BC2 Demo Is Stupidly Fun

Jeff Marchiafava of Gameinformer writes: "I've been playing the 360 multiplayer demo of Bad Company 2 the past couple nights, and for me it falls into the category of being stupidly fun. Not stupid in a simpleminded way (strategy plays more of a role in BC2 than most FPSes I've played) but rather so fun that my enjoyment of it just plain stupid – how else can I explain spending countless hours on a one level, one mode demo, when I have so many other amazing games to play?

But my enjoyment of the demo comes as a bit of a surprise, because I didn't enjoy the original Bad Company's multiplayer all that much. I played DICE's Battlefield 1943 first, and after trying out Bad Company for a modest number of hours, I found myself heading right back to World War 2. Which got me wondering – maybe simple is better."

[edwineverready]

No running and strafing at the same time. I really did not like the responsiveness of the controls. I will stay with M.A.G thank you

[socomnick]

No running strafing is one among a large list of things holding back BC2.

- Horrible Bullet hit detection
- Amazingly weak damage- Hardcore mode has the best damage for all weapons in the pc beta, they should just port over the damage from hardcore mode in the beta for core.
- Stiff movement
- Uneven classes - Recon gets most of the good stuff and is the most powerful class.

[MAR-TYR-DOM]

@above
You know what, ill sacrifice these gameplay elements for a stable overall online gameplay experience. As long as this is not a glitch-fest like MW2 (which i doubt cause of a pre-release beta), i will be picking this game up.

[mikeslemonade]

One of the most O-V-E-R-A-T-E-D G-A-M-E-S of 2010. I rather play Modern Warfare 2.

[evrfighter]

did I just see someone say something about overrated and then mention playing modern warfare 2?

I see our no child left behind laws were a huge failure...

[TheIneffableBob]

Damage is being tweaked for the retail version. Bullets will do more damage.

[deadreckoning666]

"seriously not even 1/4th MAG, but it tries to be. anyone whose played MAG acquisition or domination knows what i'm talking about, all wannabe objective style' gameplay"

Dumbest comment ive heard all day.

1. Quantity doesn't equal quanlity

2. M.A.G lite huh? Wait for the review scores to come in. Not only will Bad Company 2 get better critical reception than M.A.G, but it will also sell more on the PS3 than M.A.G

[Throwaway2020]

I just want the sniper to kill in one shot. Otherwise it's pretty solid. :)

[DirtyLary]

Great game. Loving all the betas.

[Eiffel]

Wait, so you people above want a game simplified just to the point it's a easy run and gun shooter? Pff eff that. You just need to learn how not to suck at Battlefield.

Bad Company 2 is perfect the way it is.

[edwineverready]

Running and strafing is that to much to ask. This is also possible in real life so it is not unrealistic.

[heroprotagonist]

Yeah, it's pretty fun, but both the 360 and PS3 versions have quite a bit of screen tearing that is really off putting.

[SilentNegotiator]

Yeah, the console versions are pretty jagged and have a lot of screen tearing. This is definitely one to get on the PC if you have a good rig.

[Eiffel]

Your point is for it to be realistic? It's a game. Dice never stated it's main purpose was to make a realistic shooter. How about if that was implemented it would only lower the overall challenge of the game itself. Anyone who has ever played a Battlefield title can see it uses the same formula as the previous titles, it's what makes them so great. If you keep getting killed because you can't take cover and pull your gun up in time, that's your own fault. Maybe the game isn't for you,it is a hard multiplayer franchise. No harm in it.

[Obama]

"but both the 360 and PS3 versions have quite a bit of screen tearing"

I haven't noticed any screen tearing when I was playing the ps3 beta. May be it's just the 360 version? In any case I am going to get this for the pc since it supports more players.

[supraman21]

Pull out your gun? It takes forever. The game is clunky.The control over your character is clunky and slow. Wobbling when your moving is just annoying. The gun is to small which means your sights are really small. No crouch? You never know where your getting hit from. Yeah your screen gets red but its barely noticeable. If your just standing in one spot and a grenade goes off 50ft away some how your body moves and the controller vibrates..Im I getting hit or was it just an explosion..see what I mean. If you get shot in MW you know exactly where your getting shot from. Every gun shoots the same. Socomnic nailed it.

Yea MW is glitchy and some things are overpowered but its a hell of a fun game. It rapes any shooter ive ever played. Theres no restriction when moving around and especially when moving your gun ( Like killzone has that weighty feeling...I have no problem with that but its just not realistic when shooting, your gun isn't 50lbs)and trying to quickly aim and lead someone. You guys that say MW is noobish( The noob toob and rockets are waaay overpowered...this is where Battlefield excels), I think you just suck at the game thats all. It takes skill to precisely aim at an opponent when you both are moving and putting your cursor on him or leading him. Your just crybaby's that suck at the game

[mikeslemonade]

1.4
You're the blinded one because the two games are mere upgrades of the previous game. MW2 actually has good graphics though so it's more appealing to my eyes. And MW2 isn't that overated because it gets a hell of a bad rep here on N4G. BFBC2 is highly overated here in N4G.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

all i have to say is this game is more of a technical marvel than heavy rain is. in both character animations, environments, physics, particle effects, character detail, audio, and especially dubbing.

i don't know what but you have to be pretty high to not see how alive BC2 is more than heavy rain.

[Wardog1368]

Strafing and running at full speed at the same isn't possible in real life... Sure you can run in the left or right direction but if you're running full speed, sudden lefts aren't possible.

Not sure if that is what you were trying to say though.

