Carmack confident RAGE will be 60fps on all platforms

John Carmack of iD Software reveals that RAGE's framerate suffers considerably on the PlayStation 3.

In the latest Edge magazine, programming wizard John Carmack states that the Xbox 360 version of RAGE just about matches the 60fps framerate of the PC version, while the PS3 only runs the game at around 20-30fps at this stage in development.

Previously Carmack has stated that the PS3 is a little bit slower at running RAGE, but this is the first time we've been told by just how much. However, iD Software still intends to release all three versions at 60fps and they're confident they can achieve this.

[yoghurt]

Did anybody really think that at this stage of dev, that that is it? they would just leave it now?

It's funny how fanboys cling onto a small piece of negative news, even if its not a finished game

Devs always try and release multi-plat games as equal as possible

[lociefer]

is this guy stupid ?

why would he even say that the ps3 is weaker while he said it was the most powerful, and why would he say it runs at 20-30 fps while theyr still not halfway through the game development

[pandabear]

Yeah I'll be picking up the Ps3 version running at 60fps AND on 1 disc.

[techie]

Didn't see this quote in the CVG article:

""The 360 version matches the PC's 60 fps," Carmack told Edge. "But the textures on many surfaces currently flick visibly between resolutions as you move toward and away from them, while the PS3's framrate runs at just 20-30fps."

The 360 one has flickery textures? Or did I read that wrong? Is that for all of them...or is this the advantage of Blu-ray?

[RememberThe357]

I believe he's talking about the current version's not what the finished products will be like. But yeah, that's what he's saying.

[techie]

Thanks :) Why didn't CVG include the whole quote.

They didn't read very far. They obv didn't have the mag in front of them and just quoted from a forum.

[Montrealien]

Deep, I highly doupt that rendering issues are storage related.

As long as the game is functional and playable on both consoles that is all that should matter. Then again, this is N4G, where semantics rule right?

[Tony P]

@lociefer:

20-30 FPS is not a bash, it is a progress report. Did you expect him to lie just to make you feel better?

The guy is just giving legitimate facts about the development cycle. He doesn't have to take your ego into account.

[Syronicus]

But he can be a complete douche bag at times. He should just do the world a favor and STFU. He reminds me of that scientist in the movie Independence Day. That guy that claimed they didn't get out much, you know, the one with a serious social handicap.

[Montrealien]

Syronicus, who do you think is the problem? Carmack? Or the tabloid esk gaming media outlets that create the headlines out of simple interviews to feed these stupid arguments?

Its not like Carmack got on a box and shouted PS3 SUCKS! Graahawaahahaha?!!!!!

[socomnick]

LOl not sure why everyone is panicking the game is not set to release until this year, by then im sure the ps3 version will atleast be able to run at a steady smooth 30fps. Plenty of time to get the games in tip top shape.

[UnSelf]

im super glad i didnt comment on yesterdays article

cuz i KNEW this was goin to happen

You'll have to have the foresight of a bat to not know

@Socomnick: lol, u kill me....ur damage control alarm is BLARING, dont wry dont wry, we wont pull up ur comments from yesterday.....well at least I wont.....heheheh

[techie]

Tony - the whole reason for their issues with DVD is because they can't store their massive textures on as easily.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Carmack said a while back that the PS3 version had higher res textures because the 360 version needed to be compressed to fit on two DVD's. Now the 360 version is going to be on 4 DVD's. I am guessing that Microsoft waived the multi-disc fee in order to avoid having the "inferior" version (especially since 360 is generally regarded as being better with textures than PS3, so that would be an embarrassment). If the issue you mentioned is related, then yes, it seems to have been at least related to the storage medium, but is likely fixed.

Edit @ below: "it's hard to believe you are just now figuring out that pled to Microsoft about disc problem has been solved." Huh? If that says what i think it says, here's my answer. I was just trying to answer the person's question. No need to attack me.

[coolirisGB]

The PS3 version's not going to be on par with the other versions if the developers are having these problems like this. In the end the developers will go for the best product they can make to compete and they will continue to make the game better leaving PS3 behind. Kind of like Ghoustbusters.

Qui-Gon Jim

Do you know what you're talking about? JC speculated about how the games would be different if they were not allowed to use enough discs, it's hard to believe you are just now figuring out that pled to Microsoft about disc problem has been solved.

Lets not forget he said they're trying to get a less capable console(for this multi threaded PC type game as John C said)to perform on par with the other platforms. People in here are acting like he said they have solved the problems and the inferior PS3 version is matched up for sure or will be for sure. lol

[ape007]

then there's no doubt,im gonna buy it on ps3 cause it's on 1 disk

[na2ru1]

To get 60 FPS, there has to be a massive trade off on the visual part for todays console's power. You know, DMC4 and COD like. Lower res textures and SUB-HD, and perhaps smaller scale levels. Am I right in suggesting that?

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I just reread both of our comments and wanted to clarify something. The PS3 version having higher res textures was an "at that point" type of thing, i'm sure they will both be equal at launch. I didn't mean to imply that the PS3 version is better, and i apologize that i may have come across that way.

