neither 360 nor PS3 may be persuaded to purchase the 360 or perceived greater value proposition.

Granted, I believe these scenarios probably play out to the more casual gamers more so than the hardcore gamer; however, it is historically the mass market appeal that generates revenue and not the early adoptions as is typical of hardcore gamers.

[PS-Wii-60]

Could it be that the downloadable content is already included in the PS3 version?
I mean every article I've read has been vague on what that content really is and nothing I've read states it will be exclusive.

It seems very possible that same content is already in the PS3 version since the Blu-ray format has more space for content to be included.

And there was that article/comment from R* concerning the development issues and the 360 which seems relevant to my point.

I've been debating on which version I would buy but, I've been waiting for more info before making that decision.
If anyone here has anything conclusive to add (not speculation or rumors) I'd really appreciate it since I want to reserve my copy soon, before it's too late.

[SlappyMcTaint]

Wow, you're a freakin' marketing genious!! Each of those games are going to sell 1 mil. consoles?!!? WOW!!! And you haven't even played them yet! You fools are funny, retorting to every comment with a list of games nobody has played and can't say anything about except SPECULATION!

So Nostradamus, when will i win the lottery? When will you catch me with your mom?

[THAMMER1]

I also know that new or different things are hard to accept especially if they are better than what we ar used too. The 360 will still be a major player this generation if you guys like it or not.

Just look at it like some thing you will have to live with like being ugly or retarded which you are probably dealing with now.

[skylar2000]

thammer1 is gay

[THAMMER1]

So which are you retarded or ugly? Just want to know for future references.

@devi8i

You 100% correct. Sorry, I do know better.

[devi8i]

you have just been added to my ignore list.

I have a plan: If everyone starts ignoring the posters whom make inflammatory and or derogatory remarks instead of responding to them then we can make this a much better community. Eventually those posters will either leave because no one is responding to them and or they will start becoming meaningful contributors to our community.

Just a suggestion

[RussianSniper]

I posted this years lineup too buddy.

Those first six are due out this year.

Why don't you elaborate on what the 360 has for the future?

Because obviously Microsoft hasn't thought about it considering their E3 showing...

@ThaHammer:
No doubt the 360 is a competitor this generation, but the 360 fanboys honestly believe they've already won when Halo comes.

Sorry to say, it's all about the games, not A GAME.

Exactly why the PS2 won the last war, and why the xbox lost.

@Odion

Funny how you probably pulled that off a Google search.

Sorry, but I'm talking about games with POTENTIAL.

Scene it?

LOL, and your calling me a moron.

Ace combat 6 a system seller, yep, that's guaranteed.

Oh, and Viva pinata, a Network download, well buddy, now as I have to bring in HOME.

Please, good game?
Sorry, more like what we really have:

Heavenly Sword
Lair
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted:Drakes Fortune
Warhawk
Socom Confrontation
Folklore
FFXIII
MGS4
KZ2
Little Big Planet
Infamous
Socom 4
Home
Echochrome

And you have...oh was that Scene it?

Halo 3
Mass Effect
Too Human
Bioshock
PGR4

And I'm not going to bother with those 2 things you call "RPGS" considering there's barely half a million 360's sold in Japan when it was released a Year and a half ago....

[The BS Police]

Fable 2
Tom Clancy's EndWar
Condemned 2: Bloodshot
Too Human
Devil May Cry 4
Alan Wake
Halo Wars
Haze

[dachawk]

Sony is 2 years behind MS in on-line gaming value. It's 1.5 years behind in games. I have a 360 and ps3 and I'm frustrated at all the promises of games from Sony. Where's SOCOM and Killzone??? Sony is trying to slow down MS ... because that's all they can do. They have no on the shelf game depth. MS came out early with the 360 and Sony was force to bring out PS3 much earlier than they planned for ... that's why there are few games and on-line robustness is weak. When Sony catches up in 2 years, MS will be on another platform.

[PS-Wii-60]

I agree with most of what you said.
Honestly, by the time Cell comes into it's own AND Home is realized as the future of online social networking AND people begin to understand the importance of Blu-ray to gaming (not movies!) M$ will have to release a new system. But, that's not a bad thing!
XBox360 GAVE US next-gen gaming. I can't wait to see what they come up with next, no doubt it will blow us all away.

@ BS Police
Finally someone mentions Condemned 2. Condemned has to be one of the most underrated games ever. To me it was THE launch title that showed off what the 360 was capable of. It is a permanent addition to my collection and the sequel is one of my most anticipated games of the coming year.
BTW, Alan Wake should be good too. They're touting it as an open world survival horror? How can you go wrong!

[Balance]

ace combat is out this year also that needs to be on the list.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Halo 3
PGR4
Mass effect
Eternal Sonata (trying for Japan)
Splinter Cell
Bioshock
Blue Dragon (trying for Japan)
Lost Od
Katmari (Crap)
Ace Combat 6 (Crap)
World in Conflict (Crap)
Earth Assualt (Crap)
Two Worlds (Crap)
Viva Pinata (Crap)
Scene It (Crap)

Up coming in 2008 already annoucned

Bango 3 (Crap)
Too Human (hyped crap, unreal problems)
Halo Wars
Fable 2
Alan Wake (Crap)
UT3 (PS3 first)
Haze (PS3 first)

[RussianSniper]

WTF is alan Wake?
Is it seriously that one Boat shooting game that was out on the original Xbox?