[mikeslemonade]

Nope your blind. I have an eye for these things. You probably haven't seen Heavy Rain on screen to say it's not as lively as BFBC2. BFBC2 is open world so the game looks terrible. The stupid ghilli suit looks like cactus man. Essentially you think GTA4 has good graphics the theory that you guys are all bringing up.

[Eiffel]

It's okay if you got your ass kicked on the demo man, Battlefield is not an easy shooter for the common "COD crowd".

I most likely have your dog tag from a beautiful knife kill, lmao.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

......i wasn't even talking to you and nor did i disagree with you.(mikeslemonade)

anyways, in facial animations RE5 still wins over heavy rain.
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

no joke.

[mikeslemonade]

Ha facial animations. Next thing you will say is the eye lashes on Nathan Drake's eyes aren't as long or detailed as Alan's in Alan Wakes.

I just don't get how a game like BFBC2 gets so much praise and the first one didn't. The game is pretty much the same. The graphics at the time for BFBC1 were amazing but now in BFBC2 the graphics look dated.

[ThanatosDMC]

If you like this game, you'll definitely love MAG.

I love the destructible environment of this game. I just wish there were at least 64 players to cover a lot of things. So easy to go lonewolf.

[SixZeroFour]

can you straff and run at the same time in mw2? cause in cod4 you couldnt

i prefer this game over the "noob friendly' mw2 game, because in mw2, you can literally be a one man team for the most part, however in bfbc2 (or atleast the demos only gametype for now) if you are an attacker, you really cant do everything yourself, especially with the 75 lives per team against you

for the ppl saying you wobble too much when walking or running and aiming, why dont you go ahead and simulate that in real life and tell me that you dont wobble yourself when trying to walk or run while aiming

the hit detection is actually spot on, so what if the bullet doesnt aim where you sniped at from several meters away, what do you expect when gravity is involved..same with aiming at a moving target, you have to compensate for those kinda things...all the more reason i love playing this game

the only thing i have a slight problem with right now, is the time it takes from running to knifing someone, it still is a bit slow for me, but hey, im still enjoying this game, and so glad i havent bought mw2 yet

[MiloGarret]

Running and strafing? Jeebus...

Amazingly weak damage..? You're supposed to aim for the head. I know aiming can be hard when all you've been doing lately is press a button to knife someone from a mile away. But this is a shooting game, not a knifing game.

Recon is a powerful class yes, but it's also the class that demands most of the player. Most people on the demo playing as recon get zero kills but several assists. Also, when people overuse the recon the opposing team is pretty much guaranteed a win.

@Huwmor
The sniper kills in one shot, if you know how to use it. Aim for the head... If your target is far away you have to aim slightly above it to compensate for gravity.

[pixelsword]

The PS3 had less tearing, I admit, but it's not like the 360 was to the point of distraction or anything. Both were solid. I just hope that the graphics for either version improve because if people were complaining about MAG, this demo looked *worse* (as in much worse) on either console all the way around, believe it or not. I like the sound of the weapons better on B:BC better than MAG though; the guns are very meaty sounding and MAG's guns sound "tidy", but not like the BLAP-BLAP-BLAP sound I like to hear from a gun that can drop a man in three shots.

In either case, I was focused more on not dying. :D

[socomnick]

Milo strafe running is not what it sounds like.
http://www.wegame.com/watch...

Thats strafe running.

http://www.wegame.com/watch...

Another video of what strafe running is.

Also snipers are useless and they have the one tool that would be good to counter a sniper a mortar strike.

Mortar strike should be taken away from recon and given to medic so he can flush out camping snipers.

Damage is just weak on core , in the ps3 beta the damage was good, in hardcore more for the pc its even better. Guns have slightly more recoil and deal decent damage. 1 short burst and they are down.

You can run into a room and deal death to an entire squad if you are fast enough.

The sniper is overpowered in hardcore though, as it should, but they should bring the damage from all the guns over to core and keep current damage of the sniper for core.

[SixZeroFour]

theres a hardcore mode for the bfbc2 demo?

[socomnick]

Hardcore mode is only in the pc beta.

[MiloGarret]

Well I can't comment on hardcore vs core because I don't have the pc demo.

Yes, I know what strafe running is and I'm ok with it not being in BC2. I like the bulky and less flexible movement of Battlefield, if it wasn't like this it would just be cod with vehicles.

I do think the damage is just fine, I'm becoming pretty ok with the sniper and I'm finding new ways to counter camping snipers all the time.

Running into a room and killing several enemies is easy with the appropriate weapon ------> smg. Though You'll probably have to switch to your handgun as you're likely to run out of clip before killing everyone in the area, but that's good in my opinion, it SHOULDN'T be easy to empty a room full of armed people.

Well, that's my opinion, I think this game shows a lot of promise and I look forward to the release. Also, Swedish devs ruuuuuuuuuuuuule!

[darkmurder]

THis craps all over MAG and MW2

[jack_burt0n]

Have to agree its really not that different from the first game which i enjoyed alot, but the graphics are nothing special and the tweaks to the frostbite destruction are not really noticable.

Still have big chunks of buildings I could not level.

@obama
there is very little screentearing on the ps3 demo you are right these guys are playing 360 only.

@pixelsword
yeah the sound in bad company was increrdible if you think this sounds good wait for the bluray the first game used uncompressed audio and is easily the best sounding game ever in terms of effects, if u have a decent hdmi audio setup.

[raztad]

@darkmur

How do you know that? What is your level on MAG? your faction? already a squad leader?

