Sony Will Win The Marathon

James Joell-Ireland from wedotech.net writes "If we were to jump back to 2006 and discuss the system life cycles of that of the Playstation 3, Wii & Xbox 360, I am very sure many of us wouldn't be stating that either company were going to hang around in the marketplace with the same system, ten years on. Jump forward to November 2008 and the world's economical outlook took a massive plunge and since then Sony's 10 year support ethos has thrown them into a leading position in the marketplace. Sony have been running a marathon and it looks as though they have been conserving their energy for 2011. Conserving their energy is a great analogy as Nintendo are now starting to prove that love for their console is dwindling and with failed market launches such as the Wii Motion Plus, it appears that the Wii is becoming yet again a dumping ground for shovel ware and half-assed titles. With Nintendo running out of breath after leading the race after 800 metres, it's now became a two man race for gold."

[cry from the sky]

good for them. ;)

[LordMarius]

idk if they will pass the Wii, but Im sure it will be a close race for #1. One thing I know for sure, the first to stop producing/supporting their console will loose the race

[-Alpha]

That is far from true. Nintendo seems closest to stopping first but that doesn't mean they lose the generation (regardless of casual exist, they are still people who buy games). They've by and far been the most successful.

Nintendo has won plain and simple. This nonsense of winning a race is very vague. And you have to be kidding if you think Sony will come "Close to #1". They have yet to pass Microsoft overall and you expect them to come anywhere close to Wii?

Please, it's over. Unless Sony starts selling their console in Cheerio boxes they aren't going to "win" in terms of sales or profits.
Games is likely but games are always getting announced, proclaimed, promised, etc. Not to mention that a library of games is always dependent on the gamers who enjoy them.

This article tries to appeal to Sony's future of Motion control and 3D. Are people forgetting MOVE is optional and NOT going to be pushed like Natal will? I mean seriously, even if PS3 is supported for ten years the generation moves on as soon as a new console is remotely introduced. We have yet to see how OnLive will affect the generation or how powerful Natal's marketing will affect the market.

The only person that wins is supposed to be the gamer. If articles like this are trying to make Sony the predicted winner then they most certainly have to appeal to what Sony considers winning and that's being successful. Sorry, but Sony wont be the most successful console this generation. They've been proven to have lost millions in making the PS3, they lost more selling them, and only now are they making profits off the console itself. MS started better but hardware issues cost them millions. Nintendo's Wii is the ONLY console to have some of the smoothest and widest amount of success. They have won the marathon.

[Lifendz]

(of MS and Sony) to release their next console will lose the current console war. MS only saw the short term advantages of releasing their console a year before Sony. Rushing the hardware out the gate resulted in the hardware problems, the desire to be cheaper resulting in some skus lacking a hdd which is only a detriment to devs, and by rushing out to beat Sony their limited to DVD9 and not a larger format.

Now in the short term, all that paid off. But how much longer can they try to compete with the PS3 before they have to release their next console? It'll be interesting to see.

[alphakennybody]

jezz, for every little positive feedback sony gets, you always find ways to spin it into something of a negative with a wall of text. Don't you get tired of doing it. This generation is far from over and this is a marathon and from what we see right now Sony is gaining ground everytwhere. Like the ole'saying goes "slowly but surely"

edit @ alpha below
Like in the article says, if you're talking about a short sprint yes Big N has won the race. but Sony, they consider it a marathon( 10 year plan)and from what I'm reading on the web Sony is in the right track. Like I said this gen is far from over and the one jumping into the shark is you for saying Big N has won already.

[mittwaffen]

Amen, spoken unbiased words once again.

People who rate Negative on him please leave N4G and go suk a fat slim covered Kotick dik!

Winning would just be the most successful (profits). Meaning sony most likely in third, they lose so much money on the PS3, M$ is turning good profits, Nintendo has always been.

N - 1
MS - 2
S - 3

When it comes to profits from the systems/games. And it comes down to one thing; the cost of the system. Xbox lost because of price and a year late. Sony is in MS shoes from last gen roughly speaking.

[Hank Hill]

Don't be so sure of that. Just like with the PS1 and PS2, Sony has a 10 year life span for the PS3 with at least 10 million consoles sold a year so at ten years that will put the PS3 over 100 million just like the PS1 and PS2. The guy above you was right when he said who ever stops production first will finish in last place. This gen isn't over so Nintendo didn't win yet. They are destroying the competition now but it's not over yet. I'm sure Microsoft will cut out early and drop support for the 360 to get a jump on the next gen again so they will not win the war.

[presto717]

Microsoft will have to be content with the silver medal. They started out sprinting but now they are exhausted and are crawling while sony is starting to pick up speed.

[-Alpha]

I have no problem with positive news, but when if I find that it says something incorrect I will point it out. Just because Sony is gaining ground doesn't mean they will instantly win. They have to make up for the years that they lost, and in that time Wii has dominated. Slowly but surely? Did that work last gen when PS2 dominated? Yes, the PS3 is doing great but don't jump the shark and assume it will overtake Nintendo within four years.

And Hank, if the Wii were to back out now how do you know that Sony PS3 will surpass or come close to them?

The PS3 is not the PS2 or PSOne. Sony didn't start off with that same level of success. They were kicked off and had to climb back up to the top, and that's what they are doing now. Wii started off strongest and is still going strong. If you read the article the author tries to justify Sony's reign with Move and 3D.

Move is optional. Natal on the other hand is being pushed more mainstream. If the article is trying to say Sony will win then they appeal to Sony's perception of winning: sales, profits, etc.

And in none of that has Sony yet, or is likely, to beat the highest standard of this generation: the one Wii has set.

If the winner is whoever sells most then Nintendo has won and it's really ignorant to think Sony will beat them. PS3 released 2006. It's 2010 now. In 6 years do you sincerely believe that Sony will miraculously increase sales so much so that they will beat Wii when a) Nintendo is still selling Wii well
b) Sony still hasn't beat Microsoft

@Godmars

You have demonstrated my point on how "winning" has many interpretations. By your argument GAMERS are the one who are winning. If SONY will win the marathon then they have to do the BEST in sales and profits. Gamers are the real winners, but this article tries to favor Sony as the corporation to win as a company. So which is it people? What does winning mean? Because Hank says its about whoever sells the most, and Godmars is arguing games.

[mittwaffen]

They wont be pulling profits off their systems for a while. Cost of blu-ray is stil high, the cell isnt highly produced and isnt cheap.

You people say its so high tech this and that, it all comes at a high cost, that will less than likely be much further reduced from the slim pricing in the coming years.

You have Nintendo who can make a dollar off a penny, MS who is coming out with the slim to drastically reduce manufacturing costs.
Sony already did their bit with the slim @ 299.

Xbox slim could be <150 if the screen shot I saw was real (the cost to actually make it) they really streamlined the xbox to save money.
You need to think without the fanboy backing it.

Logically, in todays economy where alot of people are broke would be the cheapest option for the kids, gifts or even themselves. The cheaper unit will win; this isnt anything new though.
Watch how it unfolds, follow me or add me so when Next gen comes out you can tell me differently from what i've been saying.

[Godmars290]

How has Nintendo won anything when not only their own games but 3rd party publishers have failed to capitalize on the Wii's now faltering momentum? The Wiimote hasn't opened new gaming generas and customers, its just hooked soccer moms who are still going to be fiddling with balance boards after the Wii2 been announced.