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

...

[okcomputer]

Have you seen ace combat? That game looks awesome. I agree with the rest of the games labeled "crap" though, you can throw blue dragon in there also, that game looks freaking terrible especially with the dragon ballz art style.. and btw you're really reaching when you put katamari on a list of good games lol. And isn't bioshock being released for pc too? Either way though, halo 3 should be decent, mass effect looks awesome, splinter cell might be really good and too human has potential, so there are some pretty good games in that mix.

[mightydog01]

wrong haze ps3 exclusive.

[CodeMonkey]

Ever since the damn PS3 pricedrop all the little PS3 fanboys have been getting hard-ons. "PS3 IS WINNING! XBOX SUX0RS HAHA!"

Look at the sales you jackasses. Of course they will outsell the Xbox during the pricedrop. Overall Xbox is still spanking and the game selection if far better. PS3 has crap titles unless you are into anime and other h0m0 stuff.

The funniest thing is the Xbox can have all these hardware issues and the sales are still close to the PS3 even after a $100 price drop. Get off your high horse, sell your ps3 and cut your loses.

[akaFullMetal]

but your forgetting that the ps3 is more expensive still, and really doesnt have anygames, til this fall, so it selling better than the 360 with its huge list of games that already out, and it being cheaper it just is a little funny that its out selling the 360, especially in america

[Art of Motion]

Why the hell do we all fight over bloody games consoles???? why!!!!! we are acting like dumb nerds, i'm sorry but its true. Its getting boring now... 'GEARS looks better, ehhhhh no get lost killzone 2 LOOKS BETTER!!!' does it bloody matter... REALLY GUYS DOES IT MATTER. You spend more time on this website than you do playing games and you call yourselves hardcore gamers... ha Get off this website, go play games and have fun... STOP FLAMING each other.

happy gaming.

[okcomputer]

Fanboys on both sides are so pathetic.

[tk]

MS lost the initiative. With the massive problems they have, they will need to re-launch when they release with the 65nm chip and prove that it is more reliable - otherwise the momentum will continue downwards. Just the way the market works. They most probably lost this generation already due to the RROD and disk scratches. They should really focus on making a very very reliable 65nm XB360, swallow the fact that sales will be less than before - but try to salvage their reputation. If the 65nm is crap too, then the prediction will be that the 720 will be a flop due to consumer distrust. All they can do for this generation is to try and salvage respectability.

[power of Green]

Its obvious there are PS3 fanboys still looking to debunk MS's earnings news or trying to dumb down its importance so they can gather and comfort themselfs and vent now because once the 360 price drops with its game line-up and 3 year warrenty the PS3 will be in last place this whole generation and it scares the sh*t out of them for some reason.

[Bigmac573]

360 is dead.

[BigFART]

HaHaHa....HaHa,HaHaHaHaHaHa!!! !!! Ha!

[power of Green]

tk PS2 had so many problems Massive lawsuits were made public with media frenzies. Everybody and their mama's were taking the PS2 apart tweeking it, people had 3-6 laying around their house like cars on a Mexican's or white trash lawns.

Even the PS2 owners were so fed up they were just as nasty about the defects as non Sony fanboys but they didn't care they tried to get them to work because of games.

#36, No the PS3 is finished this news was post in response of MS being able to cut the price of the 360 this would actaully destroy the PS3.

[trueltie5]

The financial industry already knows it. Shareholders are screaming for MS to pull the plug on the lousy Xbox gaming division. You know the Xbox is going to do what Sega did...get out of the hardware business and get into software (which they're better at). Don Mattrick new xbox leader is not a hardware guy...he's a Software guy...These Xbox gamers ALWAYS seem to be in denial when the bad news fall on Xbox. Accept it...it was a decent run. The "xbox fanboys" can always keep hoping...but when something doesn't work MS moves on...Knowing how dumb MS can get they might start making automobiles...and this might give "Xbots" more excuses to justify why the cars suck so bad

[tudors]

Lightning - Crap

Banjo - How do you know it's crap when you havent seen it, Ratchet and Clank is probably crap if you don't like that kind of game but as is with Banjo if you like that type of game it probably is anything but crap.

AlanWake - Looks fantastic; what are you on.

World in Conflict - Looks promsing.

Two Worlds - looks promising.

Why the over use of the word crap. I could comment about PSN (crap)and the Sims rip off it uses as an alternate to live (crap)

[Art of Motion]

Alan Wake does look great... i'm talking about that one trailer i saw 2 odd years ago lol. I need to hear more...

[power of Green]

Everybody already knew this, this is old.

Have fun Sony fanatics.

EDIT: Are you Idiots smart enough to understand that this report could be shoddy and the person that wrote it knows nothing of what went on?.

It could be "because of the other consoles" launching and taking some of the market!. Did you idiots flooding in here ever consider the other consoles are taking some of the market and there is no way of telling the ratio of the RROD ignors and the sharing of the market after MS's Xbox 360 had it all to itself for a Year?. Its best if you just leave.

Go play your PS3 and pray MS doesn't drop the price this side of Christmas...