BTW, I played BC2 beta and it was really jagged, the overall game while looking good was not impressive. Gameplay-wise it didnt do enough to grab me. Perhaps I should have tried harder but then I came across with MAG, and I never looked back.

[bjornbear]

you people are so picky =P

I'm LOVING it =D its so deep and strategic (and its such a limited demo =( already got all upgrades)

I do have a few gripes, for example the map is a bit hard to see on SD tv's (but thats not anything new xD)

and as everyone knows, attackers have a much harder time than defenders, but thats how it is in real life =)

Oh and heli is DAMN hard to get used too, but nothing practice won't fix =)

@ everyone complaining:

a) I've had NO screen tearing and had 1 moment of lag

b) Running while Strafing? Is that even physically possible?=P unless you mean skipping xD I don't miss that at all TBH,but thats me

c) hit detection horrible? wrong - get better at using the guns--> sorry hit detection problems only on PS3 thats why - my bad =)

stiff movement: LOL, after playing KZ2, the movement feels like he's on speed xD so i'm loving it

recon - not over powered, you just need to know how to stay away from their sight

fine you'll get snipered a few times in a game thats inevitable but to those complaining about snipers - you don't know how to use your cover =/

I had an amazing moment when we were holding them off the 1st targets so well, they all held back and decided to sniper us into weakness

we were 10 minutes without conflict, just sniping - and i didn't die once, because i always moved / changed cover with the knowledge of where my targets were =D - SO EPIC =D

loving it =) - if you aren't, get better / too bad maybe not for u =)

[darx]

Playing both looks better than MAG.

[FragGen]

@MGSR: Yeah that's an awesome idea. Let's start comparing game engines for adventure games with FPSs. That makes HUGE amounts of sense given that the two game types have diametrically opposed requirements! (rolls eyes).

[frostypants]

Battlefield games and MAG are worlds apart. MAG is a whole new animal...in that you gain satisfaction almost entirely from team exploits, where as Battlefield still has some element of individualism to it as this article mentions.

I just bought MAG and love it. In my case, it's MW2 that risks losing playing time to BFBC2.

I AM bummed about the 24 player cap. P2P networking needs to be banished from gaming.

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

To everyone saying MW2 takes skill. WTF? With the noticable auto aim? With pre patch models? With care packages that often contain harriers or higher? Play wasteland on hardcore. Lie down in the grass with a silenced sniper. Get 5 kills for a pred and you basically have chopper gunner meaning another 10+ kills. This takes skill? BF is not clunky, it just doesnt have crap like auto aim.

[Hellsvacancy]

This is NO lie, I just got 1-of my stoner mates in-1 BC2, i screamed at him (literally) 2-download the demo and give it a try (hes not a big FPS fan)

5-hours later and we were still playin it (off 2-bed now im propa wasted)

"I did u a treat EA by persuadin my mate 2-buy BC2, gimme summin 4-3 EA"

[El_Colombiano]

Excuse sir, what?

[MajestieBeast]

And now in english please.

[pixelsword]

...you'll read this and go "what the F@&( was I smoking?"

[Hellsvacancy]

Wot was i tryin 2 type?

[yippiechicken]

I have no doubt, sir, that you will go far in life.

Might be time to lay off the drugs a bit, huh?

[FragGen]

You know I'm super disappointed when I play online FPSs and some games at least half of the XBL or PSN account IDs are pot references. I'm not even really AGAINST doobage, but it seems astonishingly juvenile to associate your online identity with it.

Seems like the FPSs are by far the worst, too, which is weird, because they don't seem mellow enough for that demographic.

Anyway, BRILLIANT post HV...

[DaTruth]

Actually it makes perfect sense. I use to smoke so much that I was high in everything I ever did and I know these guys are the same. If their mothers would have known before they were born, they would have made their given names associated with it!

I hardly smoke anymore, but I have friends who still think it's a hobby!

[archemides518]

seriously not even 1/4th MAG, but it tries to be. anyone whose played MAG acquisition or domination knows what i'm talking about, all wannabe objective style

[aviator189]

Quality vs quantity is a huge difference between M.A.G. and Battlefield: Bad Company 2.

[heroprotagonist]

Sorry, tried MAG and I don't like it. A certain group of people are trying to convince the world that all the reviewers were wrong, but in my opinion most of the reviews were spot on. MAG is an average game. There are a few things I don't like about BC2, but it is still a better game than MAG in my opinion.

[dirthurts]

Not that Mag is a bad game. I like it quite a bit actually. But what it the point of have nearly 300 players at once, if you only see 5 of them at a time?
Mag lite isn't even close to the concept here. Can you drive tanks and level buildings in Mag? Nope. They are both great games, but for different reasons. Enjoy them for what they are, or leave everyone else who enjoys it alone. Geeze.

[-Alpha]

@laguna

Lol, sounds like your butthurt over a new FPS taking the spotlight away from MAG so quickly. Why dont you go back to playing MAG? Why does one have to better than the other?

You do realize that they can both be great, right?

It's funny how you bring in numbers as if BC2 actually was aiming for 256 players. You must also hate UC2 online since it does a pathetic 5 on 5, right? By your logic it must suck since you love bringing up numbers

@dirt

That's what I thought too but MAG uses those numbers to cleverly set up a complex hierarchy tree-- true you don't see many players, but you do feel like your in a bigger game and the squad system makes that possible with 256 players.

[ThanatosDMC]

I dunno what you played but even in the initial spawn you can see 16 people all ready next to you or paradropping with you. Add the 8-16 other people on the enemy squad that's easily 20+ people right there. But once you get deeper in the fight you could see 50+ attacking and defending.

