Madden 08: 60 frames on the 360; 30 frames on the PS3

America's favorite pastime will come to consoles, later this summer. 1up.com has confirmed that the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps. In the simplest of terms, this means that the 360 versions will run smoother and faster, and you'll have an easier time noticing subtle animations.

[CyberSentinel]

360 Scores!

Final score...

360 - 60
ps3 - 30

360 Wins!

[genericname]

actually the 360 is 30..........as in failure rate.

[Crazyglues]

CyberSentinel.. Now that's funny. :)

Don't worry PS3 I still love you... even if game developers refuse to re-design the code specifically for your hardware, and instead keep choosing to just port over their Xbox 360 code.

[kellik]

Face it. Read it. It's all over N4g... IBM this IBM that.. Stanford research.. Etc etc etc........ every trailer every game action is shot on the xbox 360...

Sony needs to pay these developers to work on their system to see money on the back end..

When and if.. This thing will rock... But right now 9 months after purchase i want a refund.. serious.. I bought it originally stood in line for investment 73h hrs later that dream was gone.. Been waiting weeks checked everything for Ncaa 08 Bought the 1080p 32 inch screen.. I feel let down.. Almost cheated...

Not by sony... They just failed in the motto
BUILD IT THEY WILL COME... not this year... maybe 2050.
Football.. Football.. How can you not beg and plead them pay a fortune to just say please please shoot this monkey once and for all called 360.... make me the game that is truly next , next and last
no one can deny our brilliance in the system

maybe they meant real football fifa or Pes.. can't wait to be dissappointed again..

Sony should get some guts and deny them the rights to console...
they hurt Sony more than they would by not having em..
Should have partnered exclusive for All pro.. Shown the gaming and sports world how to do it..

Nice job Sony your rocket has blasted off only to be good for someone with brains on a different planet to code it..
or perhaps
American ideals ... Japan builds us something we can but , don't want to take the time to code.. So we get lazy and build to the lowest dedominator... great ideals.. that's what america's about...

actually, Selling as much, for as much, for as cheaply as you can..
is that closer to reality Did Sony not relize their American marketplace.. no one likes competition hard work that's why Ea owns exlusive license's..

I already feel i have wasted enough of my life on video games.. Maybe i'll return the tv/treadmill too... 8]*!!#@ EA

[CurlUpAndDie]

like always 360 rapes lame ps3.

[tethered]

One more reason to go with "All-Pro Football 2K8"

I have a feeling I'm not the only one making the switch.
(on either system)

EA's run is over even with the rights to the NFL name. (I hope)

Same crap over and over.

[Munky]

"1up.com has confirmed that the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps."

Did you miss that part?

[ben hates you]

lazy EA

[Omegasyde]

EA games have been horrible lately and I really wish they didn't have the NFL license. They can't make the game at 60 frames on the ps3? Why did they even bother on the ps3 version since people will buy the 360 version now?
It seems that the ps3 version won't even sell at a 1/4 of what the 360 version will sell because of this. So all the development on the ps3 version will be in vain, and they will lose money off that project. More money down the toilet for EA just like Medal of Honor and Need for speed.

I know they will give the ps3 version a exclusive feature, like juking with the 6axis or hiking the ball...but no one cares. I think I will buy all pro this year, on xbox perhaps or whatever has a deal. EA won't get my money for a while.

[witchking]

All of the football franchises (EA's Madden and NCAA, and 2K's All Pro Football) are going to be locked at 60 fps on the 360 and 30 fps on the PS3.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

so glad that I can get the best version of the best football game on 360. I'd be pissed if I spent 600 dollars on a ps3 and have to play the inferior versions of almost every multiplatform game. And they say the ps3 is more powerful. Dont make me laugh.

Silky smooth 60fps for 200 dollars less. Man who would want to pay an extra 200 dollars for worse games.

Oh look a petition! lol

[tethered]

"Oh look a petition! lol"

Haha! Nice!

[zantetsuken]

Do some research first. You seemed intelligent at first, but opening your mouth spoiled the effect. Notice how the devs refused to comment on it? I wonder why...

Oh, look. Taken from IGN's Sigma review - "Texture resolution is great, character detail is fantastic and it runs at a blistering 60fps even at 1080p." NG runs at 60 fps and 1080? I thought this was impossible for the ps3? Hmm, I guess that means it's the devs?

Nice try, though. /me gives you some troll cookies. Enjoy.

[Daishi]

Lets not forget that Ninja Gaiden ran silky smooth on the origanal xbox at a wopping 1080i res. Sigama does have nice $600 leaves blowing around though.

[zantetsuken]

Funny. Since you obviously don't know anything about resolutions. Native 1080p is much different than upscaled 1080i.

Btw, there's an even bigger difference considering Sigma is a True HD game, while the original only supported progressive scan.

Your logic of $600 is just too funny, seeing as you had to pay $400 to play an SD game in a horrid upscaled resolution. Oh, btw, let's not forget you had to pay $50 a year to even upload your leaderboard score. I'll be doing that for free :)

Be sure to check out this comparison: http://www.gamevideos.com/v... - I see much more than just leafs (not leaves, btw)... New weapons, levels, modes, missions, bosses, characters, downloadable content, etc.

Nice try, though.

[Ignorant Fanboy]

I know they dont have over 600 leaves.

So even if we were paying a dollar a leaf, it would still be a ripoff.

[gazza]

Correction to upload the leaderboard u only need to hve silver membership which is free

[Thugbot187]

Comparing Sigma and Madden is ridiculous because Madden has more things on a given screen to render. You have 11 players on a screen from each team also added in there AI, Second you have the players in the stands all the signs and all the guys to render on the sidelines. Sigma if anything like the Ninja Gaden from the Xbox will have at most 10 enemies on screen at a given time. So they would have to deal with less overall they had to render. It makes a whole lot of since that the PS3 has problems in this area due to the memory issue.
You can have the fastest hardware in the world but without enough memory to feed the processor your processor will seem like the slowest thing out there.

[hazeblaze]

Actually, if you've played Sigma and any other Maddens... you'll know that there's a lot more to render on screen on Sigma. Unless EA makes a major leap this go round, the only thing with a great deal of detail in their games is the characters... but everything in Sigma packs detail. But what really puts an end to this argument is the fact that Resistance packs more action & detail on screen at one time than either of these games and still runs at a silky smooth 60 fps w/o ever dipping. The problem is the devs, not the hardware.

[paracardium]

Miss the ninja gaiden sigma review? The dev's that made it at 30 not cause the console can't do it. Xbots are really really trying.

[WANDA]

lol is a stupid phrase. makes you sound pompous.

the only people who need to "TRY" to defend anyone are those who bought a ps3.
and even then. i'm pretty sure everyone will change their opinions after e3.
there will be a reason to hype the ps3, so the owners won't feel so obligated to attack xbox owners to defend themselves.

get over the fact that ps3 is in a rut. it will get itself out, but until then, stop talking sh!t

[Kokoro]

we're talking Football here, not Ninjas.

[Ignorant Fanboy]

Instead of explaining why their version sux,

they just argue that ninja gaiden ran at 60 FPS, how come the rest of the PS3 games dont run that good?

Because ninja gaiden is a last-gen game. I could code that game to run at 60 FPS on my HP pavillion.

[calidredz]

Come on we all know EA sux, if this was another Dev I would take a point but, this American sweatshop of a co. is just trash. I may not even get it myself that vid of all pro was nice. Just keep pumping them and I will keep buying em.

P.S I am a 360 owner I just hate ea

[witchking]

As much as I agree that EA just pumps out mediocre drivel half the time, they are NOT the only football game doing this. The All Pro Football 2k8 game from 2K sports is going to be locked at 60 fps on the 360 and 30 fps on the PS3.

Bash EA if you want, but the fact of the matter is, the extra year the 360 has on the PS3 means developers are more comfortable coding for it and can therefore stretch its limits more than they can on the PS3.

Let's not bring Team Ninja into this. Everyone knows that they have extremely high production values. No one expects anything short of perfection from them. Unfortunately, they can't code every game we play. Madden will outsell Sigma, because football is a big seller. Everyone can play it. Sigma is an M-rated game that is brutally difficult and meant for a niche audience.

[kingofps3]

Developers are being such pus5ies about this. Why are they even making games. Same excuse as always just blame the console.

Learn from Team Ninja's Sigma ppl.

[Nervsys]

So its all the devs fault. Obviously a conspiracy.

The Devs blame the console. Yep that's their excuse. So what is your excuse for always blaming everyone but sony?

Maybe this type of issue and the comparison issues (ie. the darkness) wouldn't be quite so easy for xbox owners to laugh about, if Sony had actually marketed the Ps3 with the truth, rather than trying to make out that the thing was more powerful than god. Then it would be much easier to forgive sony.

[hazeblaze]

Sony already has games running smoothly at 60 fps... Resistance was a launch game & pulled it off top notch! So of course the issue is with the devs. If none of the devs were able to pull it off then we could place blame with Sony. But the truth of the matter is that we will still see a lot of devs porting 360 games to the PS3 until the userbase grows. But you all can have Madden & NCAA... Knowing that games like Haze & UT3 are being built on the PS3 and than ported down to the 360 is all the comfort PS3'ers need :-) Too many multiplat devs have already confessed that they're able to get more power out of the PS3 hardware than any other console for fanboys to ignore.

[Premonition]

I wonder how many 360 games run at 60FPS let alone 1080p

[jack who]

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[Ignorant Fanboy]

Sony Hyped it, Microsoft delivered it.

[UrbanJabroni]

but they DO have access to resources (and talent, believe it or not) that many other publishers are envious of.

As usual,fanboys are going to blame it on all of the "lazy" game development employees...but maybe it is time to realize that 99% of publishers DO NOT have access to the 24/7 direct-from-Sony tools and resources that 1st and 2nd party get. Maybe it is time to stop burying your damn heads in the sand and realize the responsibility lies on SONY to make sure the tools and SDK can be as easily exploited as those on the 360 and Wii.

With the insane development schedules and budgets this generation, if even EA doesn't have the resources to "maximize the PS3's potential", how can anyone honestly expect the other developers to stand a chance?

And no, creating on the PS3 first does not help the situation...since it takes so damn long to get even a prototype up and running that you've burned through millions of dollars before you can even get a feel for gameplay and it DOES NOT make developing on the system any easier.

Can the fanboys take a deep breath and recognize Sony needs to FIX some problems and that everything isn't the fault of developers?

[jwatt]

You right, it's not all the devs fault, most of the blame goes on Sony. Two things Sony could do, one of them they are all ready doing. The first is Use your first party development team to show of the power of the ps3. Letting third party devs see what can be done on the ps3 like with nba 08 60 frames 1080p. Second actually go out and help third party developers which I'm not sure if Sony is doing so well.

[Amplifier]

Sony is not going to devote time and money if the devs REFUSE to start on PS3 first then port the X360.

That's the problem is devs will start all of their products on the X360 but not the PS3...they will lose in the long run.

Maybe MS is waving the royalty fee for developing it on the X360 first since MS knows that is weakness to the PS3.

Food for thought, think about it.

@10 - I don't care what they say, the obivously are not doing that, point in case of all the other games that have NO problem running in 60 FPS @ 1080p no less.

@mp

[erosevaporator]

I forgot that madden '07 only came out....for...ps3....Oh wait. Dude, look at the game on a 360. Madden 07 sucked JUST as bad as it did on ps3. So you blame them not putting new features in on the ps3? How exactly that makes sense, I will never know. The same game SUCKED on two DIFFERENT systems, and so common sense would lead me to believe that it was developing, not hosting that lands this steaming pile of poo in our laps EVERY YEAR. Same as activision with Tony Hawk. Add one thing, make it look pretty, and BOOM! Now THIS justifies a NEW release, not just a 1.1! I mean, we added a HIT STICK for the love of god. You know how hard that was? To add a HIT STICK to madden 06, and then change the booklet and cover art to 07?!?!? That was some hard crap!

Screw EA, and their Madden series. It sucks balls. They are the reason I haven't played a decent football game in a LONG time, what with them deciding they were just gonna buy the rights to everything. whatever. Looks like they (EA and John Madden) are a match made in heaven: They are both old, tired, overrated pieces o' $4!7.

[UrbanJabroni]

No they are not. Period. The End. Get over it.

[jwatt]

Like the dev said we should look at the entire experience, not just the one aspect.

[Blankman]

please these have nuthin 2 do with tools. Its jst laziness on the part on the developer. Sure its easier 2 clock the 60 fps on the 360 but that dosent make it impossible on the ps3. hence the laziness. They must not feel the time and effort are worth their estimated sales. Unfortunately i am one of those ppl dat feel madden plays better on the ps3 controller but i wasnt even plannin on buyin madden dis yr so i cud care less

[BIadestarX]

You are no developer to understand the development cycle or what it takes in terms of resources and money to make a game.
Lazy? right... here it how it works... Game developers make games to make money... the PS3 can be the most powerful console in the planet... but that does not matter if it will cost them more money and resources to push the hardware than they are going to make?
Why should EA spend 20 Million making a game for the PS3 so they can make 15 Million... instead of making a game for the 360 for 10 million and make 30 million?
There is no lazy... there is only resources.... it takes more people and more money to make a game for the PS3. In other words... if it takes 50 people to make a game for the xbox 360... it takes 75-100 to make a game for the PS3. Now... Why should 3rd party developers spend the extra resources when the xbox 360 version will sell more copies? Do you actually think that developers assigned to PS3 projects want their games to suck? Ofcourse 1st party developers with huge budgets will do better... also noticed for how long Killzone 2 is being in development... 3rd party developers do not have that luxury... they need to ship games... as fast as they can.. for the least amount of money. And sorry to say it... the PS3 is a money/time hungry system to develop for.