Edit:
Sony hasn't caught up to MS. More to the point consumers in general haven't realized how bad an overall deal the 360 represents. Sony, or rather "Not so Crazy Ken Kutaragi," wanted to deliver an all around media hub. MS copied that poorly while Nintendo have been focused as they've always been, on making a game system. The Wii wont win this console gen because its not a movie or music player, which is why the PS2 was and remains the most notable console.

Aside from the Dreamcast, but only because it was beaten that badly.

It wasn't the game that brought the Wii to public attention, it was waggle. It wasn't Modern Warfare 2 that put the 360 in the spotlight, it was Netflix. The PS2 kicked general @$$ because it was the cheapest DVD player of its time just as VHS needed to be replaced, something which was far from the case with the PS3 and BR. That's why it fell on its face, but also why its coming back now.

Its not going to be game or games that win this generation, the iPhone says that much, its going to be media.

[Sunny_D]

I don't care if Sony is in 1 billionth place for all I care. As long as they are supporting their console with kick@ss games and other services, then I'm good.

[Hank Hill]

Sony has proven every time to produce 10 year life span consoles. If Nintendo bows out early then Sony will pass them. The PS3 is at about 35 million in 3 1/2 years and that's on pace to hit over 100 million in 10 years like the PS1 and PS2. We also know that Sony don't drop support for their current console when they release they new one unlike Nintendo and Microsoft. Just look at how the PS2 is STILL selling.

[LordMarius]

lol, more wall of text no one will read or care about
the winner has always been who sells the most consoles stop trying to spin it

Edit:
"We have even yet to see a PRICE drop for the Wii, and when that happens the Wii will sell even more."

Ok now I know that you have no idea what you are talking about

[-Alpha]

I'm sorry that you can't bother to have a proper conversation Marius. You've never bothered to have a discussion anyway. Is a wall of text too hard for you to read? I'm not spinning anything: I'm asking for a proper definition of what it means to win. Godsmars attacked the lack of games on Wii. If winner is most consoles sold, then

a) don't say sales matter
b) make sure that your statement is realistic
c) Sales really DONT matter, because since sales is what the company cares about then they really care about profits. Sales =/= profits. MS and Sony have lost a lot in repairs and failing to reach break-even points. Nintendo hasn't had that problem

It's a very unrealistic assumption that PS3 will outsell Wii. In order to believe that numerous factors have to just right: Microsoft has to lose out, and the Wii has to stop selling, even though Nintendo is still selling it well.

We have even yet to see a PRICE drop for the Wii, and when that happens the Wii will sell even more. It's very unrealistic to think that, based on this article, Sony will win just because it has Move and 3D. Natal is by far a more marketable product that will receive much more media attention. Move is aimed at the hardcore gamer, yet this article expects it to be something that makes Sony win the generation.

Edit: Hill, another price drop will happen if Nintendo feels threatened. The fact is that the Wii continues to push ahead and they have a better position to keep that lead.

@mike, nobody is talking about Microsoft: yeah, MS is just as in a poor position in terms of profit as Sony in comparison to Nintendo. They will never pass Nintendo either. Yet this article makes the claim that Sony is going to win.

Sales actually don't matter like Marius believes. Sales only matter because they make profits, but profits have been lost on selling PS3s and fixing 360 hardware. Nintendo has never had that problem this generation.

[Information Minister]

@ mittwaffen - You can't really compare last gen to the current one, not even "roughly speaking". Or rather you can, but you'd have to neglect the fact that the PS3 sold more than the original Xbox in half the time, and the gap between 360/PS3 sits at 5-6 million versus 110-115 million for the Xbox/PS2.

So no, Sony is not "in MS shoes from last gen". Can you even provide us with a link to back up your claims about production costs and profitability, or are you just pulling numbers out of thin air?

[Hank Hill]

"We have even yet to see a PRICE drop for the Wii"

Uh, the Wii dropped from $249 to $199 when the PS3 Slim came out and the Xbox Elite dropped to $399. Where have you been?

[mikeslemonade]

If you go by success in terms of profit Microsoft still loses. Here are 4 reasons why:
1. They buy out for exclusives
2. They advertise the most in commercials and also in public
3. The RRoD cost money
4. They don't make much money from 3rd party games since most of the profit earned is first party. One Madden 10 copy sold on 360 is $1 for Microsoft where as Halo 3 is like $15-$20 for Microsoft. It's a rough estimate but essentially you make your money from 1st party and Microsoft only has 2 or 3 real 1st party studios.

Microsoft has spent more money this generation. GTA4, Japanese exclusive RPGs, RRoD, every other game they made multiplatform has more than offset what Sony has spent. And also when you talk about Sony you must include PSP and PS2. With the success of PS2 they're still making money from that.

The Wii may be more successful this generation but next generation many pissed off hardcore gamers will not buy it. Also what does Nintendo do next generation because Sony and Microsoft has motion controller to? Nintendo can't compete they aren't a big enough company to make billion dollar investments. Nintendo likes to turn profit on a system at launch which is not possible next generation.

[The Lazy One]

Despite a lot of third party games selling poorly on the wii (they don't as long as you release games that favor the wii audience. The wii had 5 games in teh top 20 and DS 4 last npd), Nintendo is still making the most money off games this generation by a long shot. The PS3 would have to double it's lifetime sales and then some to catch the wii. The fact that microsoft and PS3 are both trying to break into nintendo's market is a testament to how successful nintendo was this generation.

And I wouldn't call continuing to run past the finish line of the marathon when everybody else starts running a different race winning the marathon.

[ps3ftwin]

The obvious winner is the company that can keep the share holders happy.

Judging by that i would place Nintendo in top position.

Microsoft and Sony both seem to be doing bad. Last i read Microsoft was 3 billion in losses, Sony was at 6 billion.

Judging by their current profits it doesnt seem like this money will be recovered by the end of this gen (which might be 3-4years more)

Even if they do recover they will need to get set to make more losses for next gen consoles.

Overall it doesnt look pretty for Microsoft or Sony.

[Godmars290]

No counting the PS2 you mean :p

Actually, since we are talking about a marathon not a race, then what's the point arguing about a conclusion when we're still in the middle of it?

Though I would like to know, while the PS3 and 360 are showing 2nd winds, what does the Wii have left. Does it have the momentum to reach 100+ million sales, or will the PS3 copy the PS1 and PS2? I think that's where the author got the notion of it winning: by prior example.

[Raf1k1]

I'm sure someone from Sony already mentioned that they were running a marathon not a sprint race.

[t850]

@PS3FTW

Agreed.

Though i do feel Microsoft doesnt really care about the console war. Its more like they are in it to hurt Sony.

Microsofts golden goose is Windows. Imagine what would have happened had Microsoft not entered the console war.

Sony would have conquered the Living room by now, they probably would have been a good position by now to have more people shift to linux as a platform instead of Windows(that would have been a low blow to Microsoft).

If Microsofts objective was to hurt Sony then i would say they have accomplished this to a good extent:

They probably have taken a good share of gamers from Sony,
They have caused Sony to take tremendous losses this gen,
Set them back from taking the living room,
Foiled their plans of making linux a windows replacement.

Sony probably wont make the money back in time for the next console 6Billion in the red is a huge figure, even if they recover part of it they will make further losses by the time next gen consoles are to be released.

Imo Microsoft is a whale they really dont care if they lost some money on the Xbox as long as they protected windows as being a monopoly.