Anyway, BC2 >>> MW2.

@ Soda

Actually, MW2 shouldnt be compared to MAG and BC2. BC2 and MAG are almost identical in objective and mission type. MW2 is like casual CTF, TDM, etc.

[DelbertGrady]

I'm sorry but MAG is not in the same league as either MW2 or BC2. They shouldn't be compared.

[archemides518]

1. mag is quality, and the reviewers are wrong, because i thought the same when i first played it but after u get into it it's hard to compare mag and bc2 and mw2 cuz the point of them is so different. you can compare bc2 and mw2 to MAYBE the smallest match types in mag (sabotage & suppression), both of which the other 2 games realize better. but after going to the bigger matchtypes (acquisition and domination) it's so objective based that focus on shooting people becomes secondary. most of the time i'm trying to take down or re-up objectives since they have such a big impact on the progress of the game (such as re-upping the anti-air to stop airstrikes on the base, or stop them from parachute spawning). in bc2, the objectives (blowing up target A & B) have no consequence except to move to the next set of them. anyone who hasn't played/doesn't understand the big mag game types has no idea what i'm talking about, because i didn't either until i took the time to, as well as the other people playing. the reviewers are wrong because they hadn't had the experience in their little time to really understand it, when others also understand it, and YES you cannot play the big game types without eventually/soon getting past just running around like it's a deathmatch (aka MW2)

2. yes you can drive tanks and vehicles in MAG, this just shows you haven't played what mag is really about (acquisition and domination). but yes i do agree that i would rarely play the smaller modes now

3. i can guarantee that anyone who doesn't like mag is just somebody who hasn't played it enough to understand it, and almost certainly the same type of person who expects every game to play the same (these are the same people who hated on killzone 2's controls). the controls in mag are very call of duty, but the objective mechanic is unlike anything else out there, and it is the primary focus and the game is shaped to reveal that to the people who are open to it. if you're expecting the standard type call of duty stuff but just with more people then you are the one missing out due to your own closed mind.

[MiloGarret]

Ok everyone, this person thinks MAG is amazing, so therefore it is.

No, the consensus is that it is mediocre crap. BC2 outdoes MAG in every relevant way.

And, I'll be getting BC2 for my ps3, because I like my ps3 and I think it deserves to be used for quality gaming, not crap.

[ape007]

and it pretty much sucks, it feels so underdeveloped, the game feels poor imo but I forget that im in N4G island where every ps3 exclusive will be defended (like ps home) and 90% of multiplatform games get bashed(mw2)

played bc2, didn't like it but I can see what people love about it, and it's a day 1 buy for me, cause of the amazing looking single player and awesome delicious gfx\explosions and I may fell in love with other online modes, who knows

the best online experience imho is non other than call of duty modern warfare 2, yes it has glitches, it has campers etc.... but it's the most amazingly brilliant, truly addictive online experience, haters please shut up

it's the number 1 most played game on ps3\360

keep hating, you'll only hurt yourselves

[bjornbear]

well, im a PS3 fan, and I'm going to enjoy this "MAG-lite" because i prefer it to MAG

just because you don't enjoy MAG doesn't mean your a 360 fanboys

you fanboys are all the same =/ be a gamer, get both games, - if you like mag you probably will like battlefield since you can use as much strategy (its really up to you)

[frostypants]

I own MAG. They are entirely different games. MAG is like an RTS game where you're playing one of the countless infantrymen. It's a whole different experience from Battlefield, which trades some of that strategy for more visceral gameplay. There's room for both on my shelf.

No, BC2 will never be able to duplicate the coordination of a 64 man strike on a cap point. But MAG can't duplicate the feeling of driving a buggy through a firefight, running over a guy a split second before he launches a rocket at you, and jumping out before it runs over a cliff.

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

MAG lite? MAG really isnt the amazing shooter everyone makes it out to be. All the people i know who bought it are already back on MW2.

[macalatus]

My fellow Sony gamers, unfortunately due to the mediocrity mindedness of the 360 gamers, they will simply ignore this great game as stupid. Just how mediocre the 360 gamers are when it comes to gaming? Well, 90% of the 360 folks still believe that MW2, with glitches and all, is the greatest FPS out there since Halo 3 (until Halo: Barbie Edition of course!).

360 gamers are the sole reason why developers make crappy games. Their simplicity and stupidity make them easy buyers for crappy games like MW2. Don't forget that it was the 360 gamers who beta tested MW2 MP before it was released. The fact that they beta-tested it and MW2 still came out crappy, is the biggest proof that they are not like us, the classy, mature, and intelligent gamers of the videogame industry!

Sony Gamers Lead the Way!

[chrisulloa]

Hah, I love your sarcasm. Unfortunately for any PS3 owner, developers making exclusive Sony games continue to make unpolished pieces of turds. The main reason is, PS3 fanboys continue to encourage and support the developer, even if the game is extremely generic and bland. Take MAG for example, Sony fanboys are constantly praising the game for its 256 multiplayer capabilities, but fail to realize that the game is in fact, terrible and completely full of glitches. Developers see the comments that Sony fanboys make and don't bother to make improvements in their future games, they use the same formula because they realize that Sony fanboys would take a gold plated piece of crap and love it.

