Samsung TV LED 3D accessible on Xbox 360

4News.it: "Hyper Real 3D Engine turns any 2D signal in 3D!

According with the blog DElyMyth, Samsung has presented in Italy his specific product line for 3D. The most interesting is the confirmation of the TV series 3D 7000 LED capable of transforming any high definition signal from 2D to 3D thanks to the integrated processor Hyper Real 3D Engine.
As this demonstration was a station set up with Microsoft Xbox 360 which ran on Halo 3: ODST."

[Natsu X FairyTail]

Still on the edge about this 3D stuff man. you need them 3D tvs them 3D glasses and etc etc. What about peoeple who just got their hands on brand new HD tv's? On the other hand I'm really psyched about 3D on portable consoles like N3D because you dont need glasses!

[ipwnall]

The 3DS will be just a gimmick. True 3D, and I mean good 3D, can only be gained from a 120+hertz signal with shutter glasses.

I can't wait for true 3D on the PS3, it's going to be astounding!

[evrfighter]

eh?

I don't quite understand how this escaped everyone for the past year...There's probably a drawback or a catch.

wait for more info regarding this before you start thumping this article as fact.

[divideby0]

^ more like a 240 signal

[Qui-Gon Jim]

@ ipwnall: The 3DS is going to be true 3D if the rumors are true. it's just that the 3D will be at half the resolution (per eye) and you have to be straight in front of the screen.

@ evrfighter: The catch is that the TV "fakes" 3D with software. It basically has to guess at what the two images should look like. I don't know how well it works, but I imagine that at best it ends up looking like cardboard cutouts moving in 3D space. Or it might end up looking pretty good, but it's also not really "true" 3D.

@ divideby0: You should check specs. 3DTV standard requires 120 Hz minimum (60 Hz per eye) for the TV and 3D movies actually run at 48 Hz (compared to 24 Hz for 2D movies).

[MACADOODLE]

What is this about true 3D? The only "true 3D" is with your own eyes. Everything else is stereoscopic or simulated 3D. There is no "true 3D" TV and there never will be.

[evrfighter]

"and 3D movies actually run at 48 Hz (compared to 24 Hz for 2D movies)."

this actually explains why people have told that the 3d movie they went and saw looked weird and they couldn't explain it.

These are people who spent almost their whole lives at 24-30fps. I couldn't imagine what their reaction would be if they saw gaming in 120fps.

120fps gaming > 3d gaming

[hikayu17]

3D movies are running at 48Hz is because the frame are then divide into 2 , 1 for each eyes so when it reaches your eyes , it would still be 24Hz . 3D looks weird , even on Avatar , is because there are flickers ( wat are they called again ?) around fast moving objects .

everyone is used to high FPS . you think playing game 120FPS is superior than 3D gaming , you're an idiot . it has nothing to do with each other . 3D can be played at 240FPS , divided into 2 eyes = 120 FPS .

@MACADOODLE : yes there are true 3D tv . it was presented at CES 2010 ( or 2009 , or 2009 . forgot the exact info ) a 46" 3DTV that can produce 3d image without the need for glasses . it uses lenses and filters to produce the effect .
films and movies that are made with 3d from the start = real 3D .
software upconverted films and TV engine = fake 3D , example : clash of the titans .

[Dacapn]

Ok so here's how it works. The samsung will do a conversion and basically it will provide depth to your image, and that's it. Think of it like looking through a window.

True 3D, however, will not only provide depth, but you will also get the effect of things coming out of your screen and a much clearer picture. That's the difference.

@hiyaku17
Yes the the technology is already there to make 3D TVs without the need for glasses. The catch though is that there is only one seating position for those sets, so if you're in front of the TV, you'll see the 3D image, but the person next to you will see a double image.