[Blankman]

agreed the resources arent there and i am no developer but i doubt madden requires too much effort to make. I understand no point puttin in the extra effort if the sales wnt be that great. LIke i said i could care less madden 08 will be the same as 07 and i have 07 so dnt care. Congratulations to 360 owners me included but unfortunately i am not a big fan of the 360. A lot of this has to do with the controller. If ur not playin a shooter its almost useless. I think its stupid to build a controler based off shooters.

[Seraphim]

aren't we talking about MADDEN here? The game that generates a billion dollars in profit annually? Easily surpassing 10 million units moved annually. The argument of it being a matter of money takes the back seat when you're talking about a game like Madden. Then again, with a game like Madden you'd expect to see a more price friendly MSRP annually and we all know that isn't going to happen because EA needs ALL the money they can get for their awful spending spree of tens of millions on crappy movie licenses... Yeah, a bit extreme. The point is Madden is the best selling game ever and pushes so many annual sales it's ridiculous. They can easily take some money [if that's the case] and get this team rolling the PS3 version at standard specs...

[WafflesID]

Uhm, not when the install base for the PS3 isn't That big. Why spend billions of dollars to please the small minority of ps3 owners.

By the time Madden 09 comes out, the user base for the PS3 should account for a higher percentage of users, so its worth spending more money on the development.

This is all speculation of course. MAYBE just MAYBE there is a hardware limitation they ran into and had to cut the FPS. It is quite possible that the 360's 3 general purpose cpus are just better suited to something like a football game. Who knows...Certaintly nobody here. We can talk out of our butts all day, but the only ones qualified to really say anything about it are the ones who aren't speaking.

So just accept it and move on.

[highps3]

Being as I only have a Ps3 probably will pass this year. No biggy, not like much has changed from 07, which ran just as crappy...

Definately not picking up a 360 just for Madden..

Cant wait for E3, might make a lot of developers look REALLY dumb...

[Snake_Doctor]

No biggie.

[Lord Anubis]

its not that the PS3 can't do 60 frames per second, its EA that doesn't want to dedicate the time to optimize the PS3 version and improve the game with more content and a well oiled engine.

EA Doesn't want to dedicate time for the PS3 because there aren't that many consoles out there compared to the other systems so why should they spend more time and make the better version. They have the space and they have the horsepower to make the best version. Why should PS3 owners care about EA's offering. If they don't want to dedicate time for the PS3 version, PS3 owners shouldn't dedicate time to EA's games. Agreed?

[23478ueyur_938223]

Everyone knows this, the people posting the negative stuff are just trying to piss others off. Continually pointing this out won't stop em, man! But I'm sure you already knew that.

[SF49er408]

That sux, 60 fps is pretty clean, ncaa last year sucked u could see the glitchin, plus the gameplay wasnt great. still both r gonna look nearly the same. but hey i got a 360 so im pretty happy /////// but its mainly disturbin cause thats rthe one thing kutagaria and all the ps3 overlords were sayin, 1080p, 60fps ultra high def but no 3rd pparty can pay for that, only works when u spend 20 mil

[23478ueyur_938223]

Kinda lost you near the second half but agree that 1) 60 fps is smoother and 2) the games will probably not be too far off in terms of how they look.

[warfed]

who complains about 30fps? you watch movies at 24fps and never care... I guess the 360 runs those games faster but will you see a difference?

[ImWithStupid]

a true 60fps, if the xbox 3fixme has framerate problems with less intensive games Im sure you will see some nasty framejumps in the game.
No thanks, and Blankman is right,everyone I know loves the PS3 controller for Madden and will look at you like you said something about their momma if you even mention the 3fixme.

[WafflesID]

There is a HUGE difference between 30 and 60 fps in video games. much above 60 and your eyes can't see the difference.

HUGE difference. Anyone who has played first person shooters on the PC at a pro level wouldn't dare let the frame rate dip below 60.

I personally would turn down the visual settings as much as needed to keep games like Call of Duty above 60 because it DOES make a difference in your aim.

Movies and TV are 30 fps (its 60, but because of interlace you have to display the same image twice which is effectively 30fps) because of technical limitations in NTSC broadcast bandwidth. Entirely different situation. Plus you have motion blur in the still frames of the movie to compensate for the low FPS which tricks your eye into seeing smooth motion.

[tehcellownu]

they most really suck at coding the ps3..lol..

[nextgengaming18]

I'm pretty sure the ps3 version will be having 1080p resoloution while the xbox 360 won't. I don't know, but that may be the case. Otherwise,it will be obvious that the xbox 360 will have the better madden game, if the ps3 version doesn't have better graphics.

[WafflesID]

That could very well be it. Maybe its the native 720p vs native 1080p that is the difference. *shrug*

But how could you possibly know if the ps3 is really running it at 1080p or if it is going to be upscaled?

[gnothe1]

60 on the 3(60) an 30 on the PS(3) lol, this isnt the first time this has happened!!

another thing(off topic) its been said that the Ps3 is a more powerful gaming system than the 360, well... what I want to know is how did people come to this conclusion. what have we seen that says "wow"the PS3 is definitely more powerful than the 360. is it because it can play Blu ray movies,or because it can fold(non gaming application)what? I really want to know what gives sony or anybody else the idea that the Ps3 is more powerful!! is it because it says it on paper!! example!! if I can bench press 500 pounds an you can only bench press 350 pounds that makes me stronger than you!! if I can run 100 meters in 11 seconds an you run it in 14 seconds that means I'm faster than you(you get the idea) what has the PS3 done to SHOW that its stronger than the 360. I know one thing, alot of sony boys claim it, but by what grounds!! everybody KNEW the xbox 1 was stronger than the PS2 because it showed an it showed convincingly. so whats the problem here. was there any dispute that the SNES was more powerful than the sega genesis, nope!! it was obvious when you looked at the games. so with that being said, what are you guys going by when you say the PS3 is more powerful!!

[TheExecutive]

well we will find out at e3 whether it is or KZ2, Lair, HS, and Uncharted all seem to be the showcase titles of the ps3. From the new videos of lair, HS and Uncharted I think critics of the ps3's power will be quick to shut up come e3, but we will have to wait and see.

[FullyLoaded420]

You'll be hearing ALOT of..."JUST WAIT" or "WAIT TILL" or "This is WAITING"...

or some BS about some FUTURE game in about 3-4 years or something......

[TheExecutive]

umm... so whats the resolution gonna be? the same for both consoles? I dont know.. anyone? Anyway, this has nothing to do with the capabilities of the ps3. For some reason EA thought it best to run the ps3 version at 30fps not 60.

[FullyLoaded420]

But...but...It's the ALMIGHTY PS3!! Its supposed to be the "SUPER COMPUTER"....it has Blu-Ray!! It will blow the 360 right out of the water!!! 4-D Graphics!!....

eh...Nevermind, i'll just "WAIT"...

PS3's New Motto should be: "This is Waiting......"

note to self: Sell PS3 and buy the iPhone!! YEAH!!

[nextgengaming18]

With a comment like this, I doubt you even own a ps3.

[FullyLoaded420]

YES....I do own one, it has an extra controller and about 6-7 months of dust on it. Wanna buy it from me?? I havent touched it since LAUNCH. I had Resistance, but i quickly traded it for God Of War 2.

Its yours for $599. or trade for iphone. Let me know, K??

EDIT: @ nextgengaming18

"buying something i clearly hate"??

I am a first and foremost a GAMER!! Do you really think I bought a PS3 cause i hate it?!! I bought it @ Launch cause I was EAGER and EXCITED like ALOT of other people. i am a proud owner of ALL consoles and also a MAC and PC owner, so NO fanboy here. Yeah, I talk ALOT of SMACK about the PS3...so freakin what!! It OVERPROMISED and UNDERDELIVERED......Even Ray charles can SEE that!! All I do IS SPEAK the TRUTH and i do get a KICK out of getting under the skin of SONY FANBIOTCHES!!

ps: $400 and its yours, but i get to keep God Of WAR 2.....DEAL??

@ nexgengaymer18:

Lookin up my past comments?? Can u say STALKER?!!

Anyways....Super stardust?!! Thats the best you can give me??? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!
im currently playing: Forza 2, Overlord, the Darkness, Lost Planet (online), NBA2k7 (online), Dirt, and Flatout ultimate Carnage on my 360...

What are YOU playing??!! Wait, Let me guess....Resistance?? MotorStorm?? and the new one...(chuckle) STARDUST!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I own a PS3 and playing a DAMN PS2 game God of War on it....wouldnt you sell it?? agree or disagree?

[nextgengaming18]

I want you to suffer for buying something that you clearly hate. I don't understand why you would buy it if you hate it this much, but from your past comments, and this comment you really don't like the console. I already own one, but won't mind another one if the price is right. I'll give you 300 $'s for this one.

[testerg35]

I own one too and its collecting dust since launch also. Have RFOM and Motorstorm which the kids don't touch.

"but won't mind another one if the price is right. I'll give you 300 $'s for this one"... if it only cost that much then Sony wouldn't have such a problem selling it and that's what it should have cost in the beginning.

[nextgengaming18]

My ps3 has also been collecting dust until thursday. You should buy super stardust hd, it is a really awesome game.

Anyways, fullyloads really is lying. I looked up his previous comments, about killzone 2, uncharted, heavenly sword, littlebigplanet, warhawk, and many other games. All he had done was troll. I was trying to say this in a not so subtle way so I won't get 100's of disagrees.

Also, I'll give you positive feedback

[warfed]

now I can see this site is full with xbox fanboys where are you guys in the video comparison of darkness??

[genericname]

so tell me what rez is the 360 version?

[Anything but Cute]

XBOX 360 will have a smoother... crappy last gen rehash! What else is new? Have you people seen screen shots of Madden 08? It's the same sh*t, it's the same game every year. Madden is for casual gamers, do you expect ground breaking stuff from a developer who is bringing Madden 08 to Wii, PS2, PSP, Gamecube and Mobile.

Give me a break... Casual gamers will buy this game like they do every year for the console they own. Won't be surprised if the PS2 version still sells the most.

[DrunKao]

Madden is for casual gamers. That is true.

[Rythrine]

PS2 has a bigger install base and also, the so-called next-gen versions were letdowns.

[Bloodmask]

These games will only add to the virtual avalanche of games that are constantly better on the 360.

The RSX just can't compete with the highly advanced GPU in the 360. Not to mention the 360 has far superior architecture dedicated specificly for game coding. This will lead to better graphics and framerates every time.

All you fanboys need to get over this supposed power of PS3 issue already. The proof is in the pudding. All the excuses are getting kind of stale now.

The hype train has been derailed. Get over it.

[nextgengaming18]

I'll be subtle on this, you don't know anything about the cell. The ibm prototype of the cell was significantly changed for the ps3 for gaming purposes. I don't understand where people get this idea from that the cell is not for gaming from. I wouldn't want the ps3 cell proccessor on a computer because it will simply suck. It is not made for Operating systems either.

I'll link you to info that you clearly need to learn to even comment on something like this.
http://domino.research.ibm....
http://www.blachford.info/c...

[waitbeyond]

Nice one...

[Bathyj]

A few minor points.

You know how PS3 fans use the old lazy devs line? Well there are no lazier devs than EA, thats worth noting.

They never mentioned rez at all. Just wondering.

The guy admitted EA have had a year head start on Xbox and we all know PS3 wasnt the lead as it should be for best results.

Its true, if Sony can do it, why cant they? If devs are having problems its in their best interests to get some help. I'm pretty sure Sonys doors are always open.

I think its funny you're always trying to convince us PS3 is inferior. What you never realise is we buy PS3 to place PS3 games (I know, what games? HAHAHA you're so FKN funny) not multiplatform crap like one more version of Madden.

One last thing, anyone who spends more time or get more pleasure picking on PS3 than they do play there Xbox should slap them shelves really hard, now.

[jib]

you do realize that majority of the games that come out are multiplatform games

[waitbeyond]

First, it was Ubisoft being lazy
now, it is EA...
who's next?

[toughNAME]

the ps3 fanboys excuses im seeing....thats just sad

if they start a petition i will sign it...its just so..pathetic

[Anything but Cute]

The article also mentiones 2k sports and all pro football. But come on... 2k sports couldn't carry EA's jock strap.

[The Karate Kid]

I own a 360 and PS3 and I just have to admit that this is wrong. Please understand that I am a BIG SONY FANBOY but this is Sony's fault. Sony allows crap like this to happen. 6 months ago Sony should have been all over EA influencing them to insure that there version was *SUPERIOR* utilizing Blu-Ray and running at a silky 60 frames per second. Madden is a HUGE SELLER and SONY neglected it, just like the must have exclusives. So I wont blame EA im just going to blame SONY. And I love the PS3. This is a blow that will hurt momentum, we have ninja gaiden sigma then Lair and then a Inferior madden 08. Just sucks. Well I guess I will be buying the 360 version of *ALL PRO 2k8*. This is a problem that Sony recognize and they need to resolve it, because someone made a good point in there comment, WE SHOULD NOT BE PAYING $600.00 and be playing inferior versions of multiplatform games................... SONY YOU NEED TO FIX THIS NOW!!!! All im going to say is this, KILLZONE 2 BETTER LOOK LIKE THAT DAMN TRAILER or Im going to stop rooting for SONY. KILLZONE 2 BETTER BLOW AWAY ANY GAME ON 360 OR PC or im not going to believe in SONYS vision. I am tired of these damn hiccups and SONY allowing this to happen!!! Who in the hell is in charge. HURRY HURYY E3 please get here soon!

