Killzone 2 Outsold by Halo 3: ODST in a Day: Does That Mean It's Better?

Loot Ninja says:

"How does one gauge success? Critical acclaim? Overall Sales? Fanbase? I believe it falls somewhere in the middle. Based on this premise, one can argue that Halo 3: ODST is a better game than Killzone 2. The question is, do you believe that?"

[drunkpandas]

Great article. I’m surprised how fast it got to 2 million. I knew it would sell a lot, but this is much faster than I anticipated.

[Genesis5]

A game is successful to me if I have fun and enjoy playing it.

I also agree with Pirate Thom below me if sales are how we judge how good a game is, then Wii fit is the greatest game of all time.

[snipermk0]

be a gamer.. Not a sales man. Nuff said!

[gaffyh]

Yet another article which proves that xbox fanboys play sales rather than games it seems.

Which person didn't think ODST would outsell KZ2? Seriously, nobody said the game wouldn't sell, they all said that the game is not great.

[blackmagic]

What game is better/best is all in the eye of the beholder. I would say that both KZ2 and ODST have gotten good reviews, good sales and have strong fanbases which makes them both great games. It really doesn't matter after that. If your favourite genre is first person shooter then both of these titles are must plays and you should be ecstatic to have variation and choice in titles and gameplay instead of wasting time arguing about which game is 'the best'.

[Cwalat]

Whoever says "Sales=Quality" is an idiot.

Some of the greatest games i've played have all had mediocre sales numbers.

ODST is a beast interms of sales... For me, that's about it.

[ultimolu]

Does it have more quality than Killzone 2?

*crickets chirp*

[ShadowCK]

No, It doesn't mean it's better, it means that Halo 3: ODST has a larger fanbase when compared to Killzone 2.

[HolyOrangeCows]

It gauges quality on the same level as quantity. This article is idiotic.

[japanese_dawn]

White bread sells more, black bread sells less... We all know black (dark) bread is healthier, longer lasting and tastier. ;)

[DK_Kithuni_71]

I for one think Halo and Microsofts constant milking og the franchise sucks. But 2 million in one day is quite impressive. Sony would kill for sales numbers like that.

But hey. Halo numero whatever is all the Xbots get. We Playstation owners get choice.

[Boody-Bandit]

Then Wii Fit is the greatest game this generation!
How many people here play Wii Fit?

Can't have it both ways people.
Quality = quality
Sales = a lot of things
Hell if sales really equaled quality Brittney Spears would be one of the greatest female singers the world has ever known.

I'm not saying one (ODST vs Killzone 2) is better than the other because that is all a matter of personal preference which is not factual. All I am saying is this is a silly article and a done to death argument.

[Blaze929]

I gotta admit, that made me lol

Anyway all it means is that Bungie has successfully established one very loyal fanbase with a great game. So with each new game, there is already that huge fanbase to buy it.

Killzone 2, had a fanbase from Killzone 1. So its understandable the hesitation. Now for Killzone 3 it SHOULD be a totally different story seeing how Killzone 2 turned out.

[The-Warranty]

I love it when people say the Mods are Sony fanboys since my comments, yet mild, are frequently deleted lol

[edgeofblade]

Does not mean ODST is better.

It just means it's controls don't make people puke. And before anyone says the controls are just fine, I'm playing the MAG beta, and all the time thinking that if KZ2 had solid smooth controls like this, it wouldn't be sitting at the bottom of my closet right now.

Seriously, it just means ODST sold better. I think ODST is what a good Halo clone would look like. It would take the parts that made Halo good and frame it in a more tactical design.

Honestly, sales != quality, but how do you say one game has more quality than another game. That's a fuzzy comparison.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Killzone 2 is not a casual game. You won't see the same typical 12 year old boys that play Halo on K2.

[simplyRealistic18]

how many 360 exclusives sold more than 2 million, now compare the ps3 exclusives,yes the 360 have a game that could sale over 5 mil but how many 360 done that, they count only on 2 franchises, halo and gears, ps3 is more diverse that's why i like it more

****EDIT******

BTW this article is stupid just a flamebait

[RememberThe357]

They let people know about Halo. So when anything Halo related happens, people are watching. This is how you sell videogames. What the hell is Sony doing?

(Sorry to bring them into this, but I really do want to know. Infamous still isn't past a million units sold. That game is freakin awesome!)

[Winter47th]

That is just embarrassing..

[Doctor_Doom]

THAT'S INSANE

[eagle21]

Or do you only like metacritic when you actually can beat a PS3 game? :)

I'm sure the only people satisfied with this news is Bungie and Microsoft. The fans are looking at their TV's like WTF? The amazon reviews are average and we all know why.

[Viper7]

in the past, most of the ppl said the world was flat, however they soon realized they were wrong.

Popularity or sales =/= good game

Not that I am claiming that H3:ODST is a bad game as I haven't played it, just implying the obvious.

[kapedkrusader]

...are a product of the fan base built by Halo 1, 2, 3 and Halo Wars prior to it's release. Compared to Killzone 2 that had to excel regardless of the lack of popularity of Killzone 1. Also, ODST is coming out after a year of very little releases for the Xbox 360. Owners were starving for something new to play.

[iamtehpwn]

ODST MAY be a mighty fine game but for $60, you're KIDDING.

You're telling my Halo 3's outdated Engine is worth the same as a brand new, high tech experience like Uncharted 2 in full HD Quality and presentation--?

I'm sorry, I can't get a justification for this.

[All-3]

It does indicate that one game is more popular than another though.

[Another One]

Sales don't make a game better or worse. I like Halo better for a lot of different reasons, but sales isn't one of them. to me, Halo's controls, story, and multiplayer make it a better game. But like everything, this is my personal opinion and it doesn't mean KZ2 is a bad game. Gamers these days are far too defensive. It's a sign of the times.

[orakga]

Hahaha... well played, sir.

My question to you is... why don't you just SELL the damn thing instead of letting it gather dust? I sold mine a few weeks ago, and got $30 for it; which went toward my ODST purchase.

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But seriously, let's all be honest here and admit how BAD Killzone 2 actually was, shall we? Sure, it DID have some GREAT quality to it (32 players, BEST GRAPHICS EVER, great class-based gameplay), but it was FAR FAR FAR from perfect.

And Guerilla Games was too proud to admit to their problems that the game suffered from shoddy controls (NEVER had a game been criticized so much just for control sensitivity, even before launch) to unbalanced multiplayer (boost X assault; retarded game balance).

ODST, on the other hand, is a sequel to a game that HAD NO INHERENT FLAWS. Yes, the engine is old and WAS old when Halo 3 came out. But at least Bungie didn't release a f-ed up product that made it UNFUN to play the game, and people who played Halo 3 all knew what they were getting. ODST's strong sales is proof of how satisfied the Halo 3 customers were.

This would not be true for KZ3. A MUCH SMALLER percentage of KZ2 players will end up buying KZ3, because KZ2 did not satisfy their customers to the same degree that Halo 3 did.

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Switching gears, Uncharted 2 is doing well with pre-orders PRECISELY for the same reason. Uncharted 1 players were thoroughly satisfied with their last purchase, and know EXACTLY what they're getting. i.e. their money's full worth.

[ultimolu]

And yet I am not proven wrong.

Disagrees change nothing.

[HDgamer]

Well the group known as I love boys bought this game twice.

[All-3]

I for one thought Killzone 2 would sell more copies than it has - and I know there were a whole lot more in here that previously thought that as well.

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>how many 360 exclusives sold more than 2 million, now compare the ps3 exclusives,yes the 360 have a game that could sale over 5 mil but how many 360 done that, they count only on 2 franchises, halo and gears, ps3 is more diverse that's why i like it more

Come on - Forza 2 sold over 2 million, as has Fable II. As for how many 360 games have sold over 5 million copies - so far THREE. What have exclusives got to do with this article anyways?

Just leave it at - ODST has so far proven to be more popular in sales than Killzone 2 - period.

[BattleAxe]

Theres nothing else new to play on the 360 as far as shooters go, so people are going to buy anything that MS comes out with. Its either Halo, Gears, BattleField or CoD for shooter fans.

On the other hand with Sony you have people playing Socom, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, CoD, BattleField or the MAG beta. Other then that, Infamous was released in the summer.

[SiteNblog Defender]

Just goes to show you that MS knows how to market games, and that their fanbase buy games instead of hyping them on the internet.

[RememberThe357]

Did you really just try to tell us all the Halo 3 had "no inherent flaws"? Besides not being a great game, combat was lame, the graphics were worse then a game that came out a year before(GeoW), the story was lame, and the AI was weak. Those are all flaws. I actually liked Halo 3 but I'm not blind enough to say it was flawless.

The controls for Killzone 2 are different, not broken. I play frequently so I KNOW that. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it broken. I'm actually not sure if I want to go back to the other way FPS were controlled, and this is coming from a former COD4 fanatic.

Killzone 2 has it's flaws but they are made up for by the weighty controls, gorgeous visuals, and addictive multi-player. Better single-player story telling and the game would have been near perfect.

[Xelai]

KZ2 is the superior game, but to me is like having a nice car in your garage just for showing of wary of, letting it out.

Check the KZ2 for seeing how many people are playing little over than six months after release, 3 000 people, thats it. Peak hour in the US and still play time in Europe.

Go over to Halo 3, almost 300 000 people, add to that ODST and it is more than 400 000 people playing two years after release.

Seems that Halo is the car people get out to have fun and enjoy, not just admire in its showcase.

If not, why not play more? Sincerely of all people here how many are doing hours at KZ2? Not me, nor anyone else it seems.

PD The excuse about Xbox users not having gaming options is ridiculous, there are loads of shooters on 360. Gears, L4D and Halo are the exclusive ones. On PS3 we got Resistance 2, KZ2, and MAG beta, but it is only a Beta!!! Options on both camps. ( sorry if I missed any relevant shooter ).

[prowiew]

Gamers = prefer quality over sales
publishers = prefer sales over quality
fanboys = Depends. If the game sucks, but sold a lot, they prefer sales. If the game is good, but dont sell, then they prefer quality.

[DaTruth]

What else are they gonna buy? Seriously, what? Look how long they been waiting for a game to play, you think they aren't going to run out the second it releases.

If you didn't have sex in a year, how fast would you run on the first offer.... And you wouldn't be too picky!

[FamilyGuy]

Where was it sited that odst sold "2 million" copies in it's first 24 hours?
How do they have the count so fast?
Was it 2 million exactly because that sounds a hell of a lot like a shipped number rather than a "sold" number (not that I don't believe a halo game could pull it off). The number just sounds retarded as a whole number.
Oh- http://news.vgchartz.com/ne... LOL

Anyway, I don't think anyone thought it wouldn't be passing killzone 2 almost instantly and this reporting seems like a backlash to those 360 rpg sales recently. LOL, what goes around comes around and all that.

[IaMs12]

Id also like to add that Quantity doesnt always not = quality. Just because a game sells awesome doesnt mean its not good too. Usually it indicates the opposite. Most people who know about games are through popularity. Note: Most people, dont even know about N4G.

I still find Sony fanboys hypocritical, because when something sells bad on Sony its still high quality, and when it sells awesome they rub it in the Xbox faces saying its twice the quality. Look at KZ2, for the few weeks before and after it was released no matter what thread you were in, even Wii you saw someone talking about KZ2. Im calling it right now that no matter what the outcome of UC2 gets all we will hear on N4G for the next 2 weeks is how great it is, 1 copy sold or 200 million sold. I also noticed that PS3 games seem to be forgotten a lot more and faster then other games too.....