[Godmars290]

True, and yet MS went to such effort while reaping no real benefit to themselves much less their costumers.

A long time age when Sony did the same to Nintendo we got the PS1 and former Nintendo franchises as they were never shown before. This time around there's only a question of lesser quality for multiplatform titles.

[eagle21]

Sony can hit 100M, but Nintendo can easily hit 130-140M.

And if some can't understand how Nintendo will be near 90M before next spring, take the fanboy goggles off. :)

Nintendo won this gen and Sony will beat Microsoft. End of discussion.

[t850]

@Godmars

While i agree people who have followed Microsoft have been milked badly. Microsofts done nothing but bad for the gaming industry this gen.

Microsoft as a company had a goal that was to hurt sony, so that they could protect their real cash cow (Windows).

Hence i think they did benefit for themselves, had sony taken over the living room, Sony could have leveraged that to later cause people to shift to Linux via PS3 (which eventually could have hurt Microsoft as that could have led to NON gamers shift from Windows to Linux on the PC).

On Microsofts part this operation is a success, if they can hurt Sony for 1 more generation it will be a bad blow to Sony(who already is in big losses with this gen).

[mikeslemonade]

360 peaks at 60 million. They have America, hardly an audience in Europe, and no footprint in Japan. As successful as the PS2 was they sold around 45-50 million in AMerica so the 360 at 60 million worldwide is their peak. PS3 continues to grow in every territory where as 360 has plateaued in Europe and in Japan.

Nintendo is done after this generation. They're going to make a "N64" next generation. SNES was successful but with "N64" they tried to innovate further with that controller but lost.

[t850]

@mikeslemonade

PS2 sold very well in the sub continent region. That region is packed with people. Over half the worlds popultion lays there (shared between India, Pakistan, China).

PS2 sold so well there due to piracy being rampant in those regions. PS3 doesnt sell so well in those regions due to it being protected from piracy. That should effect sales of the PS3 worldwide.

However Sony is better of without that sale. Since had the PS3 been hacked by now, those people would have pirated games anyways.

[infamousinfolite]

Tell me something I don't know! (hehe)

[DarkTower805]

As far as I'm concerned, the race is between the 360 and PS3. The Wii is a totally different product, with a totally different market, with totally different games.

It's like saying, "Which company will sell more bikes, Yamaha, Harley Davidson, or Trek?" Well just because Trek (a mountain bike) has 2 wheels like the others doesn't mean they deserve to be in the same conversation, right?

[infamousinfolite]

Time to learn the basics:

The Wii is a.... Console? Right.

And we are in a.... Console war? Correct.

So based on what we learn today the wii is a console we are in a console war which the means the wii.... shouldn't be considered in the 'console' war?!

[chanto23]

you are the most disguised troll i've seen in this site, you always try to push down our throats how "unbiased" you think you are with your walls of text but the truth is you are a Sony hater, and as soon as something extremely positive is said about PS3 you jump in with some "rational" explanations to spin whatever positive is being said. Go back to your 360 which you conveniently say you bought just recently and play your "GoTY" games Reach and Alan Wake. The article never said SONY IS WINNING NOW!!!!, it says that on the LONG RUN they will come out on top.

Who wins a CONSOLE WAR you ask???

WHATEVER COMPANY GETS THEIR CONSOLE INTO THE MOST LIVING ROOMS ACROSS THE WORLD. Plain and Simple.

You can't measure which console has the best games, because that's subjective, a good game for me might be a POS to you.

Who makes the most profit?? Who knows only each company accountant knows. manufacture gets cheaper, company makes deals, get bonuses etc etc

Right know Nintendo is #1, Xbox #2, PS3 #3, but if for example Microsoft decides to come with a new console next year and consequently the 360 sales dry up, allowing the PS3 to catch and pass them then the PS3 will take 2nd place in this generation even if the next generation already started.

CAPISH???

And how "smart" of you to say that the generation is over as soon as a new console comes out. Not even the 25% of all gaming market share will buy a new console within the first few years of being released.

A GENERATION IS OVER WHEN ALL THE RESPECTIVE SYSTEMS FROM THAT GENERATION GET CANNED AND ALL THE NUMBERS ARE TALLIED.

[HolyOrangeCows]

The Playstation division has been in the black (meaning "profitable", kids) for quite some time now.
Come meet us in the present. It's 2010 now.

[Neo604]

How many times we've have been through this?
Stop compare Kia to BMW. Damn lastgen kids.

[mittwaffen]

Yes sony is in MS shoes, they released their console a year late, they have better tech to compensate.

Fanboys need to think more like AlphaMale, hes realistic with his thinking; stupid fanboys.

[mikeslemonade]

If you ask me Alpha Male is actually really childish. All he talks about is fairness. Life isn't fair. He always types walls of text to exercise his freedom of speech. He's too childish to realize most people aren't going to read that and most people don't care enough. He comes on N4G trying to make it more "gamer friendly" instead of being fanboy infested, and that is childish because he isn't going to change anything when no one is listening.

He isn't Rosa Parks sitting down in a bus making a stance. He comes in here trying to scientifically define everything. There's a difference in being smart and sounding smart. He is being the latter.

[kunit22c]

When choosing who wins the console war you treat it like reviewing a game you don't just look at one thing, for example sales. The Wii is obviously leading in sales and the PS3 is leading in games and features, and if you ask me it is actually kind of close between Sony and Nintendo, but I also agree with whoever caves first and makes a new console looses but i'm pretty sure that will be Microsoft.... again. Also I don't consider the 360 even in the console war because of RROD, I don't think a system with such a big flaw should even be considered anymore, Even though the 360 beats the Wii in more features and games I still think the Wii beats it because it is more reliable and has more sales, and lets not forget that the Wii also has good games. I also don't consider the 360 because the PS3 beats it in best value for your money, more features and more games. So here are the 2 outcomes.
1.Sony
2.Nintendo
3.Microsoft

1. Nintendo
2. Sony
3. Microsoft

and yes I also realize that this war is quite a ways from over but I dont see Microsoft fixing the 360's flaws or the 360 passing the PS3 in exclusives because Microsoft has very few first party studios and Sony has alot of them, and the PS3's growing install base is too big for third party devs to ignore anymore. Also I'm betting on the first outcome I posted because I'm noticing Wii sales are slowing as PS3 sales are growing.

[Moentjers]

MS sells
1 console
+ n games
+ 1 hdd
+ n years Live subscription
------
= total gain MS

Sony sells
1 console
+ 1 hdtv (ok ok, maybe not from Sony)
+ n games
+ n blu ray movies (for many many years to come)
------
= total gain Sony

[Smacktard]

>Sony thrown into a leading market position
>3rd place out of 3 major competitors
>they were first before this gen (if going on sales alone)
>lolwut

Pull up your pants, article, as well as 98% of the users of N4G. Your fanboy is showing.

[Nicaragua]

A lot of people on here accusing Alpha-male of being anti-sony or biased,I don't think thats the case at all.

I just think he is a patronising little arse who loves the sound (in his head) of his ridiculously long wall of text comments.

Alpha - your attenpts at making yourself sound intelligent dont work, condense the points that you want to make into decent bitesized chunks. If you want to have massive 15 minute to and fro arguments then go join the college debating society because im pretty sure everyone here is sick of your BS - I certainly am.

[insomnium]

Just look at the prices of these consoles.

Wii Sports pack. Price 197,9€.