Oh and by the way IM TIRED OF THE SYSTEM BEING OUT 9 MONTHS NOW and I STILL CAN"T HAVE MY OWN BACKGROUND WALLPAPER...IM STILL SICK OF NOT BEING ABLE TO READ MESSAGES WHILE IM IN A GAME, IM STILL TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SEND INVITES TO MY FRIENDS ACROSS ALL GAMES (SOMETHING THE ORIGINAL XBOX WAS DOING HALF A DECADE AGO) IM SICK AND TIRED OF THAT WACK PLAYSTATION STORE (ITS BORING AND IT NEEDS MUSIC) IM SICK AND TIRED OF WAITING FOR THESE DAMN GAMES TO COME OUT. IM TIRED OF WISHING I HAD RUMBLE IM TIRED OF WISHING I HAD MORE RPGS IM TIRED OF BEING TIRED WITH THIS DAMN SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!! NOW HURRY UP WITH THE FIRMWARE UPDATES AND GAMES AND LETS GET THIS PARTY STARTED

360 GAMES (ONLY EXCLUSIVES AND TIMED EXCLUSIVES)

BLUE DRAGON
BIOSHOCK
HALO 3
ACE COMBAT 6
LOST ODDYSSEY
GRAND THEFT AUTO 4 (EPISODIC VERSION)
PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 4

PS3 GAMES (ONLY EXCLUSIVES AND TIMED EXCLUSIVES)

UNCHARTED DRAKES FORTUNE
HEAVENLY SWORD
LAIR
NINJA GAIDEN SIGMA
KILLZONE 2
METAL GEAR SOLID 4
RATCHET & CLANK
TIME CRISIS
HAZE
UNREAL TOURNAMENT 4
PLAYSTATION HOME
SOCOM CONFRONTATION
WARHAWK
TEKKEN 5 ONLINE

[Anything but Cute]

Another video comparison and fanboys saying I told you so? Or like I said, PS3 version could be better in it's on way if EA actually takes the time to make use of other PS3 stenghts.

Edit: Wouldn't it be safe to say already, that frame rates is not the PS3 strenght? You look a game like Motorstorm even, which had some sick visuals better than XBOX 360 but most of it came from the backgrounds and lighting effects, it didn't strike me as having amazing frate rates.

[toughNAME]

lol
your fanboyism is showing!

EDIT
good..you changed your idiot comment

[power of Green]

It has been said by ATi and other leading techies that once devs learn the multi core... multi thread hardware of the 360 it will do 1080p and 60fps better than PS3. I made my first enemies quoting techies saying the 360 will outperform the PS3 in the end and PS3 games will never look as good.

PS3 is good at counting rocks in exposions tracking them and making sure they bounce alittle longer before they vanish, thats it!.

When will Sony fanboys realize Sony market their consoles with an old school style (trick the ignorant consumers knowing they don't care as long as you tell them what they want to hear).

[funkysolo]

lets talk about halo then, how come it looks like crap and games like lair,heavenly sword,uncharted are running at 60 fps and at 1080p, how many games coming on the 360 are running at 60 fps and 1080p= none. I will wait to see Madden08 before I pass judgement. frame rate doesn't mean better graphics and the 360 might need to run at 60fps to match the ps3 graphics, so don't be fool by the article until we see the actual product

[cartman313]

I'm not sure about Lair, or Uncharted, but Heavenly Sword is only 720p 30 fps.

[Nervsys]

Interesting that you'll reserve judgement on the quality of the XBox verson of Madden, but compare a Halo Beta to unreleased Sony software, that you DON'T reserve judgement on.

I guess this is how Sony's "Just Wait" marketing works. As long as they can convince some of you that someday the PS3 will be worth it, you'll jump right on board and spend the wait doing whatever it takes to justify your purchase.

[power of Green]

Most new 360 games run at 1080p. I'm thinking Ninja Gaiden 2 will run at 60fps and 1080p max. Team Ninja has always been talented.

Why attack EA blaming them?.

All-Pro Football 2K8 - (PS3)
All-Pro Football 2K8 - (Xbox 360)
Madden NFL 08 - (PS3)
Madden NFL 08 - (Xbox 360)
NCAA Football 08 - (PS3)
NCAA Football 08 - (Xbox 360

[ER1X]

4 of those 6 are made by EA.

[sumfood4u]

Just get ready for some Football!

[FeralPhoenix]

yeah 60fps is nice, but its a damm football game, for the most part you will barely ever notice the difference between 60 and 30, I mean as long as there are no major framerate slowdowns/glitches then you likely won't be able to tell the difference. I'm a huge NFL fan, I usually buy Madden every yr, I don't particularly like EA, and now with All-Pro from 2k coming I have a tough descision to make about which game to pick up. I own both consoles but I will pick up the 360 version, whether it was 30 or 60fps just because, well uhm I'm more comfortable with football on 360....but if I prefered or only owned the PS3 then it wouldn't matter if it was 30 or 60fps I would get the game if I love football games. -This is a big deal over nothing, really.

[xg-ei8ht]

If you believe this you'll believe anything.

PS3=30fps,lmao. and from 1up of all places, comical.

For 360 to do 1080p, it would have to be upscaled, why you might ask.

Because it dosent have the bandwidth, Lost planet maxed that out(quote from the devs that was,lmao)

If lost planet was on ps3 you'd have 1080p 60fps. easily.

Gonna say this only once. so listen up.

The GPU inside the 360 is not as advanced as you think, the edram is.

is 4aa free at 720p? NOPE, 2aa is . At 1080p 360 would have no aa.

PGR3 is rendered in 1024x600, and then upscaled. Most awful filtering i've seen. ouch. trilinear all the way,lmao lmao lmao.

Now onto this article.

lmao lamo post,lmao lamo post.

What you xbots fail to realise, your graphics, gameplay will never get any better.

Uncharted alone owns any xbox360 game there is, and yes i've played it hands on.

[Lex Luthor]

What a tard.
*sigh*

[jack who]

your post could not have been any more sonyfan boy...

lets see 3 360 games have been made to run at 1080P

The GPU[vs rsx] inside the 360 is an advanced+the edram.

and forza 2 did 4aa 720p with 60fps.

PGR3 is rendered in 1024x600 why cuzz they had no time.wait for pgr4.

[Uncharted alone owns any xbox360 game there is, and yes i've played it hands on] lol i bet you have i list game out rite now that kills Uncharted but i dont feel lik it.

[Antan]

"and forza 2 did 4aa 720p with 60fps."

No it didnt. It has 2xaa 60fps during gameplay. During replays it has 4xaa @30fps. Do keep up now.

[erosevaporator]

But I own both systems, so really it doesn't matter, even if I did want madden. People get way too much into this. Who cares? You own a ps3, okay. You own a 360? Okay. Awesome. Can we please get on with our day, here. Who cares what's under the hood, let's look at how it drives, like we are supposed to. I wouldn't be surprised if none of you owned a console, and just bashed each other for the hell of it.

[Bolts]

Good thing I paid $600 for the best HD format player on the market or else I would be extremely pissed right now. In terms of gaming, this is a slap in the face to Sony from one of the biggest publisher in the market. If Sony have any balls at all they would scramble to counter or at least do some damage control on this PR blackeye.

I'm happy with my PS3, no I LOVE my PS3. For the money right now it is without a doubt the best HD media device on the market and a great deal for the things it can do. As a gaming machine, its crap. All the games so far doesn't impress at all. But then again, Xbox 360 games doesn't impress me much either with the exception of a VERY few numbers of titles like Madden. My PC totally destroy the Xbox 360 in terms of shooters and RPGs, two of the Xbox 360's biggest strength.

The console war isnt over yet, both Sony and MS really need to do more, much more. They can start by stopping the nickel and dime charges for downloading game content. I get updates like map packs and even major mods like Insurgency for free on my PC. Why should I have to pay for a handfull of maps on the console??

[hikikimori]

Jeez, well good for you 360 owners if it's true that Madden will run at 60fps.
I personally though, could not give two $h1ts, as American Football games
suck balls. Repackaged and regurgitated, year after year, and sold for the same price as the last one, with very little changes.

Ok NFL fans, hit me in the bubbles!
(Real Football fans give me some back! :) )

P.s. If you play too much Madden, you may end up looking like these guys.....

[Rythrine]

Kudos for 360 for the 60fps. But if you're a hardcore football fan, would you care? Football games are like the Halo 3 of hardcore football fans. We don't care about the looks, we care about gameplay. I'm a hardcore football fan and I play madden for months until the season's over, whether online or offline. I care more about my team and players stats. I care about winning in every damn game. Madden is a very complex game. You have to be alert every second. You have to know when and where to press the right buttons. If you sit there and watch every animation, you'll be buried every game. I could careless if the PS3 has 60fps, if it doesn't have the gameplays and audibles of the PS2 version, I'll pass on the PS3 and get the PS2 version instead. The only thing that I can give the PS3 version is the graphics, that's it. Gameplay-wise, it sucked. As for EA, yeah they're lazy and cheap but why wouldn't they, they have no competition. See the disadvantage of monopolizing the industry? They can just milk it every year. They know their games are gonna sell. Seriously, this is business. PS3 has 3.5 million owners. How many of those would buy madden. I'm sure its not gonna sell a lot in Asia or maybe even Europe so why would they spend money, time, and effort to get it to run to 60fps for the ps3? I'm sure when sales start picking up, EA will get off that couch, dump that cigar, and start doing their jobs like they're supposed to.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

The ps3 has the most powerful processor in the galaxy and this fact is evident by the amazing 30fps games, crappy on-line, and shoddy graphics. Splinter cell was anal probed on ps3 in terms of graphics.

[Armyless]

I was going to ask you a question, but I noticed you have 1 bubble and couldn't respond anyway. To bad you wasted it on a dumb comment.

[jack who]

wat you guys dont get is 60fps on 360 means they can add more stuff to make the game ever more better.[looks and gameplay] but you cant do this if you can only ran it at 30fps can you?

[Antan]

Are you on crack? are you old enough to take crack?

edit-: Im sorry, did i need more? .....

[jack who]

all you got?

[WafflesID]

*edit* nevermind

[JCDenton]

Well, this is EXACTLY what killed SEGA SATURN - it was too difficult to develop for, meaning the games waren't there. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HARDWARE, IT'S ABOUT SOFTWARE. If you don't have the software, the hardware WILL fail.

Someone already said this: PS3 is maybe the most powerful console of this generation, but if it takes too much time and effort (and money) for developers to make games for it, then it CAN'T win this war, especially when there are very tough competition out there (X360 and Wii).

EDIT:

@icechai

You forgot that SEGA was the market leader back in a day when Saturn was made. Also, on-line gaming wasn't so huge back then (there almost wasn't any on-line features on any console. Dreamcast was the first console with on-line capabilities).

@anh_duong

Those were different times. Gaming industry grew MUCH bigger in the last 8 years. Today it's all about how much quality games you can deleiver in relatively short period of time. PS3 definetely lag in this category...

[icechai]

Huge difference compared to Saturn: larger user base, better and more abundant first party games, online infrastructure, but yeah, I agree on the rest of the points :P

Edit:

@JCDenton

But you also have to consider that Sony's user base is greater in age range, interests, as well as a couple million stronger. The market leadership of the Sony brand is on a whole different level (not to mention they don't rely only on games like SEGA, but a whole line of electronics and entertainment companies)

[anh_duong]

opposite is true of dreamcast and ps2 though - the ps2 was more difficult to program than the dreamcast

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Hello JCDenton, I thought I sucessfully killed you and thwarted your attempt to control humanity thru that Helios thingy. I must destroy you again.

@ASSASSYN 36o: According to Sony, PS9 enters your mind whether you are willing or not, the device just has to be in your hand. I guess PS13 will try to do a galactic takeover of Milky Way(It will fool people into thinking they are playing awesome ultra realistic games when they are actually fighting real life battles)

just kidding

[JCDenton]

You can't kill the almighty JCDenton! Bwahahahaha... ;) :)

BTW, I liked the first Deus Ex WAY more than Invisible War...

[FirstknighT]

The Darkness, Rainbow 6: Vegas, Call of Duty 4, and now Madden 08, All-Pro Football 2K8, and NCAA Football 2008. All these games are better on the 360. How many more games is it going to take to get you sony idiots to understand that your precious all mighty ps3 is a bust??? Keep busting out excuses morons. I'm playing the best multiplatform games on my 360 while your $600 ps3 gets sloppy seconds.

Disagree all you want morons but I'm stating fact! Pressing that lil disagree button is not gonna change the fact the ps3 is inferior to the 360!

[xfrgtr]

The fact is youre the one who is inferior,I feel sorry for you
Xbot you should read this,again:"We want to make sure that we give the best experience we can on each platform. In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. Football is an extremely challenging sport to replicate because of the number of people on the field, their interaction, and the scope of the environments. As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play."