[duplissi]

dont worry about it, i work at best buy and we have the 55in samsung 3d led on display with a home theater setup.... and 3d on tv is not bad as long as your watching a 3d input- it gives me a headache to watch though, and this turn any 2d into 3d well it looks like CRAP (we demo it to customers on regular satelite) so i wont be clamoring to hook my xbox up to one of these tvs to get 3d (crappy 3d)

[AAACE5]

Yeah, i'm not sold on the 3D tv's either! You still need 3D glasses to see in 3d. They have made great improvements with the tech, but it feels corny to still need glasses for it! Not to mention the fact that since Nintendo is releasing a DS they you don't need 3d glasses for makes me believe the next versions of TV's will incorporate that same tech as well.

To those below who still want to discredit this. The transition from 2d to 3d gaming came with games like Mario 64. 3D means 3rd dimension! Games are created in a 3d environment but formatted to fit on non 3d tv's. Converting a game back to it's natural form isn't that hard!

You guys really are delusional! Quit drinking the koolaid... it's bad for you!

[evrfighter]

"3D can be played at 240FPS , divided into 2 eyes = 120 FPS . "

in what generation will HDTV's come out that are true 240hz. The 120hz and 240hz that are released now aren't true 120/240hz they are basically a bunch of 60hz panels slapped together. Simulating 120/240hz and actually playing 120/240hz are two completely different things. Again I'll say it

Hardly anyone here has seen how fluid 120hz gaming is. because of the fps advantage 120fps gaming gives me. I will have a HUGE advantage over someone playing at 60fps in 3d.

A good player playing in 120fps will DECIMATE a good player playing in 3d because of this advantage.

so again

120fps gaming > 3d gaming.

[ChrisW]

I believe True 3D is possible. The only problem is, is that we'll have to find a way to create floating holographic images and display them in some sort of quasi-Holodeck. Then this will be considered as "True 3D."

I know this sounds cheesy, but many things that were impossible years back are now possible. Just... maybe not in our lifetime for this one.

[Dacapn]

I don't think you know what you're talking about. The TVs out today do in fact have 120 and 240Hz processors built in, specifically the Sony and Samsung TVs. The LG, Toshiba, and off-brand sets (at least 09 and back) basically emulated the "120/240Hz effect" without having an actual 120/240Hz processor built in, which helped cut costs and keep those sets at a lower price. What that means is that if there was actually any content out with that high of a refresh rate, the Sony and Samsung panels would be able to display a picture for you.

Let me also clarify the deal with the glasses. Like I said before, the technology is already here with TVs that do not require glasses to see 3D, but again, the seating position is limited. You will be seeing these TVs coming out this year, and they will be premium models. They will primarily be used in dedicated theater rooms and professional settings. I don't think panasonic will be releasing these TVs in the states, and I can't speak for the other manufacturers.

Might as well add this in while I'm at it. For those that think 3D gaming is a gimmick, you are severely uniformed. Most people seem to think 3D gaming will be the same as it is now but with depth. No. Sony and Nintendo (and Microsoft if they can figure out what their stance is with 3D and the 360) are poised to absolutely destroy the way games are played. We're talking peaking your head around a corner to fire a shot, and the screen adjusting accordingly. It's gonna be nuts.

[JoelR]

http://www.siggraph.org/s20...

http://www.physorg.com/news...

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

This is like upscaled vs native HD res. What you see here is 2d upscaled to 3d while the PS3 does NATIVE 3d rendering. There's a difference.

[Dacapn]

Doesn't that mean Japan will have to lift the ban on plasmas to use that tech? XD

[vhero]

So now it is possible on 360 however the bad news is only on a few TV's it's also available on PS2/xbox/wii technically as they are all HD capable. The only problem obviously is you would have to get a samsung TV you really think MS can pitch the Get 3D on 360 only if you get a samsung TV when Sony do get 3D on PS3 with ANY 3D TV? Which you think is gonna win here?? Great idea though for those who really want 3D on 360.

[evrfighter]

I don't understand why you think 120/240hz HDTV's let's you see your games in 120fps. They don't.