Anyway awesome numbers we all knew it would sell regardless. Shows how people still like to play Halo, yes there are people outside of N4G, its not the world in here.

[PROFIT]

they delete anything thaT CRITICIZES M$

[orakga]

My bad, perhaps I should have phrased that better (i.e. the "has no inherent flaws" comment). I was simply referring to balance in gameplay.

And I agree, Halo 3 has a crappy storyline, but I wasn't even referring to that, so please let that one go.

Also, don't assume that just because I wrote something bad about KZ2 that I did not play it. You can go check my trophies and will see that I did hit the top rank within a week after the game came out, and even played through both DLCs. Hell, I was even in the beta FFS. In other words, I *AM* informed enough to criticize this game.

You said that you are a former CoD4 fanatic... what else have you played that involves aiming a gun? Please name something from BEFORE the 360 and PS3 generation, because when someone claims to be a CoD4 fanatic, I tend to wonder if that's all they've played. (in which case, I could understand why KZ2's controls might feel "fresh" to them; despite already having been proven flawed back in 2004)

[Xelai]

Not considering the 200ms KZ2 latency versus the 67ms CoD4 latency.

That is why many people think CoD controls are great and KZ2 are not.

KZ2 takes more time to get used to as it is not as fast and responsive.

[Sarevok]

Anyone that crys about killzone's controls just sucks at gaming.

I never played a game like killzone 2 before.
but I been playing fps games since 1996 and the controls never bug me.

I log onto killzone 2 like once every 2 days I get like 140 kills and will only die about 30-40 times.

so yeah if you cry about it you just suck it's not the game. ;3

[Ravage27]

I've played KZ2 for 7 months now and not once did i find anything wrong with the controls. If anything, it just made COD controls feel floaty and weird.

[aueslander]

....soeone brought up B Spears, but let me ask you this....The Beatles, one of if not THE best band of all time, have sold just about more albums and singles than any artist in history, would you say they suck?

Point is, the only thing I wonder is with sonys good exclusives (and i do enjoy KZ2, MGS4, Heqqvenly Sword, God of War, etc) why is the percentage of PS3 owners who buy those games so low compared to 360 exclusives? I mean only like 9% of those that have PS3s bought KZ2 yet like 37% of those that have a 360 bought halo. I know I will hear "Haloez iz all dat da tree siddy doods have to play" but if a game is good, then why do that not sell more? You will always have exclusives of new IPS that dont sell a ton, that is a given, but to hav so many exclusives that all sale low (that is attach rate) compared to the other guy is a bit perplexing.

At any rate, I ws at Best Buy at 1200am for ODST and love the game so far. As far as the value, i never bought any of the DLC for H3 so the deal was good for me and I am going to see about getting into H3 online after I finishe the story (only played an hour due to work).

Still, I will hold off on saying which is the better FPS until REACH comes out since it is confirmed it will have a new engine for it.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

'"Yet another article which proves that xbox fanboys play sales rather than games it seems." Yet 2 millon people are now playing Halo ODST which is a game.

Put your dunce hat on and sit in a corner. You're in timeout for being dumb.

[Jake1111]

When gamers are putting their fanboyism above their desire to play great games, this is a sad day...

Halo is not even close to the same quality of Drakes 1... Let alone drakes 2.... I have both systems and I can honestly say that I havent played a game that is even close to the quality of Drakes 1.

There is nothing even remotely close on the 360.... I really do hope that MS does something with Natal because I am seriously thinking of selling it.....

Jake

[Jaces]

What does popularity have to do with anything? Okami wasn't to popular and yet it was an amazing game.

Anyway, it's no surprise to see these numbers. Impressive, but not surprising. You'd have to be pretty dumb not to buy ODST...I mean Halo is the reason most people bought an Xbox.

[ProperFunked]

wow, [now that i think about it] your totally right. well said. and that being said by you =]

[ceedubya9]

thing I've been hearing lately. Why do people keep saying things like "360 gamers have been starving for something to play?" Have we forgotten that games have been coming out for a while now?

I own a PS3 and a 360, but if all I had was a 360, I think I'd be fine. I mean, lets take a look at the games that have come out recently:

ODST, Blazblue, another Guitar Hero, Madden 10, NCAA 10, Ultimate Alliance 2, Dirt 2, Batman, Fight Night Round 4, UFC, and so on and so forth. And that's not even including games still to come for the rest of the year. Are all of these games exclusives? No, but 360 gamers are buying them and playing them month to month.

360 owners have had plenty to play, it just that some of you are so stuck on PS3 exclusives that, while fantastic games, hardly anyone seems to play or even care about overall. Its just dumb to saythese things, and not even really funny.

[Kornholic]

Game sales don't contribute to the quality of the game one bit. It sends a message, sure, that the product is popular.

[edgeofblade]

Whoever said KZ2's controls were "different, not broken" is an idiot.

I go play other games and wish KZ2 controlled like those games. That's a rough definition of broken to me. If KZ2 wasn't so stuck up about its realism, they might have made the game fun. Instead, they made the game a chore.

Honestly, when you dig into Halo, you realize they did a lot of work to make the controls feel right. Forget the high and mighty talk about "30 seconds of fun, over and over". The one thing that Halo got 100% undeniably right was the control. The one thing KZ2 got 100% undeniable wrong... was the control.

[syanara]

ig it's got halo in the name its gonna sell if its a FPS with halo in the name its REALLY gonna sell because halo has the largest fan base next to GTA. sales do not judge the quality of the game. whats said is alot of people in the open zone are just going off on a killzoned spree.

[wallace1000]

ODST is a great game, i had lots of fun playing it yesterday and plan on playing it again today. You guys need to stop focusing on which game is selling more and which console has more games because the only person it should matter too is you. Buy the console and games that you want to play. Don't join the childish comment hurling that has infested this once great website.

[Pika-pie]

Which is better is one persons opinion over the next.

More popular never means better. Would you say the Wii is better than the 360 because it sells more?

[mastiffchild]

Three thing here:1, Halo sells on the 360 like Mario does on Ninty platforms-it's the franchise that represents the demographic who buy it's console.2, Killzone2 is a follow up to a widely regarded failure(a noble on but a failure) and is building a fanbase.3, The PS3 demographic, not being largely built around a FPS like the 360, has a more varied buying preference(games like TR,RE5 and SF sell better on there despite being different genres as they have long history on the Sony playforms)and as such ALL shooters do better on the 360-look also at how games like Banjo sink almost without trace compared even to average shooters on 360.

So, no surprise and no guage of quality.

And Edge, fella, just because you don't like the controls doesn't mean they're broken. IMO, the beta controls should have never been tampered with, there should never have been ANY kow towing to the COD4 boys who weren't prepared to learn ANYTHING new and then the MP would be even more amazing. I don't see why all our shooters have to feel the same as , to me, variety is a big part of gaming and with similar controls all FPS(which have more probklems than most genre games in finding any identity of their own)we're killing that.

Fine, if you don't like/didn't like the controls in Killzone2 don't play it. It's just a shame that GG watered the experience down for those who did like it as it was meant to be played. Bot ALL games need to be pick up and play accessible-in fact I prefer a longer learning curve these days. If I want that kind of game I'll play Halo and COD4(which I, indeed , do)but sometimes I want something different and not just another shooter with COD/Halo controls in differnt skins.

Honestly, i isn't a crime when you don't like a higly respected game. It doesn't make you a noob but nor does it mean the game is broken-it's just called having different taste.

As for comparing the two games-I'm not sure what I think of ODST. I think I wish they made a bit more of the investigative hub portions of the game as it's not investigeted enough for me but you can't blame them, either, for pandering to the fanbase with more "classic" Halo style gameplay can you? It's better than I was worried it was gooing to be but as I've already got most of the maps included it isn't great value.

However, it's undeniably Halo and to be surprised at it selling well is silly, imo. Halo sells well on 360-who would have thought! A good game in a great franchise with a massive fanbase starved of any great shooters this year sells well on the 360! Even Pachter could have predicted this one!

[PirateThom]

Yes, Wii Fit is the best game of all time.

[callahan09]

Precisely. I thought we'd established long ago that sales do not equal quality (and quality does not equal sales).

[Simon_Brezhnev]

lol lets see how they going to spin it oh i know Wii is not next gen

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

Let's try to spin it: Wii Fit is for women, Halo is for men.
Anyway, Okami and MadWorld are crappy games too. In their combined lifespan, they couldn't even sell half of what Halo ODST did in a day.
God bless America.

[FireJackal]

Oh,it's that so...hope you are enjoying your wii fit ;)

[kalebgray92]

the guy above me ... he's saying since that game sold the most it doesn't mean its better like a halo expansion over killzone 2... not the case

[blackmagic]

Sales do have a relationship with quality however. The quality of a game is directly related to the development budget. If the budget is small then that will impact the amount of money available for every facet of game development from talent to art assets to quality control and even marketing. If a game is expected to sell well or it is a sequel in a high selling franchise then it will get more money allocated and ultimately be a higher quality title. If the title is in a niche genre or a sequel in a mediocre selling franchise then the development budget will be smaller which will impact quality. Also, if a title doesn't sell well, it may never get a sequel. I'd say any title that sells or is expected to sell over a million is a good selling franchise and should have a budget sufficiently large as far as how it affects the quality.

[Dutch Boogie]

no no no GT series are the best games of all time. Over $55 million sold and counting lol.

[GamerPS360]

wii fit is the best game this generation.
Mc Donald is the best food in the world.
Walmart is the best place to shop.
Microsoft is the best company to work for.
China is the best place to live (most population).
Titanic is the best movie.

what else...
I let you guys add.

Sick of these pathetic headlines 'coz I don't read articles with flamebait headlines.

I am not saying killzone is better or Halo. Quite frankly, I didn't like any of them. I am more into ARMA/Battlefield/Operation Flashpoint guy.

[kalebgray92]

the sales isnt what makes it great the game does .... you advancements... for example graphics... which odst didnt improve on at all... or gameplay... sure they changed a little but still is the same.... just without a shield and dual wielding

[4Sh0w]

Bro really his comment doesn't actually make sense if the point he's trying to make is sales have no relation to quality. Of course high sales generally have something to do with quality.

Comparing Wii-fit sales to ODST or any other game isn't really a good comparison because wii-fit sales to a whole new demographic...wii-fit sales comparison would make more sense being compared to the latest exercise gimmick being sold on QVC channel, its a different market, people looking for a way to do a low scale workout regularly= Soccer Moms n old people.

KZ2 and Halo both sell within the same genere, only on different platforms, if anything KZ2 sales should be lower only because of a smaller fanbase, however I think KZ2 sales still are porportionately a lot lower, especially for a game sony poured so much money into, but in KZ2's defence theres only like 1 or 2 other games that can compete with Halo's popularity this gen, I think MW2 will come close and FF might have a shot at beating it.

[devilhunterx]

stop stealing my lines :)

[edgeofblade]

Ummm....Dutch... trouble with math?

2 million ODST games X $60 = $120 million in sales.

[kalebgray92]

yo good argument... it was legit .... +bubble for you

[DaTruth]

Here's where your comment fails; 360 has a userbase of FPS players, PS3 has a userbase of all different game players, most of which, either don't like FPS's or are not partial to them. How well would Halo sell to to a Wii fanbase, how well will GT5 sell to PS3 fanbase(more than Forza).

Obviously an FPS will always sell better on an FPS console. By your logic, Tales of Vesperia > Tales of Vesperia. Tales of Vesperia sells better on a console with a bigger RPG fanbase!