[funkysolo]

even if true, PS3 gets the same multiplatform games even with small differences, I could care less it's still going to be the same game. The reason I bought my PS3 is because all the great epic games are coming to the PS3 and they all look better graphic, gameplay,story and over experiance. All the 360 has are FPS and the only game I play on it is Gear of War but it's getting old just like all the FPS, it's like playing the same game with a different costume. The way I see it 360 doesn't have any games out either. If you like shooters then the 360 is your machine, if you want the real games then you want a PS3.

[kevin1122]

I'm just curious how call of duty 4 is better on the 360 since there is pretty much no information other than lately. And btw, the darkness is better on the ps3, i guess you missed the comparison video gametrailers did.

[THAMMER1]

No matter what excuses you have or how much we wait this will not stop the present from being true. Just be men or ladies and give props where it is due. The 360 was made to perform and so was the PS3.

The PS3 is just not going to be what was on paper from E3 2005. As Sony enthusiast you should know the hype is apart of the game for Sony. 30 fps will not bother people that much. Just let the Hype go and take things for what they are.

[N4GayFanturds]

It's hard to do 60 FPS with 4D graphics, so 60 FPS/3D graphics < 30 FPS/4D.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

haahahaha, I suppose PS3 works very hard at controlling time the fourth dimension

@360 Fans, my 360 is getting a little hot, I could use some help now, so please gimme more Fan power

[MyNameIsNotRick]

cus it sound's like you read Ender's Game. Have you?

[rowdy 1]

Is not going to put a whole lot of effort into devoloping games for a system they don't want to understand. Look at some of the games that are coming out for the PS3. They look damn good. Very good to be frank, but then you mix in a few sorry ports that don't even compare to a Motorstorm or a Lair and you realize that the developer didn't give it all they could. This falls totally on EA. Madden 2007 looked like sh!t on both systems and they never push the bar on graphics with Madden, but to push one console over another that's just weak. I really do want to see how the Ps3 runs a 30 frames. It might be better than the 360 at 60fps. I mean if SOny can make NBA 07-08 look like it did and does. What's stopping other devs. I guess they can't get away from last gen hardware.

[Marty8370]

Whether at 30FPS or 60FPS it still sucks.

[kalistyles]

This is why I'll be playing only my sports games on my 360 instead of my PS3. Now notice not exerything is all good for my 360 though. Here are my reasons. 1) Because of framerate. I think sports games with faster framerate are indeed critical for overall smooth playing. 2) If I play anything else for to long (aka GOW!), my 360 will break and I'll have to send it in again for the 3rd time. 3) I've just regulated my 360 for sports and thats it. I want my machine to last so I'll just play sports on it from now on. Now I love my 360 and my PS3, but I love the fat that my PS3 runs like a Fararri and not a Pontiac. So I have to let my 360 just play sometimes and not all the time so I wont have to bring it in for repairs. Know what I mean everybody! Anyway cant wait for E3. Bring on Killzone 2. Cant wait for August. Bring on Madden for 360! I'll be waiting everybody.

[kevin1122]

It would be nice if more people were like you instead of the raging fanboys of all sides.

[reaperxciv]

THats right EA Sports Sucks,

[felidae]

30fps is not the ps3's fault

[THWIP]

...a console can't be blamed, because it's an inanimate piece of plastic. The blame falls squarely on Sony's shoulders, for pathetic dev support. PERIOD.

[donscrillinger]

i dont have an ps3 anyway but this is funny .cuz you cats brought an 650 dollars failure..

[sony4life]

sorry ment to agree. its like that movie field of dreams. IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME!! they built it i went and didnt recieve anything but a load of BS games that right now cant hold a candle to the 360. thats why i bought one in the first place was to have the best games cough cough mass effect, too human, blue dragon oh and lost oddessy

[cartman313]

Too Human...lmfao...I watched some gameplay footage. They should probably think about changing the guys animation. Looks like he's been watching too many Tae Bo videos. Oh, and he runs around like a male human from World of Warcraft...

[Xeoset]

*Sigh*

I pity you Sony Fans, really, I do.

You're just trying to justify a $600, well, I would say brick, but I'm going with couch thanks to size difference.

Why blame EA? They're lazy? Hell no! They're doing their job, it's not their fault Sony thought it would be a great Fu(k1n9 idea to throw a load of tech in that is not only inferior to standard technology to that in the 360, it's hell of alot harder to work with.

For all you know EA has done the best they could and are around 80% not to blame. Blame Sony for the dumbarse that thought he could win a war with a hype train of 'ZOMG! C377!!!11!'.

Now please, attack me, flame me, try to justify your shoddy machine, your worthless games and retarded selves, because, it's all you are worth. Instead of playing a system and enjoying life itself, you're here b17(h1ng about a framerate because you don't have it! Go outside!

[cartman313]

Mmm...I bought my ps3 cause I don't have money issues. I would totally pay another 600 if I could have Heavenly Sword right now!!!

[Nervsys]

... you're obviously Sonys main market.

Someone willing to spend $600 on a promise rather than a delivery.

[reaperxciv]

in every aspect

[MK_Red]

I think EA is being lazy since its really not that hard to make good ports to PS3 and make both version play and look the same, just like Oblivion, R6 Vegas, Darkness and other titles. I think this shows rather weakness of designers not fault of a system. Thats a huge, difference between 30 and 60 fps and with other multi PS3/360 not having such a problem...

[no_more_heroes]

that its easier to take data thats grouped together and split it up evenly among processors that, individualy, work differently than it is to compile individual pieces of data into one big group of data? Whatever you say, Bob.

[jack who]

this is a lil game for you guys called find teh funny.
click on the attach image:)

[sony4life]

why is the madden challenge only on the 360? i dont play madden but i watch that $hit on espn and would like to try it out if i ever get that good:(

[ThaGeNeCySt]

aahh... this won't sway anyone's purchase really... but i think it's time for sony to step in a little bit with these 3rd party developers... I can't condone the whole "we can do it, why can't you?" attitude anymore

[rowdy 1]

Yeah I agree 60fps has nothing to do with the PS3> seems like Ea got tired. But Madden sucks any way. NCAA is where it's at.

[codeazrael]

I would be in hiding too after hearing news this bad. So let me get this straight, Sony's story had gone from wait and see, to now it's not their fault, it's the developers fault? All that means to me is that those 120fps games that harai lied......i'm sorry promised us arent coming any time soon. shame.................Nah, Nah, Nah nah nah, Nah............Hey, Hey, Hey..........Goodbye.......... .Sony!

[Expy]

This is how EA and Ubisoft are able to unload so many games during the course of a year, quantity vs quality.

[THWIP]

1.) Sony using this stupid excuse: "We have already proven that sports titles can run on the PlayStation 3 at true HD with 1080p output with NBA 07," says Dave Karraker, Sony CEA's senior director of corporate communications. "If you have questions about specific third-party games, you should speak to those publishers."

Um...yeah. Basketball is played in much smaller arenas, to much smaller crowds, with less than 1/2 of the players; not exactly a smart comparison. When you have 22 players (vs 10 in basketball), 80-100k active fans (vs 20-50k in NBA), and action taking place on a 300 ft field (vs 90 ft in basketball)...it takes a lot more effort to get to that 60 fps mark.

2.) It's Sony's responsibility to see that everyone who devs for the PS3, utilizes the hardware to maximum efficiency. They don't bother, which is why MS is known to have far superior dev support, as well as dev kits (in XNA). Sony promised 1080p, 120 fps, and 4D...and stated that "the next generation of gaming began when they said so". Sorry Sony, but just like last gen, your platform comes in dead last in quality, on multiplatform games ; you're not in a postition to dictate SH1T.

[Cosmo]

I'm getting a little sick of getting inferior games when I folked out $1000 on a console. It probably is the developers but still, the supposed awesome power and graphics of the PS3 have to show. There no games out there apart from motor storm which I would consider next gen.

[Boink]

this news has gotta hurt...

[sak500]

EA's lazy, Ubisoft is biased, Capcom is money hungry, so who else is left for you sonyfanbois to blame for your inferior console crappy multi - games? I wudn't laugh at crappy games on Wii cuz from start they said its hardware is not upto the next gen consoles standard and were honest about it.

But its funny to see games fail on ps3 compared to 360 due to the fact that your stupid leadership was trying to fool everyone into thinking that their supa dupa computer ps3 will take over the whole world as the "next gen console". Screw you sony and your lies.. How does it feel now Ken?

Edit: @ guy below: The hate came due to the lies from Sony, i had a ps2 and never bought an xbox. When 360 came out i bought it cuz ps3 was kept getting delayed. Then the sony BS hype started about the next gen will start when we say so and you know the rest E3 05 fiasco etc. I've been enjoying next gen on my console for past 1 1/2 years and the sony camp has yet to deliver anything called next gen except for one game motorstorm. Been out for 7 1/2 months and people r still waiting.

[Lifendz]

the dark side is strong in you. How did so many of you go to flat out hating Sony when I know the majority of you owned a PS2?

[kevin1122]

So what is your excuse then when games are better on ps3, it goes both ways.

[Nervsys]

The key word in your question is when.

As you probably know - we're still waiting.

[TruthHurts]

Madden 08 runs a 30 frames on the ps3, because its inferior, NO.
So NGS runs at 60fps because...... why?

Is Madden 08 technically "tougher" to dev for than NGS? NO.

this is the last week of all the Sh@t talking. e3.e3.e3.

[Lifendz]

is that while EA started the 360 model a full year in advance before they began the PS3 model of Madden, All Pro football began designing for each console at the same time and built the game from the ground up on both. So can we really say that EA is lazy when 2K did the same thing and started both at the same time? This is probably due to PS3's underpowered GPU. 60 FPS is more than likely possible, but why work harder to get those kind of results for a system with a small installed base?

[Snake_Doctor]

"60 FPS is more than likely possible, but why work harder to get those kind of results for a system with a small installed base?"
Because there is an extended market waiting for a good football game on the PS3. The PS3 fanbase will buy good games as shown by RFOM but there are many people waiting for more games on PS3 because of all the stories of 360 failure rate. Oh well PS2 FTW again.

[LightofDarkness]

This ia a grim sentiment from EA as regards the PS3. Saying "we believe the best possible experience on the PS3 is 30FPS" is basically like saying the best possible experience on PS3 is an inferior one. A bit insulting, but I only dropped about €350 on my PS3 when I bought it in the states at Christmas (everyone else in Ireland pays €629 ie. BIG RIP). I can safely say that my PS3 is worth €350, but €600? Not when developers like EA pledge to bring an inferior experience to a superiorly priced (as in higher priced) console.
And no, the "dem devs jus dam lazeh" argument isn't solid anymore. People who say "u cant jus port over 360 code to ps3 cuz ps3 needs it first because its more powerful and needs extra attension" must understand that this is also a load of bull. It's not like they ripped C# XNA code and stuck it into the PS3's development language. That's impossible, the thing wouldn't even compile. Perhaps they use similar logic routines, but do you know why that is? It's because those logic routines are what make games work. For a lot of them, there simply aren't multiple ways to do them, where one works like crack on the PS3 and enables 120FPS at 1080p. A lot of that logic can only be done in limited permutations and if the PS3's architecture is not suited to those routines (as we've heard conutless devs and techies state before about the Cell's incompatibility with gaming routines), then the game is going to suffer. OBVIOUSLY. Yes, there are certain things that can be done better than other machines on PS3, things that are accelerated by streaming optimisation, that's stuff like media encoding/decoding, streaming fragment programs (as some people call them "shaders"), and rigid body vector calculations. But look at that stuff. Very little of those operations that the Cell is very suited for actually apply to gaming in a noticeable way.
Don't talk about development or "dam lazeh devs" if you don't understand it, which clearly far too many people don't here. If yuo're going to try to quote tired old arguments like these, at least understand what it is you're talking about.

[codeazrael]

Ken Kutaragi stepping down was equivalent to a politician resigning claiming to spend more time with family. Utter B.S. He stepped down so he wouldnt have to be forced out because of his poor execution of the ps3 strategy.

[Bordel_1900]

Lord Anubis wrote: "its not that the PS3 can't do 60 frames per second, its EA that doesn't want to dedicate the time to optimize the PS3 version and improve the game with more content and a well oiled engine. EA Doesn't want to dedicate time for the PS3 because there aren't that many consoles out there compared to the other systems so why should they spend more time and make the better version. They have the space and they have the horsepower to make the best version. Why should PS3 owners care about EA's offering. If they don't want to dedicate time for the PS3 version, PS3 owners shouldn't dedicate time to EA's games. Agreed?"

Agreed.

And I really don't care about american football, why do you call it football when you grab the ball with your hands? Crazy ppl.

Also, there are lot's of sweet games coming for the PS3!

[codeazrael]

Sony couldve adopted xna just like others but they didnt want the ps3 to have anything to do with microsoft. Now they are paying for it with poor multiplatform games.......well, poor compared to the competition.

[THAMMER1]

WTF does this have to do with nationality. Why are you disrespecting the USA. JAPAN made the PS3 no the USA. Why would a game you have no interest in make you show such emotion and weakness.

Now if some country comes into your land to kick you @ss you will be begging for our help. All this stupidity over video games and you want to blame the USA.

[BIadestarX]

We can argue all day long... and it goes down to the games.
Here are the facts... there is nothing to argue.
As of today (unless your crystal ball is 100% accurate and you can travel to the future to play PS3 games) the xbox 360 has the best game library, the best 3rd party support, Sony still trying to catch up to gears in terms of graphics (that was on development before the xbox 360 hardware was finalized).