Xbox 360 Elite + 4 games (ODST, Forza 3, Lego Batban and Pure). Price 244,9€.

PS3 Slim 120 GB. Price 299,9€.

Don't you people have any sense? Come back to this topic after 5-7 years after seeing what happened when the PS3 was available with a 120€-200€ pricetag for a couple of years. They are almost giving the x360 away here and the Wii is at half the price of a PS3.

Everyone wants a PS3. This is the truth right? If the price was 50€ what do you people think would happen saleswise? The price isn't 50€ now and probably will never be but once it hits the sweet price of 200€ or below there will be a landslide of new customers lining up to get one. EVERYONE wants a PS3. There is no way to say differently. It has the games and BD. The PS3 still costs almost as much the PS1 and PS2 did when they LAUNCHED.

[N4g_null]

Wow this is fun. Ok Sony is running a race, yet they are about to be lapped. The wii is at 70 million now. PC graphics are going to keep getting better. I mean seriously you all got a PS3 after 5 years of PS2 because you wanted better graphics. Basically your whole fanbase will upgrade with in a year or two or when sony stops making sequels.

t850 is right... MS got serious when SONY claimed they where going to make a better OS than MS LOL. I remember that day and I saw like hellz to the yeah! Then we got the PS3 and I was like WTF!? is this....
Anyway MS is not done with SONY. I wouldn't be surprise if MS is behind all the other OS hacking LOL Man don't you just love a good conspiracy.

Well any way Why don't you guys buy some damn games already PS3 fans? I mean when the PS3 sits at 100 million and uncharted 2 is still at it's current numbers the industry will have a nice chuckle.

I mean the neo geo "won" tthe same way basically...lol

The whole console war thing is getting boring... bring on next gen!

Also you do realize that the ps2 has been out for 10 years are you really looking forward to that hell most of you can not even stand wii games. When the new systems hit you will see differences in polygon counts controls, etc... So even with the PS2 being out 10 years most of it's top games can not even out sell the wii right now. What is funny also is the wii is a GC also, in fact most early engine wii games where GC games... so in an essence the GC will win last gen also. Hell since you all say it's two GC duck taped together then it has already won 70 million*2+GC 21million = 160 LOL Now isn't this fun?
I think nintendo target last gen was 50 million GC also, man did they f that up, sorta like how sony is doing.
What is eerier is you all say your old N64 fans right will here is what that system sold...
Nintendo 64 – 32.93 million (Japan: 5.54 million, the Americas: 20.63 million, other: 6.75 million as of 31 March 2005)
Wouldn't be crazy if the PS3 sales go cold in the mid 40s.... I know if another HD format comes out some thing tells me it official over for the ps3, hey but it beat blu ray right! Well it beat net flix though?

Well that was fun... got any more bizarro articles?

[NateNater]

Of course Sony will win in the long run. They build consoles that are meant to last and support them for as long as people want them to be supported. For example, look at how strong the PS2 still sells and it's been over 10 years since its release.

[-Alpha]

What exactly constitutes as winning?

-Whoever has the longest cycle?
-Whoever sells the most in the end?
-Whoever makes the most profit?
-Whoever makes the most games?
-Whoever makes the best games?

Because Sony has not sold the most, and they will never catch up to Nintendo.

Sony has not made the most profit, and they wont.

Sony may or may not make the most games in the end.

The best games are completely subjective.

I am getting tired of this where Sony is constantly getting praised as the Future King of Win. Nobody knows what will happen, so let's just wait and enjoy what we have coming now.

@Sidar

That's the most realistic approach that nobody considers.

[ChickeyCantor]

But then again, once the new generation begins, the old ones will slowly fall back.
Even if the Ps3 is able to sell for the next 10 years, keep in mind that developers also go forward with the new generation.

Its great for sony but how many PS2 games are still developed by big game developers?

edit:
While its great that the Ps2 is still selling, anyone could figure out that Sony wants the focus on the Ps3 and not PS2.
Sony sure wants those Ps2 buyers to buy a Ps3.

So is it even healthy for a product to go on that long?

[Hank Hill]

"-Whoever sells the most in the end?"

BINGO! You said yourself that Nintendo has already won so what are you basing that on? Sales, right?

[baum]

"Sony has not made the most profit, and they wont."

You're asserting they won't, as if you know the future. And since you know the future, can you tell me who's going to win the world cup in advance? Blu-ray was victorious thanks to PS3, so you have to factor all of Blu-ray's profits in the future, and that includes sales of HDTV thanks to Blu-ray. So, if you at least want to prove that Sony WON'T make as much money as Nintendo, then please make a reasonable model of all the implications of Blu-ray winning and PS3's install base in comparison to Nintendo's, otherwise your argument is invalid.

Even if "best games" is a subjective label, it is a fact that PS3 has almost everything the 360 and PC have to offer, and yet has the most exclusive content as far as full-fledged games go in the timeframe of this generation; it also costs nothing to play online. It's also true that Wii has garnered the worst reviewed for everything it gets except first party games, i.e. there's no quality control so a serious gamer would only get value from first party exclusives and very few third party exclusives, unlike next-gen consoles and PC which have tons of good games not available on Wii. If anyone was a serious gamer and not a fanboy and wanted to experience as much quality content as possible, then the PS3 is the best choice in case you have to buy a single console. 360 and PC wouldn't be bad second choices for a single platform to own, but 360 has too high of a failure rate, costs to play online, and doesn't have as many exclusives, let alone as many good ones; most of its games are guaranteed to be available on PC and/or PS3; and as for PC, while its games are (or were) cheaper, and it's also free to play online, it's a hassle to have a fully compatible rig, to get your pc connected to your TV, etcetera, i.e. a PC is more expensive and not as easy to use as a console. "Casuals" may opt for a Wii given its social appeal, but serious gamers are better off with just a PS3, unless they want a second console for Wii's few good exclusives.

[mrv321]

I think Sony has made quite a bit of money off the PS3 indirectly, they ended the format war, started HD, and soon 3D all thanks to the PS3. Imagine if Sony made the PS3 more like the 360, they wouldn't have sold the most blu-rays, HD wouldn't be as popular so less TV sales for them.

[Hank Hill]

"I am getting tired of this where Sony is constantly getting praised as the Future King of Win. Nobody knows what will happen,"

But yet you say this:

"Sony has not sold the most, and they will never catch up to Nintendo."
"Sony has not made the most profit, and they won't"

So in other words your saying "Nobody knows what will happen," except you.

[-Alpha]

Hill, I am saying from what we ALREADY Know we cannot jump to a hasty conclusion. We know that Nintendo is leading by a ridiculous amount right now and to say that Sony will outsell them is based on no solid evidence other then that they are doing well.

Don't shift burden of proof on me, I am not making the claim that Sony will outsell Nintendo. You guys are. So it's up to you to have some proof that isn't based on a vague future.

Your reasoning is that Sony has always sold the most. Yet you fail to realize the PS3 didn't get off like the PS2 or PSOne did. It suffered a lot from a high price, and a lack of good games at launch. The gap is much wider, there is more competition from Microsoft. It's completely foolish to equate the PS3 to the PS2 or PSOne when neither PS2 or PSOne was in the situation PS3 is in today.

The Wii has catered to a much wider audience that Sony is only now trying to gain with Move, something that is aimed at the hardcore.