All gaming media sites and writers know this, but play stupid for the sake of flamebait hits! Fanboys play stupid for the sake of flaming!

[paul0388]

That's Micrsoft's mentality.

[Double Toasted]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Gyshall]

Xbox fanbois will buy anything. Played this game, it is so generic it hurts.

[Daz]

halo odst is a fun game to play and thats what matters most.

[drunkpandas]

I think both ODST and Killzone 2 are fun. You're right, having fun is what's most important.

[fiercescuba]

Yeah man. I'm just trying to have a good time and not get caught up in the hype machine, but it is prudent to take a look every now and again and see what the eff is going on.

[ShabzS]

finally some one said it ... bubbles to you guys... game on

[LostCypher11]

wait your saying that I can enjoy both games? that's crazy talk.

[Erotic Sheep]

They should make a seperate zone for this on N4G. The uh..."Extinct Gamers".

Yeah I'm pretty sure ODST is a good game, some may still agree its overpriced for what you're getting but I also had no problem forking out $60 for Heavenly Sword, which I, amazingly enjoyed.

Anyhow.. *goes back to Batman* woot \o/

[Another One]

on N4G? This is not possible. You guys are a figment of my imagination. Here you go imaginary N4G posters. Have some bubbles. =]

[Erotic Sheep]

I vote for a mass orgy to save our species >.>

[Another One]

Thats a little disturbing and a little funny. I don't think you'll have any takers though. lol.

[SupaPlaya]

.... nice name lol

Wait you guys are trying to put this flame out?? How dare you!!!

Bubbles to yall.

[Tinted Eyes]

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

KILLZOWNED!!!!!

[OmarJA]

Killzowned indeed HAHAHAHAHA!

B-b-b-b-but teh salez = quality, WiiFit says hi.

[El Botto]

Banjo
Halo wars
Crackdown
Mass effect

It must be better than all these games.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

Wii Fit > Halo STD

[Kill Crow]

And unfarted Poo ...

Brought to you by sony Poo station ...

[I did not murder him]

Yeah because Pro Sony no name sites where coming out of the woodwork fearing these numbers hence their collective lowering of the score by these reviewers lol.

[infekt]

Shows that most people are sheep. A sane person would buy quality.

[tatotiburon]

Don't forget that Killzone 2 drop to 91 and now Halo 3 >>>>> Killzone 2

[Noctis Aftermath]

pretty large gap between Metacritic score and user score for ODST... 6.6 ouch.

[insomnium]

do a google search "Microsoft buys advertise" and afterwards do a search "Sony buys advertise"

I rest my case.

[Alcon Caper]

Umm, people who love this game don't compare it to other games. They appreciate it for what it is and have fun.

Both games have positive aspects.

[DARK WITNESS]

Thank you... finally someone gets it.

They are both good games... I am playing odst now and i am really enjoying it and it is a game I am going to be keeping... it may not be as long, but I am enjoying it more then halo 3's campaign.

[DrWan]

so this sale is not surprising, plus original sold alot too.

[drunkpandas]

Whether there were many big releases around it is somewhat irrelevant. Moving 2 million units in one day is pretty impressive.

[DonCorneo]

http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

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Dec-07
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yup, sales = quality

it seems that games that sell really well are aimed for 12 and uder

LMAO!!1!

that's exaclty the target market of gaylo with its rainbow colored rangers: tweens and toddlers

[chidori666]

http://bulk2.destructoid.co...

http://www.wii60.com/images...

http://i162.photobucket.com...

nuff said.

[solar]

SnoreZone2 wasnt great either. so its a wash.

[Kurt Russell]

"that's exaclty the target market of gaylo with its rainbow colored rangers: tweens and toddlers "

Quoted from a chump who can't spell, uses childish terms like gaylo and "laughs his f'in ass off" at the geeky nonsense stats the real world (and most importantly other sex) couldn't care a less about.

What a load of hypocritical chump nonsense filling someones poor server.

[3sq]

Go and look up at Metacritic. Is 84% equal 91%? There's your answer.

Edit: below if you already know the answer, why asked for it? Oh I see, you are looking for either a hit or a flamebait.

[fiercescuba]

I did. That's why I wrote the article. :)

[Alcon Caper]

Obviously flamebait: "An overpriced, overhyped expansion to a 2 year old game outsold one of the best looking and playing shooters ever made in a matter of 24 hours."

[xabmol]

Sad, ain't it.

[SupaPlaya]

going to get my fire extinguisher.

[Gamer_Politics]

sales speak for them selfs...Halo is just one of those big franchise brand names

[topdawg122]

If anything this easily proves that quantity is not better than quality. Killzone 2 > ODST

[S_Leonhart]

LOL LIKE HALO FLOP WARS.

[Munky]

It just shows how popular the Halo series is, that's it. But that being said, it's pretty alarming that KZ2 sold so few copies, the game was touted as the "killer app" for a long time by the PS3 brass.

[Raf1k1]

The thing is Killzone 2 is a "killer app" (as in it's such an amazing game). Unfortunately it hasn't sold as well as it deserves to.

[Munky]

But having never played the game I wouldn't know personally to comment on such. But it looks pretty sick from what I have heard and read about it.

[Morituri]

I have both consoles. I have halo & halo3. Believe me, I'm quite done with the franchise.

I also have copies of Killzone & Killzone2.

In my humble opinion, KZ2 wipes the floor with HALO. KZ2 is just an amazing game all around. The single player is exemplary. The multiplayer is amazing. The graphics & gameplay are unbelievable.

Halo will always sell more, that's just the simple math of who owns what, but for me, starting with part 2, KZ will always be better.Can't wait for KZ3 & KZ4.

[Panthers]

The only thing I like more about Halo online is the vehicles, especially with CTF. The only problem is that I do not see that working with KZ2. KZ2 doesnt need vehicles. It would probably ruin it.

[cervantes99]

I also have both consoles and have always loved Halo games, but Killzone 2 has such a better campaign.

Disclaimer:
I am primarily a single player only gamer, so I value story and character connection over multiplayer any day of the week. Killzone definitely wins the single player component. Multiplayer on the other hand I cannot comment about.

Off topic: Uncharted 2 Multiplayer has me hooked - so that says a lot about the multiplayer in that game :)

I did buy ODST though and look forward to the short campaign and may even try the multi a bit (I will probably get destroyed though).

Game on everyone.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Killzone 2 controls are exactly why I only beat it once and never played it again. Graphics couldn't keep me coming back for more. Halo 3 online became stale to me when COD4 came out... Firefight is fun though... but I'll stick to COD4 and COD:MW as the best first person shooters this on consoles this generation

[DaTruth]

Killzone 2 might wipe the floor with Halo 3, but Halo 1 is an unbelievable game and probably better than Killzone2. Halo 1 is legendary and one of my all-time favourite games, too bad I never owned an XBOX.

One question; Does the BC work well on the 360 with Halo 1? You'd think if they were gonna get one game right, it would be this one!

[aueslander]

You are kiding right? There is not much of a story (ok, we invade this planet, arrest Visari, that is it), I mean why are you there? why are you trying to arrest visari? Why are you dropping into a hot zone in AN OPEN CART WHERE SNIPERS CAN PICK YOU OFF WITH EASE??? Yes, having played KZ1 will let you know what is going on but they never at ANY time do anything even in dialogue, let you know what happened before. At least with Halo, every game they talk at one point or another about what so far has happened in order to keep you into the story in case you forgot or never played the ones that came before.......you never really feel connected to your own character and Sev could have been a standout hero, you have a dumbazz squad mate who just chucks out F Bombs ever other word (Rico) and the enemies, who everyone says has teh bestez AI evazzzz, dont really do anything special and as far as dificulty, like most games, the only thing that makes the enemies harder is that they throw more of them at you AND it takes more hits to take them down.

[Jamescagney]

Killzone just didn't make the cut.

EDIT:In a day?! That's pretty harsh.

[Tinted Eyes]

Actually yes it did, since it scored better

[Jamescagney]

It was beaten by hundreds of games then if it is taken to reviews.

[Queers of War]

Hundreds of games? Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but who knows. The point here is that KZ2 > Halo STD

[ReviewsArePolitics]

LETS BUY IT!!!!!!! ITS GOTTA BE GOOD EVEN THOUGH NONE OF THOSE 2 MILLION HAD PLAYED IT BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[ZBlacktt]

Honda has out sold Lamborghini as well. But which would you drive? The whole point here is one is a game and one is a state of the art visual cinematic master piece that "real" true hardcore gamers can appreciate.

[Razzy]

Gotta give props to Micro$haft....they know what the mindless bots want. They've lined up and paid 60 bucks each for an expansion & now that M$ knows they can get away with it (just like the RROD/51% failure rate) they'll keep spoonfeeding it to the drooling drones.

[Gamer_Politics]

its sad that many ps3 owners didnt run out and support KZ2 but like said before what hardcore fans like on N4g dont equal the whole world...

[DaTruth]

PS3 fans aren't generally FPS players! Nice of Sony, to know that, and still shell out big bucks making an incredible game for the few who are!

It was most likely an attempt to draw in the 360 gamers; Sort of a, look what we'll do for you if you cross over! Had they, Sony would probably be making 10 more of equal or greater value!

What do you want them to do, go out and buy an FPS game, knowing they don't enjoy them, just to support Sony's FPS division. What would be in that for them? More FPS's? Why would they care?

[Ripyealip]

halo ODST sucks PERIOD

[-x.Red.x-]

Wii fit is the best game of all time!

:/

[Jamescagney]

Ah the old roll out the Wii fit argument.

[Dead_Cell]

Just because it has become cliche as of late doesn't mean it is any less true.

[Jamescagney]

Not really, Wii fit isn't a game, as most of us gamers know, so why include it?

[Panthers]

If you go by sales, then Wii Fit is the best game. If you go by score, than I guess GTA4 or something. Either way, its LOL.

Killzone 2 is simply amazing and much better than Halo.

[Jamescagney]

I want you to name the top 10 ps3 games. I want you to name them because I may be getting a ps3 for xmas, and also because I want to see 10 games that are worth owning.

I gave up on consoles a while ago because they didn't have enough games to satisfy me.

[cereal_killa]

Actually he proving a valid point you see we all know that most of the crap on the Wii is well crap but Wii Fit, Wii Play and Wii Sports sold like crazy (with the exception of Wii Sports since it was bundled w/ Wii) But Fanboys here all want to try and justify everything with Sales so if it sells well it must be good but reviewers of the game say different so who's telling the truth here ........ How many games on any system that you know of (put sales aside) that were fantastic to play and when you get to play these great games do you honestly care what it sold? your playing the game and your enjoying it, shouldn't that be all that matters. If you look below you see Losers like Coryweb who is nothing but a 12yr old Sales Muppet who has nothing left but Sales to justify his love for the 360. RROD/E74 is turning the system into the laughing stock of the gaming world, multiplat are pretty much the same (this is no longer 2007) PS3 exclusives are now showing dominance in game play and graphics and all he has left is his poor little sales and this seems to be leaving soon to with the Slim/ Price cut through out the world poor Cory is going to be having a temper tantrum soon someone needs a diaper change then a nap.

[-x.Red.x-]

really now?

1.metal gear soild4
2.warhawk
3.uncharted 1
4.MLB 09 the show
5.Valkyria Chronicles
6.yakuza 4 (coming to US)
6.motorstorm
7.resistance 1+2
8.infamous
9.littlebigplanet
10.Heavenly Sword
11.Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction+ACIT
12.GT5:P soon GT5 today we will get release date
13.uncharted 2

soon
FF13VS
MAG
GOW3
syphon filter

just on top of my head.
enjoy...