You Sony fanboys keep looking for excuses... I undertand if we were be talking about 1-2 developers or games... but we are talking about every single 3rd party developer and their games look the same or better on the xbox 360. So, every developer is being lazy? How can that be possible? Are you saying that 3rd party developers sit down and planned how bad they are going to make the PS3 version?
Heck, even games released months after on the PS3 look inferior.

It's also funny how while you fanboys are still waiting for a PS3 that blows gears out of the water you forget that gears is relatively an old game that was on development way before the xbox 360 was released. What make you think that Gears is the best that the xbox 360 can produce?

You are all counting on 1st party games to be the one making superior games... but explain to someone that don't care about Killer Zone and like sport games.. that they have to pay $200 to play Madden on the PS3 when the xbox 360 version is better.

[The Real Joker]

an absolute excellent point. Bubble.

[ironwolf]

A small lesson in business operation. I'll keep it simple since most of you seem to have not yet graduated junior high (grammar and spelling give you away.)

1. EA has a schedule to keep. It must turn out its Sports games by a certain date every year. Slippage of more than a couple of weeks is verboten.

2. Development resources must be divided between three consoles.
XBox 360: 10 million potential customers, easy to develop for.
Wii: 6 Million potential customers, easy to develop for.
PS3: 3 million potential customers, hard to develop for.

3. Only small, incremental improvements can be instituted. (That time limit again.)

4. All versions will retail for approximately the same price.

Now, if you are allocating the resources, do you:
A. Allow the PS3 team to reduce the frame rate to make schedule.
B. Allow the PS3 version of a 2008 season game to slip to 2009 in order to make frame rate.
C. Throw more resources at the version with the least potential for profit.
D. Tell Sony to call you back when someone actually buys their damn machine.

Clue: D. is my personal favorite.

[LightofDarkness]

That hits the nail on the head from the business perspective. And EA didn't become the software giant they are today by siding with struggling platforms simply based on respect and the possibility that it might be more powerful than the others. Put this together with my post up a little further on this page and you gain a clearer insight as to why multiplatform and even platform exclusive titles are having a hard time with the PS3.

[reaperxciv]

i agree totally

[Xi]

excuse # 6
lazy developer.

[zonetrooper5]

Sony fanboys, EA while they do make some crappy games they also make some amazing games. The fact is, Sony is not giving enough support to third party studios. If you want EA, Ubi etc to expose the power of the PS3 then Sony has to provide much better dev tools. Hopefully at E3, Sony will annouce that they have made the dev tools even better and easier to use.

As for the 360 version getting 60FPS thats good for them, Madden sucks btw. Oh well, I do love getting 100FPS on CSS, with 4xAA, all high settings and i'm running it in HD. Them old bulky CRT have been running in HD for around 20 years now.

[Bordel_1900]

@THAMMER1

wtf what are you on? get that bug out of your ass. Who's disrespecting the US, is anyone blaming the USA for this, lol? that's ridiculus!

[chrisin3]

This is just another PS3 isn't as good as the Xbox 360 because of this game or that game article. Granted, it can be annoying for ps3 owners to see that the games which release on both consoles are usually better graphically on the 360; however, there are also enough articles, movies, pictures and such that show how outstanding the graphics on some of Playstation 3's upcoming first party (or exclusive third party) titles are . It's a toss up really. Eventually things will most likely improve for the third party releases on the ps3. Until then, you can complain about it, make excuses for the ps3, or if it really bothers you, you can go buy the Xbox core model and get the game for the 360; although, I know some Sony fans would not dream of betraying their console brand of choice. Blind allegiance my friends...blind allegiance.

[chasegamez]

watch out 360 owners if you think your 360 wont burnout now there a 60%
chance now running at 60 fps which the 360 cant handle get ready for those red rings

[Sully907]

As a ps3 owner i am disgusted by EA,60 frames on NGS,60 Frames on Virtua fighter 5,This is absolutely rediculous they can't do it on madden,I swear if i see any slowdown in the game...

[Kokoro]

Saw all the oopla, so there it is. It's better for each platform to have it's own speed. If the Playstation went to 60fps, it might have been laggy and so on. but now it runs at what it's most comfortable widthband, You have to give the developpers time to adjust.

No they are not lazy. And the people saying so is nowhere to judge, cause they don't know squat about what goes in making a game. We're not talking something that made by just looking at the console and POOF!!! We're talking continous work from many angles from all the studio.

Think about it; 2k is making a game that people have something to play on their respective console. But you already refuse it saying it's lazy ass work, just because it's a tad different on a opposing console.

Well if you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't complain afterwards that you don't get games on your system, when you don't support the games that come out on it.

[anh_duong]

some people accuse those of having faith in the ps3 as blind allegiance.. not really.. i just want a console that still works after three years and is still around and still supported by sony in six or seven years - not something i could exactly say about ms and it's 360.. if the average age of an xbox is around one year and the failure rate is 25% then by simple markovian maths around ONE in TWO xboxes will be dead by the third year.. yes, 1 in 2 360s will be dead in 3 years.. for me this is a frightening piece of statistics.. i heard that having your xbox 360 die is a nightmare - especially with all your content screwed up and DRM (downloaded games) problems.. couple this with ms well publicised built-in obsalescence business model then you could say investing in an xbox 360 as blind allegiance..

more importantly, i have worked at Electronic Arts i know that they are suffering in understanding the cell. why are they suffering?? ea works on a very strict schedule - this is their business model.. apart from spore ea works on churning franchises out on a regular basis.. ea have just not had enough time as per their schedule to work on the ps3 - you can't just release madden 08 in 2008! hence we are seeing the compromises.. developers can overcome this problem - we saw it with ubisoft on vegas.. so i am not so concerned.. i have faith in developers.. once the engines are properly built and optimised then the games with deliver.. we are on the first generation of games here.. if developers could not maximise on the ps2 in the first year (the learning process was over 5 years) then i think the case is especially true for the much much more complex ps3.. give then time, the console war is a marathon not a sprint..

i have faith in ea and sony.. i have faith in ea providing me with the games..

[Xi]

did you buy a ps2?

[chasegamez]

f u ea madden sucks anyway
ps3 go get All-Pro Football 2K8
ps3 go get All-Pro Football 2K8

[WANDA]

everyone get along. now.
i said NOW

[CrazzyMan]

just very big deal.... =))
i mean, it`s good that x360 has 60 fps, it`s a plus. But 30 fps for ps3 it`s nto a minus, it`s a standart for most console games. =)

anyway, i lookig forward for new info from MGS4, FFXIII, KZ, HS, Uncharted, Lair, Ratchet, pain, LBP, socom, getaway3, 8days so should and you all. =)

another multiplatform, on console, which 19 month on the market, that perform better? so what? x360 ftw? LOL.
maybe you really think, that same thing will be for next 5 years? it`s more like next 5 years ps3 will have in most game 60fps, while x360 only 30. PS3 for the future(near future)! =)

[chasegamez]

what about warhark if u like socom youll love warhawk

[jlytle1234]

im willing to bet the next madden game after this will be 60fps. Well that is if someone jumps in to challenge EA. What the consumer needs is for EA to get some competition in the NFL area. Just look at the hoopla for nba live and sony's nba 08 or fifa 08 and pes 08. I can guarantee if there was another nfl game on ps3 that ran at 60fps, so would madden. And madden isnt really that big of a franchise. Americans buy it but the entire world buys soccer games. Thats where the big money is at. So basically this game was just slapped together for the ps3 as an afterthought to make a dollar. And i bet if ea released the amount of time it spent on one console version versus the other. I bet most of the life of this game was being developed on xbox and then ported to ps3. Then they ran it at 60fps it didnt work and said oh well screw it move it to 30fps. We gotta get this game out before the season starts.

[San anto]

2k sports own EA sports

[Aass]

Football games suck.

[MyNameIsNotRick]

Do you Sony fans think it would have been better for EA to work on it for several more months and release it in 2009 at 60fps. Give me a break. This is a anual game. These games are on a tight schedule. Imagine what would happen if they released Madden this fall on the 360 and "finished" the PS3 version only to be released later.

Also, NASA and PIXAR have very powerfull computers. Maby even as powerfull as your PS3:) Nonetheless, they are probably not very good gaming machines. Power does not = gaming performance.

[Crotin]

NASA and Pixar don't make games, and who's actually tried to run a game on a supercomputer? If it did, Pixar's renderfarms have over 1000 processors each with a NVidia Geforce card...Power = great performance if it's made correctly. That statement doesn't even make sense...maybe power doesn't guarantee great performance but the power is there for anyone who's man enough to put it to use.

[MyNameIsNotRick]

"and who's actually tried to run a game on a supercomputer?" Arn't all PS3 owners trying to run their games on a supercomputer? I mean wern't we all told that that's basicly what it was? It may be a supercomputer, but it may not be the best system for games. Do you understand that?

Yes, I know power is good. But, if the power is not reasonably accessible for what you want (good games), then it is useless. Does that make sense?

Also, I know PIXAR and NASA don't make games. I do bet that one hell of a game could be created for their supercomuters. It would also be rather pointless to spend so much money creating a game for such a small user base (1 or 2). It would also be stupid for EA to spend allot of money obtomizing a game for a comparitivly small user base of which even fewer even buy games.

[Red]

have we been informed of some multiplatform game being superior on 360. At the risk of offending someone, let me ask the PS3 owners a question. Outside of Sony admitting inferiority, what could convince you that the 360 is a better gaming machine? I would really like to know, cause one more year of articles saying gameX or gameZ "looks smoother and runs better on 360 can't help your continuing assertions that Sony has a more powerful machine, just take our word for it attitude.Its weird, because thats basically the way sony is selling the console to you,"Its got potential, just trust us", or the way chicago cub fans keep saying,"wait til next year". This is getting old. The 360 is better, and I play all three next gen consoles and can say that with the utmost confidence. Oh, and go 2K.

Edit

I know I am only 30yrs old, and perhaps that only allows me to clearly remember console gaming from maybe 20yrs ago, but I just don't get the wait and see mentality. The original xbox came out of the gate with atleast two games(DOA3 and Halo) that the ps2 could never(see lifetime) match in terms of graphical fidelity. It doesn't take an astounding stretch of reason to see that the proof is in the pudding when it comes to gaming, but it does take an astronomically astounding leap of faith to keep blindly believing that your console will be the first to ever suddenly become super, and not to just accept it as a good console and nothing more.

[TheExecutive]

Well, i guess what it would take for me is if the ports are still better a year from now. I really wonder how many console generations some of you are from, first year games are always inferior, always. I do think they made the ps3 a little too difficult to develop for, but thats sonys fault. I know some developers such as Factor 5 said it was a sinch but most multiplatform games are better on the 360, which speaks volumes. So what will it take? Time. You people think 8 months is enough time to see if a system is superior or inferior? give me a break.

[slugg]

How many people are saying this discrepancey is because "devs are lazy." Why should game developers spend more time to make a better port/version for PS3, when there are not enough PS3's sold (in North America, especially, when you are talking about football games) to make it worthwhile? I half expected to hear that 360 was running these games at 60fps in 720p, and PS3 ran them at 30fps in 1080p, but guess what? That is not the case-- on both systems they are running at 720p. So, for whatever reason, if you like the football games (I don't), looks like the 360 will have the best versions this year, and probably every year to come. Like some whiny sony boys point out- but, but, the 360 has been out a year longer! No duh, dipsh1t, Microsoft planned it that way. They looked at the two advantages the PS2 had over the original XBOX-- out a year earlier, more developer support so more games overall and more exclusives-- and did everything they could to take that advantage away with the 360. And you know what-- Sony LET THEM, being too busy shoehorning in blu-ray and reacting to its competitors (adding tilt at the last second in reaction to nintendo, trying to counter Xbox live, etc.) Also, kind of as an aside, I dowloaded Pan's Labyrinth off of Xbox Live video marketplace in HD and watched it last night-- great movie. But it occured to me-- what "advantage", at least for movies, is the PS3's built-in Blu-Ray player, when I can download a movie and watch it the one time I would ever watch it anyway for $3.00, while buying it on blu-ray (Is this movie even a blu-ray release?) cost $30.00? Doesn't MS and the video marketplace make the whole blu-ray/HD-DVD thing moot as they can release ANY move they get the rights to for download without regard to format?

[anh_duong]

"But it occured to me-- what "advantage", at least for movies, is the PS3's built-in Blu-Ray player, when I can download a movie and watch it the one time I would ever watch it anyway for $3.00, while buying it on blu-ray (Is this movie even a blu-ray release?) cost $30.00?"

downloaded movies also don't look or sound as good as blu-ray (up to 50 gigs - ever tried downloading 20 gigs? hope you have also got a lot of disc space on your 20gb xbox).. you might not believe me but my blu-ray setup is considerably better than the quality i get in my local cinema (my view isn't unique here since a lot of people agree with me).. 1080p movies on a 52 plus inch lcd tv in full rgb is fcuking awesome..

BUT most importantly, one is a rental and the other one is for keeps.. how can you possibly compare the two? honestly your statement is a little bit silly here.. by your argument nobody should be buying dvds these days..

[Premonition]

Its funny how this dev uses how the frame rats differ because of things going on in the game and all this other excuses, when you have games like Heavenly sword pushing 30fps probably or even 60fps at the end of its development with so much things going on in the environment its not even funny, when you have what, like 11 or more people on a small field with crowds using like the same people 50x, and you say you cant pull 60fps on PS3, thats bull, and I know people know it when you look at the big picture.