Also, Xbox owners appreciate games. Modern Warfare two may not be perfect, but it's definitely enjoyable. We also like to speak out to developers and use constructive criticism to improve their future games. Unlike PS3 owners, 360 owners also like to buy games, so our devs are always happy. BFBC is just one of the future multi-plat games that will be better on the 360, and DICE will probably want to make future 360 exclusives because of the appreciation that they will get for making an excellent game.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You mean like MAG, White Knight, Haze, Heavy Rain, SOCOM, Ratchet and Clank and the entire 2010 PS3 lineup accept God of War 3?

[ZombieRollz]

"Also, Xbox owners appreciate games. Modern Warfare two may not be perfect, but it's definitely enjoyable. We also like to speak out to developers and use constructive criticism to improve their future games. Unlike PS3 owners, 360 owners also like to buy games, so our devs are always happy. BFBC is just one of the future multi-plat games that will be better on the 360, and DICE will probably want to make future 360 exclusives because of the appreciation that they will get for making an excellent game."

Is it just me or does this guy seem way too interested in 'pleasing' developers? Must be a bot thing. I also love the way he generalizes the entire populace of the 360 community, like he has been brainwashed, turned into a drone, and only speaks what he was programmed to do. Must be a bot thing.

[Chnswdchldrn]

yeah I play the hell out of it on the PC

and yes the hit detection is f@cking bad

but the controls are not, if you let them grow on you. BTW there is a glitch that resets the sensitivity after every time you start up the game, and a higher sensitivity is usually best for this game

yea

[GamerPS360]

hit detection is much better now after they restarted server.

[tiamat5]

I kind of get what he means. I normally avoid games like this like the plague but I actually had fun with this one. Almost made me want to buy the game. But only almost. With Heavy Rain and GOW 3 heading my way, I need to save up.

[unrealgamer58]

LMAO
http://jaysolomon.files.wor...
everytime you troll i'm gonna show what you should be doing.

on topic: bc2 is really fun.

[Dnied]

I lol'd

[ZombieRollz]

I had a backlog of 5 games, and I just so happened to sign up for the beta and get in. Those 5 games were never touched until the beta ended. So I agree.

[Skynetone]

of course its better then mw2, but some obvious flaws let it down

R2 for melee, they must be having a laugh,
chopper, flys like a piece of s++t, tank controls is'nt exactly perfect, its like they simplified both controls for the casual player, and in turn both are wrong

[mario888]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Most xbox gamers are Next GEN casual gamers. We also have a lot of next gen casual gamers on the PS3 too. Hardcore games are all on the ps3. What is a hardcore game? A game the has NO Auto Aim like SOCOM Confrontation, K2 very little auto aim and MAG only a little auto aim when scoped up.

Why do you think MAG got low reviews and high reviews? It's because the reviewer is most likely not a real gamer reviewing the game like in the past. Example: If the gamer was reviewing starwars battle front 2 for the ps2 and xbox today. The review would be clunky controls and therefore a lower score.

NEWS FLASH: Starwars on the ps2 and xbox was not an easy game to play online because there was no auto aim when shooting from the hip or when scoped up. Back then you had no choice you either learned how to play or you suck. The reason MW2 sells is because it's made for noobs, not because it a great. Those same 10 mil noobs will tell you you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm old school no auto aim gamer and I'm that good from yeara of no auto aim console gamimg.In a game like MAG I dominate. What is sad , is all those noob gamers that play MW2 will not be growing up and training their eye and hand coordination to be able to actually aim. Why bother, all you have to do is practice your twitch skill and auto aim will take over. Look at me I'm so good . MAG sucks.

What you will be seeing is real pure run n gunnin. Not the BS . I see you first so you are are dead auto aim game MW2.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

No camping what so ever. And you telling me MAG sucks? NooBs!

[heroprotagonist]

Sure, buddy. Try to tell yourself that.

Why is it I own people so much easier on PSN than on Xbox Live?
In my experience, the Live user base is generally more experienced and skilled.

[bequietjohnnie]

@7.1

haha, well your experience is very off buddy. there are good players on both xbox live and psn. I've gotten sick killstreaks on both psn and xbox live. and I'va got a buddy who will make you look silly. so dont think just bc you had good games against guys on psn, xbox live is better. thats dumb

[mario888]

Do you have Uncharted 2, MAG or K2? Watch this and tell me if you think you can own me?

And what game are you talking about on live? The only game that requires some skill is Halo.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
70 kills 23 deaths.

[ThanatosDMC]

I hate Valors!

They're defending their bases adamantly nowadays. They dont want it taken over unlike a week ago when we SVERs just stomp them through the ground. Now most of them arent noobs that go around shooting their own teammates.

"Damnit, we just repaired our triple A!"

@ heroprotagonist

You live in a small secluded world, huh?

[MiloGarret]

No he's right, the top players on both consoles might be more or less equal, though I believe the 360 ones would probably be better anyway, but the majority of players on PSN are under the average skill level of Live players.

In my experience this is not exclusive to shooter games either, it applies to most games.

Anyway, PC gamers pwn both, and not just because of the mouse & keyboard advantage.

BTW, someone said KZ2 barely has autoaim..? Wow, play the game dude, KZ2 would be unplayable without serious amounts of assist.

70 kills and 23 deaths!??!! Wow, that's... not impressive at all!
That video pretty much confirmed heroprotagonists statement.

[SixZeroFour]

wow...this comment had absolutely nothing to do with the article, let alone mention the game that was in question :S

[mario8888]

Milo Garret wrote:

BTW, someone said KZ2 barely has autoaim..? Wow, play the game dude, KZ2 would be unplayable without serious amounts of assist.

70 kills and 23 deaths!??!! Wow, that's... not impressive at all!Tha
That pretty much confirmed heroprotagonists statement.