So Sony fanboys are trying to have it both ways. Either Sony will win (as defined by Marius as whoever sells the most), but that means that they have to dominate the casual market. What's their casual hook? Move, which is aimed at who? The hardcore gamer. Which is optional. Which is in direct competition to Natal, a product that MS is fully aiming at casuals. And of course, the Wii, which has already secured the casual audience by a large gap. Yet, somehow within four years, Sony is supposed to have Move and 3D not only run past the 360, but the Wii. It's a huge assumption.

[baum]

"Don't shift burden of proof on me, I am not making the claim that Sony will outsell Nintendo. You guys are. So it's up to you to have some proof that isn't based on a vague future. "

But you did claim that Sony WON'T make as much profit, which is also based on a vague future. In math, if you deny something, you have to prove it too. Just like a proposition isn't true when there's no proof about its state of truth, a proposition isn't necessarily false when there isn't proof; it's only uncertain, that's pretty basic when dealing with plausible reasoning.

Funny, this is the same failure argument you used last time we argued and the conveniently proceeded to ignore me because your lack of knowledge regarding rhetoric and reasoning was put in evidence, so you had to PM me with idiocy and grammar errors. Stay in college, kid. Oh, and change the "Alpha" to "Omega" too.

Anyway, nothing to see here. As usual, Omega-Male fails.

[Consoldtobots]

I heard there is a petition to have ALpha change his screen name to something more relevant and NATIVE to this nature.

LovestoReadHisOwnPosts sounds like a good injun name for ya.

[itisa]

Don't try to make sense with Alpha-Male22.I already knew that he's an Xbox troll in disguise,a long time ago.

That's why I put him in Ignore list.

On topic,everything is looking good for gamers,expect for those who feel insecure by Sony's continuous success.

[cry from the sky]

well put, the best consoles ive ever owned have been made by sony...go figure. ;)

[JonnyBigBoss]

Good article man.

[Fishy Fingers]

I really couldnt care less, as long as they continue to bring quality games and another quality machine next gen, I'll let the accountants and cooperate loyalists care about the sales crap.

[shikwan]

Since you said it, it shall come to pass, god!

[Gamer7l]

....but only after everyone else is in another race.

[WIIIS1]

Yah lol! When the race is over and Sony is last to finish, they simply continued running another lap alone and claimed victory.

[DeltaZ3R05]

the ps3 is nexgen technology

[Hotel_Moscow]

current next gen

[Petebloodyonion]

Of course Nintendo won't have any games to counter (Mario Galaxy2 and Metroid M)

Also I'm sure that given Sony's past reccord with device such as eyetoy and the PSPgo we can establish the Move as a sure success.

[mrv321]

Given Nintendo's success with the virtual boy, I can almost guarantee the DS will fail... that's basically your statement

Or this, given Microsoft success with the PC controller I can guarantee Natal will fail.

Last I check eyetoy is involved with the function of move.

[DelbertGrady]

Eye of Judgement 2 will be the end of the Wii lol

[Optical_Matrix]

Imo, Sony have the only thing Sony hasn't won this gen is the disgustingly large amounts of profit the PS1 and PS2 brought them. However, in terms of a quality product with the best hardware, highest quality/generation defining games, Sony is the clear winner and that will not change I think. There are fantastic games for all 3 systems but none of them have shook me the same way Uncharted 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2 and God of War III have. Those 4 games imo, define this generation of gaming, or at least the Playstation 3 experience.

[Dylantalon1]

the console race is a sprint so i dont know what this article is about. look at the ps1 and ps2s generation which only lasted 3 to 4 years.

[Tony-A]

They've done it twice before, and the PS3 is about as successful as the PS1 during the same time so it's clearly possible.

Only reason people are skeptical is because they're exposed to the Internets' many "doom and gloom" stories (that, or they're convinced that a bad launch will spell doom for the rest of its life cycle). If those were around or accessible during those PS1 days, I'm sure people wouldn't have expected it to "win" that generation, let alone be the first in history to surpass 100 million.

[A change in the wind]

Uh duh. Anybody who was alive to experience any console generations other than this one could tell you that. Ain`t no way an XBOX console is going to beat a PLAYSTATION console. Sorry, but the PS3 will be remembered as something great, while the 360 will be remembered as "that console that had Halo and Gears." I expect to get another 5 years out of my PS3, and I expect the 360 to become obsolete as soon as MS dumps it for the nextbox just to stay ahead of everybody else. In my opinion, the xbox brand is pathetic, and like I said, ain`t no way an Xbox console will ever beat a Playstation console.

[mcnablejr]

The first console on the market is pathetic? thats new

[happy_gilmore]

i sure it will be more like: the 360 will be remembered as "that console that had RRoD"

[ELite_Ghost]

gears is like a sports game... barely new changes yet millions still buy it... Dumb bots without games are just desperate for exclusives...

[avengers1978]

It just turned 3 this year, and the bulk of it's life is till to come, games have gotten steadily better, and Bluray is outstanding.
PS3 will beat the 360 and come really close to the wii, if not surpass it.

[spektical]

Nintendo caters to the casual fans who purchase less than 3 games per year. In fact the market is already hitting the fully saturation mark.

Besides most people that have Wii's dont play them much.

[Seferoth75]

Clueless much? Wii has the same attach rate as PS3 kid. By your own admittance PS3 is just as bad as the Wii. Oh and every time a next gen play time comes from neilsons and they interview thousands of households, its the PS3 that is getting played the least.

I think it is very telling that most of the PS3 fanboys on this site are clueless idiots. Where do you get your info from? outofyourarse.com?

Hell Sony had to do tons of bundles, free give aways and count demos as sales just to get an attach rate close to Wii.

want to talk about game sales? Lets talk about how Demon Souls, Borderlands, Bioshock1 Bioshock 2, BLazblue, Bayonetta, Dragon Age and so many other 3rd party games fail to achieve the sale of even low budget non AAA wii games like Red Steel 1.

How about how not a single game from Sega has hit 1 million on PS3 and 4 of them have on Wii. Who do you think makes more money for Sega? Oh and they are not the only company.

You really should take 5 minutes to try to get some kind of insight into the truth. Something you obviously know nothing about at this point

[Biggest]

Might it be because those games from SEGA aren't very good games?

[Absolut_Turkey]

Sounds about right to me. I own both a PS3 and a Wii, and I barely touch the Wii. It's gotten to the point where I honestly forget that I even have it. Nintendo's games just don't excite me anymore. Although that Monster Hunter might be interesting...

[ArcFatalix]

blu ray victory = win.

[tudors]

Bluray and 3D could be seen as a big plus but HD movies for example are not tied to disk media, more and more HD is becoming more widespread without the need for Bluray, Sky is launching their own 3D service, 3d gaming I will give Sony that as it would seem that 120hz is required, but from a graphics point of view I do not see how much better the PS3 can get, we already know it will never reach maxed out PC levels of Crysis 1, I actually look forward to seeing KZ2 just to see how good it can get because the reality is that both the PS3 and the 360 are becoming dated, and even though I am not too interested in On-live it does change things with regards to having the best hardware under your TV.

And motion controls is a tricky one because lets face it they all have the potencial to be winnners, you have to ask yourself what is the PS3 going to do exactly that separates it from the rest? IMO there is not that much in them, they all offer great things for this Gen, but somthing tells me things are changing so rapidly that nextgen after this will be totally different again, don't expect the new consoles any time soon because they all Sony MS Nintendo etc have a lot of thinking to do.