[TheExecutive]

yeah and lair running thousands of soldiers onscreen with dragons and environments that are 32km x 32km. oh yeah, and it will look better than madden too (anyone that disagrees with that do your research and see the latest videos). but its definitely because of the ps3's power that its only running at 30fps. Of course, the people that say the ps3 isnt as powerful dont really know what they are talking about, now do they?

On a side note, i am going to buy madden for the 360, it looks like the superior version :)

[paracardium]

be a whole pile of extra stuff to do on ps3 version.

[testerg35]

I remember when PS3 fans made a big deal because Virtua Tennis was gonna be 60fps... and now its who cares it only football at 60fps.

[BADBOYEK4]

Is the #1 selling sports franchise on any console to date,it sold millions on sega gen,super nintindo,PS,PS2 and xbox.There is no sports game that I know of that out sold Madden in a single year.PS American football is a real contact sport.Soccer is a bunch of grown men with Biker Shorts on kickin each other in the balls.

[ironwolf]

No balls to kick.

[Funky Town_TX]

Here we go again. Fangirls will buy their system no matter what. BTW, 60 fps is > 30 fps all day long.

[mikeslemonade]

Madden is definately getting extra money from MS. A developer always always wants to make the game the best it can be on both systems.

[Maddens Raiders]

- have had my fill over the years and this isn't going to stop me from playing on the PS3 (however the ending is shocking). I don't need Todd Sitrin to tell me that EA dev's aren't ready to put the work into the mighty PS3 because he's proven that time and time again with NBA Live, Need 4 Speed Carbon, Tiger Woods and comments like these:
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Oblivion producer speaks warmly about his PS3 version

-- "Craig Lafferty is a man whose hand we'd like to shake. The PS3 version of Oblivion is a shining example of what is possible when you bother to learn the PS3's complex architecture. A lazy port, this was not. Mr. Lafferty is senior producer for the PS3 Oblivion and says the PS3's guaranteed hard drive was extremely helpful in "optimizing things like load times." He also advises that the Shivering Isles expansion is "being worked on," but could provide no details on "when or how" they'll get that into our eagerly awaiting hands. The interview is a bit modest in its comparisons to the earlier Xbox 360 version, but after reading numerous glowing reviews, we all know graphical differences abound. Unfortunately, no news about Oblivion for the PSP. Mr. Lafferty would only advise, "nothing new to report on that at this time." Well, no news is good news, right? (gulp)" http://www.geek.com/the-eld... --
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Hopefully Todd Sitrin and Yosuke Hayashi don't meet up in some back alley Fight Club because it won't look good for the head of EA with this:

Team Ninja supports PS3, complaining devs get out
Posted Jun 14, 2007 at 10:38PM

--"Ninja Gaiden Sigma director Yosuke Hayashi has spiritedly defended the PlayStation 3 in an exclusive interview with Eurogamer - and all but confirmed that Team Ninja will be working on further titles for the platform.

Speaking in London yesterday, Hayashi slammed developers who complain that the PS3 is difficult to create games for - saying that "if they think it's difficult, they should get out of the ring."

AdvertisementResponding to a question about whether the team had found it difficult to transition from working on the Xbox to the PS3, Hayashi said, "there are some developers who have complained about the difficulty of developing for PS3. But, I am a creator, a developer - and by making a product, we receive money from the players. We shouldn't complain about the difficulty."

In other words, it's their job, and they're just getting on with it.

Hayashi responded in similar terms when asked if the team, which has recently focused most of its efforts on Microsoft's platforms, plans to extend its support for the PS3 in future.

"As I said, people who complain about the difficulty of creating games for PS3 should get out, right?" Hayashi commented. "While I'm saying that kind of thing, if I get out myself, then what I say doesn't mean anything! So, I should stay - right?"

Given some of his earlier comments about plans for the SIXAXIS controller in future games, it seems almost certain that Team Ninja has plenty more in store for Darth Vader's George Foreman Grill down the line. We'll have the full interview with the outspoken Yosuke Hayashi, as well as our impressions of Ninja Gaiden's PS3 outing, available for your reading pleasure in the coming days." http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
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And who can forget the head of Gears of War, Mark Reins saying?:

Rein takes on PS3's critics-

-- "Epic Games VP Mark Rein has taken on Sony's critics, saying that he believes the strength of the PlayStation brand and the company's ongoing strategy will ensure PS3 is a success.
Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz in an interview at GDC last week, Rein said, "Sony has a very, very strong brand, so in my opinion, they're still the one to beat.

"The Wii is an impressive piece of hardware, but as you get the visually more impressive games coming out for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, as the marketing dollars get turned up to support the larger quantities of machines, with potential price drops and titles like Singstar which appeal to the larger market... Those machines will ignite, they'll take off, and they'll sell just fine."

Rein's comments came after Phil Harrison's GDC keynote speech, during which the Sony Worldwide Studios boss unveiled PlayStation Home and exclusive title LittleBigPlanet. "It looks like they've got some pretty cool stuff coming," Rein said.

"As the big titles come out, they're going to sell a bunch of machines. When PlayStation Home comes out, they'll sell a bunch of machines... Yeah, it's a high price, because it's a new, high-end piece of equipment, but history shows that price will come down. They'll sell lots of them, it'll be fine."
Rein questioned some of the criticisms which have been levelled at Sony in recent months, particularly with regard to the amount of PS3 stock currently available in US stores.
"So wait, if they don't have enough machines in stores, that's a bad thing? If they do have enough machines, that's a bad thing? Pick one!
"People just seem to want to take a smack at [Sony], and I can't figure it out. They're the leader, so I guess they have a target on their back."

He also had strong words for those who have accused Sony of following in others' footsteps. "I read on a developer forum, one of the guys who worked on PlayStation Home said they started designing it in 2004. So when people say things like, 'Oh, they announced this new piece of software! They just copied so-and-so!'. What, you think they just made it last week in their basement?"

According to Rein, there can be a tendency amongst industry professionals to take an insular perspective, and fail to recognise the attitudes of the typical consumer. "The gamers out there, they aspire to buy a new PlayStation," he concluded." -- http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
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....so why I stated from the outset it won't bother me, it's because I know when multi-plat games are really made for the PS3 (UT3?) they shine, when they're not they seem to get stuck with an EA logo. Oh yes, I am planning on making my annual purchase of the newest Madden installment as always (with V. Young gracing the cover - Go Horns!) and will play contently on my PS3, because Sitrin told me,

-- "... the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play." --

lol, w/e Sitrin -- 360 owners rejoice in yet another clear cut victory for the console from EA -- I have nothing against you, but contempt for the man that comes out and tries to console PS3 owners with lies and excuses. It's just sad that I'm moving further and further away from the brand and my beloved, beloved Madden.

PS3 owners is it time for a (((BOYCOTT))) of all things EA until they "get it right"? or is that a little extreme? I'm willing to forego this year's Madden if you are. It would really hurt, but I'll do it. Let me know, because the writing is on the "WALL" - viva la Team Ninja!

P.S. - some bubbl3s would be nice guys. calderra, contra 26, SPAWN, THWIP, topgamr, elitegamr, Jda2Kballa?, POG, martin, and the rest of the KLAN are killing me. =]

cheers

[aiphanes]

I just heard that the Madden 2008 for the PS3 is native 1080p and 30 frames per second...so this is actually better than the 720p and 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360.

[gnothe1]

the reason I think the 360 is a superior GAMING system is because almost all multiplat game looks an run better on the 360.now think about this for one second!! your a developer building this game on the 360, you got massive textures,using alot of ram, 60fps, the works, an it all runs fine. now its time to build this same game on the PS3,now you start to realize that you cant get this game to run as stable so now you have to cut back the frame rate, or use less memory, or a different texture procedure to get this game to work.now as a developer you just figured out that the PS3 cant do certain things better than the 360, but you dont say that because if you say that one console version is better than the other you run the risk of not selling many copies of the lesser copy!! so what do you do, next time around! make the PS3 the lead system, because once your done building this game on the PS3, you know theres room to spare on the 360 its not gonna hurt the quality of this game!! why are so many developers making the Ps3 the lead system, not because its better!! but because the 360 can handle anything the Ps3 throws at it ports wise, but the PS3 cant handle what the 360 can run!! if you build a game on the 360 using 70% of the 360s memory pool your gonna have one hell of a time doing that on the PS3 because it dont have as much memory as the 360!!

also someone stated that you shouldn't expect a console just released to perform better than a system thats been out almost 2 years!! can you say xbox 1 an PS2!!

[Dogswithguns]

just cracked me up over the frame rate.

[Itachi]

why not just play the greatest sports game ever Pro evolution soccer

[Naruto]

the wii version was the best last year and again it will be the best again this year

[BADBOYEK4]

Is just like a PC,On a PC game you have the option to your graphic settings on high,but your PC RAM,GPU and CPU must be strong to handle those high graphic settings and keep a 60 fps framerate.Now if your PC cant run a steady 60 fps with the graphics settings on high, you will have to turn your graphic settings down until you reach a steady 60 fps but your graphics will take a big hit.This is the problem with the XBOX360 and the PS3,the Xbox360 can run madden with the graphics on high at a steady 60 fps.The PS3 cant run Madden at 60 fps with the graphics on high, so in order to keep the graphics on par with the Xbox360 they had to drop the PS3 to 30 fps because the graphics will take a big hit at 60fps.

[Azures]

Nothing less than a slap in the face. You specifically make the version for superior hardware run slower?! How about you man up EA and make the ps3 version 60fps and 1080p.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL all the PS3 fans spewing the same crap ass excuses, "LAZY DEVS" (devs been lazy for a long time now huh?) and I see "RING Of DEATH" "RING OF DEATH"!!! to cover the PS3s weaknesses.

Anyway What ever heppend to "we can run games at 120fps"?
http://www.gamespot.com/new... I mean hell cant get passed 30 so how they ever going to get 120.

DEVS!!! DEVS!!! DEVS!! it's all the DEVS fault blame them "break out the pitch forks, hang em and burn them at the steak". No don't blame Sonys sh!ty console blame the devs they did it.

EDIT: see what I mean, the "lazy dev" excuses keep rolling in.
Why are devs only lazy on the PS3 and not the Wii and 360?
You know the "blame Canada" song from the Southpark movies replace the "blame Canada" with "blame the devs"

PS3 fan excuses for the PS3
Number 1 through 50 is all blame the devs.
It's not the the PS3, it cant be the PS3, I dont want it to be the PS3, I cant accept it NO! NO! NO! I WILL NOT!!! WHAAAAA WHAAAAA(kicking and screeming on the floor) I know I'll just say somthing about the ROD.

You know guys I give you sh!t but even this "XBOT" can see the faults of his console of choice but you Droids are in downright denial (denial is not a river in Africa) It wouldt matter if Sony themselves said it you would still claim it not true.

"blame the devs"

[RoseSapphire]

Easy answer. Lazy developers.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

We all seen it done in 1080p with NGS(madden is 720 right) , yet we are still in the early years of ps3 so next year will be a better judge.Yet its the same game every year for years so how many of us true gamers care wat madden does..it is EA they have been rushing games for years now...a madden every year is nuts...why not just update the rosters..

[MoonDust]

and it keeps happening over and over again.

[dale1]

if they cant get this to run at 60 frames then they must have some dumb ass devs working there
theres an old saying pay peanuts get monkeys and thats what youv,e got working on the ps3
sh*t a college grad could get this game to run at that
cry engine this cry engine that if you can,t write code you can,t do sh*t what ever engine you want to use
we ain,t got the tools i hear them cry design your own you lazy ass sh*ts

[lazy gamer]

i hate football video games...i don't care which version is better, they all end up sucking anyways... actually watching the NFL is better than playing these games...

these games are just sorry excuses for people who had their team lose the superbowl and want to change history.

[Dragonopolis]

Do not buy Madden 2008 for any system you have period including PS2 or dual or triple console owners (owners of Sony consoles that have Nintendo, Microsoft, or both). EA is forgetting that PS2 owners are still in the majority and that Microsoft doesn't have enough Xbox 360 or Wii to compensate for all those PS2 that carried EA.

I noticed EA lack of quality games, starting with Madden 2006, and swore not to buy another EA product and guess what? - I haven't really missed not being able to play football. There are plenty of other games that have kept me occupied. If Sony owners would revolt, new and old, EA will feel it. If I truly miss any EA game it would be the Burnout series, however, I don't necessarily put any credit to the programming geniuses but to my addiction for driving games not matter how low tech it may be (give me original Spy Hunter any day or even Pole Position)

At least now there is a football game out that can feed the void for all you football addicts. All Pro Football actually looks to be a decent football game - enough to satisfy your addiction.

Strike now and you Will hurt EA. Not all Xbox 360 fans will buy Madden 2008 and Wii install base for Madden will definitely be small (just not the right kind of people).

EA forgot that it was the PS2 crowd that carried them then Xbox.

I do work at developing games and it doesn't take anymore people to program for the PS3 as it does for the 360. However, it takes the right kind of people. Problem is EA from day one has been kissing Microsoft's but, even going out to say that the PS3 sucks go buy a Xbox 360. How can a company expect to hire decent Programmer/Coders for the PS3 when they themselves are bias, even hostile, toward the PS3.

People here say that the PS3 sucks, yet time and time again games come out that prove otherwise. I remind everybody that Xbox 360 had zero games at this time after its launched that could run at 1080p at 60 fps. Xbox 360 had no launch title that came close to Resistance or Motorstorm.