Bringing up Ghostbusters to prove your point, though? How about Prototype? PS3 version of Prototype had one or two extra graphical effects that the 360 version didn't have. Namely the PS3 version had "shadow mapping" for all debris on the ground.
http://n4g.com/News-346513....

Multi-plats are starting to be virtually the same, with some being slightly better on one or the other console.

[Gamertags]

Remember the GhostBusters game?

"Oh the PS3 is more powerful allowing for more of this and better of that" and guess what, that developer was completely full of crap.

The PS3 version of that game looks terrible when compared to the 360 version.

Rage will look good on both systems but honestly, we already know which system is getting the better version. The 360.

This is due to the more gaming friendly hardware and a system that is easier to develop for. When you throw in the fact that the 360 is just as powerful as the PS3 and in some cases, even more so, there is no wonder why all 3rd party games looks better on the 360.

On a different note, It is interesting to see how N4G is changing. From what once used to be purely Playstation fanboys who would bash anything good about MS and hail anything from Sony, the times are changing. Now we see that more and more gamers are putting aside their egos, growing up and accepting these systems for the strengths that they have.

People are beginning to understand that the 360 is just as powerful as the PS3 and if you want the best version of a game, you get it on the 360. The journalistic community has known this since the PS3 came out but just now are PS3 owners beginning to admit it.

It is awesome to see that fanboyism is dying (slowly but it is happening).

[coolirisGB]

Not true about RAGE Textures *to be* *may* *might* *if not* is not factual in this case. What you said is a lie and what J.C. said was speculation and theory based on his knowledge and profession. Hypothetical

Disc fee concerns and "speculation" http://www.qj.net/Carmack-R... http://exophase.com/xbox360...

RAGE 360 on 3 discs
http://www.thatvideogameblo...

Why call me out about mentioning GhostBuster and turn around and post Prototype, don't make post the vs list.

[Gamertags]

You are wrong about Prototype. You make it sound like the PS3 had the better version when most of the reviews stated that the 360 version had the edge. Not only in framerate but overall better visuals.

We are all kind of confused by what your point was.

Developers will use different methods to try to mimic the graphic abilities of the 360 and that was the case with Prototype.

[coolirisGB]

Report this Duplicate story (with it's selective editing)

[Bleem360]

Guys, don't get your knickers in a twist here but the article header is in fact wrong.

the article actually says..

"Everything is designed as a 60 hertz game. We expect this to be 60 hertz on every supported platform," Carmack added

60hz is *NOT* the same as 60fps

Whoever decided to submit this article was wrong in their translation.

[castags]

You talk about how people on N4G have grown up and being less fan-boyish, you apparently have not. "People are beginning to understand that the 360 is just as powerful as the PS3 and if you want the best version of a game, you get it on the 360." Dude...STFU

[techie]

Rage will be on two dvd's. Not four, not three.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

coolirisGB: Boy, you sure called me out. 3 discs instead of 4. Doesn't negate what i was saying. True, i don't know if MS made concessions, i said it was a guess. Fact is the game is now on more discs and that should solve the issue that was mentioned. I was actually saying that the issue that might have made the 360 version look "worse" has probably been fixed. The reason i brought it up was as a counter-point to what you brought up. Don't mention one game that supports you, then say i should be above comparisons when i try to do the same.

Gamertags: My point was to say that multi-plats are getting to be equal after a time of 360 generally getting better versions. As far as "developers trying to mimic the capabilities of the 360," do I really have to bring up the whole "where are the 360 games that match up to PS3 exclusives" thing? If anything, it's a matter of developers trying to force the PS3 to run like a PC rather than PS3 not being as good as the 360.

Bleem: How is 60 Hz NOT the same as 60 fps? Hertz is the accepted term. Like i said in another post, should i doubt that "The Dark Knight" on blu-ray is running at 24 fps because my TV tells me "24 Hz" instead?

Edit @ below: But when Carmack says the GAME will be running at 60Hz, we can take that to mean the game will run at 60Hz. The definition of Hertz is "per second" and it is used in many other contexts besides a displays refresh rate. To say that "Hz is not the same as fps" is a little ridiculous, imo. You appear to be searching for anything that supports your view, rather than being willing to adjust your view to the facts.

[Bleem360]

@Qui-Gon Jim

Hertz are not the same as FPS - Hertz is a way of describing the refresh rate of a Progressive Scan display, not how many FPS can be displayed on it.

Example : PC monitors and TFT's frequently run at rates higher than 60Hz, new displays even go up to 120Hz - this does NOT mean content is displayed at that framerate. You can have a 60htz monitor and still have games running on it at 30fps.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

POG..er, i mean, cooliris is in damage control !

Edit: LMAO!

Hold up.Who was it you called me the other day? Mooey & lyod something?
Now piratethom and greywulf? LOL! I only need one account to say what i want.Unlike a certain someone else who agrees with himself disagrees with anyone who makes him look foolish..

By the way,What am i defending? Where's my comment on here about it? The only thing i'm doing is laughing at your insecurity.

You truly are delusional.