[Paballo]

Well to be honest this is how I see it.Sony will pass M$ before the end of 2011 next year and will end up finishing 2nd place by the time this gen ends but in the long run which is ten years(7years from now)I believe the ps3 will have outsold the wii.Think about what Ps3 will have by then...Blu ray(likely 100 to 200GB games updated through firmware),Playstation move,Great exclusive games,great 3rd party games(by this time 3rd party games will be on par(atleast); with first party games and will take advantage of ps3 blu ray,cell,motion controls and an open network,backwards compatibility with ps1-ps2,3d integration,price range around $199,psp2compatability,ps3/pla ystation move bundle(possible dent in the wii market let alone wii2/wii HD),digital services that Sony promised on the Psn ie movies and music,great applications ie itunes(apple working on it) ect..and let's not forget last but not least ps3 still has a lot of horse power so we will see what happened with the ps2 in terms of graphics happen with ps3 and with all of this in mind I can see Sony selling 100million consoles by 2016/2017.I expect ps4 to be available by 2015 and let's not forget that even with launches of new consoles Sony till shows great support for their previous console and fanbase.

[tudors]

"Blu ray(likely 100 to 200GB games updated through firmware"

But why would they need that much space? think about it, having that much space is not going to make the PS3 that much more of a graphics powerhouse, and do you really want to play a game that is just made that size to give you a game length that you are really not that bothered about? fair enough if the hardware matches the disk space then it is needed, but we do not need that much space this gen, what are we going to do force the devs to make a game deliberatly long just to justify the space? and if we are talking about streaming textures then yes maybe you have a point but the PS3 as fantastic as the Cell is still has a rather weak GPU so even streaming textures will have limits to what they can achieve on the current hardware, On-live for example still needs great hardware at the server end to achieve what you eventually will get on your screen.

[Brklynty1]

Time and time again you hear them saying that's why were leading and all the other BS. Sony could easily say, thays why were outselling so and so worldwide, but they don't, because like they said, they don't care about being #1,2,or 3, they want to seen as the best, not how much they sold. Look at Wii, its number 1 but barely has support, wtf is that? Aaron Greenburg constantly pulls out the NPD charts or whatever, Pete Dille(or whatever his name is) only talks about what Sony is bringing to the table, not oh we outselling them by far, they can't catch up(though they can't say that, but you know what I mean). Seriously, this whole 1st, 2nd and last place crap is stupid. Had 360 not been a faulty console it could have been last, had PS3 not been so expensive it could have been 1st, real gamers don't care, only fanboys do.

[RageAgainstTheMShine]

Pew!

[jalen247]

The PS3 will sell more consoles than the 360 and the Wii.

The PS3 is on a 10+ year life cycle so this is very possible.

The PS3 will pass the 360 and not look back by the end of the year.

The PS3 will ultimately catch the Wii before the end of its 10 year lifecycle.

[IRetrouk]

tbh im just happy playing games on both 360 and ps3, both have some brill games coming out, but i feel that in the long run sony has the advantage, what i have been playing at the min on ps3 is just on a diffrent level, GOW3, uncharted 2, killzone 2, heavy rain im even playing gt5p again. 360 is good but it was rushed and is starting to show its age imo, but gears of war 3 will be good, alan wake, halo reach looks ok too.

[tudors]

Is your name Pacther by any chance?

[jalen247]

If Pacther can make predictions, then so can I. I have been gaming since the NES. I like to think that my predictions are informed and logical. :)

[ElementX]

I don't see why anyone gives a flying f__k. As long as games come out I don't care. Everyone makes this into an online pen!s contest and it's just stupid. All of you children and bicker back and forth and agree and disagree but it's just a pointless debate, there aren't any losers in the console world. MS has outsold the original Xbox, Sony is selling more consoles YTD and Nintendo is blowing everyone away.

[jjesso1993]

of cause it will 360 only is where it is now because came out first 360 sold what 4-5millionb more than the ps3 now with a year head start and the ps3 being £425 $600 when it launch and is selling more every month ps3 is better choice 90% of 360 exclusive i play on pc what real true exclusive dose the 360 have halo gears forza crackdown i really cant think of any more ps3 full exclusive got lots of added bonus 's why would you to choice the xbox over the ps3 unless your blind fanboy if you can have all three console not problem but if really can only have one ps3 the better choice.

[gtamike123]

PS3 graphics are on a new level and keep getting better each year.
360 is stuck in 2007 graphics and can't even beat uncharted 1.

[knightdarkbox]

Sony FAILED go the way of the Wii with the ps3. Because of the complications of the cell processor, BR drive disc read speeds, and install issues..

honestly Sony would be the most likely company to abandon the console-making industry first. Like Atari and sega, they would probably focus on the publishing your games and leave the console war for microsoft and nintendo.

[gtamike123]

"BR drive disc read speeds"
Damn fast speeds, Uncharted 2 and god of war 3 has no loading screens and level of detail is very high.

"Install issues"
It's not a issue for pc gamers to install games so it's not for PS3.
Oh and uncharted 2, god of war 3 and killzone 2 has no installs.

"complications of the cell processor"
Life is about learning you have put time into learning new skills, you might understand when you grow up.

I don't feel like listing the 360 problems as we all know theres too many.

Oh and I think we all got a next gen console for better graphics the ps3 is winning in that area and exclusive games. Don't forget to ask mummy to pay for xbox live (p2p online)

[Captain Tuttle]

"This generation doesn't end until we say so".

[GiantEnemyCrab]

LOL! That is immediately what I thought when I read this.. +bubbles

I just picture an empty stadium with 1 team on the field throwing the ball to themselves yelling "WE WIN!"

[bviperz]

it was, "This generation doesn't START until we say it starts..."

:)

[Seferoth75]

They both know where it originally came from. Just being sarcastic.

[bjornbear]

because thats what your cluster of 360 fanboys seem to be doing in all of these articles...

bunching up together and shouting "YAY WE ARE WINNING" when in all honesty, all 3 are =/ so if anyone is to laugh at here..its yourselves

good analogy though

[RageAgainstTheMShine]

Kaz Hirai Jr.

[RosoTron36]

Sony is true to their financial/business planning. Continued support to previous and newly existing products pays out in the long run. Think of it this way; the ones still buying PS2s even today, guess what they'll be buying when the next gen consoles come out? Yes, PS3s...
Profiting is even more essential further down the line because the PS3s 10years from now maybe be cheaper, but guess what the tech will be also be advanced to the point that building the PS3s will also be cheaper. And that also goes for making/developing the video games as well. And the cycle will continue forth. Consumers become loyal to a company when they purchase a console that lasts as long Sony consoles has lasted. Consumers will become loyal to a company when they <soccer moms and budgeted gamers> purchase a last gen console at a low price while looking at a current gen console with a mindset of knowing they will buy it once its price goes down no matter how outdated it will be at the time.
FYI: I gave bubbles to a few. Good arguments and on topic comments :D

[bjornbear]

sony are running in a marathon? great! where can I see it?

[ATLGAMER]

in 30038

[Subzero200x]

um no they will fail just like they are now.

[Brklynty1]

Because the only thing failing is you right now.

[Dirk Benedict]

while that sounds logical, you shouldn't count on it.
your feeble mind probably couldn't even comprehend the amount of ventures Sony is involved in.