[maniacmayhem]

No surprise, Halo is a great game.

It sux for KZ2 since it was suppose to be Sony's Halo killer but then again there have been so many FPS's for 360 and PS3 that stated they would be the ones to dethrone Halo.

CoD4 is the only FPS that came close.

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

unfortunately, COD4 did kill Halo 3

[Viper7]

baseballkid721 <- speaks the truth

I am not big fan of call of duty, but it is pretty much considered the definitive fps game of this generation so far. So many ppl still playing it and are probably dying to buy the upcoming sequel.

Some might even say that Killzone2 was actually trying to Kill COD4 instead.

[Jac5al]

O no, a Halo game outsells a ps3 game! The world is doomed.

[BigKev45]

I love my 360, but Killzone 2 is better of the two.

[corywebb93]

Halo odst will always be beter than any ps3 exclusive even iff it gets a 20 on metacritic because its halo killzone is a rip off halo

HAlo is for real americans and killzone is for meth addicts

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[Jamescagney]

The good old corywebb93 fake 360 troll.

[-x.Red.x-]

soo...
Halo 2 map pack is better then odst

PROOF
Bots are more stupid then droids....

[S_Leonhart]

corywebb93

Role:GaYMer LOL

Bubbles:(4)

Ignored by:70 users

Gender:male

Location:XBOT DREAM LAND

[NotSoSilentBob]

Its HALO should anyone expect it to NOT sell that much? Everyone who bought a 360 buys halo cause thats the SELLING POINT. Sales =/= Quality

[Stationfan]

Okay here it goes Microsoft spends millions to advertise Halo franchise, gets their bulk of sales within the first week and, while Sony doesnt advertise Killzone 2 but will eventually sell those millions. But in sony case the millions it didnt spend on advertising is spend on developing new ip and sequals,

As a gamer which companies policy do you prefer, since im not a microsoft stock holder i dont care how fast a game sales, as long is that game hits its quota that warrants a sequal im fine. maybe to some people if makes them feel like they are part of a something big, well in really they are sheep or lemmings what ever term you prefer.

Yay i was one of those 2million who went out and bought ODST /sarcasm. Now imagine this who is going to have more fun this year the person playing sales or the person playing the gem or as some reviewers have refered to U2, on the greatest game this gen or anyother generation.

[yoghurt]

Its Halo, it's been said many a time, if its halo it will generally sell well no matter what, from what I have played of Halo (Halo 3 I must add), KZ2 is 100 times a better game, no matter which way you look at it.

But, we must praise Bungie for creating a franchise which has so so many followers who are always prepared to shell out the $

[labaronx]

Killzone 2 was amazing and Halo 3 is still my favorite 360 title.... i'll never understand why people continue to deny themselves great games for "brand loyalty"..... to each their own i guess......

sadly my 360 died last week so no halo 3 odst for me until my MW super elite comes..... so that means uncharted 2 will have most of my gaming attention multiple console owning FTW

[Shnazzyone]

Both games were terribly generic multiplayer FPS titles. However Terribly generic (but pretty) multiplayer FPS titles are very popular this gen. Even moreso then last gen. Halo's success is totally hinged on the online base. Halo's multiplayer following is massive and at some level professional of course it's going to outsell killzone 2. It's an established generic multiplayer FPS! I have yet to hear about thousand dollar prizes in Killzone 2 competitions so until that happens. Killzone will have to settle for 2nd.

[axeblade1]

Yep I have both games and I enjoy both. Halo franchise is so well known world wide that it really is not a fair comparison to a lesser known series. Let's see how the Modern Warfare 2 sales do in comparison. That's a better comparison. I mean the sales from just the X360 version alone. I bet it sells better.

[Sangria]

I actually wish Sony would develop a Halo-like. Not in terms of sales but in a similar unicorn sci-fi universe. I'm curious what a Japanese company can do in the sci-fi theme (well, there's Quantum, but that's more in the Gears of War genre).

[corywebb93]

The halo maps are rated http://www.metacritic.com/g... 89 on metacritic it got higher ratings than 97 percent off ps3 exclusives including uncharted

[mrv321]

Map packs are rated different;y to games.

Also Uncharted 2 got a higher score than 100% of all 360 exclusives.

[S_Leonhart]

GAYlo 3: ODST-Average Score =8.4

GAYlo 3: ODST-User Score=7.5 LOL

"IT ONLY FLOPS EVERYTHING"

http://i34.tinypic.com/2mg2...

[divideby0]

do this moronic authors really think before they publish and realize how dumb they come across /
sure more sales means a better game...dugh.

I bought KZ, still play it.
I bought every Halo except the rip-off they call ODST

[Meus Renaissance]

Great games deserve great sales and if it doesn't get that, it doesn't make the game any less better. But by the same token, once we establish that sales do not equate to quality, we can't then pressume ODST isn't something that deserves it's sales which is precisely what most on N4G will spin this to. If it gets good reviews, it's still crap. If it sells amazing well, it's still crap. Oh wait - it's Halo, it's Microsoft; it is crap guaranteed before you even see the first screenshots or videos and that is the mentality people here have. Killzone 2 and Halo 3 are very different games despite people desperate to compare them. The only relation they have is that they are the flagship FPS title on each platform.

What I will say is that major releases, or at least exclusives, appear to sell faster on the 360 than on the PlayStation 3. Jack Tretton when asked about this in last year's E3 said Halo was a "one trick pony", which I personally found to be disrespectful and bitter considering that several games on the 360 attain AAA sales, not just Halo and this in stark contrast to Sony's fortunes with their exclusives. I personally am still angry at the lack of embrace titles like Motorstorm 2 got (anyone remember that?), Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and especially Resistance.

The PS3 fanboys usually complain about reviews and dismiss sales - in effect the 360 can't do anything right because the entire world is against Sony or the entire world is in partnership with Microsoft but they need to look hard at these sales figures privately and recognise they should be better. The PS3 is a great console with some amazing games but I was always depressed at the NPD software readings. Damn, what happened to LittleBigPlanet. These should have been system sellers.

You can understand why Square Enix and Konami took a serious look at the 360. It's not about being superior to the PS3 or anything but instead recognising themselves that AAA games will most likely be embraced by that 360 community more so than the PS3 one. That's not to say the PS3 fans here are any lesser gamers but just a reflection of what casual gamers have decided in retail.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Good post I guess.. it's all personal opinion and preference at the end of the day and its not MS' fault they found a game that clicks will with the majority of people in this region.

Sidenote: I remember when you were filled with bubbles and always had intelligent discussions on games and what not.. the intelligence is still there but the bubbles are not. Wtf happened?

[NoBias]

Fanboys happened to him. As with many others.

[corywebb93]

Laupht at me all you want ps3 owners but you cant argue with facts halo is the greatest videogame series on earth

EVen famous celebrities on youtoube sing about halo being the best
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[-x.Red.x-]

just stop
You're making me feel sorry for bots...

[NegativeCreep427]

The Beyonce song "Halo" has nothing to do with the Videogame property Halo you f*cking moron.

You do know that the word: Halo, more commonly defined as "the aura of glory, veneration, or sentiment surrounding an idealized person or thing" existed well before the conception of the Bungie property right?

Yeah you probably don't. You're so stupid you probably just realized the Olsen Twins are two people.

[Meus Renaissance]

Not everyone has an issue with the pricing of ODST. 90% of N4G does but then again 90% on the Xbox forums have an issue with the PS3/Sony. That tells you nothing.

What you have here is that people have bought this game in their droves. Clearly 2 million people who bought ODST have no issue with the game or it's price, hence it is unfair to introduce it in your article as something else represented by gaming forums.

[shutupandplay]

ODST just pwns. I have not even tried the complete multi-player experience or campaign. Firefight is just too damn good. Oh and killzone 2? I feel insulted they try to compare it to halo. The XBL community welcomes their games with open arms, not kill it in two weeks. PSN users are shameful, with their minimal online features and pathetic excuse for a community.

[peeps]

it's all down to personal preference but at least killzone 2 was a full game.

ODST is half a game since it's mp component is just the mp from a game released 2 years ago...

yeh halo's mp is good but cummon, i'd like something new for my money after 2 years, not 3 maps to a dated mp mode

[infekt]

You really are a gaming virgin, arent you?

[metafour]

I dont really care about the quantity, I am more in the quality. And KZ2 is better than ODST.

[cliffbo]

how about a graphics and gameplay comparison instead. is this really all the 360 fanboys have got left?

[The-Warranty]

Yes.

[azazin]

No.

[DirtyLary]

KZ2 out sold by beta key purchases. tsk tsk

[mario888]

K2 is a much harder game to play. I can't tell you how many of my friends and sons friends who just can't handle the fact that K2 does not have a lot of Auto Aim. How many of you have played Starwars Battle front on the PS2 or 360? That game was the sh!t but what was great about it was you had a choice of Auto Aim on and Auto Aim off Servers.

K2 better not change anything for K3 as far as the aiming. Don't get me wrong Halo is fun and I would rather play that than COD run around and see who pulls there gun up first wins.

All games have a certain amount of Auto Aim. Game programing has changed. Games like Halo and COD now use Auto Aim Assist that will assist your aim instead of just locking on. You still have to aim but how much depends on the programing.

Bottom Line : Noobs can't handle a game like k2 that requires much more skill than Halo and COD.

[DARK WITNESS]

lololol....oh no you did just do that...lol

[aueslander]

.....and by that if you remember that the controls are slugish and adjust to that, you will be ok, to say it is more hard core or not for new gamers is a farce. I love how the spin comes in that a game with sluggish/delayed controls is makes it more realistic as opposed to making it what it truly is, sluggish and delayed controls.

Next thing you know these same things like Mario say will find their way into fighting games and when people basj it for controls being sluggish he and others will say "No, the delay makes it more real since there is of course a delay between when you think about kicking and actually do kick someoe in real life."

Basically, saying that if you dont like the controls you must be a noob or anything of the sort is retarded. Take off the fanboy goggles and realize that sloppy control DOES NOT MAKE THE GAME MORE HARD CORE!!! All it does is frustrate players and gives dumbazz fanboys ammo to say that you just suck if you dont like them.

[cliffbo]

news just in:

Kebabs outsell odst in 3 hours

[ApocalypseShadow]

the fans of 360 claim to be broad based gamers that play more than shooters,but it still ends up with shooters selling more than the rest in a short period of time.

while ps3 gamers have a console company willing to spend money to create more experiences.microsoft and it's developers spend less and give you the SAME experience for a higher price.but it falls in line in what microsoft has done to it's fanbase.offer them less for more money.

microsoft points make you spend more for less content.with you having points left over.

if you want more hard drive space,you pay more,but get less than fair market pricing of HDDs.

you got devs spending less money in creation and offer gamers DLC as full priced experiences,but it's still less than full production games.

buy the whole console for the same price as a ps3,but get less built in.

halo:odst is just another notch in microsoft's belt in gouging gamers and taking their money and offering them less for it.i'd bet the commercial for odst cost more than the price to make the DL...game?...

killzone2 may have been outsold by this latest ploy to stick it to gamer's pockets.but i'd take a fresh new take on experiences than rehashes sold at full price.sony can keep producing games like killzone2 that push the boundaries.let the 360 fans have their moment in playing the same maps they played before.

[KingKionic]

But that defeats the purpose .