Edit 2: 3 disagrees in 2 minutes? I must of hurt your feelings :)

[ShabzS]

knew it... i called this bs the moment i heard it ... no way they're gonna let it stay that way and say hey ... 60 fps for you guys ... and erm 20 fps for you guys .... coz you guys just suck... enjoy

now if you guys can just take back all the carmack sleeps with gabe jokes ... we're all good then

[coolirisGB]

How so PirateThom, I mean ThatCanadianguy420 or is it Greywulf? You PS3 fans are the ones defending a console in a article about how it's not performing on the same level and has an inferior build of the game. Some guy called *cahill* started PM-ing me two days ago saying the same things after I made comments acting hostile in a very personal way just like you. Stalking style

EDIT
2 minutes? looks like 17 minutes to me lol. How in the hell did my comment with the links get disagrees? did I offend you?

You truly are delusional.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Actually, you're the one that's in an article about how both versions will run at the same framerate, claiming that one version is inferior. Even claiming that "Hertz isn't the same as fps."

Edit @ below: I really don't see how you can take that from this article. I'm out of bubbles now, though, so you have a good day and i will leave it to others to refute your claims.

[coolirisGB]

I'm in a article about the PS3 version lagging behind and how the devs hope to match the PS3 version with the others.

[SevWolf]

@ coolirisGB: I'm just wondering what GB stands for..lol, you can talk out of your ass all you want, but don't talk about Piratethom, he's one of the coolest guys on this site, and NO he doesn't have multiple accounts not everybody is like you fanboys who have multiple accounts thinking you have multiple "friends"

[coolirisGB]

The classic PS3 fanboy reaction. Are you guys all kids? your anti social hostile attitudes amuse me. Don't like what some one says Personally attack them lol. I have no idea what you are talking about.

EDIT

Just stop kid for all I know you're the same person too. You joined the attack. Get Real. I think that was a little more than defending your friend. Let me guess your little show will feature only xbox fans? lol.

[SevWolf]

lol, thanks for giving me a good laugh, you are joining omega on my gametrailers sig, so I'm a "PS3 Fanboy" and an "antisocial hostile" for defending one of my good friends on this site? Have you ever played on line with any of the users you claim to have multiple accounts, YOU act EXACTLY like the multiple accounts people say you have, Piratethom acts nothing like greywulf or the others, man.....anyway look for your quote on one of the sigs

[peacock1]

"You PS3 fans are the ones defending a console in a article about how it's not performing on the same level and has an inferior build of the game."

If its an inferior build shouldnt it run worse? If the code hasnt been fully debugged and optimised it wont run well, and wont give optimum performance. (hence lower frame rates)

This stage of development does not represent what the end product will be like. For all we know the 360 version may have 60 fps but with no lighting or physics ect, while the ps3 might have 20fp with all of them running.

Anyways - Sub 30FPS is a big no no, but anything over that its hard to tell the difference between.

[Aquanox]

We've already danced this piece.

* Developer states differences between platform, favoring one over the other.
* Publisher and/or fans put preassure on dev.
* Dev states that both games will end up being the same.
* Game gets Released.
* Original developer's concerns are shown in the final games while by a slightly smaller scale.

The Game will run better on PC and Xbox 360... get over it already.

[Gamertags]

Say that I am a fanboy for stating the truth and then tell me to STFU? Now who is the fanboy here?

Like I said, it will take time but fanboyism is dying.

[phosphor112]

"Oh, I don't mind swapping discs as long as we have better frame rate."
Grasping at straws much?

Of course they'd get the game up to 60 fps! This is iD we are talking about. They are PC developers, not PS3 devs, so they are getting used to the architecture. Their powerful history shows they tend to make sure games run perfectly, so it will hit 60 fps in the end. Not to mention they aren't compressing the game on the PS3 like the 360, so it WILL LOOK better too.

[mastiffchild]

I would hope that iD can manage to get the game pretty similar on each platform-Carmack hasn't half tied himself in a great big knot with all his interviews this year though-IDK why he keeps doing it,maybe he thinks he has to appease people gaming on each platform and keeps regretting the laast outburst. Whatever, it's a bit odd, imo.

I don't see the issue with multiple discs mind(well not as they already said the game's been reduced from threee to two areas anyway-and I can only see the royalties as a reason)unless you yave destructive kids like mine or a 360, again like mine, that has scratched the odd disc in the past though.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I guess at this point he doesn't want to stop development on the PS3 version now and cut his losses even though the game all along has been developed on PC then 360 so there really isn't a way it can be better on the 3rd option (PS3).

It will be interesting to see the Wolfenstein performance on PS3 since it's due out soon. I expect to see a ton of articles showing how all the other versions of that one run better too.

[techie]

Bleem360 lol. Did you ever stop to think that they are talking about a GAME ENGINE and not a monitor or TV. When you say 60hrz in reference to a game engine, it means fps.

[Greywulf]

Why is it that the 360's can pretend insignificant minor differences between games is a show of technical power for the 360, yet in the face of...I dont know, all PS3 technical powered titles. The 360 can't even show up to the competition? We are talking graphical power here. Not gameplay, not anything when you're crying about FPS(when its HZ in the first place). Graphics, you know the 360 has yet to prove it can trump Ratchet & Clank Future Tools of Destruction, let alone Uncharted & Killzone2.