The only systems capable of 120fps gaming is the pc and not on one of those HDTV's because it would create input lag at 120/240hz.

There's nothing on the console or blu-ray that will let you see at 120fps. Unless you've game on a pc capable of 120fps on a 120hz pc monitor. You havn't seen 120fps gaming period.

so again

120fps gaming > 3d gaming.

[xer0]

I think it's great that Xbox users can experience the magic of 3D in the next 6 months to a year, but with a lot of homes - still without HDTVs... isn't it early to start marketing 3DTV?

Personally - I think 3D is all hype and little substance.

To truly benefit from a 3D TV - you would need to purchase a 42 inch screen at minimum... if your sitting 3 meters away from your screen.

As a PS3 owner - I can get a 42/52inch screen at 120Hz or greater right now... and let the PS3 or my nVidia Geforce handle all the 3D work.

[duplissi]

hey, its not "magic" it looks like crap if the source is not 3d, ive seen it.

[buckeyestar]

Any 2D signal can be converted bynthe TV into a 3D signal? Riiiiight, I call bs on that. Reminds me of the claims in the early days of blu-ray when some manufacturerers were claiming that DVDs could be unconverted to 1080p that would rival the true HD of blu-ray.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I can see the difference. Upconverting basically just makes it look not as bad.

I think you're right, though. The 3D done in software will be just okay compared to true 3D.

[legendkilla]

its doesn't make a good viewing experience with the up-scaled 3D, its better with the 3D bluray monster vs aliens

[thehitman]

is probably a 240Hz TV which probably cost double the amount of a 120 dont think any1 wants to pay that much for a 3D experience. 2 years this will probably sell better.

[duplissi]

thats exactly what it is. oh and i will say it again, if the source is not 3d then it looks like crap.

[evilmonkey501]

Movies and games that are designed for 3d have a much better effect though than those that are just processed. A good analogy would be having your receiver turn a 2 channel signal into 7.1 surround sound. You have sound coming out of all the speakers, but its not the same as
dts or prologic surround.

I own a 3d tv.

[LevDog]

My thing is. Are you really gonna wear glasses every single time you play games or watch tv? I mean really? Im pumped for 3D dont get me wrong, but seriously.. You have 8 friends over, and 5 glasses.. Then what do you do? I mean the start for glasses are like 120 a pop.. THATS A CRAP LOAD of money just for a family of 4 to watch 3D. Then you have to not break them, make sure not to lose them..

Maybe Im bitter cause I just bought a 55" Samsung 240 LED 8 Series and the 3D ones came out a month later and its only 200 more than my TV HAHAHA.. But seriously..

I thought about it.. NO tv networks currently have 3D programing, PS3 is still waiting for the 3D firmware release, So really.. How logical is it to have 3D and is it worth it

[wpggamer]

I don't see this thing going very far. The glasses are 200 each, so what are you going to do for your friends when they come by? And frankly, 3D is great in the theater because of the size of the screen. To get a good effect, it has to cover a significant amount of your field of view. Otherwise, it's just tacky. I'm passing on this. Something better will be out soon enough.

[The real killer]

I'm happy i do not own a crap Samsung.
Those TV are really crap compared like Sony/Phillips and Panasonic.

[jalen247]

I am glad Sony is focusing on True HD 3D with its Blu-ray spec updates.

I didn't purchase a HD console to have SD simulated 3D.

[Hideo_Kojima]

Of course there will be true 3D TVs in the future how could you possible say there wont when we've already see 3D holograms?

[BBAM]

this of course is Samsung trying to appeal to more audiences. Which makes sense seeing how they've got a business to uphold. However the image won't be true 3D like on the ps3, where the 3D will be stereoscopic and (in theory) run at 120fps. The TV can't recreate this, only at best judge distances and create the corresponding image.
Only time will tell of how well this tech measures against the tech sony will be offering.