Halo reach comes out next year and by the time it comes out it will be a 3 year development game .

[Meus Renaissance]

I bet you Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 will sell x3 the amount as any PS3 exclusive this year. Heck it'll sell more than Final Fantasy in the West. That's why COD: WoW and COD4 are amongst the highest selling games on the PS3

[Double Toasted]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Halo_Reach]

I Loled.

[STARS]

And I lol'd at ODST's Metacritic score. Just goes to show you, people will buy anything with the name "Halo" slapped on it.

[TheOutsider]

And Microsoft screws you everyday!! Be honest You xbot f*cks only bought this garbage for the REACH beta! They know how to get to you worthless no brain F*CKS! I Guarantee All copies will be traded in by weeks end! SH*T probably now! YOU ALL GOT KILLZOWNED!!! HA

[mt]

we will name next killzone killhalo:odst so that sales will be 2 millions in 24 hrs

[bigrudowsky]

the drought of exclusives has nothing to do with how well this game sold if you truly believe that you sir are an idiot. The xbox is synonymous with halo like nintedo with mario Sony with Gow, point being that people buy these consoles expecting to play those franchises not only expecting to play them but craving to play them. While not everyone will like it theres many that will and i for one am glad its selling well not for bragging rights but because its good for the industry it shows that their can be mass success for games when marketed right and done right.

[chidori666]

KZ2 far better and exciting game than anything else out there.

KZ2 has the best gunplay ever seen in any FPS and the online multiplayer is unbeatable as far as FPS's are concerned IMO.

kz2 >>>>> all fps in this genration.

[shutupandplay]

So, what`s it like being in the minority? Good luck finding anybody outside N4G who would actually agree with that.

[enigmaticheretic]

Its doesn't mean its a better game it means it has Halo in the name. If you made a racing game and slap Halo on it then it would sell millions same thing with Halo Wars its a mediocre game but it sold well because it had Halo in the name

[Hanif-876]

Its one of the best games i've ever played!

[bigrudowsky]

i prefer resistance to killzone i just could not stand the boring enemies you had to face in killzone while it looked amazing thats all i was playing it for just the eye candy the game was not fun at all.

[reintype]

Overprice
Dlc
Sheep
Trainer

[JayAllard]

Sales are all that matters. We're number one in sales and that's honestly all we care about. We also keep quality in mind of course and ODST oozes quality (read the reviews) and happens to sell very, very well appeasing everyone involved.

-J

[baph777]

Hey, if you are really Jay Allard, do you know what score Dave Halverson is going to give ODST in Play Magazine? You might not know who Dave Halverson is. He's only been the publsher of the greatest American Videogame Magazines of all time: Diehard Gamefan in the 16-bit era and Play Magazine today.

About a year ago Play in their Mid Generation report said Halo 3 and Gears of War were two of the most overrated games of this gen (even though to be honest Halverson did give Gears a 10 in when he reviewed it in 2006, but he has also given 10s to Heavenly Sword (which he frequently says is his favorite game this gen. He does put Kameo on 360 up there with it) and the Original Uncharted.

I'm pretty sure that Microsoft has either had fanboys at these sites or paid for some of these reviews, but I am willing to hold off my final verdict until I see what Halverson says about it. Personally, I think he will give it the 8 or lower which I think it probably deserves even though I haven't played it) instead of the 9 which is way too high.

Why is it important to me. I love my Japanese games and don't really like American and Western style games because they don't feature enough anime style fanservice for my tastes. Even though you guys at Microsoft have been courting many Japanese developers successfully this gen, it is my opinion that if for some reason you didn't have to contend with Sony in the next gen, then you would drop all support of Japanese games on your platform like a rock, and I would be stuck having to play Western style games that I don't really like. Kind of like when Hollywood took over the movie industry.

If your company wanted to drop me a bone, you would ensure that FF Versus XIII comes out on 360, so that I wouldn't have to buy two consoles to play it, and also ensure that a Shenmue 3 will be made as the principal reason (and not Halo: Combat Evolved) that I got an original xbox for Christmas 2002 as my first last gen console (even before I got a PS2) was that I was expecting to see Shenmue 3 come to the original xbox after Shenmue 2 was on there Christmas 2002, and it has yet to arrive.

[Sikct9a]

Congrats to Halo! I still prefer KZ2 =)

[Caprica6]

Don't think that it's about the game just that Halo has a bigger fan base than Killzone.

[finbars75]

Theres know doubt that halo has a huge following no matter how crappy the the game is or I should say expansion pack.I knew it would sell alot but it shows the xboxs true colours by charging $69 for a 4-6 hour side quest and 3 new multiplayer maps showing how fanboys are afraid to move into the future of gamming and stuck playing dated crappy fps expansions.Killzone2 is good overall game but has more of a mature following not immature kids who havnt hit puberty.We all know theres more kids then adults playing consoles.Thats where xbox stands to where the ps3 is more enjoyable due to a larger adult base players.Dont get me wrong Halo had its run but has fallen further and fruther behind all the modern games.Some what like the xbox fans.

[Mr_Luke]

Halo ODST sells cause the HUGE Halo fanbase is buying it. Doesnt mean its a super product tho, i even think it's worse (technically speaking) than Halo 3...

[silvacrest]

glorified DLC cannot compare to a game that has had as much polish and quality as killxone 2

the only thing its got over killzone 2 is sales

also this article is obvious flamebait and should not have been approved

[RJ92009]

KILLZONE 2 had so much fun with it . i hope to buy odst soon just been sick lol i hate the flu

[bigrudowsky]

whats the disagree most people loved killzone because of the graphics... it got a free pass like the first gears did because it looke soo good at the time..

[mario888]

Why was killzone not fun for you?

Was the controls to hard for you? I will give you a hint on how to play K2 but it may will require a lot of practice if you want to get good.

Shotgunner:
Move with the left analog stick and slightly aim with the right. K2 is not like COD where you pull up and shoot. The game is made to shoot from the hip unless the target is far away.

Most noobs just stop and shoot but you have to realize if I move left you will not hit me with the full circle and I will then pop you dead. Again K2 doe not have a lot of auto aim so learn to shoot while you move.

If you really think your good then maybe you and your friends will form a clan or join one. My clan is 242 wins and 112 loses.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

U could put halo on a piece of do do and it would sell 2 million coies who is surprise...

[testerg35]

So you're saying people would rather buy sh!t than KZ2? I'm confused :/

[DevastationEve]

lol, what a fast one

[00000000000000000001]

Sorry, but I have to say yes, Halo 3: ODST is a better game than Killzone 2

[bunbun777]

Country music was the most listened to music in this country.

2 and a half men was the #1 most watched television show.

Are you a populist?

[testerg35]

I'm sorry, but PS3 fans are truely hypocrites.

"Does it have more quality than Killzone 2?" - 2million people seems to think so. I mean if KZ2 was so great then why didn't a lot of PS3 fans buy it?

"Go and look up at Metacritic. Is 84% equal 91%? There's your answer." - That's cool.. as long as you admit that Halo 3 is better since it has a metacritic score of 94%. Oh wait.. it doesn't count right since the sites that metacritic uses are biased.

"Yes, Wii Fit is the best game of all time." - To casual gamers I'm sure it is.

"I for one think Halo and Microsofts constant milking og the franchise sucks" - Hmm.. 360 has been out 1yr longer than the PS3. There have been 3 Halo games. Let's see.. UC2, Ratchet 2, RFOM 2.. I'm guessing those will have a part 3?

[artsaber]

Wii Fit is $90 man, there ain't jack shyt casual about spending $90 on a game. Trust me, much thought goes into that purchase for most people. The economy ain't what it used to be, but it still sells well.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Hmm.. 360 has been out 1yr longer than the PS3. There have been 3 Halo games. Let's see.. UC2, Ratchet 2, RFOM 2.. I'm guessing those will have a part 3?

You just proved his point. Sony has other Games that they focus on and not just 1 as a Solo killer. Sony made the better bet with having all their first party studios to make the killer apps then to pull a MS and buy a few times exclusives, that eventually make it to the other console.

[testerg35]

Weird.. I thought MS had Gears 2, Fable 2... those haven't been popular?

[NMC2007]

I wonder how you all would reply if Uncharted 2 sold 2 mill in one day...... I bet the tune would be so so different.

[silvacrest]

my main problem with this is halo ODST is a $60 DLC and some people seem to think its better then killzone 2, thats there opinion but if it was uncharted 2 VS killzone 2 atleast there in the same ball park in terms of money used to develop, gameplay length etc....

and of course halo has a MASSIVE fanbase from the original xbox while killzone 2 and uncharted are new comers still getting recognition

[testerg35]

Silvacrest... plz look at all the ODST articles and 80% of the posts are from PS3 fans claiming how KZ2 and UC2 are better. Actually look at this thread and see who are the people actually claiming so and so is better.

Edit: Also, look who is complaing about the $60 price tag. Its not like PS3 fans ever intended to buy ODST. Last I checked PS3 fans paid $40 a demo and then willing to pay another $60 for the complete game.

[Optical_Matrix]

This doesn't prove that Halo 3 ODST is better than Killzone 2. If that was the case WiiFit, WiiSports and all those other sh1tty peripheral mover games should have won countless GoTY awards by now.
Personally? I think Killzone 2 rapes Halo 3 in every way. It doesn't feel so arcadey and I get more satisfaction out of Killzone grittier and clunkier feel as it's more like a warzone. And it requires more skill.
Halo 1 was epic. Halo 2 showed people how online FPS on consoles should be done. Halo 3 is the most overrated piece of shiz this gen and doesn't deserve the Halo name.

[DuneBuggy]

No it doesnt mean its better.
I'd rather play L4D even though its panned for having a limited number of campaigns and basically 4 hours of single player.

Im not into Halo,but its got to be somthing more than hype for Halo 3 to remain a great seller after 2 years with competition like COD4 and other shooters.
Cant really offer a opinion on Killzone as ive never played it.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

It's easy to sell millions of one game when thats all you have ?

Take a look bots we have 4 exclusives in one month , BOTS have 1 ....

[NegativeCreep427]

Xbox 360 has very few notable exclusive properties. Of course the king of all those 360 exclusive properties is Halo. Gears of War doesn't really count because it is still very feasible for Gears of War to appear on the PS3 in the future (Imagine an enhanced Gears of War 1 & 2 collection for the PS3, much like the God of War compilation coming soon).

Anyway, the Xbox 360 exclusivity software library is a very isolated market. What does Xbox 360 really offer in terms of actual software that isn't and can never be available on other consoles? Halo and a few Rare properties that have fallen from grace in the past few years.

When the millions of people who own a console such as the Xbox 360 really only have one major exclusive franchise to purchase and to play as their own and collectively as a single console community, it is natural and expected for that franchise to be noticed and to be purchased by the great majority of the people who own such a console.

[IQUITN4G]

Yup ODST is a much better game especially once you start opening the city part

Killzone2 is very pretty like and it's hardly a terrible game, but it's not particularly enthralling past it's obvious hollywood thrills gamers seem to love these days - ie gameplay isn't too bad but is outshined by it's production values

[DevastationEve]

ODST beat KillZone 2 in a day? Man...in a DAY! Lol, that's gotta be embarrassing.

In one day a game that's only been developed for a little while has outsold PS3's premiere "many years in development" FPS.

B3yond funny, lol.

[artsaber]

It is ridiculous, because that means we should apply that logic to consoles as well and say the Wii is a better console than the 360 and PS3... so lets do a live case study on N4G!