- You know that Devs always claim they cant blah blah blah with the PS3. Yet the games are Splitscreen close. Most 360 owners don't even have HDTV's so im willing to bet the differences would be even more subtle on a 24 inch SDTV. Even people without super Naughty Dog/Infinity Ward skill can get the ps3 closest to the 360's maximum capabilities, since Multiplatforms are evidently max performance.

- We go over this multiplatform circle all the time. The PS3 has its prime examples of titles that are always compared, but ignored for the idiocy of the multiplatform argument, but which are always more advanced and visually superior. And what happens at release? Motorstorm2 still runs circles around the title in every way imaginable. Same happened with PURE, that one game with the guiness book of world record terrain, and looked terrible. Same happens with sports games vs MLB. Same happened with Prototype and Infamous.

What is the point of deluding yourself into thinking that because ID isn't familiar with the PS3, that their product is the best example of the PS3's capabilities? When there isn't any speculation about the PS3's hardware capabilities, you can pickup the worlds most advanced console games only on the PS3. Console players pretend these small differences matter in gameplay, play any multiplatform on a PC. If a little anti-aliasing here, or a texture filter method there decides a purchase, then my friends. You would be buying NO console games. PC produces higher quality textures, resolution, HERTZ, and framerate.

At the end of the day 360's celebrating owning games that look worse than PS3 exclusives. Yay?

and as Omega once said..

"As long as it still plays good and is still fun, thats all that matters to its millions of fans." - Omega4 on graphics. \

[GUNS N SWORDS]

i thought that carmack already stated about fitting the game on two discs, that was just last year on n4g. did it change?

well anyways, going by what the title says "Carmack confident RAGE will be 60fps on all platforms" 60 fps is a dangerous achievement to achieve, at this point i'm hoping that the graphics at least beat the COD series.

"Carmack states that the Xbox 360 version of RAGE just about matches the 60fps framerate of the PC version, while the PS3 only runs the game at around 20-30fps at this stage in development."

well, because they so much want 60 fps for the game, accommodations will be made on all versions to meet that requirement. i just hope that they still utilize each console's power.

at the moment i'm looking favorably towards crisis but i'll keep this game on my hit list too,

my two cents :)

[Hudahudahuda]

I agree with greywulf. If people seriously cared that much about having a superior version of a multiplat they would have ditched both consoles and went with a PC. It's not even close between consoles and PC. Consoles can't even run Modern warfare 2 on a real HD resolution.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

to (greywulf)

360 can handle graphics, it just depends on how skilled the developer is and how they prioritizes that subject on their games.

http://i32.tinypic.com/xp9c...

[Greywulf]

In the entire history of the 360, not 1 single game has been able to compete with the PS3 when it comes to pound to pound graphics. Not Halo, not Gears of War, not Mass Effect, Not Just Cause, Not Crackdown..

But

GHOSTBUSTERS?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?? !!??!?!?!?! Is the title you want to put up against Uncharted1(and use an early build photo to cheat?)

3.5 years into the 360's lifestyle, and you think GHOSTBUSTERS looks better than Uncharted? Are you merely going based on screenshots alone? Because if GHOSTBUSTERS is the best the 360 can do.. well..

Am I really seeing this?

Not only do you try to cheat with an old build of uncharted(the hair shaders aren't even done in your images):

http://farm4.static.flickr....
http://farm4.static.flickr....
http://farm4.static.flickr....
http://farm4.static.flickr....
http://farm4.static.flickr....

But you use GHOSTBUSTERS in your defense? I would say its sad, but you clearly know you're lying and thats why you use old images of Uncharted.

[Greywulf]

The 360 is an old PC. For the sake of upgrading hardware to run games is it not? Yet it runs PDZ fine, and COD Fine. Am I right? Because the game is optimized to run on the hardware requirements. Right.

Media PC's at the time of the release of the 360, ran games in higher resolutions/technical advancements than the 360. You do not need to upgrade a PC to run a console game, that has to run on a machine with 512mb of ram. Its never going to be the case. Sure, if you have an EMACHINE from 1994, then clearly you aren't into PC gaming, and would need to update to stay current.

The 360's top games are running in DATED engines that don't come anywhere close to Crysis or Arma2 for requirements. Why on earth would you need to upgrade to run a game that's highest requirements to begin with, is a dated console? Left 4 Dead, is the old source engine. Which ran on older hardware(than the 360) when Half Life 2 was new. Same applies to the Unreal engine.

I know its a constant theme for console owners to save face and pretend that PC gaming isn't worth it because you have to spend $5000 dollars to get it to run, but you dont. Maximum settings for HL2/Wuxga Resolution could be had on a machine for $400 dollars, or LEss. That game would run in higher quality than the console counterparts, and you could easily use your 360 controller or any other controller to play from a couch. Which is what most PC gamers with HDMI/TVout/Do in the first place. PC gaming isn't restricted to a desk, are you not aware of wireless?

If you literally had a PC that could play HL2 on max, Doom3 on Max, Quake4 on Max, Farcry on Max. You're playing COD4/MassEffect/All PC versions of console games on max. There are some PC games taht actually step back and utilize recent technology like GTA4, but even then, you could play higher resolution than the consoles, without any investment.