I don't care what company you don't hire more people to program/code a system just because it is different, you hire more people because you have goals/deadlines that keep. Part of the learning curve for the PS3 does slow a company down, so to compensate, they hire more people to make the schedule. However, eventually people will learn how the PS3 works and will be able to create games with the same amount of people they did before AND get it out in time. The whole point is EA decide not to go with the "hire more people" probably because they felt PS3's install base wasn't high enough.

Where EA went wrong is to skimp out on the 60 fps. It would have been easily forgivable if they had kept the PS3 at 720p at 60 fps. Resolution differences are not as big as FPS differences. In other words, FPS hit is worse than a resolution hit.

Come on EA, I know the PS3 is a new beast and that you don't have the best coder/programmers in the business - even when you supposedly do know what your doing.

Think about it people, if EA took 2 years to get it supposedly right on the Xbox 360 (when it is supposedly easier to make games for it), how long do you think it is going to take them for a new console that is totally different from the supposedly "Norm".

Ban EA, I have. I've had my Xbox 360 since Feb 2006 and I don't buy any of their games. I suggest you do the same. They will get the clue when all they have is part of the Xbox 360 and a very small part of Wii to support them.

Not having 60 fps because it gives Sony fans "the best experience" is another way of Flipping you the finger because they don't want to spend the money to get it out at the Proper frame rate on time.

EA is not the Gods of Programming. Their word on programming for any system means crap to the rest of the industry. The PS3 is capable of 60 FPS with an incredible amount of AI and objects on the screen. So what if you can't make 1080p - that's forgivable.

Not having 60 FPS in a fast moving action/sports game on a machine that is capable of it is not cool.

I'm out of here.

[ArmrdChaos]

Maybe you can start a petition....

[Drew]

Yep, that's right. Don't buy Madden, or any other games by EA, for that matter, on the PS3. That'll really convince them to put more time and money in to development, right? I mean, when I'm not making any profit off of a platform, I'm encouraged to just get right off my ass and put even more money into it.

...Riiight.

[IvIoss]

get pooped on.

[Black Republican]

It's because the hardware on the ps3 is better, that's why the x360 version has a better frame rate.

[dale1]

just a thought if sony said no ea that aint going on our system it ain,t up to scratch
go back and try again

[psycho360]

Then EA would say "go fc ken and his damn machine, we aint loosing more money on potential 1 million sales"

[PS360PCROCKS]

Omg that update is amazing. Thank you EA you just showed how stupid you think we truly are. Fast moving = needs lots of frames. So fuc* you and your "trade-offs" what sort of trade off would be better than a smooth frame rate in a fast moving sport? HDR, the crowd, grass? Bullshi* just get it right. YOU SUCK!

[Drew]

I see a lot of confusion here. I think we should all read this again:

"Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July)"

Not just EA, and not just Madden. I have a hard time believing that every single dev on the face of the planet is "lazy". Sorry guys, but what difference does it make if all the games are made by "lazy" devs? Doesn't that mean that the better games will always be on the Xbox 360? Food for thought.

[JIN KAZAMA]

this is EA afterall.

[testerg35]

Its not just EA. Its also 2k Sports. So I guess you can call them lazy too.

[TheMART]

So yet another multiplatform game that's better on the 360?

Jees.

They keep them coming, don't they? This must hurt. It just must hurt. I can't see how much more Sony fanboys could take. Paying 33% more in consoleprice and getting 50% less in quality.

NICE TRADE-OFF!

[weekapaugh]

"50% less in quality"

lol.....so funny to see x-kiddies grasp at straws.

[Naruto]

The wii version will be better than 360 version

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol yeah and the players will look like legos, come on bro. The Wii is not next gen don't come in here with that crap.

[SlappyMcTaint]

Lazy-ass EA just churns out the same games every year with a few "added features" to justify adding another year to the title and selling it as new. Screw them if they can't figure out the PS3 -i don't play Madden anyway.

[Naruto]

30% failure rate 360 hahahahahahhha

[TheMART]

100% no games for PS3 hahahahahaaa

Really. It's starting to get funny how Sony fandroids react on bad news on PS3 games... They feel weak and are trying to put up anything that makes them feel better.

Funny how you show to everyone you're weak

[Wile]

HAHAHA, good one. (sarcasm off)

[ironwolf]

Attention Idiot Fanboys.
A small lesson in business operation. I'll keep it simple since most of you seem to have not yet graduated junior high (grammar and spelling give you away.)

1. EA has a schedule to keep. It must turn out its Sports games by a certain date every year. Slippage of more than a couple of weeks is verboten.

2. Development resources must be divided between three consoles.
XBox 360: 10 million potential customers, easy to develop for.
Wii: 6 Million potential customers, easy to develop for.
PS3: 3 million potential customers, hard to develop for.

3. Only small, incremental improvements can be instituted. (That time limit again.)

4. All versions will retail for approximately the same price.

Now, if you are allocating the resources, do you:
A. Allow the PS3 team to reduce the frame rate to make schedule.
B. Allow the PS3 version of a 2008 season game to slip to 2009 in order to make frame rate.
C. Throw more resources at the version with the least potential for profit.
D. Tell Sony to call you back when someone actually buys their damn machine.

Clue: D. is my personal favorite.

Edit: I realize this was waaaay over the heads of most Sony fanboys, but hey, that's the "modern" education system for you.
You, there! Sit down and take your Ritlin.

[Raptors]

Im a 360 owner but far from a fanboy. This is one of the rare times that someone actually understands why things work the way they do. *Post above* Sorry PS3 owners, I think you guys are getting upset at the wrong ppl. You should be mad at Sony. The PS3 is a fantastic machine, however, it is not nearly as easy to program for as the 360. Sony should've done a better job at providing tools for developers to work with. As noted above, developers will churn out the best product based on time and budget. Since it will take extra time to do that for the ps3 somemultiplatform developers will not find it profitable, especially since there's 3 million ps3's and 10 million xbox 360's. As time passes and the ps3's install base grows then maybe things will change.

[P4KY B]

So according to Sony fans Ubisoft are lazy
EA are lazy
Capcom are lazy

If they are all lazy then they could all have been lazy on the 360 versions too.
Imagine what we could get on the 360 if all the devs weren't lazy.
Maybe we could see 4D graphics at 120fps.

NO WAIT, I'VE GOT IT!!

SONY ARE LAZY. THEY GOT CAUGHT WITH THIER PANTS DOWN AND NOW MS ARE GIVING IT TO THEM FROM BEHIND.

[Naruto]

too bad i own a 360,wii and PS3 hahahahhahahhaaaahhaahahhh

[FeralPhoenix]

If both versions were 30fps and was fun to play, would anybody be upset that it wasn't 60fps?

If you like football(American) as much as I do, then just get Madden, All Pro, or NCAA and have some fun with your buddies.

I think Sony fans should be careful about boycotting dev's, especially EA, love 'em or hate 'em EA and Madden are huge....more casual gamers play Madden than any other game, seriously I love football too, but I know plenty of gamers who think Madden is God's gift to gaming, when I go back to my hometown, every yr during football season there are usually 5 or 6 Madden parties/tournaments, with guys betting big money on Madden, not kids, guys my age. Why? well its simple like I said American's love NFL football and being able to play with your favorite teams and favorite players is special to them. If EA went "exclusive" it might single handedly change the "war" as we know it. The good news is that most casual gamers don't know or care about 30fps, as long as its the latest Madden they will be happy. Madden will sell the only two questions are will it be better than last yr? and will the sells be a little better or worse than last yr?

[gnothe1]

what I want to know is WHAT MAKES THE PS3 A MORE GRAPHICALLY POWERFUL MACHINE THAN THE XBOX360!! is it the cell, because the cell doesnt handle the graphics the RSX does, nobody knows the specs of the RSX so what are they basing there facts off of.what makes the PS3 all so mighty!! please sony boys answer that for me!! because I have yet to see the superiority from my PS3

[THAMMER1]

It is like mystery sauce. You just think it is good because they tell you it is. LOL J/K

[RaceSIMS]

ps3 can run well at 30 best,and 60 for X3 to run well as best sounds good to me, i believe they want to best game play on each system as he said,

[Maddens Raiders]

Won't bother me. I've been playing Madden since '88 and have had my fill over the years / and this isn't going to stop me from playing on the PS3 (however the ending is shocking)this year either. I don't need Todd Sitrin to tell me that EA dev's aren't ready to put the work into the mighty PS3 because he's proven that time and time again with NBA Live, Need 4 Speed Carbon, Tiger Woods and comments like these:
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Oblivion producer speaks warmly about his PS3 version

-- "Craig Lafferty is a man whose hand we'd like to shake. The PS3 version of Oblivion is a shining example of what is possible when you bother to learn the PS3's complex architecture. A lazy port, this was not. Mr. Lafferty is senior producer for the PS3 Oblivion and says the PS3's guaranteed hard drive was extremely helpful in "optimizing things like load times." He also advises that the Shivering Isles expansion is "being worked on," but could provide no details on "when or how" they'll get that into our eagerly awaiting hands. The interview is a bit modest in its comparisons to the earlier Xbox 360 version, but after reading numerous glowing reviews, we all know graphical differences abound. Unfortunately, no news about Oblivion for the PSP. Mr. Lafferty would only advise, "nothing new to report on that at this time." Well, no news is good news, right? (gulp)" http://www.geek.com/the-eld... --
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Hopefully Todd Sitrin and Yosuke Hayashi don't meet up in some back alley Fight Club because it won't look good for the head of EA with this:

Team Ninja supports PS3, complaining devs get out
Posted Jun 14, 2007 at 10:38PM

--"Ninja Gaiden Sigma director Yosuke Hayashi has spiritedly defended the PlayStation 3 in an exclusive interview with Eurogamer - and all but confirmed that Team Ninja will be working on further titles for the platform.

Speaking in London yesterday, Hayashi slammed developers who complain that the PS3 is difficult to create games for - saying that "if they think it's difficult, they should get out of the ring."

AdvertisementResponding to a question about whether the team had found it difficult to transition from working on the Xbox to the PS3, Hayashi said, "there are some developers who have complained about the difficulty of developing for PS3. But, I am a creator, a developer - and by making a product, we receive money from the players. We shouldn't complain about the difficulty."

In other words, it's their job, and they're just getting on with it.

Hayashi responded in similar terms when asked if the team, which has recently focused most of its efforts on Microsoft's platforms, plans to extend its support for the PS3 in future.

"As I said, people who complain about the difficulty of creating games for PS3 should get out, right?" Hayashi commented. "While I'm saying that kind of thing, if I get out myself, then what I say doesn't mean anything! So, I should stay - right?"

Given some of his earlier comments about plans for the SIXAXIS controller in future games, it seems almost certain that Team Ninja has plenty more in store for Darth Vader's George Foreman Grill down the line. We'll have the full interview with the outspoken Yosuke Hayashi, as well as our impressions of Ninja Gaiden's PS3 outing, available for your reading pleasure in the coming days." http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
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And who can forget the head of Gears of War, Mark Reins saying?:

Rein takes on PS3's critics-

-- "Epic Games VP Mark Rein has taken on Sony's critics, saying that he believes the strength of the PlayStation brand and the company's ongoing strategy will ensure PS3 is a success.
Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz in an interview at GDC last week, Rein said, "Sony has a very, very strong brand, so in my opinion, they're still the one to beat.

"The Wii is an impressive piece of hardware, but as you get the visually more impressive games coming out for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, as the marketing dollars get turned up to support the larger quantities of machines, with potential price drops and titles like Singstar which appeal to the larger market... Those machines will ignite, they'll take off, and they'll sell just fine."

Rein's comments came after Phil Harrison's GDC keynote speech, during which the Sony Worldwide Studios boss unveiled PlayStation Home and exclusive title LittleBigPlanet. "It looks like they've got some pretty cool stuff coming," Rein said.

"As the big titles come out, they're going to sell a bunch of machines. When PlayStation Home comes out, they'll sell a bunch of machines... Yeah, it's a high price, because it's a new, high-end piece of equipment, but history shows that price will come down. They'll sell lots of them, it'll be fine."
Rein questioned some of the criticisms which have been levelled at Sony in recent months, particularly with regard to the amount of PS3 stock currently available in US stores.
"So wait, if they don't have enough machines in stores, that's a bad thing? If they do have enough machines, that's a bad thing? Pick one!
"People just seem to want to take a smack at [Sony], and I can't figure it out. They're the leader, so I guess they have a target on their back."

He also had strong words for those who have accused Sony of following in others' footsteps. "I read on a developer forum, one of the guys who worked on PlayStation Home said they started designing it in 2004. So when people say things like, 'Oh, they announced this new piece of software! They just copied so-and-so!'. What, you think they just made it last week in their basement?"

According to Rein, there can be a tendency amongst industry professionals to take an insular perspective, and fail to recognise the attitudes of the typical consumer. "The gamers out there, they aspire to buy a new PlayStation," he concluded." -- http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
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....so why I stated from the outset it won't bother me, it's because I know when multi-plat games are really made for the PS3 (UT3?) they shine, when they're not they seem to get stuck with an EA logo. Oh yes, I am planning on making my annual purchase of the newest Madden installment as always (with V. Young gracing the cover - Go Horns!) and will play contently on my PS3, because Sitrin told me,

-- "... the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play." --

lol, w/e Sitrin -- 360 owners rejoice in yet another clear cut victory for the console from EA -- I have nothing against you, but contempt for the man that comes out and tries to console PS3 owners with lies and excuses. It's just sad that I'm moving further and further away from the brand and my beloved, beloved Madden.