If you believe the 360 and PS3 are better than the Wii HIT AGREE.

If you believe the Wii is better than the 360 and PS3 hit Disagree.

[arakouftaian]

but you people have to admit that killzone 2 is a masterpiece and a better game.

better ai
better grafics
better sound
better everyting

but thats does not make halo a bad game it still fun and good . don't hate other games and just play the games you like .

[Premonition]

Dont forget i think another factor to its big sales is that MS added betacodes of some sort for Halo Reach, and im pretty sure lots of halo fans want to get into that game.

[Obama]

I didn't know games like wiifit and Nintendodogs are the best games ever? Killzone 2 managed to get a 91 avg which is a lot higher than ODST, so I would say killzone 2 is a better game.

[DevastationEve]

91 is "a lot higher" than 84? It's like not even a full grade higher!

[Rifle-Man]

Well, around here anything below 80 is considered a total failure and is utterly unbuyable, so I'd say that, yes, 91 is a lot higher than 84.

[testerg35]

So will you agree Halo 3 is better than KZ2 since it got a 94%?

[ThaGeNeCySt]

lmao so you also believe that Halo 3 & COD4 are betster games than Killzone 2, correct?

[Rifle-Man]

I think we already figured out earlier today while discussing the whole Uncharted 2 8/10 review fiasco that the numbers are ultimately meaningless.

[corywebb93]

WOW halo sold that in one days imagine in 1 week is going to be over 12 million thats more than all ps3 exclusive sold together and more than any ps3 exclusive will ever sell is going to take killzone over 25 years to reach half the sales off halo

Killzone 2 Outsold by Halo 3: ODST in a Day: Does That Mean It's Better?

off course it those

[Rifle-Man]

Not surprising. Good or bad, and for whatever reason, Halo is a phenomenon. Killzone 2 is just another kick-ass shooter.

Kinda sorta maybe makes me want to get an Xbox a little bit.

[BX81]

Look at all the haters! Why so mad? ODST is fun and so is the halo 3 multiplayer that was included. Get over it. It's selling well, so what? I don't see why everyone is hating for. For me I enjoyed Halo more but KZ2 was all around a pretty good game. Graphics aren't everything ladies!

[keysy420]

i think its easy for people to use the graphics excuse for killzone if you take away graphic killzone is still fun as hell.and a really good game without graphics. in my opinion better than halo

[Ninjaspeed313]

if killzone 2 sold 2 million in 24 hours you be hearing it non stop from these so called sony players what a shame

[Morituri]

Halo is a monster consumer product, backed by a marketting strategy the likes of which the modern world has never seen before. Halo mugs, Halo slurpees, halo bobbleheads, Halo product placement on tv, Halo Halo, Halo...

IE: Halo anything will sell as long as the word "Halo" is etched somewhere on the product.

Halo parasites? - Sure!
Halo kick in the Nads? - Yes please sir!
Halo STD? - Absolutely!

Is Halo a good game? Undoubtedly yes. It has to be. I enjoyed the first one (until the flood).

Is Halo better point by point than Killzone 2? I respectfully disagree, and I say respectfully because you have to give props to MS for what they did with this Halo property. Simply amazing. Money in the Bank.

[djreplay]

Killzone 2 is an 18 rating which probably stops a third of the fps fanbase who own a PS3 from buying it plus the xbox has sold 7 million more console's and haven't had a decent game all year. Thats how you sell 2 million in 24 hours. PS KZ 2 is better imo

[DuneBuggy]

(looks at Halo 3 case that was over by the TV).Its..uhh got a M for Mature rating too sir.Im guessing ODST does too.
Like thats stopping kids from playing "adult" games anyway. You never notice the moms and dads looking at their kids Xmas list and blindly grabbing whatever game is written down?
Whats your other arguments? Larger console base..OK might be a factor.
The "nothing decent has come out all year" line was explained very well by bigrudowski some comments back now.
Might want to look it up.

[NoBias]

Dumb argument, djreplay.

[jack who]

aww look at all the damage control

[harpua]

good point...these bots defending a system with a 54% failure rate is hysterical.

[jhani]

I guess everybody knew that kz2 was a better game than Halo odst and would outsell it with HUGE numbers. We can sit here and defend kz2 all day, But u know in the business world "Money talks and bullshit walks". At least it sure does for Sony and Microsoft;)

[napoleon_ist]

Halo ODST is outsolded by Wii Sports's 45.71 million copies.

sorry xbots but one -like me- could argue that halo ODST is $hit.

[Demon5500]

People can't get enough of halo, odst was some what different in art style ,and on the Sony front All this means is there is more people using there ps3 as a blue ray movie player then a console, killzone 2 should have sold more, but it was not the best game but still sales is sales, uncharted 2 should sell a truck load or there might be some changes.

[JeffGUNZ]

It shows what the mass prefers. It shows what's more popular and desired by the average consumer.

[Relientk77]

No

sales do not mean its better

sales =/= better quality

[Ko_Uraki]

Nevertheless Halo 3: ODST is a fantastic fps.

[JonnyBigBoss]

It's really a shame. Killzone 2 was an outstanding game and deserved more.

[MaximusPrime]

Again with the sales...

Im only interested in quality of the game.

Uncharted 2 will be a quality game. If it doesnt sell fast but steady, i wont be surprised. I like quality games.

I just cant see how people will enjoy another Halo game. Isnt there any decent games xbox 360? Don't worry i understand. ;)

[BYE]

F*** graphics and good gameplay, just give us generic shooters that are too short for a full price and we're happy.

[Pizzagaki]

Good gameplay = generic.
Mmmkay.

Now thats bull.

[Figboy]

look at all these obnoxious, untalented "musicians," that people fawn all over (i'm looking at YOU Kanye), and yet the quality of their - what the!!

"Yo, Yo, Figboy, Imma let you finish, but I just gotta say that Halo 3: ODST is best FPS of all time."

Damn you, Kanye West!!!

[Rifle-Man]

Nickleback is the best rock band of our generation!

[Rowsdower]

just that halo is more profitable than KZ2

[Ldubbz]

Way to point out the obvious....of course, certain people in here swore that K2 would sell like hotcakes before it came out, pointing to the pre-order sales, but now act as if they knew all along that it would only do OK, apparently because Sony is bad at marketing. Which they are, but its not the only reason, or even the main reason.

The excuses in here are pretty funny tho..."Its because there has been no games all year!" Really? Is that how the 360 continues to sell more SW? Is that why even when PS3 sales jumped 15% for a week recently after the slim, the 360 SW jumped 20%?

For all of you solely playing the exclusives game, youre sorely missing the big picture. Its easy to wanna discount multiplat games when they sell much better on 360. And there are far more MP releases.

And why act like MS exclusives this year were somehow failures when they outsold their competition? We can point to reviews all day, and say what we think is better, but none of that really matters, does it? If people aint buying it, what does that tell you? Vid games are not some avant garde thing that people dont know about, its a huge form of media. If a game dont sell, its because people didnt like it on a whole for whatever reason. Simple as that.

EDIT @ below

Dug yourself deep there buddy. So K2, technically the third game in the Killzone franchise, which had been endlessly hyped since E3 2005, didnt sell because of a low install base? REALLY? You sure you wanna say that? well...

Back in 2006, a mere year after the 360 dropped, and had a much lower install base, a little game called Gears of War dropped. Maybe you heard of it? Anyway, brand new IP, sold much better than K2 did. Why? The marketing? Granted the marketing for Gears was very very good, but thats not it. I think its because its a kick a$$ game.

[spektical]

Sony fans knew that Killzone 2 would not sell well, because the install base for the ps3 is still low. They also had extremely weak marketing. I laugh at people like you, because you say Killzone 2 was hyped when there was only one ad that aired for about 2 weeks (that my friend is not Great nor decent marketing .. thats horrible marketing for a flagship game.) The fact that Killzone2 even sold 1.75+ copies is amazing for game with little OUTSIDE world coverage.. the only people that knew about Killzone were Sony fans.

The only good games M$ caters now are Gears , Halo , Fable and Mass Effect after that you have lots of mediocre games, whereas the ps3 has many games that cater to different tastes. Also the tide is turning Multiplat games are beginning to be better on the PS3 (Batman AA and Fifa).

p.s stop using the excuse that because lots of people buy the game means its a great game... have a nice day :D

[TheMailman]

Last gen grafics but great sales numbers...

[Iceman100]

lol killzone isn't even a real shooter does it matter if it didn't?

"The WIIzation of Xbox 360 as begun...
Last gen grafics but great sales numbers..."

so what does that make the past place ps3? it's just a super ps2 basically without outdated components.

[patterson]

Congratulations bots, you just sent a big fat message to M$ that this is acceptable. Expect more of the same in the future.

[Pizzagaki]

Hope so, the game is perfectly balanced, and plays like a charm.
Thats what i want out of a game the most, that it plays great.

[harshtruth]

This is similar to Infamous vs Prototype... Prototype sold more, why? 360 owners bought prototype because they had no choice. A small amount of PS3 owners bought prototype because they are idiots... 360 owners eat up rehashed halo becuase they are starving for exclusives... ps3 owners dont have that problem, they can be more selective

[Rowsdower]

hugs

[spektical]

of course killzone 2 is a better game than a halo expansion pack. Sales do not equal quality and M$ is running out ways to pick up the bar in experience. IMO it seems like the xbox has almost reached its threshold and it'll even out after this year; all while the ps3 has yet to reach their halfway point. Halo games sells its a large install base especially in the US, whereas Killzone has a small install base, because the first game was a joke. With Killzone 3 you should expect the sale numbers to increase easily.

[chidori666]

lol, bots only play sales not games....

fact.

the sales of halo sdtv and not nothing to me.. killzone 2 still better than halo sdtv so far.

[Pizzagaki]

Your just a silly gfx slut who thinks better gfx = better game.
Halo is the better game cause it plays better.

[Henry Cain]

Puff Daddy has sold more albums than Nas, does that make him better rapper. Hell Wii sport have sold like 20 plus million that doesn't mean its better. The point is just because a game sales more than the other does not make it better.

[Ldubbz]

But thats a very simplified way at looking at it. Ususally, but not always, what people deem as being better will sell better. Its not that hard to understand.

Games, especially 'hardcore' games arent music or movies, its not a passive form of entertainment, so to try to compare and contrast the two is impossible.

People go watch Transformers because they want escapist trash. Many of those people know that say Schindler's List is a much better film, but dont necessarily want to see that in a movie theater with a date or the kids on a Friday night. Or they are just stupid if they actually think Transformers is the superior film. Same with music.

Games are a different beast altogether that require a whole seperate discussion.

[Odin777]

Revel if you must. But I only care about the quality of my game...That is why I bought Killzone.

[Thoreau]

halo3 multi/player is fun and casual, KZ2 multi/player is brutal and punishing. KZ2 offers little to no auto-aim as well. the question is do you want to jump in and perform reasonably well or do you want hardcore punishment for being out of position.....?

[OrganicMachine]

you see, Killzone 2 is directed to capture those hardcore gamers.. Halo is a generic shooter (in terms of gameplay) that welcomes EVERYBODY... so you'll see more sales on Halo because it doesn't punish noobs that bad compared to killzone 2

[glennc]

wrong! it has a bigger fan base because more people have played it and it is an established IP. KZ2 is the only FPS worth anything on the PS3 and every FPS fan who owns a PS3 would want or already own it. it has to be, it is the only one ever referenced by fanboys over and over and over and over and over again

there are more shooter fans on 360 given the PC nature of the console. PC gamers generally shift over to xbox if they change because they are very similar gaming tastes. the PS3 caters for a slightly different market. the PS brand has not, up until KZ2, had a strong showing in the FPS genre

[keysy420]

other games do to. still its a overpriced expansion. im not getting it i have no intrest in it. its not that great of a game judging by halo 3 which to me was halo2.5. so thats my opinion

[keysy420]

bot are giving way for m$ to comeout with total bull and they dont have to change it

[Thoreau]

"Congratulations bots, you just sent a big fat message to M$ that this is acceptable. Expect more of the same in the future."

thank you patterson.