[techie]

Why are you all so frigging stupid about this Hz thing!?

When Hz is said by itself it generally means TV frames per second.

When Hz is said in reference to a games engine itself it means the frames per second that the engine outputs. Just go and read up on it on B3D, or Gamezine's responses!

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

to (Greywulf)

ghost busters was made by sony.

alright fine then it doesn't matter to me, lets use your pics as a comparison.

hair.

http://farm4.static.flickr....

http://i30.tinypic.com/51f4...

who's version depicted real threads of hair vs clumps and spikes. (and also lack of transparencies.)

http://farm4.static.flickr....

http://i27.tinypic.com/1nxl...

[Tsar4ever01]

Remember peeps, Xbox/x360 and the up and coming NEXBOX are practically CLOSED PC units, any game developed as well as ported off the PC architect will ALWAYS have a distinct advantage on the xbox console. Ps3 wanted to go a completely new and innovative route and as of now it's costing them. Not on the 1st party exclusive mind ya'll, but on 2nd and 3rd party developments, which is some cases more important than 1st party because of one reason, MASSIVE GAME LIBRARY!! And xbox have turned alot of sony's 3rd party's exclusive into multiplats because of it's easier and more traditional dev tools. And ya'll already know which console owns the better multiplats titles.

It's too bad the finished product is gonna be what we've been seeing all through this gen of multiplat titles. Blu-ray is gonna be sony ONLY advantage on this game but grapfics and perfomance going to go to microsoft, regardless of the multiple disc. Just my view.

And your reading THIS from a SONY LOYALIST! Not a F**KING FANBOY, cuz I also own X360 and a Wii.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Well, no sh*t. The game is more than a year away. id Software is a company well known for releasing games "when they're done" and ignoring the concept of release dates.

As I said before, that last article took a tiny piece of a ten page feature and made a far bigger deal out of it apparently just for hits.

[castags]

Totally agree with you dude. How the hell do you have so many disagrees for a nonfanboy comment? Wait, i know, cause this site is full of them.

[HammockGames]

I've always loved id's games going back to the original Doom. But it's not a surprise that they're struggling a bit to get their heads around the architecture of the PS3. Seems like most programmers that are relatively new to the PS3 need a bit of a grace period to work out the kinks, but once they do the results are usually pretty slick. I'm trying to remember if this is id's first or second PS3 attempt (I think someone else handled Quake Wars, but I'm not certain).

Regardless, I'm pretty confident id will churn out a good version on each platform. And as long as it's solid on whatever system an individual owns, who cares what platform that actually is.

Bottom line: just enjoy the damn game when it comes out.

[RememberThe357]

Good to hear they're sticking to their guns. I'll probably be picking up the PS3 version so it's nice to hear that it will be running at the same level as the other versions.

"The work remaining is getting it locked so there’s never a dropped frame or a tear, but we’re confident that we’re going to get that."

Music to my ears. :)

[Gamertags]

How many developers have we heard the exact same thing from only to be let down when the games release.

You should be calling the guys that make the point concerning the 360 fanboys when they are simply stating a fact. There is a difference.

[sorceror171]

Oy. Let's quote from the article: "The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

The 360 is like the PC, using multiple identical cores. The Cell's cores aren't symmetric - the SPUs aren't quite like the main core... but there are more of 'em, and they are *very* fast. Carmack confirms that above - they can use the standard PC solution on the 360, but they need to partition the tasks differently for the PS3, structure the threads a bit differently. That's all.

Carmack has his limitations as a game designer, but as an *engine* designer and tech head he's damn near without equal. If he says they'll get 60fps on the PS3 - and he does - I think we can believe it.

[jhoang]

ok this made my day a bit better. the ps3 got so much crap from the other article.i didnt belive for a second that well get like 20 -30 fps. and we still have 1 disc but i wonder what the install will be if there is one

[aGameDeveloper]

What a lot of gamers may not realize is that when game developers force vsync in their engines to avoid screen tear (for better visual quality), it means the fps may vary between 60, 30, 20, 15, or even less fps (even multiples of the .0166 seconds between the monitor's 60 hz refresh rate).

Even though it looks better, a game that jumps randomly between these fps values doesn't feel very smooth (especially when you get into the lower ranges). This not only affects the consistency of the player controller feedback, but systems such as physics are pretty sensitive to the time-step. So, if the non-locked fps of the game varies between 55 and 65 fps, the developer may choose to hard lock the game to 30 fps by waiting for every other screen refresh every display period, rather than push the frame at every chance. This way, he can tune player control, physics, vehicle simulation, etc. for a single 30 fps/hz frame.

So, if Rage is going to be a cross-platform 60 fps/hz game, the engine needs to run internally at slightly faster than 60 hz on all platforms. If one platform is lagging behind at present, they may simply choose to demo it at 30 hz for the time being so that it looks/feels better.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it," Carmack told Edge. "The rasteriser is just a little bit slower - no two ways about that."

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

max b tone:owww thats not wavy

[xg-ei8ht]

The cpu is about the same?

WTF.

Carmack your worrying me.

Physics,ai,animations,culling , move all of that over to SPU'S.