[Pika-pie]

Ha Ha your a funny XBOT. Just face facts! You invested your money in a Mini Metro when you should have bought an Astin Martin.

[mightydog01]

you say idiot.I had a 360 not any more3. the 360 is the worst console I've ever had in failing hardware. And claim 11.5 million users. how many bought second 360, If u work out the figure,s, they are misleading.The 360s doing poorly. It was rush out and you suckers keep on defending it, while microsoft are covering up how bad it really is. Its losing huge amounts of money like saturn the dreamcast look what happened to them.Thats why peter moore's gone, he knows whats coming and jump the sinking ship.PS THEY SHOULD HAVE RECALLED THE 360Ss LONG TIME AGO INSTEAD OF COVERING UP. NOW THEY'RE IN A MESS.

[DaEnforcer]

It's over folks, it's oveeeeeeeeeeeeeer haha

[Kyur4ThePain]

Reading you posts, I've come to the conclusion that you have created an imaginary world in your head. In this world there are two sides, the MS side, and the Sony side. Everything in this world is created by either one of the two sides.

The bad news is that you've allowed this make-believe stuff take over reality. You do know that the decline in sales wasn't made up by one of those two sides in your head, right? It's real.
It wasn't a retaliation to any other news. It's just fact.

Sometimes I'm really worried for you. You need to see someone.

@ CodeMonkey below
Thanks for letting me open p0rn in front of kids at home.
Reported.

[CodeMonkey]

You surf the web with your children? Even more, you go on video game forums with your children? Sorry for your luck Flanders.

[trueltie5]

I'm wondering if they're going to do a sequel to that movie Boiler Room and have some hole in the wall stock trading company selling BS Xbox stocks to people and take the Xbots money and run with it....lol...
Farrow Tech= Xbox

[CodeMonkey]

You are hilarious sir. You honestly think one of the largest companies in the world is going to pull the plug on their soon-to-be market? MS can afford to drop another billion, and other, and other. Sony released an article on how they plan to get back into the market...its comical: http://www.lemonparty.org

[Itachi]

you actually go on the internet and search for that gay sh*t

you are probably a f*cking pedophile you sick cunt

i have never put someone on ignore but focks like you deserve to rot in hell

[USMChardcharger]

its up, its down...wii is winning...no, ps3 is outselling all system 2 to one...never mind the 360 is destroying every system on ebay sales...amazon is out of stock on the ps3...wii is fading...wait no wii is almost has the same install base as 360...the 360 and ps3 is fighting for 2nd place even though the 360 has the largest install base...ps3 is now on top because it sells out at walmart...the moon just fell out of orbit and that contributed to a 2.453% lose in all console sales, plus it is going to collide with earth and we all die and so EA wins...ect ect ect

you read one story about who is winning and then just 2 news post later some one else is winning for what ever reason.

wtf

you could insert the HD-DVD and Blue-ray battle in that as well.

[ash_divine]

welcome to the console war.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

These kind of posts just rattle the bones of fanboys. I'm sure this post especially is bothering XBOX 360 fanboys. That's why it's getting so many posts.

Watch it's gonna end up getting over 100 comments and be posted at the top with the 3 main stories.

[USMChardcharger]

Lightning SAID "I'm sure this post especially is bothering XBOX 360 fanboys. That's why it's getting so many posts."

it is probably comments like that, that rattles fanboys. i don't really have to say anything...you know what your comment was intended to do...practise what you are half preaching

articles don't start fanboy wars...it is the comments that are made about the articles by the fanboys.

[Pika-pie]

OUCH!

Betting a price drop in the very near future. Timed just before Halo 3 release!

[IQUITN4G]

"Earlier this week, Microsoft announced that Xbox chief Peter Moore was leaving the company "for personal reasons." It was later disclosed that he had jumped ship to video game publisher Electronic Arts."

He didn't jump ship ,it was for personal reasons that the decision was made.Closer to family being one of these.

[mightydog01]

Well he aint goner say the true his he. He'll look bad.He's gone because 360s in a mess, That he created bye not being honest and covering up how bad it really is. He got out before its to late thats more to the truth?

[XxZxX]

Do you guys really think more software will help XBOX 360 back from its sales. Look at it now, absolutely great software available and great lineup too but, not happening. Price cut might help abit, but it's their market perception of their hardware. A very fragile products, Mainstream users will tried to stay clear from it. Even though with 3 years warranty, Users still trying to avoid constant dealing with costumer services. Microsoft has to find a way to gain back users confidence. 3 year warranty is not good enough. I don't think recall will help any how if anything make it worse. They need to launch a new SKU and disown the current one, somehow like DS Lite. A redesign with new look and 65nm cheap and using strong marketting campaign to inform users about the new better and faster chip as well as sleeker/slimmer look will help and along with 3 year warranty. That will bring back user's confidence.

[DJ]

that 3-year warranty extension might be doing more harm than good. A lot of people who had no clue that the 360 was going through massive failures now have tangible proof that something isn't quite right with the system. If it was reliable hardware, Microsoft wouldn't have had to have a warranty that's 3 times longer than their competitors. Had that been done from the start, they would've been viewed as saints; now that we know that millions of consoles are dying left and right, the warranty looks more like a warning to stay away from the inconvenience and uncertainty of owning said hardware. It seems like a much safer bet to purchase Sony and Nintendo hardware instead; we don't see those companies spending over a billion dollars on repairs.