[Pizzagaki]

Hope so, ODST is a great game, its perfectly balanced and plays like a charm.

[Pizzagaki]

Quality = meeting up with the customers expectations.
If customers buy the product massively, then customer expectations have been fulfilled.

Therefore, Sales are a good Benefit review to measure quality.
Any Project Manager would know that.

[Major_Tom]

but the quality is lower than previous iterations of the halo franchise, so who exactly is saying that a quality standard was met, you? That's an opinion, add that to the rest of the professional opinions and you get a 84 average, ten points lower or a 'grade' lower than other Halo games.

Now you're just talking like Bobby Kotick, you cannot gauge the theoretical quality of a product by sales otherwise you just end up looking like a fool. (I.e. you) Instead you still have to refer to the flawed opinion system (1-100) however this is the only way you can accurately gauge a games quality and as it stands there's people who obviously disagree with you, myself and metacritic being two sources.

[OrganicMachine]

will buy anything with halo on it.

Halo is a well established franchise, of course it will sell well

killzone 2 is not a well established franchise YET, the first game didn't break grounds but it did garner enough loyal fans.

[Hudahudahuda]

Killzone 2 is freaking awesome.Best shooter this year so far. No way ODLC is better.

[dkgshiz]

How would sales make anything better?

[Pizzagaki]

I already explained that, creating a product is about fulfilling customer expectations.
If you succeed in that, you can call your product a success.

[Stationfan]

Killzone 2, is still selling but due to no advertising from sony its selling by word of mouth. The thing that Killzone 2 did for Sony was dispel the notion that people had about both systems. During that time people saw that multiplat games were looking better on the cheaper system, and many felt because it was more powerful.

And the 360 had a graphical impressive game "at that time". Gears franchise. But when Killzone 2 came out it quickly shut down the naysayers by destroying everthing out graphically and technically. It had the best graphics, animation, impressive a.i..

Why do you think nowadays everyone on the 360 side never mention a graphical advantage anymore, because no matter if a certain multiplat game ends up looking a better by a pixel the ps3 exclusives still run laps around it.

Im not trying to glorify graphics, as i love a well balanced game that has gameplay with graphics, but im just trying to dispel the myth that K2 didnt do nothing for sony. Sony has a new engine along with more knowledge of making the ps3 architecture squeal.

Which benefits future sony games, evidence by Uncharted 2 that has the gameplay along with some killer graphics, and i bet if you look at the end credits they will have a special thanks to Guerilla Games, Insomniac, Santa Monica for collaborating all the in house knowledge that they have aquiered.

That to me is more important than sony blowing off a milion bucks on an uncharted slurpee cup.

[glennc]

has anybody actually said sales equals quality or is this article just a complete waste of time??? i don't even need to read it to know it's pointless?

2mil in a day is still impressive no matter how you spin it. just a shame it isn't a full game.

[baph777]

That means its about as much better than Killzone 2 than all the records and cds that have had better sales than Tom Waits' albums have been better than his records since 1974, in other words No.

The only problem with Killzone 2 is it the Dualshock control doesn't have triggers.

[keysy420]

360 HAS NO GAMES THIS IS IT FOR 09

[Bluejet]

I bet if I wrote Halo on my johnson the 360 fanboys would suck it ! LOL LOL Just kidding. You guys really will buy anything with halo on it.

[spektical]

of course anything branded HALO and every XBOX fanboy will rush to buy it.. kinda like the same thing with a new Ipod

[olLANDSHARKlo]

It outsold KZ2 in 1 day? WOW. Guess the ps3 fanboys are put in there place after today.

[spektical]

nice try at flaming ;)

its alright though next year you'll be crying when the only good games you get are SCC, AW, and a watered down version of FF. :)

[leetugz]

its the only half decent exclusive x box game dat been out 4 a while, not surprised it sold well! was thinking bout getting it my self, so i dusted off my 360, pressed the button, but wait 3 red lights, piss take!! killzone 2 it is lol

[xg-ei8ht]

orakga

I actually agree with you, imagine that.

Spot on.

Everything you said makes perfect sense, for anyone that does not understand, get back to school asap.

But i'll tell you something strange.

I played halo 1 on PC Long time ago. and then tried the second one sometime later, long time had passed. Never liked the second one. at all.

I don't regard halo as story driven, it's just a basic fps, with some nice weapons.

Don't get me wrong i enjoy bf1943 and have a blast playing it, but not all the time.

I'll be playing

Uncharted 2
GT5
Demon souls

I'll also check out Lost planet 2 as well.

[spektical]

ooo Don't forget MAG :D and R&C: ACIT. :)

[Funky Town_TX]

Sales only mean it's better when it's what you like. PS2 sold 1 trillion consoles so it was better. You see that logic is only true when it comes to Sony. So whenever a 360 game or hardware sales good it's because M$ has paid people to buy their games. Sales don't make a game better, but for the sake of Sony fanboy logic let's say it does. Once the NPD numbers come out and the PS3 sales have passed the 360 then better sales = better product. So I say as of right now better sales = better product.

[redsquad]

Where are the articles saying ODST has stunning, groundbreaking visuals?
Where are the articles saying ODST sets the new bar for gaming immersion?

Nowhere in sight - We just have "ODST outsells KZ2 in a day".
360 owners should be so proud of their console right now... *sniff*

And I refer you to answer @25: Go to the store, buy the number one game and every time you'll have a winner by your logic.

[Funky Town_TX]

I was being sarcastic. Better sales only means better product when sales favor Sony.

[LCF]

Wrong Zone lol

[LCF]

There Is A Sucker Born Everyday.

[badbond1]

Take your RROD and shove it up your azz! Uncharted 2 and Ratchet and Clank Demons souls and Gran Turismo will be purchased this year! $299.99 slim will be purchased by Christmas. True 1080p, free online and better games! Killzone 2 is a masterpiece, along with MGS4, LBP, Heavenly Sword, and InFamous, beoootches!

[MeatAbstract]

Impressive. Well done Bungie.

I can understand peoples mentality towards KZ2 after the control system, I was quite shocked with it. I don't agree though that it let the game down. I found that grasping the controls (and not changing it to the CoD controls that most people felt they had to do to make it 'playable') just made it like every other game I play. Thats part of playing a game, you learn the controls and gameplay style. You take your time in KZ2, you 'duck and cover', a theme a lot of games is taking these days but hey, it worked.

To be fair, I don't play KZ2 anymore, the online didn't keep me gripped and my PS3 died when I was on THE LAST LEVEL on elite mode and I don't have the heart to go back to it.

Never tried a Halo game. I have Halo 3 waiting to be played right now which I'll probably try later on and see what its like.

[Ace777]

NO.

quantity does not equal quality. The only reason Halo:ODST sold 2 million its first day (which i will admit is impressive) is because it has a long established fan base of almost 8 years compared to Killzone's which is a lot shorter. Not to mention that it has the word Halo in it so its a first day buy for most 360 gamers, especially the ones who don't know any better.

[bunfighterii]

true that... isn't this the 5th game in the Halo franchise as oppose to the third in the Killzone one? and it didn't help the first killzone game was a failure.

[Majunior]

Hilarious.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

LMAwayO!

[bunfighterii]

Killzone 2 is my fav multiplayer/fps game ever...

But a total marketing failure. I never saw one add for it around launch in mainstream media.

[SnukaTheMan]

there was that slow motion killzone 2 commercial on every channel almost everyday...it was maybe on par with the halo 3 commercials.

[Panthers]

Ballet of Death would have been better, at least on late night TV. Wish that would have been the commercial.

[Shadowolf]

@ 1.17
I believe you said it best by stating that KILLZONE 2 is not a casual game. Even though both games are FPS titles, they are completely different in style, feel and gameplay. Most people can pick up a HALO title and find a form of enjoyment and immediate success where as KILLZONE 2 can be considered quite intimidating for the average FPS gamer. KILLZONE 2 is louder, heavier and literally more explosive. This no knock on any HALO title however it does take more skill to master the intensity of KILLZONE 2. From controlling your weapons recoils and rate of fire to avoiding sentry bots and invisible snipers the game is not something which would appeal to the casual gamer as often as an HALO title. It is completely hardcore and an acquired taste. Better is an opinion that I'll leave for the user, to each his own.

[Condemnedman]

welldone a sensible post . I prefer Halo i just couldn't get into Killzone. bubbles to you stating your opinion and not taking it as a fact.

[DARK WITNESS]

respect your opinion... but i have played and owned both and disagree on many points.

but overall they are very different games, I would not say there was anything intimidating about killzone 2... personally i just found it boring. I got to the last stage and that was it.

avoiding snipers and all that... well they were not hard at all. A room full of black spec-opps elites on legendary, that was hard.

[BYAAHHH]

I've never thought KZ2 was awesome. I was amazed by the graphics for like a minute, but after that started to fade, the gameplay was... meh..

[hard joe]

from quantity viewpoint
wii>x360>ps3
from quality viewpoint
ps3>x360>wii
what do you think?

[bequietjohnnie]

This has less to do with which game is better rather it has to do with the fans. Xbox 360 gamer's really support their games. My buddies all got ODST right away. However, I've had Killzone 2 since it came out and love it but none of my friends have gone out and bought it even though they've played it and really liked it.

[boss_killa]

nobody doubts its selling power. it's also a pretty good fps franchise that most people can pick up, play and enjoy.

killzone 2 on the other hand is also a pretty good fps, but it is way grittier and more intense than halo. not everyone can handle the camera movement, the heavy controls, the crazy expolsions, the flying and stationary bots. there's just so much stuff happening in kz2.

if halo was a superstar it would be the britney spears of music. killzone 2 would be alicia keys.

[air1]

odst out sole kz2 in 24 hours! in 24 hours! again, in 24 hours!

does it make it better? well, more ppl seem to think so..

and going by reviews from well known sites like gamepro, ign, edge,gi.. the game is great.

so if solid scores and great sales doesnt make it the better game then what does? graphics? many explosions at once?

halo has the best gameplay and gamplay wins over graphics every time. how can you ppl just deny the fact that more ppl play halo online than ppl play kz2?!

kz2 is just eye candy and the ppl have spoken.. in 24 hours lmfao

[GiantEnemyCrab]

We can't just say "congrats MS and Bungie on 2mil day one sales". Nooooo, we gotta throw Killzone 2 in the mix and make it a fanboy article.

Of course it's not better than Killzone 2(IMO), it's basically the same as Halo 3 with a slight graphics update but really it's more just the art style. The gameplay is a bit different with the more open area but it's still Halo.

How many times can this whiner mention "An overpriced, overhyped expansion to a 2 year old game". I'm sick of hearing "overhyped" just because MS can market a game properly and lots of people are enjoying it and it received many good scores(and bad scores). If 2 million people buy it day one is it overpriced? Sounds like people are just fine with it or they wouldn't buy it.

I didn't see anything ODST beyond the 1 live action commercial.

Should MS just not even mention the game?