In actual Fact, just look up Uncharted and speak to evan wells.

Sorted.

[OmarJA]

Too bad it'll be on 4 DVDs on the 360...

PS3 version for me for sure.

[coolirisGB]

You can tell the PS3 version a mess and he's making excuses a head of time for the end result. PS3's less capable hardware is not suited for high performance multi threaded PC type games.

[IcyJoker187]

damage controooooooooooool!

edit: yeah cuz you dont do the same thing! lol

anyways id rather take the word of THE DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME than your own thanks, we will see when the games come out........

[coolirisGB]

Says the one needing to hear this defending a console in a article talking about how it's not performing on the same level and has an inferior build of the game.

[Bleem360]

What is it with fanboys?

Do they just not understand that 60hz is NOT the same as 60fps?

Complete non-story.

[Kill Crow]

you're actiing like said it would run at 60fps .... but he said Hz - LMAO

he also said

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. "

HAHAHAHAHAHA ponydelaystation ....

[talltony]

I said the game comes out sometime in 2010 and their is plenty of times to fix the ps3's framerate. I got so many disagrees for saying that and now what do you have to say now? I have no doubt that they will get the ps3 version up to speed because carmack is no dummy.

Edit @ KILLCROW
He also said that the ps3 has a greater "peak performance than the 360" lol owned!

[gambare]

I think Carmack should stop smoking that stuff, nah... it was because many devs of the ps3 division received a TON of complaints from the ps3 fans and they said "that's BS, we can do it unless you are cutting fundings on uns carmy"

killcrow is what is called "delusional bot"

"1.7 - Yesterday
I said the game comes out sometime in 2010 and their is plenty of times to fix the ps3's framerate."

yes, you did, Carmack was saying bullocks

[Marcelles25]

Definition of: FRAMERATE

Frame rate is also a term used in real-time computer graphics systems. In a fashion somewhat comparable to the moving-picture definition presented above, a real-time frame is the time it takes to complete a full round of the system's processing tasks. If the frame rate of a real-time system is 60 Hertz, the system reevaluates all necessary inputs and updates the necessary outputs 60 times per second under all circumstances.

......tell me when you feel stupid but of course you're not gonna admit your wrong because you cant man up to something like that

[user3915800]

Carmack its the bomb in the industry of gaming coding and if he says that the PS3 its crap and make up excuses to save that platform, then believe that he will do its best to get that 20 FPS garbage truck running.

Whats better than a PS3 through out gaming consoles? All consoles have made greater impact than PS3 and the only console worst console then PS3 will never be achieve, because all off them were descent architecture with developers in mind and therefore the PS3 its a hazard to itself. PS3 Giving us what we have today supreme sh!t inside and out.

Japan its a great land for innovation, too bad that sony has lost its way in every aspect of technology.

[Bleem360]

" ......tell me when you feel stupid but of course you're not gonna admit your wrong because you cant man up to something like that"

Not a comment i'd expect in the so called 'open zone'

And who are you to determine my manor?

I'm totally prepared to say I'm wrong. It's only when I looked up the terms on Wikipedia I noted that. Hertz and FPS *do* seem to mean the same thing these days.

I'm a systems engineer, not a games developer. For me, Hertz is the number of times a display refreshes and it's been that way since the early 90's.

Note the use of the term 'for me' - that's the industry I work in and if I was talking about hertz during a meeting, it would be screen refresh and not FPS.

Man enough for you?

[Marcelles25]

i knew you were gonna come up with some excuse...

in this particular situation Carmack Said Hertz and he Meant FPS also, right now i dont care what it means to you because FPS can also mean Feet Per Second.

you said,"What is it with fanboys? Do they just not understand that 60hz is NOT the same as 60fps?"

Don't get me wrong they are different but the way you and Kill Crow tried to spin it to sound like he didn't mean Frames Per Second and just meant Hertz you guys Were wrong

[Man_of_the_year]

I have to agree with TallTony. At the moment, right now, 1 year before the game is released, the 360 is showing greater performance. And Carmack only said how the games are running at this time. I have to believe that Carmack, who is an established developer knows more about deveoping for the PS3 better than anyone else on this site, 360 and PS3 fanboys alike.

Lets see what happens later on down the road when Carmack gives us all a new update. If Carmack thinks that the game will run equally the same on all platforms, then i will take his words over anyone elses. Now when the games come out and Carmack couldn't get the PS3 to run at the same FPS as the 360 then let the "in your face" comments roll in as i am sure they will. Until then...360 fanboys are rubbing "speculation" in the Sony fanboys faces which really isn't all that much to be proud of.

[dragonyght]

i knew that was gonna happen he statement was the ps3 version was lagging behind forgotten the fact the engine was still in development those fanboys was at each through yesterday tho it was fun while it last

[The Meerkat]

But will this article have 7 pages of comments?

[techie]

no, about 2.

[DARK WITNESS]

it will be funny if it did....

does that mean all the xbox fanboys can take back all their comments about the ps3 not handling 60fps and ps3 fanboys will take back all their comments about the dev's being crap and fanboys ?

[FlipMode]

i like switching discs

just like other xbots

[Omega4]

I doubt that, when has a game which is a PC port ever turned out well on the PS3 (The Orange Box/Fallout).