[highps3]

LOL..

Xbox Fanboys deserve everything they get. Let me sit back and grab some popcorn because this is going to be funny..

Better hope M$ saved some money for future game... lol... $50 million for what again?

I still love my launch Ps3 and my free online :) No problems whats so ever. And Sony unlike Microsoft actually provides us with new content (whether demos trailers or downloadbles) every single thursday. Hows your Wednesday thing going?

[AngryTypingGuy]

We just got the original Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Axe, Bomberman, and a great demo of The Darkness, how about yourself? Honestly Xbox Live is the best live service around, and Sony has some serious catching up to do before it will rival it.

[RINGOFDEATH]

GAME OVER DREAM CAST 2= XBOX 360 RIP

360 = A ticking time bomb

[AngryTypingGuy]

Microsoft needs to: 1) Let the public know that they've fixed the problem. 2) Announce a price drop. 3) Wait for its amazing fall lineup, which includes Halo 3.

Microsoft will be just fine. All 3 companies will have peaks and valleys, just look at Sony. They had a disastrous start with PS3, but they'll be just fine, as will Microsoft. The best thing Microsoft has going for it is its superior, unmatched gaming lineup and gaming experience. The hardcore gamers know that the 360 is the system to have.

[GodofPeace]

Any Hardcare Gamer would know a high end computer is the system you need.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Unless you're a hardcore gamer that prefers consoles. Many more great games come out for consoles than PC. PC gaming has been on the decline for some time now.

[zonetrooper5]

lol at highPS3, XBL has got more content, more arcade games to play with and a hell of alot more things to buy or download for free off it then PSN. We get trailers, demos, videos, music way before you guys. I'm happy to pay £40 a year, which = £2 something a month. Very cheap eh?

As for games, the 360 has got alot of them already and many more to come. I think a price drop would help alot with the sales. Its been 2 years already and no price cut, the first Xbox had a price cut in like 2 months. As for the 360, mine is working well, I'm sure that there will be broken 360's like there will be some broken Wii's or broken PS3's.

[GameHero]

I own a 360(3rd one)and am currently waiting on microsoft to repair it. Now with that said, I do have to give microsoft their props because microsoft told me that the 3 year warranty begins after they complete the current repair(not from the time of my original purchase, but from current repair) also they are giving out a free month of xbox live (assuming its the gold service, I will give it to my son)...So as much as I dislike microsoft and their consoles. I will go on the record to say "this is a cool thing". However, this move will not convert me from "The Dark Side" (PS3 OWNS!)

Ur...Uh...Good for you, Microsoft!(GameHero says while he bites his lip)

[AngryTypingGuy]

I always thought that the "Dark Side" was Microsoft. After all, they are the new kids who are trying to intrude on Sony's success. And to that, I say, come to the dark side, it's better over here. More great games, and better live service.

[Killa Aaron]

i sold my xbox 360 back in November last year to gamestop because of the hardware problems and i got tired of sending it in and i wasn't tempted to buy any games since it was a slow period for games and i was going to wait this year and buy a better 360 with Halo 3,PGR4,GTA4,Mass Effect,NBA 2K8,and all the better games for this year so to me it was worth the wait for me not to play games for 10 months.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Microsoft slowed down its shipments. MS only shipped 700,000 that quarter. We can all take guesses as to why. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the demand for the 360.

If anything it most likely has to do with them preparing for a price drop and the new and improved chipset so there are less problems in the future with the red rings.

MS has the ability to ship out 2 million a quarter if they wanted. But more isn't better if the failure rate is above average. Obviously MS is taking its time with its shipments. Most likely spending more time testing units before they ship them. Or whatever it is they do for quality control until they can get the improved systems with price cut shipped for Halo 2 and the Holiday season coming.

We can all speculate...But the fact remains that the 360 has a healthy lead at over 11.6 million sold.

I say sold clearly because thats what MS has stated numerous times. I believe MS over journalist with agendas.

I also believe NPD's sales figures which is right in line with MS's worldwide Sold statements.

The 360 continues to sell more consoles in Europe/Canada/Australia/and the Good ole USA every month. Even with MS shipping out less units as of late.

I can guarentee you one thing for sure. The month Halo 3 launches and beyond...MS will ship massive amounts of consoles...and most likely consoles at a cheaper price and improved quality.

With that said...I believe that Most 360 gamers have had the kind of luck I have had. I have 6 xbox 360's and 1 ELite. I haven't had one go bad yet. And if one did...I am extremely comfortable and happy with MS's 3 year warranty. And I would have hated to miss out on playing Forza 2, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Crackdown, PGR, Dead or Alive 4, Oblivion...which I beat twice with all the expansions currently not available on the ps3, Saints Row, and so on and so on. I have clocked in 100's and 100's of hours in exclusive 360 content with friends and family. I wouldn't trade the fantastic experiences I have had for the world. I love Gaming. I enjoy Gaming. And I'm glad MS has addressed what ever issue they had...slowed down the shipments...and hopefully get the price cut ready with the improved 360's.

[Anything but Cute]

Microsoft maybe have cut back shipments, but it wasn't as if demand was so high than XBOX 360 is sold out in stores.