[adlt]

I just think that Killzone is a better game because I've played it and really enjoyed it.

[DARK WITNESS]

its all opinion mate, I owned and played killzone 2.. and i think Halo is actually the better game.

[Commodore]

I was about to say something but I don't want to hit him with the reality that ODST came with a short campaign...NOTHING TO JUSTIFY the $60 price tag.

The only good news is that $120,000,000 went into the economy.

[PHIL1017]

odst sucks. my friend said that. ouch. remember he is a 360 fanboy. wow!

[Grown Folks Talk]

Just means more people wanted it. However, it still amazes me that so many people fail to realize that "better" is different for everybody. People have different tastes.

[bjornbear]

I might have the urge of never logging on again xD

---_---

on topic =)

its true...and its sad...but its reality =)

and, it will change, just like everything =)

[-DeathWraith-]

No, I still find many games to be better then any Halo, Killzone 2 included.

If you were to say quality equals the amount of sales. Then you're saying that Wii Fitt is the best game ever, meaning that your quite obviously an idiot by doing so.

[DARK WITNESS]

and if you apply that logic to the ps2 vs old xbox then it means the ps2 was not the better system.

[Marie]

Ballllllin!

[LUCKYXS7LEVEN]

god ppl are pathetic , HALO=MS=360=ALL the console has to offer n those 2 million will keep the halo reach beta key n return it to gamestop n get $40 bucks back. it's like paying $20 for a beta key.
im done with my rant but keep good quality games like kz2 out of the ultimate hype of halo. Halo-GH-GeOW-COD= milking franchise , only one succeeds n that's HALO . why? because anything with " FUZZY WUZZY COLORS" gets the boys all fired up

[n4gno]

"(NEVER had a game been criticized so much just for control sensitivity, even before launch) to unbalanced multiplayer (boost X assault; retarded game balance). "

You obviously don't know what you are talking about, controls are just perfect (probably not for noobs) an the game perfectly balanced (but you can choose your kind of game if you don't like some of the elements, all is possible online), but unlike other console/casuals fps, without skill, you'll always loose with kz2

[clintagious650]

Again if SALES is what shows a games TRUE QUALITY. Then I guess WiiFit & Wii Sports are the GREATEST GAMES OF ALL TIME.

[badbond1]

and did well over $100 million + and that didn't make them great movies! Killzone 2 is a masterpiece that some people don't get, however, in the long run, as more and more people buy PS3's, it will be time for people to have a choice at buying MAG, Modern Warfare and Killzone 2! It is good to own the best console in the business!

It is over because I say it is over! MAG - 256 online -until then, Xbox and live can fall into a hellish oblivion, right now!

The comparison between the two consoles continues to widen. Wait til Uncharted comes out. The timing will be absolutely perfect. Marketing/advertising on the PS3 is going so well, it's no wonder the Xbox 360 is trying scramble to get the fall and Winter season 2009 ahead. But it's not gonna happen. Ratchet and Clank is going to be banannas. Microsoft losers, you will be destroyed by - GOW I, II, III demo (in HD). Gran Turismo will change the face and feel of race gaming. I'll end it like that.

[ironmonkey]

way overrated graphics are old for a 2009 title your pretty much playing halo 3 good thing modders get this for free:)

[Knightofelemia]

I perfer Killzone 2 myself I rented Halo ODST just to see what it is like but 2million like that in sales I thaught it would have been better. I want to see what Halo Reach does with sales figures.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

It just means that people are more excited about playing Halo ODST than Killzone 2.

[chidori666]

^

says the guy in avatar of halo and username of halo... lmao.

[DR0Z0]

McDonald's has sold way more burgers than In-N-Out, does that mean McDonald's is better?

[redsquad]

If ANYONE thinks sales equate to better games, they really should just leave N4G forever. Why come here for gaming news? Just go to the local store, check out what's number one in the chart for your console, and BUY IT.

After all, it must be good, right??
My new argument of choice, and 'logic' "sales only" junkies can't really refute.

[lonix]

that's what happens when you starve little xbot's for months on end waiting for something good to come out

then they sell them DLC as a full game

and they buy it all up

silly silly little bots

[Ultraplayerxd]

NO WAY! its just that xbots have nothing else to buy that's all. :)

[boss_killa]

Wii Fit > Halo > Killzone

Wii Fit is the best game ever made.

k got it.

[swishman]

at least we can agree that cod 4 owns both these games...

[N2NOther]

Yawn. Another flamebaiting article. Sales means it's more popular. Though at this point it's safe to say that a LOT of people think Halo are good games. More power to them. I can't stand the series myself. But if sales dictate quality, explain Psychonauts, or Riddick, or Beyond Good & Evil.

[Condemnedman]

because it is a good game maynot be the best but it caters for all .Easy fun gameplay thats hard to master in multiplayer.

[N2NOther]

I don't doubt why Halo is popular.

[UziSuicide]

Unless they have something to say, why do these sites post their dribble?

One thing I've noticed with Halo product advertising, it's very rarely in game stuff if ever. Says a lot for it to be honest. Yet people still buy into it.

Whack.

[Gun_Senshi]

Look at sales ;)

[Condemnedman]

No it does not make it a better game but Killzone for me was soulless i played through it and never got involved with the story even the graphics failed to woo me .Now thats just my opinion not fact . but im enjoying odst but that me its fun and thats what im after.

[josh14399]

well considering games like valkyria chronicles are totally awesome and sold crap im saying just because it sold good doesnt mean it is better. to some people it is better but everyone has different opinions. its like saying wii-fit is better than halo because it has sold more

[The Judderman]

Im loving ODST. Great level design, atmosphere and gameplay. People will argue over this and killzone but for me ODST takes it. The little touches like when during the calm before the storm i caught two troopers telling a story, the time i ricochetted a bullet off a wall into an enemies head, the banshee i bailed out of just in time only to land on the back of a drop ship. Bungie may be behind graphically compared to some shooters but when it comes to design and gameplay their miles ahead. Ive already had more enjoyment with this over the last two evenings than all the time i spent on MW and Killzone. And thats what gaming is about. Worth every penny.

[Ninjamonkey]

Id say KZ2 is a bit better.

Also about your calm before thr storm bit, in KZ2 remember the bit where your snkeaking under the bridge and the helghast are talking about the main boss?

SPOILER:
where they say how a helghan got killed becuase he didnt wear the uniform right. The other was suprised and so the helghan goes "I sh** you not"

END SPOILER:

Brilliantly funny XD

[The Judderman]

Gameplay wise odst is miles ahead of Killzone and its checkpoint runs. Graphics aside odst is in a different league to Killzone.

[cyborg6971]

Please explain how it's miles ahead in gameplay to killzone. I would like to hear it.

[taylork37]

Ive played both, and no game as failed to woo me as much as KZ2, relative to how much I was looking forward to it. The second is gears 2. To be honest KZ2 is really just Gears with better graphics. I cant get over the "clunkiness" of the two games. It doesn't just make me like them less, it makes me not play them at all even though after I paid $60 for each.

So, in my opinion KZ2 doesn't even come close to ODST. I would rather take the same graphics (still really good) from 2007 and improve on the campaign rather than take newer better graphics, and offer the same sad story line and horrible controls. The only cool thing was the sniper rifle using the six axis to adjust aim.

Plus the KZ2 is not significantly longer than ODST. And with the addition of firefight, you can compare that to the crappy multiplayer of KZ2.

I wouldn't give KZ2 anything less than an 8 for the graphics, but I wanted

[dorron]

Everybody knew it would outsell KZ2. But is it a better game? Not in my eyes...

[CAPT IRISH]

i personally like odst more than killzone 2

[MetalProxy]

One of biggest problems with ODST right now is YOU CANT EVEN RUN. And only a hand full of the guns zoom in. Those two things should kill FPS games but no it gets ignored. The story is absolutely worthless and will easliy be forgotten. Dont even get me started with the blurry graphics. But the game is fun and thats it.

[2cents]

And who appointed you as judge dredd?

Who gives a damn what u think? hmm... not me
If he LIKES ODST more than Killzone 2 then thats his choice.
He did'nt say it's better, take your sony blinkers off for a sec and think about what ur sayin.

[DirtyLary]

What do you expect. What else do they have to play on that 360. Just the same ole stuff.
Just rename it to "HALO 360 console".

[2cents]

Ur a fanboy not a gamer

nuff said

[rowdy 1]

ODST sucks, I think it's better than halo 3 but thats not saying much.
But its geared toward the younger gamer imo. It was a boring game.

[ForROME]

I give props when I think they are due, this game was marketed well and is doing well, good for MS and Xbox game console owners, as to if its better history tells that not sales.

[shad0w70]

I prefer KZ2.

[Darkfiber]

Damn, Killzone got Killzowned.

[Midgard228]

exclusive wise 360 only owners were starving for an exclusive, not only that, starving for more halo so ofcourse they had to buy it even if over priced. they needed something to hold them till a real exclusive came out, wat was last good exclusive that everyone enjoyed? gears? L4D? both 08 games soooo yeaaaah. us multiplat owners had plenty to play. hey it happened to sony only owners in 07 so dont be mad

and do not say odst isnt over priced, to the halo fan like me who bought all the maps already yes its over priced i think they shuda released an edition without maps for 40 and one with maps for 60, easy fix.

[ZBlacktt]

PS3 Slim Sold 1 Million Units in First 3 Weeks. Hows the Xbox doing lately?

[Midgard228]

u know considering that halo 3 was supposed to be the last one the fact that they did halo wars, odst and soon reach means they dont have the ability to make anything else lol, sorta sux i wish i cud see more variety on my 360 :( well magna carta comes out next month :)

[CurlUpAndDie]

impressive. Don't try to justify it ladies and don't let the door hit your poop deck on the way out. Go Microsoft!!!!!!!!!

[NMC2007]

Holy F this has a lot of comments! lol

[Killman]

Okay, I need to say something.....I own a PS3. I also own Killzone 2. Is it the "Greatest game ever!!"? No. I personally got bored with it in about a week or 2. I actually think Halo is better. I no longer own a 360 though. My point is, why are all of you people going "Ah! Killzone sucks! HAHAHA!! It was outsold!!! By a 360 game!!"? Like I said, I was not really impressed with Killzone 2 but it IS a good FPS. There is no denying that, but so is Halo. I have seen on other stories people say that they hate fanboys, there are plenty in this subject as far as I can tell. They are both good games, live with it.

[Arcturus]

i look at it just like how i look at music. mainstream music is popular, the artists sell lots of records etc. while you have metal (which is far more complex music) that sells not as much. The sales only really represent that halo is in the mainstream (what game gets news coverage for it's release?), but that doesn't necessarily make it better, just more accessible.

[Excalibur]

Because of the silly "I love my console better" debate is this.

If you love your console so much, support it.

Bottom line if Sony fans say they have the greatest game in the world they should support it and stop watching movies ;)

Once again Xbox fans have stepped up to the plate and supported their console.

Believe me kids, the Devs notice this stuff.

[2cents]

Kerrching!!!

money in the bank

[monsterduc1000]

...for 360 owners to look forward to exclusive wise this year. I own a 360 as well as a PS3 and ODST is a pass. Uncharted 2 is coming in a few weeks, and the demo alone is AMAZING!!! GOTY!!!

[Excalibur]

is an exclusive.

[Belasco]

I could make the internet shut up.

[2cents]

lol

[Xander756]

While I absolutely hate the Halo series the answer to this articles question is yes. It does mean it is better than KZ2.

[HugeImpact]

kz 2 owns halo sucks