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Mario Wrote:
I haven't played the game? My K2 clan was the top 50th Clan on K2 before we stopped competing in tournaments. This video was made after months of not palying K2. Can you imagine how good I am if I practiced for a week?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

See, i rest my case. Most noobs don't even realize how fast I'm playing because I make it look so easy. Have you ever played MAG? You could never do what I just did in MW2 because it has too much auto aim.

MAG = No auto aim what so ever when firing form the hip and a little when scoped up. Killzone = a little auto aim when firing from the hip. MW2 = I see you first, I pull up and you are dead.

FYI: there are parts in the video when I should have scoped up instead of shooting form the hip. I dare anyone of you to find another MAG video where you will see someone playing as fast as I am.

@thanatosDMC: I also have another SVER. I will be making another video soon as SVER. One of the reason I started making vides is becuase I got sick of noob gamers talking like they know what the are talking about and the only way to shut them up is to show proof.

[Moragami]

What is this auto-aim of which you speak? Why would anybody need assist aiming? Don't you just point your gun where you want to shoot and pull the trigger? You know, like you would with a real gun? If only there were some way to simulate this in a computer game... Hmmmm.
Mouse and Keyboard = WIN.

[swifel]

Yo MAR-TYR-DOM,

Modern Warfare 2 is one of the best games of ALL TIME!!! Great weapons, maps, and the online is perfect, nothing is wrong with it. Plus real pros play Modern Warfare 2 because its more realistic than Battlefield. Battlefield games are GARBAGE! You just don't like Modern Warfare cause your not good at it. Smarten up scrub.

[Eiffel]

LMAO.

What's denial like?

[mario888]

watch this again noobs and tell me what you see: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

What do you not understand? MW2 = Auto AIM
Bad Company two = Auto aim except for sniping which is really hard.

Most next gen gamers think they know what they are talking about. Most of them don't even realize how much Auto aim there is in MW2 and BC BTF2.

The auto aim is there to even things out between the skilled player and no so skilled player. The only difference now it Infinity Ward went full Noobie from MW1 to MW2.

I will not dispute with you on how fun MW2 and BTF2 is. Being able to just pull up and get a kill can be very satisfying to the casual next gen gamer but gets pretty boring fast for others.

[Conventional]

and a bunch of really terrible players coming together to form a bit of a clusterf*ck

[bjornbear]

as in

MW2 = easier than BF:BC2

yes it =)

face it, these kids who openly prefer MW2 over BF:BC2 are butt hurt noobs that cant face the fact a more serious and massive game has come =)

(this doesn't apply to all MW2 fans, some might just not get into BFBC2 - but lets face it, many butt hurt MW2fannoobs like we see here today are definately guilty xD)

[W-k]

LOL!!! COD is so easy who wouldn't be good at it..you are a real noob swifel."you just won a trophy for noob of the year!".BF:BC2 is a way better game with better weapons,and better maps you have to work for your kills unlike on mw2.and don't get me wrong i like call of duty i have all of them made for consoles but bfbc2 is a better online game.

[Sinsarmor]

demo was fun until the noobs found out about c4 and atvs >.> oh well

[Neo Nugget]

*thought of a new way to destroy tanks and crate buildings.

^_____^ fixed.

[Twilightx7]

In a demo limited to one map, one game type, and a limited weapon selection, having fun by strapping C4 to a speeding ATV isn't noobish, it's exploring the gamespace. If you can't enjoy something like that, you should be playing something else.

[evrfighter]

the pc beta we have to worry about UAV's strapped with c4 flying into crates...

annoying but gotta give credit to the person who first thought of that.

[GamerPS360]

noob found out about C4 but what are you pro doing ?? watching noob to get in your area then plant C4 and doing their objectives ?

You just need to build the skill to counter attack of every attack.

[bjornbear]

exactly

had that happen in one of them - we decided to just barrage the enemy with rockets =P

we had become RPG "noobs", but we stopped them =D

[TehCell]

The demo was a letdown. I made a euro psn just to get it early. It felt and played just like the first game, except with slightly different controls and slightly better graphics. It still had the jaggies, however. Overall, its "ok". Oh, and the campers......

I cant belive im saying this, but MAG is better than BF:BC.
Why?
Less campers, no jaggies, better graphics, better soundtrack.

[ThanatosDMC]

I've been camp whoring in MAG a lot recently after i unlocked SVER tier4 anti material sniper rifle plus the long range scope. It completely pisses off people and they try to hunt me down.

[perseus]

I don't understand what people are saying about campers. I've just spent 4 hours playing this demo, and never found a camper once.

By "campers" do you guys mean, "people who shoot you first"?

That's kind of the point of the game.

Also, since when can you run sideways and shoot an automatic rifle or light machine gun? Has anyone who is complaining about the lack of shoot/strafe actually fired a real weapon? No? Maybe you should join the armed forces, and get some experience. Once you graduate from high school, of course.

Running sideways while firing a light machine gun will end up with bullets in your feet or in your squad members.

Regardless, this demo is perfect. All we need now are pilotable jets and it will be just like the old days in BF1942/BF2.

[ThanatosDMC]

I didnt disagree with you, but "campers" are usually refereed to snipers or those that just stay in the base for defense and easy kills.

[perseus]

I know what people mean by camper, I'm just disagreeing with their anger against them.

A) The whole point of defending is to dig in and find a spot to shoot the bad guys from.

B) Snipers are meant to hide in the trees and shoot you. That's their job.

The problem is that people don't use common sense.