[Paballo]

I never said that ps3 will be that much more of a graphical power house with the increased disc space in blu ray.what I am saying is that it will decrease the space limitations that some devs already experience with 50gigs.Hideo Kojima already filled up the 50gigs yet came out saying that it was not enough for MGS4 and that a lot of things had to be cut out and that was all in 2008.If you skip all of the cut scenes in MGS4 it is 5-6hours on gameplay alone.Just because a game uses a lot of disc space does not mean that it is a long game.Uncharted Drakes fortune was 6hours like Heavenly Sword yet filled up one blu ray disc.Heck GOW3 is around 10hours yet is beyond 33gigs.Just because a game takes up a lot of space does not mean it is long.1080p and 720p cut scenes eat a lot of disc space not to mention songs,sound files and recordings at doby HD or Doby Digital 7.1.There are many devs that are filling blu ray ie Rockstar,Id software(Rage engine has 20gb textures alone),Polyphony(who might release GT5 across 3blu ray discs),bethesda games,Square Enix ect just to name a few and I did not even mention a lot of first party devs who obviously take advantage of blu ray.No.2Texture streaming is constrained by what your Gpu is capable of but rather how skilled your programer is.Majority of Ps3 exclusives have little to no load times and utilize texture streaming.Even the "hardware intensive could not be done on consoles" crysis3 uses texture streaming and as far as I and all pc gamers know the Cryengine is GPU intensive.If texture streaming required a top range Gpu than Gta SA,Just Cause and black which had a lot going on screen and huge draw distances would have not being possible in the previous generation.

[keysy420]

who didnt know that. blu-ray decided that along time ago.

[ELite_Ghost]

blu ray is now the present
3d is the future!

[Paballo]

Sorry I meant Crysis2 not Crysis3.

[Seekerofthewind]

Could anyone seriously tell me why anyone cares? All three companies have sold enough to have a reason to stick around next generation, and all three consoles have great games coming out. So, seriously, who cares which company wins some bull-crafted race made by gamers/gaming media, and why do you care so much?

[OutgoingSquall]

Why wouldn't the ps3 reach 100 million? It's awesome is my favorite gaming console makes me feel like when I had my sega genesis I loved that thing.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Good job Sony!

phew! Everyone should feel better now.

I wish the Superbowl would just last as long as it takes for my favorite team to win. But that would look silly after the crowd has left, the stadium lights are off and everyone has gone home.

This guy is acting like MS is going to sit still and Sony is going to make all moves and he barely mentions Nintendo who just happened to move .5 million units just in March alone.. Yeah, saturation.. sure.

[goflyakite]

Pretty stupid analogy considering you can just reverse it.

eg: Leading team leaves the stadium at half time thinking they've won the Super Bowl.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

'xBotched 360' ;-D

[Dirk Benedict]

i couldn't have said it any better, Sir Ken. i want to bestow upon you a glorious chat bubble.

[tudors]

"crysis3 uses texture streaming and as far as I and all pc gamers know the Cryengine is GPU intensive.If texture streaming required a top range Gpu than Gta SA,Just Cause and black which had a lot going on screen and huge draw distances would have not being possible in the previous generation."

Don't get me wrong I do appreciate the points within your comments but on the flip side if the GPU did not matter then why bother with a next generation? why not just keep increasing the disk capacity? bottom line is no matter how much space you provide there are still going to be limits regards the current hardware and what it can achieve, or why do Nvidia and ATI keep producing newer better GPU's? what is the point if it means more to have more space? I think we both make good points but lets not pretend that for games to get anywhere near Crysis 1 PC on consoles we need better hardware than we have now.

[DelbertGrady]

Are we still playing the "just you wait" game?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

lol

[OutgoingSquall]

Can we agree there all doing good?

[tunaks1]

Nintendos won this generation,
its now a fight for second place,

[Darkfiber]

They always do. Microsoft started really strong and as a result, they will burn out faster. Sony will see constant growth throughout their life cycle and come out on top. It was obvious from the start. People were so quick to judge the PS3 and say it was never going to do well are idiots. With the far superior hardware advantage, blu ray winning the HD war and the long list of amazing Sony first party developers, I don't see how anyone couldn't have predicted this from the start. Just closed minded and ignorant I guess.

Also, Wii is last gen and doesn't count. It has a few decent games but in terms of pushing games forward, it's not in the same league.

[dan_dufferin98]

FOR YOU DUMB BIASED ILLOGICAL FANBOYS THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND HEAR: PS3 IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUTURE PROOF! THE BEST GAMES! IT'S MIGHTY!! BEST GRAPHICS!!! YOU NERDS KEEP BRINGING UP THE SAME GAMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN (KZ2, UNCHARTERED 2, MGS2, FILL IN THE BLANKS HERE), ONLY FOR THE HARD CORE! JUST SHUT UP WITH YOUR STUPID FANBOY LOVE FOR A SYSTEM!!!! PS3 IS THE BEST!! PS3 PS3 PS3!!! YOU DOOR KNOBS HAPPY NOW???!!!!

[thehitman]

happy :)

[Shnazzyone]

if there wasn't the constant possibility of hardware better then ps3 easily being made within a 10 year span. If M$ and Sony stick with their 10 year lifecycle guns and nintendo comes out with something better at the same price... then sony has just handed the next gen to Nintendo before it even began.

[bviperz]

for putting it into mind of fans that this is an actual race with 'winners' and 'losers'. For feeding this generations 'console war'. I also blame all 3 companies for perpetuating it in some way. In the end the only thing that should matter is if you can continue to enjoy gaming, regardless of the platform.

[lizard81288]

wii is in 1st place and M$ coming up 2nd and Sony coming around the corner in 3rd.

lolz.

so by 2011, sony will be in 1st, yeah. they've been in last since the wii took off, then there was a battle for 2nd, which m$ won, but in less than a year sony will pass both M$ and nintendo, with move.

sorry if i find that hard to believe

[Hotel_Moscow]

marathon who said the marathon ended next year the marathon ends in 6 to 7 years later because what game company is still developing ames for there previous generation console not nintendo not microsoft just sony

[thehitman]

The only way I see the ps3 overtaking the wii if Sony can drill the Move as the better wii A.K.A wii in HD. I mean who would want to buy a wii if you can get the same experience in HD w/ better quality and games. People try to act like the Move being so much like Wii is a bad thing the direct approach of overtaking the wii market I think was the smartest. Also now Nintendo have to think what will they do next console Sony beat them to the punch w/ Wii HD. Microsoft on the other hand is in a lose-lose situation. Natal is exactly just like they eyetoy which has proven to be a fail if Sony couldnt push it w/ the ps2 then idk how even MS can push it. Also the 360 has been showing age for 2 years now less and less quality games while Sony just keeps seeming to get better like wine.

[Raines of Onyx]

Ps3 already lost, and the funny thing is this is the 3rd Play station vs. the 2nd Xbox lol.....sad

[GeoramA]

PS3 was built to last the longest.

It pretty much defines "Future-proof"

[abi980]

sony can't afford to make a ps4, they lost a lot of money developing a processor that nobody uses, so yeah enjoy the marathon.

[NateNater]

Sony makes plenty of profit off of Game sales, Blu-ray, HD TV sets, PSP, PS2, PS3, Vaio laptops, and all of their other products they create. They have enough profit to make PS4 stupid bot.

As for the cell processor that "nobody uses", read the Possible Application section from this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[gtamike123]

your writing like Sony only makes game consoles, you have no idea do you lol.