A solid 30fps maybe but 60? Very doubtful

[Natsu X FairyTail]

was about to say that to. bubbles +

[peeps]

hmmm i fail to see why the framerate of the ps3 version bothers you. Is it that you keep needing to justify your purchase of a 360 but instead of just enjoying ur 360 need to put down the ps3 to make you feel better? fanboys are pure comedy

[techie]

I don't know but Fallout was better on the PS3 than the 360 - so whatever?

[Omega4]

@ peeps
I will tell you why the PS3s framerate bothers me, its because if they have to downgrade the 360 version to 30fps just because the PS3 cant handle PC ports I will be quite pissed.

@ deep
No just no, you can stop right there

[peeps]

why would they downgrade it though... if they've got it running at 60fps it would be stupid to downgrade to 30 just cus thats what the ps3 version runs at

[Raf1k1]

Sure devs like to make their games as equal as possible but I don't see id software ever gimping the 360s framrate. That's not the kind of dev I've ever known id to be.

[SevWolf]

@ peeps: "I will tell you why the PS3s framerate bothers me, its because if they have to downgrade the 360 version to 30fps just because the PS3 cant handle PC ports I will be quite pissed."
LOL..fail, next time you go to gametrailers..look for this quote in my sig, lmao....why do you have to be a fanboy on either side, I mean each console has it's strengths and weaknesses, even Carmack said that in THIS stage of development, PS3 has a 30FPS, and the 360 has weak textures..he also said they could fix BOTH problems with each console.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

They certainly know a lot more about game development than I do, so I, for one, will trust them on this.

[castags]

HA! Omega is mad cause he was sporting a hard-on at the fact the 360 was going to run 2x's as fast as the ps3 with the article HE posted yesterday. Now the full quote has been shown and he's limp again.

[pippoppow]

Like also how Omega glosses over the statement about flickering textures in the 360 version. I'm sure you also do not want to see the 360 "gimp" the PS3 version with low quality textures. Also the 360 fanboys also forget about how the 360 DVD limitations caused the game to be changed. As long as the game runs between 25-40 fps on average it will be fine.

[SevWolf]

@ pippoppow: THANK YOU, for being the only logical one here, and you're right about the FPS, I mean both Gears 2 and Killzone 2 ran at 30 FPS, and they were both great games, so, personally, if I could make a choice between 1 dvd, 30 FPS, better textures vs 2 dvds, 60 FPS, weak textures I would choose the first, but Im sure they're gonna fix the problems, he said it in his own words that they are still early in development and they could fix all problems

[Jaces]

"I will tell you why the PS3s framerate bothers me, its because if they have to downgrade the 360 version to 30fps just because the PS3 cant handle PC ports I will be quite pissed."

Wow guy, I can't believe you just said that. Well....wait, nevermind I can believe it.

Silly bear.

[lagoonalight]

I love the PS3 but I really wish sometime they would have went with the 8800 tho it's not that much better performance it could have helped with this kind of stuff. Oh well, tho, we all can wish. I just know we would be getting a couple more games at 1080p at least at 30fps.

Uncharted 2 has proven tho that I the whiner will be just fine. What I really need is some more 4xAA games.

[free3sixty]

go aways PStards with your SPUS.. cell is good for the farma industry.

iam sure that if the game is out the ps3 version will be at 30 FPS.. he just says that to the poor ps3boys to buy this game.

EDIT: haha the next topic where a tard mentions LIKE IN EVERY TOPIC uncharted.. iam waiting for GoW3 and KZ2 :D.. hell, you ps3f4gs will mention this games for the next 10 years do you? LOL

[Natsu X FairyTail]

lol

[UnSelf]

that was funny?

[Natsu X FairyTail]

hell yeah that was funny .

tell me this wasnt funny : "haha the next topic where a tard mentions LIKE IN EVERY TOPIC uncharted.. iam waiting for GoW3 and KZ2 :D.. hell, you ps3f4gs will mention this games for the next 10 years do you? LOL"

[UnSelf]

not sure why u reposted it as i have clearly read it thoroughly, but im sry not only is it hard to interpret as its laced with grammatical erros, i just dont see the hilarity in the deliverance of the joke. Maybe im lookin to much into it, but how can someone mention games 10 yrs from now when those games only come out a few months to a year from now? Wouldnt these "tards" start talkin about a new game by then?

[KingKionic]

hmm....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Natsu X FairyTail]

hmmmm ... counter attack

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[KingKionic]

ROFL!

Nice....

But....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Natsu X FairyTail]

ROFLMAO!

[The Wood]

+1 to u both. makes a change from all this fanboy tension

[green]

This was already highlighted in the CVG article posted yesterday

"Edge has posted further details from its article saying that Carmack is confident that the PS3 version will match that of all other supported platforms: "Everything is designed as a 60 hertz game. We expect this to be 60 hertz on every supported platform." http://computerandvideogame...

So this article is a duplicate.

[techie]

Green. CVG added that about 30 minutes ago - they're whole article is based on their original title. I think it's important that what is ACTUALLY is said is delivered properly in both content AND in the title.