PS3 owners is it time for a (((BOYCOTT))) of all things EA until they "get it right"? or is that a little extreme? I'm willing to forego this year's Madden if you are. It would really hurt, but I'll do it. Let me know, because the writing is on the "WALL" - viva la Team Ninja!

P.S. - some bubbl3s would be nice guys. calderra, contra 26, SPAWN, THWIP, topgamr, elitegamr (and all the aliases), Jda2Kballa?, POG, martin, and the rest of the KLAN are killing me. -OOops sorry I forgot to add gnothe1, THAMMER, P4KYB, DarknighT, and ironwolf to the mix. =] Don't Let them take Bubbl3s guys - what I have quoted is the truth.

cheers

@ HAMMER below - I am not trying to attack you or the 360 first off or anyone else for that matter. I'm simply stating that games like Oblivion, the NG series, Motorstorm Resistance, R6V, the Darkness (fight club!lol), FolkSouL, MLB '07 The Show, and NHL 2K7 ALL LOOK GREAT NOW. Yes, some of these games were on the 360 first (which is saying a lot)and still look great and got the same score or within one percentile which is huge. So because Pro football and Madden were dropped in at a lower fps that all of a suddenly makes the PS3 not viable for any other games? If you read my post I give 360 owners "props" for gaining another leg up w/ an EA product. As far as I know ~ No games have come from the PS3 to 360, right?

Why 2K has done this is most likely attributable to ironwolfs "business" explanation, but for you guys to get a sugar high on this and spout off that the PS3 is dead I think is like George Bush declaring "Mission Accomplished" on deck of the U.S.S. Lincoln in 2003. A victory? Yes. War over? No. Please read my post with logic in mind.

@Wile - I gave you a bubble and agree for not slamming some half - asst response together. I must point out though again, that I was praising the 360 for another "port" victory here, not discrediting them or the machine, and I wasn't quoting myself the first time when I asked for Bubbl3s.lol I was pointing to the quotes from Sitrin, Rein, and Y. Hayashi as "their" truth. Not mine. Thanks.

2nd@Hammer below - Hammer that video is hilarious, and I know its only the PS3. I was simply quoting what some Industry heaveyweights have said about it recently to bring some balance into the fray here because it's soooooo crazy at the moment. Hey, I like the part about lots of girlfriends and neither I nor Bruce Lee will ever die. Well, he might have but I do have duplicates.lol bubbl3s to you man.

[THAMMER1]

What is right? You seem to know what the secret answers are so tell us all. What is a PS3 game done right? Please make understandable for us so we can end this debate. I'm sick of the 360 out doing the PS3 too.

O.K. MADDENS Jeezzz Bro it is just the PS3. You act like you have some thing to prove. So I just asked you to grace us with your knowledge of multi threading and super computing. I can tell you were not attacking but your rant was on the level of a super villain monolog.

[Wile]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but let keep things real here ok.

"360 owners rejoice in yet another clear cut victory for the console from EA -- I have nothing against you, but contempt for the man that comes out and tries to console PS3 owners with lies and excuses."

"Don't Let them take Bubbl3s guys - what I have quoted is the truth."

If you want more bubbles my advice would be NOT to discard one OPINION then "quote" another OPINION then call it "the truth". Anyone can cherry pick the quotes that help their agenda. Mark Rein in another video quote said the Sony made a mistake putting the Cell into the PS3. Which quote should I believe? Which quote do you want to believe? Let's be real here.

PS - I gave you a bubble anyway.

[Drew]

I think that's the most damage control that I've ever seen concentrated in such a small area. Nice job.

[UrbanJabroni]

Thanks for wasting my time, Mr. 12 year old who can't seem to stay ON THE FREAKIN' POINT.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

when it comes to learning the PS3's complicated architecture ( just port over the 360's code ) so what do you expect. Nothing more, nothing less. :P

[Grown Folks Talk]

all pro 2k8 anyways.

[Drew]

Did you miss the part about All-Pro, too? Maybe you should read the article again. It's all next-gen football games, not just Madden. Sorry to disappoint.

[Grown Folks Talk]

the main point of the article is referring to madden. most of the b*tching in this thread is referring to madden. i have a 360 and would buy whichever for the 360, so either way it's 60 for me. i just like 2k better. sorry i offended you with my preference in football.

[no_more_heroes]

don't really like American Football, but I think you guys are right on this one. The blame can rightfully be put on the developers. Notice though its really only games that are or will be multiplatform that suck for the ps3 (except for some exclusive launch titles, but those are LAUNCH TITLES).

[hikikimori]

Hey, I can't stand American Football either, but Sony's reaction to this kind of pisses me off.
They should help 3rd party's with development instead of not giving a $h!t. NFL is crap imo, but millions of people in North America buy this crap and that has to count for something. And wanger, who's to say that Fifa or Winnings 11 won't be churned out at 30fps vs 60fps on 360?
Imo All games these days should run at 60fps with no slowdown. Quality over quantity. Smooth 1st, visuals 2nd. Jesus we pay 60 bucks a pop for em.

[etownone]

i cant wait to tell my friends at work that bought the PS3 just for madden......

i told them, buy the 360.... but nooooo they wouldn't listen.

i love hearing some of these fanboys dismissing a blockbusting selling game like Madden, almost sounds like last week how they were dissing GTA4 when they heard 360 was getting the exclusive content.

[freeza]

Dear Sony,

COME MAKE OUR GAME FOR US!!! We are crappy developers working on 12 different
versions of a game.. and We know you have nothing to do So Please Come make our
game For us.... kthxbye

Love Electronic Arts
Seriously.... you really cannot expect sony to go around to all the different companies To optimize code.. Especially EA code... god only knows how bad that is.. They sent EA the information ... They have the tools ... They the documentation.. If you can't grasp The PS3 fine... it runs alittle crappier than the Xbox360.. Fine.. Do you really expect sony to come and build your game for you

[CaliGamer]

I'm away for a day and all hell breaks loose. Madden is garbage and has been garbage, and EA is well, EA, enough said. Won't be getting this game anyway, a waste of money for a few updates each year. Continue the flame wars, E3 is not far away.

[Red]

..Shown anything "Subpar" at an expo yet? Honestly, don't they always excite the masses at these things. The problem isn't what they show at the expos, its what makes it into the living room/basement/game room of the customer. So far, the have not yet lived up to what they said was possible. Just an opinion, but it seems like at some point people would stop mindlessly defending and start asking Sony why can't they keep just one promise.

[SDS Overfiend]

Funny how when Itagaki was a so-called Xbot slave,Pervert, Clay-faced idiot,ETC and all that his company did was make games for xbox that were mindless.Now all of a sudden he's consider the best developer thats on ps3. I could have sworn his games were corny and all about boobs? Now every developer must study his movement? Funny how the table have turned. Oh after all sony fanboys could always blame
EA (But Love them when fight night looked better than 360 a year later.).

That Does it The PS3 Reached its half-life LOL!

Delay Beyon3!! Suckas

[xTCx Death]

its also NCAA(which has been getting great previews as of late) and All Pro Football 2k8

[Thugbot187]

The blame isn’t in the developers or that the game is a port. The problem is with the hardware in the form of memory available. There is just more total memory available in the Xbox 360 to perform when man objects have to be rendered to the screen. Let’s not forget the Oblivion Horse Armor problem… http://www.joystiq.com/2007...
Notice the official statement in the update hinting toward this problem: In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. Football is an extremely challenging sport to replicate because of the number of people on the field, their interaction, and the scope of the environments.
This is also a reason why the Ninja Gaden Sigma argument is pointless. They don’t render as many objects compared to football games. Being able to render mass amount of objects to a screen at 60fps and maintaining stunning graphics takes a lot of memory, some surprisingly sophisticated algorithms or your memory sources have to be fast enough to make up for the lack of memory.
Anyone here that has ever played video games on the PC which had poor memory and a killer process can tell you, a similar story of frame rate dips because of lack of memory but when they upgrade the memory they can tell you the problem went away.
This article back in the days pointed these problems out: http://www.anandtech.com/vi...

Edit
@ snoop_dizzle
Lair isn’t even out yet so we don’t know if there are any dips in frame rate when you land into the midst of the enemies. We will also have to see how the AI behaves when this happens. Outside of that most of the other things I saw going on was generic items flying at you which still doesn’t compare to all the things going on during football. However let’s wait until the game is released before we start naming it the best game around, we don’t want another Hour of Victory scenario.

[snoop_dizzle]

how was lair made?

I mean i saw some game walk through stuff and it looked like there was a lot of things happening simultaneously. Far more than probably any football game.

AS for this game, EA has gone down the tubes recently so if it cost them more on one, i could see why they might not put as much effort.

I used to like the NFS series, and Most wanted is the latest one i like. NFS carbon sucked because most of the stuff you had to download.

But anyways, i think its going back and fourth. Oblivion looked slightly better on the PS3, yet Splinter cell DA looked supposedly better on the 360, yet a game in my opinion like the darkness looked practically the same.

After a while though i think we will see a change. The question is, how much?

Edit: I'm very far away from even considering it a killer app. I have a feeling its pretty good considering the developers, but thats about it. It was merely an example.

[castortroy]

Does anybody else find it interesting that the NCAA team and the Madden team, which I assume are pretty separate at EA, AND the All Pro team, which is at an entirely different company, all independently came to the same conclusion -> to run the PS3 version at 30fps.

Granted, for years we enjoyed games that ran at those specs, but on a bigger screen and with a higher resolution, I think the framerate would make a difference.

I am just wondering if this could truly be an indicator of long-term problems. I am really close to buying a PS3, but I was waiting til this year's sports titles started coming out. I'll admit, this news has been a bit unsettling.

[IPlayGames]

the game play controls. import the the ps2 controls and add six axis run blocking.

Then i want all the audible functions from ps2 indi. defense audibles

remember the right analog stick it was my best friend until i got it in next gen.

[Thugbot187]

Can we all just play games and get along??

[Maddens Raiders]

Amen.

[ironwolf]

won't happen.

It's why we're all here.

[Maddens Raiders]

LOL - but your right. Flame on, oh mighty N4G warriors - flame on!

Me? I'm heading downtown to hunt skirts and swill good ale at the bar. =)

Goodnight gentlemen. I'll see you all tomorrow with a bit of a hangover I'm afraid.

cheers

[PS360PCROCKS]

Off topic: wow 247 comments...on topic: amen Maddens, amen...Beer is good and women are better! Cheers!

[dburrell]

Sony VS Microsoft no. More like PS3 vs 360. No matter what you want to believe, all you have to do is compare the games.

Why be a fanboy both Sony and Microsoft don't care as long as you buy the systems and the games. The difference is Microsoft knows making things easy for developers is the key to good games. Sony still thinks pretty hardware is the way to sell systems

[jwatt]

I have a ps3 and a 360 and Im probably going to get it for the ps3, I feel that Madden is more suited with the ps3 controller. It also depends on if there are other differences between the two versions then that could change.

[Kokoro]

after all this debacle, will look back in ten years, and say WTF we're we talking about. If every product had it's fanboys, the world would be in flames. So for now, just play the damn games and shut up!

[kewlkat007]

First and formost.

1.I hate Madden, just ask "Maddensraiders"..he he.
2.I love 2K sports(NFL/NBA 2K since Dreamcast)
3.Eventhough, sometimes I think EA is the fast food of game development, you can't argue how big of a powerhouse their development studios are.
4. EA is a THIRD-PARTY dev/publisher and a huge one at that.(they give love to all consoles)(check#3)

a. Everything falls on SONY's shoulders, well you really can't keep blaming developers, for they were not the ones that made the decision with the architect, behind the PS3. What do you Expect? Your asking Developers to re-learn how to program very differently, unlike what they have been used to, the last 10+ years.

b. At that, Sony is in a midst of a Console war(some like to call it) and they really did not give Developers the right support and Architecture, to get ahead out the Gates. I know it will take some time but, what's the whole point of blaming developers early-on, when we all knew how it was going to be, of course, because of SONY's strategy and the PS3's Architecture.

c. MS played it safe, you can say, but they know Software and they have good support. It's not that hard to see why games, are developed much faster on the Xbox360, and sometimes, have an little edge in certain departments. (That COD4 TRAILER was running on an Xbox360, if you remember and everyone was saying it look awesome).Thinks about the Xbox 360's architecture, and MS's tools and support, and it's a no-brainer.

Stop blaming developers, and say to yourself "jeeeze Sony's Hardware/Strategy, looks like it will take longer to materialize", and just move on. Hey, even I know this, but PS3 fans/fanbois, just can't cope to hear the 360 does have some strengths "early-on". Of course no need to post, other games that are coming out for the PS3, how powerful the PS3 is, or even "ehh I hate that game anyways so who cares".

[EDF 2017]

READ TH ARTICLE, T IS ALL FOOTBALL GAMES FROM EA AND 2K THAT ARE 60FPS ON THE 360 AND 30FPS ON THE PS3.

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i am not trying to start a war (especiallu as i see i have missed it lol) But yeh i just love this news as it always hurts the SonyFanboys, yeh i know its not simple, and it could probadly be done, but all you normally get is sonyfanboys saying their games will run at this rather then 30f/ps and well yet another one failed.