[keysy420]

that doesnt mean that the game is running in 3d like sony is saying. your t.v upscaliing stuff to 3d isnt that good havent you seen a 3d t.v yet the stuff they are running looks like crap because they werent made in 3d. wait til avatar comes on 3d then tell me the difference

[evilmonkey501]

Its supposed to come out November 2010. cant wait.

[ImmortalLegend]

3D is nothing but a gimmick to me and I'm not convinced to get anything 3D at all.

[Shendow]

Sony is the only one doing true 3D on a gaming system, Nintendo 3DS is notthing more then what we seen in Killzone 2's loading screens.

It is a awesome idea but not all games would work well by holding the 3DS sideways, true 3D for gaming is the picture coming at you an not using red an blue glasses.

So 3DS isn't really 3D but half way their.

[dkgshiz]

Stupid.

[chasegarcia]

I just saw 3d today with red and blue glasses that look like they cost $1. It was awesome. The cost of 3d is not going to be an issue. Its the experience. Do most people enjoy 3d? If so 3d is here to stay.

[BBAM]

you are aware the red and cyan glasses are the old tech right? The 3D tech coming into place this year is completely different, and much better

[mindedone]

Why are you guys using the unit of measurement, Hz, to describe frames per second? Films don't run at 24Hz, they run at 24fps.

[JoelR]

because it is directly related
the hz is the refresh rate of the screen per second and the fps is the number of images possible in a second

thus HZ is the upper limit on the number of fps
thus:

Television with a 60hz refresh rate represents complete reconstruction of the screen image 60 times every second. As a result, this also means that each video frame (in a 30 frame per second signal) is repeated twice every 60th of a second.

If you have a TV with a 120hz refresh rate that is 1080p/24 compatible (1920 pixels across the screen vs 1080 pixels down the screen, with a 24 frame per second rate). The TV ends up displaying 24 separate frames every second, but repeats each frame according to the refresh rate of the TV. In the case of 120hz each frame would be displayed 5 times within each 24th of a second

[Dacapn]

Hertz is the measurement of cycles per second. The word is interchangeable. FPS just specifies that you're talking about frames.

Edit: JoelR you beat me to it lol. 120Hz at 24fps looks terrible though. Movies lose their "film-like look" when it's on.

[psycho360]

@dacapan "120Hz at 24fps looks terrible though. Movies lose their "film-like look" when it's on. "

You're right, i have pana 50" 1080p plasma and if i enable 24p option it makes every video look like a soap opera. But i got used to it now.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

they make you believe you need a new tv set for 3D... when I was watching 3D movies/shows on my tube tv in the 90's, s#!t's a huge joke! and the price of custom marketed 3D glasses? it's bulls#!t

I also find it funny that PS3's are capable of 3D through a system update, but they have 3D specific Blu-Ray players now... wtf... isn't the thing for blu-ray players now to have internet access? why wouldn't they just get a player update as well that would make it capable?

I swear these blind consumers that buy everything/anything just really drive me nuts haha!

[Dacapn]

Unless you're running a pioneer elite and some $2000+ blu ray player, you should literally ignore every other player except the PS3, or you will be buying a new one every year to keep up with how fast technology is advancing. The system is pretty much the Model T of media hardware going forward. Sony wasn't kidding when they said "futureproof"

[BBAM]

mean that the new blu-ray players need to be HDMI 1.4 compatable to allow for dual streaming of 1080p images to allow for 3D.
The firmware for PS3 will somehow allow the PS3 to mimick this while only using HDMI 1.3

[JustTheFactsMr]

1.3 has enough bandwidth but the frame packing hadn't been implemented at that point. The PS3 will do the frame packing using the 1.4 protocols over 1.3. So it will allow 3D.

360 is HDMI 1.2 and doesn't even have the bandwidth so no sense it the 360 handling the frame packing to start with. Faked 3D is it. Or every game mfg writing special code for every TV out there. IOW ain't gonna happen.