Sales numbers always get twisted because to the companies if they shipped it, according to them it's as good as sold.

[ReBurn]

I saw at least 4 premiums and 10 elites in Best Buy just a little while ago. Heck, they even had Wii's.

Edit: Someone disagrees? Did you just run out to Best Buy and see what they had left?

[The BS Police]

Would maybe be caused by Microsoft adding the new heatsinks.

[SofaKingReetodded]

the amount of spin in these reponses has me dizzy.

only in a fanboy's mind does a console keep selling well even though it has more than a %30 chance of failing.

[Da Ghostdog]

I brought an Elite on launch day because my launch 360 died three weeks before the Elite went on shelves. I just brought the Nyko Intercooler EX. I'm suprised, the little mofo works. It a little loud, but it's doing its job extracting the heat from the console. I think MS knows that they PO'ed some of their consumers. And all the consumers want a "better" 360. I prey this 65nm chip clears the smoke out of the air. Too many good games coming out for the 360 this year.

[Shaka2K6]

Microsoft Xbox 360 has failed its game over.

Microsoft just stick with milking your OS monopoly,Microsoft Xbox 360 has been a disater for the company.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Most people don't care about news like this. Does anyone believe a mother or father or a non-hardcore gamer which by the way is a majority of gamers even read news like this. They walk in the store want a system and take it home. Thats why sales fluctuate up and down. tomorrow sales will be up. Thats the way it has always been.

[ReBurn]

But they also have a decent install base. There are probably several million 360's already in the pipeline and they are gearing up for a new hardware configuration.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just looking forward to the new games this fall.

[The Wood]

this war between console owners is silly BUT thats why n4g is what it is and why it attracts so many people. Flamers can be ignored. Simple. People who prefer the ps3 (AND VICE VERSA)should stay away or risk losing bubbles quickly cause theres nothing worse than a fanboy scorned.. I mean you could put down a non flaming sensible comment or opinion and get STFU's sent after ya with a couple presses of the minus button and a few disagree's because some cant agree with something that attacks their preferred console. Banter is banter but some commenters on n4g are taking this waaay too seriously. The article title is soooooo wet with gasoline its a joke. Dont expect too many sensible comments and that goes for the defenders of everything 360 not just the attackers of everything 360. I sound so boring so ill ad this to show that i can laugh. its old but still a classic

Edit

I dont think MS can afford to cut the price until most of the defective consoles have been replace by the more reliable ones with the better chips/heatsinks etc (falcon thing)

[andiholic]

Let's mess with some numbers

Units sold: 10+ million.
Price: $400 a unit
Failure rate: ~30%

No recent news of reduced production costs for the xbox 360s out at the moment so it would be safe to assume current price is below COST PRICE. If this is so then they'll be making a loss for every console sold.

Now let's say the per unit loss is $50.

** edit:

@ ReBurn
Yeah. My calcs were base purely on replacement so I'll change to $50 repair cost instead of $450 replacement. They're all just made up numbers anyway but should show that Microsoft is likely to be making losses per unit sold and due to the failure rate. So >>>>>>

**

That would mean Microsoft has lost over $650 million. They would lose even more if they fully replace the faulty consoles.

Conclusion:

Things are not looking good.

Since they have not reduced the price already, after a year and a half, it would be safe to assume the xbox pricing is probably still below production cost and still making losses per unit sold.

So if they reduce the price now, they are going to make even greater losses.

This would work if they could drive out the competition but the Wii isn't going anywhere and especially not the Ps3 who has already started the price drop and good games are starting to come in.

Microsoft should just throw in the towel and focus on games development only - not consoles. Microsoft is a software after all. Sony specializes in hardware. Both companies should stick to what they know well.

Lets just have one console and many games not many consoles and many games. It's costing everybody.

[ReBurn]

Microsoft's financial year is over. The estimated costs of the 360 repairs under the new RROD warranty are already paid for. That won't factor into future production at all, so you can't put that into your calucation. So any manufacturing efficiencies they achieve with revised hardware can be passed along to consumers.

A price cut is inevitable. That's just the way the game works. At some point sales slow because everyone willing or able to pay the price has done so.

[s8anicslayer]

here's a the solution to the defective 360's. DON'T PLAY IT, BUY A PS3!

[TruthHurts]

think about it.
MS has lost 1.2 billion this year, because of defective consoles (about 3 million).
So their is about 7 million consoles out there that have a pretty good chance of HAVING PROBLEMS.

if you think they`ll lose 4 billion dollars(for sure) alone on repairs (plus you lose $$$ right away from launch) and start sending more out to come back to add to that 4 billion. YOU...CRAZY. why do you think they only shipped 700,000 w/ HALO3 coming out in a month and a half?
Right now their playing w/ other peoples stocks (who don`t care at all about videogames). IF something doesn`t change quickly...........

MS is here to make $$$ not lose it.

@everyone
anyone who think MS doesn`t have serious problems is BLIND.