Here's some advice from Papa Perseus:

1) Don't run over hill top, around corners, or through doors. Crouch and go slowly.

2) Don't allow your profile to be seen on top of something: hills, roofs, windows, etc.

3) Always check before running across an open space.

4) Stick with your squad. If your squad sucks, get a new squad. One good squad can win the game for a crappy team.

[bjornbear]

when defending obviously there are campers - if there weren't thats not defending

but when attacking one should expect that.

also campers in the demo aren't a big deal because the level is HUGE, and the mountain top (which is where they all hang out) is an easy place to spot them.

it isn't camping if you know where they are ALL THE TIME =P its just tactical

+ there's so many blindspots for the attacker that most campers end up with less kills than attackers (at least in games i've been playing =))

[bequietjohnnie]

I dont know why there are so many off topics on here debating whats better than the other. I really like the beta of this game. It seems like its takes my favorite things from killzone 2 and COD and mixes it together really nice. I can't wait for this game

@1.7 huwmor- sniper shots will kill guys with one shot if you hit them somewhere close to the head. if you get them in the leg or arm, they shouldn't die.

[Lirky]

The beta was fun the demo is just as fun. The fps speed is 100% perfect enough to fit in vehicles to use. MW2 the character is the vehicle since how fast they move imagine vehicles in MW2 multiplayer it would be too fast. dizzying in fact. Motion sickness inducing.

[Henry Cain]

MW2 is well pass overrated. Very unbalance game, with perks that make you a super human killing machine. Not to mentioned all the glitches the game has. MW2 is crap.

[Chapulin]

MAG has a better online multiplayer. IMO

[rob6021]

Agreed, after 10 hours of mag, then trying this demo, the only thing better about BC2 was the scenery - it was a huge letdown after the hype it generated. MAG is the new king of Online shooters, this game is just so unorganized.

[Holeran]

Both BC2 and MW2 are great but both require completely different trains of thought when you want to succeed at them. I also like MAG. Honestly I think a lot of people, myself included are going to be spoiled this year with good FPS. Love one hate the other or like me try and find the positives in all of them. Different experiences but all so well done. Bravo to the competing designers in this realm.

[gijsbrecht]

I had more fun looking at MAG youtube clips, than playing the BFBC2 demo. They are both striving for the more tactical approach, but MAG seems to nail that part perfectly and of course more massively. The graphics of BC2 aren't that big a deal imo and the level of destruction doesn't play too big a part gameplay wise, I think. Perhaps I should spend more time with it, but my initial feelings towards this game are lukewarm at best.

[younglj01]

M.A.G. is on a whole other lever of gameplay and fuking love it.I finally started using a mic and it makes tha game so much better.And if you work as a team you will have alot more fun.Alot of people play this like MW2 and you CANT.It not that hard to fuking figure out.Play like a true gamer and not like a ass.hole.I hope all tha noobs return to MW2(I'm talking to tha lame ass noobs at IGN.I wish I could met you on tha battlefield and kick your ass.)

Now BC2 lol all I can say is MW who.If you dont get this game you fuking stupid.PS3 and 360 owners should get this game.

Join as a Noob
Leave as a Soldier

or

Join as a Noob
Leave as a Owned Noob

you pick......

[SuperbVillain]

your just complaining about the movement of characters in BFBC2 because your used to running around full speed,and turning in every direction like a crackhead...battlefield is a more realistic game,and actually requires skill to kill people...if you cant kill people in this game,you might not have the skill.and just because you dont ahve the skill to play a game dont call it a bad game.I am done.thank you.

[gijsbrecht]

I agree with you on that one. People just have to adapt to the feel and flow of a game. Personally that's why I'm a huge KZ2 fanatic because it's handling so much differently than the CoD series. I LIKE the heaviness. But most of all I like the skill you gain by playing it a lot. It's just so rewarding.

[Tormento]

this is probably the only game i have fun with weather im wining or losing cant wait tell it comes out.

[insomnium]

Whether I was in a tank or sniping or just assaulting. Doesn't matter I owned everyone. I got numerous killstreak medals up to 8 or 9 kills and many many others.

I really like the fact that people die quicker than in the first BC. I just got my general of army-golden trophy in BC1 and I have to say that in BC2 they kept many of the things that made the game good intact and improved many aspects.

I only played like 2-3 matches and I have to try again tonight but it seems this game ROCKS!

I got my copy of MAG too today so I'll be a happy gamer tonight=)

[GamerPS360]

lol, so you killed everyone but did you win the game ? or did you just sit on top of the hills with sniper ?

[insomnium]

We were able to defend the objectives. The game was long and even. We defended the last possible objective and won. I sniped SOME but mostly I was out there running and killing. I disarmed objectives atleast 4-5 times so no I really wasn't camping as you are trying to impy I think.

[GamerPS360]

over 800 kills and about 500 death so far.
89 dog tags and still going strong

I'll probly play this beta until it's over and then I'll play demo on console until retail games comes out.

MAG in PS3 and BC2 in PC, I am loving it. And, just finished ME2 which was very good game as well.

By the way, I just started playing MAG and I am getting owned :D.

[younglj01]

...........

Join as a Noob
Leave as a Soldier

or

Leave as a Noob
Leave as a Owned Noob(lol I'm calling IGN out)

[Conventional]

when I can team up with a fellow medic and we just carry each other so well right into the back of the enemy base, resurrecting each other and making sure our health is maxed! And of course we're laying down the heavy fire power with our lmg's!

[krauler]

pffft, no prone. wtf?