360 RROD repairs are high how much did mr bill gates pay out?
also how many 1st party developers M$ owns? l

[captainjy]

Actually, Phony really can't afford to make a POS4 right now, they are so far int he red on the POS3 right now, they have to ride this generation out. Nintendo and MS are easily in the black and can very easily afford the next generation.

[Samus HD]

it has already been seen who has won this generation :

Wii - Nintendo Wii so keep trying but nothing can't stop nintendo

[foxxy]

WTF lol okay this is far from over ps3 has alot life Sony doesn't care about sales they in 3rd but have the most quality in the games god of war 3.pushing multiplayer limits making more people play with eachorther play create share games watching my sister and dad play littlebigplanet. If you don't have a ps3 you are missing out period and have any of you x-box fanboys watch blu Ray movie on a HD tv you haven't because if you did you wouldn't be talking s**** .

[Raines of Onyx]

Blu ray isent that great, I have a PS3 lol PS3 sucks in comparrison haha

[November 9 2004]

face reality,ps3 failed and is in last place. each place is set in stone this gen.

[Dance]

April Fools?

[RageAgainstTheMShine]

The moment blu-ray won the format Sony won the
1 video gaming industry
2 movie & video industry
3 storage media industry
4 TV industry

Soon every sort digital content will be stored in blu-ray discs for copy protection. Publishers will go back to selling movies, games, music & content on optical media.
M$ knew this would happen so they tried to prevent neither BD nor HD-DVD from winning the format wars.

[dtalon3]

1:no, seems like their still in last. is it one of those real long moments?
2:how so? sure they won the format. movies are put out on in HD on blu ray but do you realize how many people own an HDTV AND a blu ray player? not nearly as many as you think.
3: seems like hard drives/usb drives won storage war years ago
4:what does blu ray have to do with tv industry? aside from tv shows are released on blu ray also now.

sounds to me like your a blind F*cktard of a fanboy and don't know what your talking about

[bobdog626]

Sony has the System but it's the Game,s that will make Sony Stay in LAST Place.God of War is Sony's Only Big Game they have.Halo Reach is going to Destroy All Hope of Sony Wining this Race .Just Look at the BETA for Halo Reach and you will See.

[Justin_bristoe]

..will launch at 200 dollar price tag lol.i'm saving for my ps4 now cuz i know it migh be a whole grand.

[DigitalHorror81]

How much the PS4 is going to be. I wouldn't doubt a $799 price tag, either and anticipate a launch in 2-4 years. On Topic, I have to agree. Sony has Microsoft's head in their armpit and Reggie's throat in their fist.

GO SONY! Sony gamers lead the way!

[glennc]

yaaaaaaawn

[cygnuszero]

This article is useless. First of all the Wii has already won, it cant be surpassed, and the 360 has a 6mil lead, and just outsold the PS3 again last month, if you do the math it would take them over 3 years to catch up with the way things are going.

[dtalon3]

you f*cking people crack me up. I hate the wii and even I can see it will be placed number one this gen barring M$ and Nintendo go bankrupt. please people

Platform -- Unit Sales --Year-to-Date ----Lifetime-to-Date
1.Nintendo DS --613,200 --1,035,400 --39,762,000
2.Nintendo Wii --557,500 --1,421,200 --28,555,000
3.Xbox 360 --338,400 --1,093,200 --19,924,190
4.PS3 --313,900 --950,900 --12,079,200
5.PSP --119,900 --353,400 --16,190,000

put as many disagrees as you want, the fact that you want the 360 or the ps3 to succeed wont change the fact that sony is in last, MIGHT be M$ and the wii is in first...by the way the wii consistantly sells those numbers. Oh and the argument of "well if the other companies stop supporting their system ps3 will get to year 10 and win!" thats like saying you won the gold medal but no one gave a f*ck so they quit and moved on to better things, well congrats...i guess. N4G has officialy become the ps3 fanboy site I bid you adieu f*cking fanboy Dbags.

[Raines of Onyx]

This site has been filled with PS3 fanboys. They come here cause their games suck haha. what are the software sales between the consoles?

[Surt]

But to say one system is the lead is a very deceptive thing. You have to take account what country are you talking about? Cause it seems to me that alot the "wii first, 360 second, and ps3 3" is coming from an american standpoint.

And its actually still too early to tell how this will play out. But @ALPHA MALE how can you state that the ps2 started off good? ??? If you don't know what I mean do some homework. The ps2 did not come out swinging. But it "won" last generation (when 360 was out I might add) by making back, and making profits. Plus *MORE IMPORTANT* Consumer loyalties.

That's the magic word. LOYALTIES. And I don't belive the wii, or 360 have gained that, but rather lost quite a few.

[Petebloodyonion]

Care to explain us how Nintendo or Microsoft are losing loyalties?
Also the WII is outselling the Xbox360 and PS3 in all 3 major Market.

[Surt]

Grandma who wasted her money on frekin wii, is not gonna buy another system for ten years because to her she already has a "video game system" You only going to squeeze so much loyalty from the casual gamer.
And I still have my 360. Had 3 of em. Cause they kept bloody breakin. My loyalty were taxed with the 360. but I'm still with them. But I know alot who got fed up and jumped ship.

[cygnuszero]

You say people jumped ship from the 360, but the fact is the 360 is still outselling the PS3. It just beat it by 50k laat month. So even if people leave, more are constantly jumping on board so who leaves is irrelevant.

This article is about the PS3 winning in the end which just is not going to happen. The Wii has this gen in the bag, the 360 has over a 6mil lead and is still outselling the PS3. The way this gen will end has already been decided.

[saimcheeda]

1-Wii
2-PS3
3-Xbox 360

[Homicide]

Sony will never beat Wii.

[Surt]

at the numbers some of you pull out of your asses. Tho I do believe that this site there are a lot of ps3 loyalists. (what site doesn't have their loyalist?) If you own BOTH ps3 and 360 then shouldn't feel cheated. But feel free to feel that way if you own any other system, other then the two.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I think it's safe to say that Sony and MS are battling for silver at this point. Nintendo pretty much has the gold this generation. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of life, but I'm glad to see that Sony's death grip on the console market is gone. I think next gen, the MS will claim even more of the market share.

[captainjy]

Oh yeah, Phony will win the marathon...after their shortages.

Please, stop this pathetic cycle and let's move on. We get it, you own a POS3 and are desparate for some respect and attention, but until the "shortages" are over, it's not our fault. Blame Phony.

Most importantly and probably the pill that you just can't swallow is, Phony owned the gaming pie and MS is treading all over that sacred ground. MS isn't going anywhere and if anything, keeps gathering up support and popularity. Sorry about that, but it's just the way it is so either comform or get out of the way.

[DigitalHorror81]

While I admire your strong sense of loyalty to Microsoft, there's one problem. How many people are going to line up for the 360's sequel with all the RROD problems? Granted, I will admit that 360 and PS3 are for the more adult gamers, but you can't screw your fanbase by making a NON-future proofed system like the 360. Will the new one support Blu-ray? I doubt it. They wanted HD-DVD to win, and it failed.. Miserably.

360's sequel needs bigger storage which should be an obvious. Let's lose the DVD-9 storage and go for at least 60-80 Gigs at a minimum. The biggest thing they need to ensure is to not screw over the fanbase. I know four people that have had RROD and switched to PS3. They've got to be careful not to burn out their fanbase, or BOOM---there goes their slice of the pie.