1.They have given out 3 year warrantys (good, but says we have a HUGE problem)
2.Robbie Bach selling 6.2 billion worth of 360 stock. (thats the worst sign of all)
3.Peter Moore "moving on" (say what you want it`s bad)
4.Cancelled X07 (doesn`t that seem wierd to you)
5.Epic is not as close as you thought (say what you want it`s bad)
6.Only Shipping 700,000 units (before HALO3?)
7.Losing Billions (and doesn`t seem to be stopping anytime soon, w/ 360s failing)
8.Showed Nothing for 08/09 thats 1st party (why?)
9.Making No Ground in JAPAN w/ nothing on the horizon for them (its very important to MS)
10.Basically any news that has been MS related (take your pick)

I`m not saying the 360 WILL be gone, but this is what happening in the company over the last month.

edit: people can disagree all they want, these are the FACTS, not my opinion.

[SofaKingReetodded]

when he openly started bashing PS3 games to my face, "talk to me in three years time when the 360 is history", left him pretty much speechless and from the looks of it I might as well be called GAMESTRADAMUS....lol

[s8anicslayer]

how could the 360 still be selling well, or how could the sales of the 360 fluctuate so dramaticaly, down 60% comon guys, fanboy or not this is not the dow jones industrial. (wall street)

[NextGen24Gamer]

The 360 while only shipping 700k that quarter...3 months equals a quarter....Still outsells the ps3....

The ps3 has been at 80k a month and at most 100k a month in the USA...and 40 to 50k a month in Japan...

The Ps3 is only selling approx...350k a quarter folks....But they are shipping millions....lol....So talk all you want about the lowest shipping month of its 2 year cycle at 700k....but when its all said and done its still massively outselling the "NEW" Ps3.

Now ask yourself...Who's in trouble? The company with over 11.6 million consoles sold or the company with 3 million consoles sold? lol

[Antan]

Don`t forget European and Oceania territories Elite, that will bump your figure up somewhat, your not the only one to miss us europeans off!

[WilliamRLBaker]

retail sales have yet to decrease only shipped sales.

[Jrome]

as someone that has owned every system since nintendo...minus gamecube and nintendo's units after that. I must say that, i've spent too much time on the sidelines and have decided to put in a small input. I also have PS3 and Xbox 360.

I'm on my second 360...and when i got my ps3, that is when i realised that my 360 sounds like my damn vacuum cleaner -.- but that's besides the point

Short breakdown of the followin years.

-Halo 3 comes out followed by halo 3 merchandise etc. Xbox sells LIKE CRAZY

-people begin to realise why M$ extended their warranty to 3 years as 360's overheat from chronic halo 3 playing.

-Halo 3 continues to be the only real game selling on 360.

-PS3s library of games begins to grow and it's sales increase as 360 sales begin to decrease even more due to the fact that halo 3 is just one game.

Keep in mind..sony is a company that knows how to win a console war. Microsoft is a company that knows how to throw a system out there and lose billions of dollars doing so(ex. Xbox : lost money, 360 : losing even more money)

-PS3 over the long term will become the dominant system people will once again realise why we all love sony ^_^.

-xbox will release the 720...only to lose even more money as the battle turns out to be just like PS2(ps3) vs Xbox (xbox 720)...even though 720 is a little stronger...it will lose embarassingly because it only will have one game ...Gears of War 3 LOL

Why did you think they made gears of war?...because they knew that halo was coming to an end with halo 3..so now they need another ONE exclusive to "carry" their box. Gears of War ^_^...as much hype as gears of war will get..as with halo ...it will not be able to carrry a system by itself. PS3 will continue to produce next-gen games.

-Blu-Ray will have won...xbox 720 will come with blu-ray...and a blu-ray attachment..will be available on 360 by late 08.

only time will tell...but for now...the verdict..PS3 will come out on top..i mean come on here?. You guys say PS3 is too expensive, do you realise HOW MUCH MICROSOFT IS SCAMMING YOU?.

first 360: 400 dollars..
elite with bigger harddrive: 450 dollars
halo edition 360: 400 dollars
65nm chip 360: 400 dollars
xbox live over the longterm: 200+
HD-DVD drive: 200 dollars...wasted..because HD-DVD is failing
grand total: 1450 + 200 (wasted) = 1650 dollars
realising you could have just spent 600 on a good system (ps3): priceless ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Rock Bottom]

LOLOOOOLLOOOL LOOL LOL, whahahahahaaaaa... whhhaaaawhwwhhwhaaaa haa haha.

true to some extinct, But seriously why every one say the have 360 and ps3 when they're saying thing like these.

[rowdy 1]

to bad

[NextGen24Gamer]

You do realize that multiple accounts will quickly decrease your bubbles right?

Secondly...You do realize that the xbox 360 has a game to console ratio of 5.9. And continues to sell more games than the Wii and Ps3 combined right?

Thirdly you do realize that "EVERY" 3rd party game looks and plays better on the 360 and "EVERYONE" knows this.

Fourth, you do realize that there are more million plus selling games on the 360 than the ps3 right. Oh, thats right....The Ps3 doesn't have ONE million selling game yet. By this time last year the 360 had 5 million plus selling games. lol....

And last but not least.....You are aware that HD DVD has been outselling BLu ray over the last 2 months right? And that HD Dvd stand alone players outsell blu ray stand alone players 3 to 1 right now.

Oh, and lets not forget that the Ps3 has been out for 9 months yet its only sold 3 million consoles. WOW....And they are loosing in Japan for the first time in over 10 years. They are loosing in Japan to Nintendo 6 to 1. They are loosing in the USA to Microsoft 6 to 1. And they are loosing in Europe to Microsoft and Nintendo 3 to 1.