[360 PIMP]

game of the year
i don care about god of war im talkin about real thing

[TwinEgo]

Hit detection on the PC is terrible, I cancelled my steam pre-order and get me a refund. The console version however is fine in terms of hit detection as I found on both my PS3 and 360.

I will probably re-buy it when its released on the PC if the bullet reg is tweaked for the final release, however I didn't want to sit on a pre-order on the hope it will be resolved... Spent too much time *hoping* MW2 would be fixed and look where that's gone.

Either way, good game once the bullet reg isn't an issue, with it... well unplayable for me as I play high level whenever my skills allow xD

P.S. All these BF:BC2 bum boys who are disagreeing with posts that are actually FACTUAL statements should really take that digital download out their arse. You fan boys are as bad as the console bum boys.

Lets hope DICE can do what IW couldn't... and listen to the masses!

[divideby0]

played the PS3 beta, 360 demo and last nite the PS3 demo...game is meh in all of them...not much diff. than the first game....
I want a new shooter, waiting on MAG and BC2 is NOT it

[mario8888]

Ok everyone, this person thinks MAG is amazing, so therefore it is.

No, the consensus is that it is mediocre crap. BC2 outdoes MAG in every relevant way.

And, I'll be getting BC2 for my ps3, because I like my ps3 and I think it deserves to be used for quality gaming, not c

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Consensus by whom? The 10 million casual noob gamers who bought MW2?
MAG is a No Auto AIM G Game and has a high learning curve.
BTF2 console has auto aim and only does 12 vs 12.

Sniping is fun, but finding people to shoot can be tedious since its only 12 vs 12 and. The game should have been at least 16 vs 16 with the same amount of vehicles but that a whole different debate.

BTF2 sniping:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Please no comments about why my video is short. I was getting someone to film with a camera before I went out a bought a compsite cable to hook it to my very old camcorder.
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[sGIBMBR]

I think its quite annoying how on the PS3 Beta i was able to unlock & customize all my weapons, add scopes etc, but on the 360 Demo the only thing i can do is unlock a new gun.

This also gives 360 only owners a false impression of what the game is truly like, how are they to know that you can customize guns etc?

I prefer the map in the demo to the beta though, and it seems that they have slightly done up the graphic's. All in all, this game is awesome, much better than MW2 IMO, but each to their own!

[SIX]

I just picked up MAG and I can clearly say that MAG is definately the sharper of the two control wise. Battlefield just seems really wobbly and unresposive to me. It does have a single player mode though. With that said I think Battlefield is a better package. Over all, it's not a bad game. I found it fun, just not as fun as some of the other top shooters this gen COD included. Say what you will about Modern Warfare, but you have to admit. Those guys have that "twitch shooter" style gameplay down to a science. I've just never been a huge fan of that type of gaming. Objective FPS is more my style. MAG is actually a perfect mix of COD and Battlefield. I'm loving that game right now.

[mario8888]

Over all, it's not a bad game. I found it fun, just not as fun as some of the other top shooters this gen COD included. Say what you will about Modern Warfare, but you have to admit. Those guys have that "twitch shooter" style gameplay down to a science. I've just never been a huge fan of that type of gaming. Objective FPS is more my style. MAG is actually a perfect mix of COD and Battlefield. I'm loving that game right now.

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The twitch shooter that Infinity Ward has down to a science is: I see first I pull up and you are dead.

Try this in MW1 or MW2 for PS3 L1, R1, L1, R1 , L1, R1 when you see someone. You will notice it locks right on. Ever wonder why sometimes you aims swithes to a different player and not the one you are aim at?

Hopefully MAg does well so gamers like me can get more no auot aim games that I grew up on.

[THE_GLOW]

Maybe dice have been a bit too ambitious, the graphics are .not what i expected. The kill cam really shows how bad it looks. MAG looks better IMO, a lot clearer. I guess PC is the way to go

[DanCrabtree]

Yea, the demo did kind of play like MAG, same sort of feel. Personally, not a huge fan of that, although I do think its a little more realistic/accurate. But at what point does the developer say, "We are going for complete realism, at the cost of excitement and immersion in the gameplay."

Not a sermon...

[Ric374]

Hi,

My first post, although been reading all your comments for the last year! But decided to join the community. I have read most of the comments on this post, and it seems to be lets bash one online shooter over another?? why? I am a huge fan of all online shooters.. the battlefield series always being one of my favs. im 35 and have played games since the day of the commordore vic 20.. (sorry just setting the scene) MW2, MAG and BC(2) all bring there own elements. Im very new to MAG (just purchased) and to me its bloody hard, and more realistic warfare than MW2 or BC. Im getting use to it, and its got potential. MW2.. is a pick up and play online shooter.. although you need to rank up in the early days to get access to the perks and kill streaks which make it unique from MAG and Battlefield (all make you rank up to get better weapons) and of course to survive.. but Battlefield gives you access to tanks & aircraft which none of the others do.. and that gives the game its own style.. all have there merits, depends on what you want... i will always love Battlefield games.. i started with BF1942 on the PC.. and went on to enjoy BF V, BF2 and BF2012 (although we should have been wiped out by a solar flare by then).. where im am i going with this.. i suppose.. enjoy all of the games.. they all have there own style, and there all smegging brilliant!!! and just remember once upon a time it was pixel graphics and we all played COMMANDO!!! and that was superb to!! how we have moved on!

[borgome]

Controls suck
Weapons suck

Just made me appreciate how good COD after playing that steaming pile of crap.

The iron sights on that assault rifle are a joke.

The online numbers won't even come close to COD.

[Justin_bristoe]

agree with borgom