But you keep your faith in the over priced, under delivering system....lol...And don't use this screen name too much while using your one bubble account. lol

There is no console war between the Ps3 and the 360 folks.

11.6 million to 3 million is total domination.

And whats ironic is prior to the ps3 launch all these same clowns that now have 1 bubble were Screaming about how when the Ps3 Launches the 360 would be crushed by the power of the Ps3. lol.... Boy oh boy were they a little off the rocker. And now I can understand how they have gone mad bashing the 360 every chance they get and creating multiple accounts to have more of their lunatic rants about how the Ps3 still has a chance...lol...yeah right. You can't fool people anymore. I own both systems. Its clear and obvious which is better for games. In my opinion its not even up for debate anymore. I'm just waiting for a true next gen game to be released for Sony's slowly selling system. I have many AAA games for the 360...Some exclusive...many 3rd party...but always the best next gen experience available.

[Chava]

wtf r u on about, 2 million sellin' games: m'storm and res - probably loads of other bull in that "comment" of urs, but cant b arsed readin it cos it's bigger than the article at tha top of the page...

[Lumbo]

I stopped reading your comment when you wrote PS3 has no million selling games, as clearly RfoM and Motorstorm are ... I don't have time to read bs comments :p

[NextGen24Gamer]

The Ps3 hasn't had one game in the top 10 selling list since its launch. If you actually think they both have hit the one million mark...Well then that would mean 1 out of every 3 ps3 owners bought both of those games. And I doubt that very very seriously.

The ps3's game to console attatch rate is horrible. Its 1.6 games sold per console. lol..... Sony fanboys do all this talking but yet they don't even support their console where it matters most....But some damn games.....

1.6 games sold per console compared to 5.9 for Microsoft. And you times that 1.6 times the Ps3's 3 million sold...and you have a laughable figure.

Times the 5.9 with 11.6 million. And you can clearly see why developers love the 360. And why Gamers have clearly chosen which console is best "Right Now" in regards to next gen games. WOW...

[SlaughterMeister]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

HAAAAAA!!

*cough*

HA!

[badkolo]

First off I hope you do realize(lightning and others here) that by the posts you make we can clearly see that your under the age of 16 and are a sony troll. But i was once 16 and i loved my genesis over the nes for whatever reason so i deep down inside understand why you stand by all of sonys mistakes and take whatever they give you and apologize and make excuses for everything they have done, theres a lundry list of mistakes and lies sony has done this gen with the ps3.

Now yes ms and the 360 have issues and have had ups and downs but they have games and a better online service yet your never willing to give credit you just want to bash what you havent used or are willing to try.

thats the problem, the problem is not the 360 faulting or the ps3 being to expensive and having no games nor a unified online service with tons of content, the problem is you and all like you who just bash and therefore really dont get paid attention to by adults but you know you fuelt he fire with xbotx that will try to counter your remarks, both of chilidsish and play no part i the big picture if sony is to win or lose or if ms will win or lose.

Now to the hardware issue, MS must address this immediatly by swapping out consoles that are in store now and adding a logo of some sort to differinciate it from older boxes, let the public know new stock thats not faulty is in its place, announce cost reduction and then reduce the prices of all sku's and accessories, announce a free version of gold so to stir up some good pr and let all the games release from end of august to december, those games will sell systems and will keep coming week after week and add the arcade title arriving and movies and shows, everyone will forget and the 360 will do just fine.

The ps3 will get new rumble controller so people like me stop B!ching about it so i can feel my ps3 games , more hits and exclusives are coming for ps3 and psn will eventually get better and have more content and services and HOME is coming, so ps3 will be fine.

BUT as much of a 360 fanboy i may be I will say this

A pricedrop alone will do nothing to help MS sell the ampunt of consoles they need to win and keep selling.
THEY MUST ADDRESS the console problem sistuation besides the 3 year warrenty, they cant just expect people TO WALK IN AND BY A CONSOLE WITH A 50/50 chance of dying just becuase it has a good warrenty, THEY NEED TO fix the issues and let everyone know its fixed or else they are doomed.

[R0l3]

That will fix the hardware failures...

[Jrome]

Ok, so the fact that you think I have another account shows your ignorance. And..I are you trying to compare PS3 to 360? or the wii?. Lol, because if you want to bring the wii into this then the wii is beating the 360 like no other as well. So, anyway the wii isnt even in the the next-gen category, it's still last gen, just with a twist so lets leave it out of this because i could say the same that the wii outsells 360 EASILY.

So, if HD-DVD is outselling blu-ray so much now why do we see companies leaning more towards the blu-ray? I mean the winner isnt dependant on who sells the most whenever, it's dependent on HOW MUCH SUPPORT YOU HAVE.

I'm going to break a little here to point out that, you try so hard to bash the ps3 that you lose all sense of logic and start to throw out all you can. I am not a sony boy, I am a gamer, I have 2 xbox (used to have 3) and one 360. I only have 1 ps2 and 1 ps3. I even had the green and silver xbox. Still i have 1 ps2 and ps3, i have more xboxs than i do playstations, so please stop acting immature and speaking nonsense.

Anyway, 360 has been out a year before ps3, rushed trying to beat out ps3 simply because they knew ps3 was the better system, i mean ps2 did beat the xbox, so microsoft knew they needed to come harder. They were even going to release halo 3 at the same time as the ps3 to counter it's sales.

By the way, 360 sold so many games by this time last year, because IT WAS THE ONLY NEXT-GEN SYSTEM OUT (Lol).

Ok so, a lot of games are developed for the 360 it's cruising going a long. The games look so much better blah blah blah. 360 uses DVDs...the same as ps2 and xbox..developers know how to develop for that with ease and they are lazy so they stick to that. The truth is a lot don't want to put the time into cell, but those that realise the benefits, the big companies, put the time in and take advantage. For a system that has been out for like 2 yrs basically, you would think the 360 would OWN the ps3 right now, but no, instead the ps3 is already at par, in fact about to surpass. 360 has made a short-term system, sony has made a LONG-TERM system. The first year is not going to determine it's future. And you want to talk sales?..PS2 STILL outsells 360, what does that say to you? So stop talking sales, stop talking all of that crap, it's what each system is bringing me, that each system is giving me quality. If a product needs to give me a 3 yr warranty, i dont want it, I want them to fix their product and give me back my 1 yr warranty. 1 yr warranty makes me comfortable because it tells me that they know their product is quality. Not rushed. You are being blinded my microsoft just like how they sell you Windows Vista which sucks compared to XP.

Moving on, Yes there is no console war between the 360 and ps3, the console war will be between PS3 and the next-gen xbox, the gen after 360. 360 isn't "next-gen" persay, 360 is actually just IMPROVED, from last gen. ps to ps2 was just IMPROVED from last gen, not NEXT-GEN. PS3 has brought in more disk-space, ok , in the years to come, ps3 will REALLY be pumping out next-gen games. And everyone will realise that 360 is just improved from last-gen. I mean look at halo...give me something new please?, i used to think halo was THE BEST GAME TO HAPPEN TO EARTH, and then halo 2, i felt a little cheated, especially when microsoft admits to cheating you, it hurts, but i still had faith in halo 3, halo 3 has nothing "new", just a weapon pack, a little better lighting, another map pack, and more vehicles, halo 3 will be a good game, very fun. But don't call it halo 3, just call it Halo 2 upgraded and make halo 3 NEXT-GEN so that i can love my halo.

PS3 is working on their online experience which is good already, building an entertainment system, letting us enjoy our gaming without too many add-ons etc. I dont want to hve to pay for online games and buy a new system every 2 months just to get a new chip or add a HD-DVD player blah blah blah. No, if i wanted to do that i would have just gotten a PC where you have to pay for game subscriptions etc. I want a company to give me EVERYTHING I NEED, in my system, all i need to do is go out get my games and play no extra cost to take advantage of features i bought my system to get. I already invested money in the system, why do I need to invest more to use a feature I have already bought?, by buying the system and buying the games? and headsets etc?.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents for now.

"first 360: 400 dollars..
elite with bigger harddrive: 450 dollars
halo edition 360: 400 dollars
65nm chip 360: 400 dollars
xbox live over the longterm: 200+
HD-DVD drive: 200 dollars...wasted..because HD-DVD is failing
grand total: 1450 + 200 (wasted) = 1650 dollars
realising you could have just spent 600 on a good system (ps3): priceless ROFL ROFL ROFL"

*EDIT*
if i see a car that is a "fixer uper" for 3000 and someone else selling their car for 6000 which has been a more reliable car, I will buy the 6000 car because i will be saving money in the end.

[NextGen24Gamer]

All that typing and you really just show how ignorant you are. You know very little about video game systems buddy. Your math is illogical and you annalyst is that of a child. Which you may be so please don't take offense. But I typically don't respond to jiberish such as yours. So we can agree to disagree. And for the record I disagree with every word you typed and you have no facts or links to support anything you blabbed on about. Your not on my level buddy. And this response is all you will ever get from me. I don't debate with ill informed people. Man or child.
lol......

[Jrome]

My experience is that as soon as people are old enough to know better, they don't know anything at all.- Oscar Wilde

Immaturity is the incapacity to use one's intelligence without the guidance of another.-Immanuel Kant

You degrade me because I make sense? Call me a child for having an opinion? Most of what I said didnt need links, it's experience, logic, and opinion. Freedom of speech. Not on your level? What makes you better than anyone else? You probably didn't even read what I said, you just realised that I was making sense and decided to degrade me for having an intelligent input other than insults.

Very immature.

[NextGen24Gamer]

I sent you a personal message.

And no...you don't make sense. I called you ignorant and ill informed.

And no...re read what you typed....you state things as if they are fact...not opinion. And I see very little logic or experience in your comments buddy.

I'm not better than you. But I can tell from what you say and claim that your not very knowledgable on the video game industry.

Oh, I gave you my full respect and read all of your comments. And I wasn't attempting to degrade you. I'm from NY so I can be a bit frank. And I didn't peep any intelligence from your comments buddy. Just Fanboyism. I apologize in advance if that offends you. I'm just being completely honest.

I go into further detail on the Personal Message I sent you.

What is immature is us going back and forth for the community to see. So while you can show your maturity level and respond. I'm done talking to you in the commet section. I'm bigger than that. We can continue this in personal messages.