[green]

Like when you made an article stating that Natal does not see black people.Riiiigghht!! http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

EDIT:Sorry buddy but your article is a duplicate because i read that quote earlier today on EdGE's website.I then checked CVG and the quote was there.An hour later, you posted this article.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

Okay, i'll give you that it may, technically, be a duplicate, but that other article had an inflammatory headline that lead people to believe something other than what this article reveals to be the truth. Do you want this article removed because it's a duplicate, or because it might give people the REAL information?

[pixelsword]

Because it had false/misleading information in regards to the games.

[The Wood]

how else would an article get 400+ comments without that there flaming headline. SOME will only complain when the headline crap on their console of choice. The fact that bits were left out of the 1st article was enough for me not to consider the more complete article as a duplicate. Hypocrisy at its finest

[TheTruth89]

Well said.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...a ChatBot after reading this!!! ;-D

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! SAY IT ISN'T SO!!! THE BELLS!!! THE BELLS!!!" ;-D

[FlipMode]

multiplats this year are better
360 is killing the ps3 in sales
and now this

[Tinted Eyes]

Commander Shepard had a freaking meltdown!

it was hilarious!

[xztence]

the article where carmack mentions its 60 fps is infested with xbots thinking their version will be better,
hahaha all their hopes are crushed, this game has alot of dev time left and it will run 60 fps on ps3 too, TOO BAD xbots
enjoy disc swapping and your inferior textures while PS3 gets the SUPERIOR version.

[Kill Crow]

What's funny is you blind droids still think he said 60 fps ....

clue - he said 60 hz !!!!

Stupid droids ...

[B00M]

Great news! Now the PS3 version will be 60FPS & be on one disc =D So glad. & now theres nothing for fanboys to argue about, but im sure theyll find something XD

[crillyconlig]

think il write an article put it on a website saying, xbox suffers from weaker textures than ps3 in rage, not quote the whole storey and make a mess with the fanboys on n4g, things are twisted too much on this webshites

[Raider69]

i think there are some misleading on he's last words...because you can have a game signal sent at 60 hertz but that dont mean that the same game is running at 60fps on screen!60 hertz is the signal your machine is sending to your HD or CRT or ... screen,but it doesn't necessary mean the game is running at a refresh rate of 60fps.

[jhoang]

yeah i picked this up as well. not sure what he meant though

[Qui-Gon Jim]

FPS and Hertz are just two different ways of saying it. When i watch a Blu-ray on my TV, the TV tells me "24 Hz" not "24 fps." Does that mean i should doubt that Warner Brothers actually filmed "The Dark Knight" at 24 frames per second? *Gasp* Maybe it's only filmed in 12 fps and they are just showing each frame twice!

You are sounding a bit conspiratorial. Like the "birthers" who refuse to believe that Obama was born in the US, even though his birth certificate HAS been released and proves he was.

[xztence]

better luck next time xbots. enjoy disc swapping and your inferior textures
btw watch our for the RROD too :)

[coolirisGB]

Because he said PS3's hardware is less capable and they're trying their best to get the PS3 version on par with the other versions? You speak like they have solved the problem or for sure can matched the inferior PS3 version.

[xztence]

they said they are confident they can achieve that. this is just a PROGRESS REPORT, ofcourse they will struggle with the ps3 at first its known its harder to develop for , they are pc devs after all.
xbots are overreacting saying they will never reach 60fps just because carmack said this.

[TheTruth89]

The 360 version matches the PC's 60 fps," Carmack told Edge. "But the textures on many surfaces currently flick visibly between resolutions as you move toward and away from them.

Ohhh 60 FPS with flickering texture. This explain the 60 FPS LOL

[coolirisGB]

"The 360 version matches the PC's 60 fps," Carmack told Edge. "But the textures on many surfaces currently flick visibly between resolutions as you move toward and away from them, while the PS3's framrate runs at just 20-30fps."

Are You sure he wasn't saying that about all plaforms? PS3 fanboys lol

[TheTruth89]

pay attention when read.

"The 360 version matches the PC's 60 fps," Carmack told Edge. "But the textures on many surfaces currently flick visibly between resolutions as you move toward and away from them- ->,<--- -->while<-- the PS3's framrate runs at just 20-30fps."

The WHILE and the COMMA divides the sentence into two. Basic WORLDWIDE grammar :(

[KingKionic]

So which one of his statements is true in this article ?

[divideby0]

as I said Carmack is an idiot for running his mouth.
He should take a look at Ted Price and aspire to be like him. Intelligent and Positive and knows how to deal with the media.
I swear Gabe, Carmack, PM and Cliffy be act and talk like they barely got out of community college and TP, acts like he has his pHD

[Rowsdower]

everyone feel better now

kiss the boo boo make it better?

[DelbertGrady]

Do as usual - Reduce the texture resolution and dumb down the AA.

[fossilfern]

Exactly what i said

http://n4g.com/NewsCom-3688...

You cant just have one platform running at 60 and the other at 30 it just wouldnt be right and im sure Johns reputation with PS3 gamers (Like myself) would go down if it was the case.

[sajj316]

just put out the game and we, the gamer, will decide. I have no doubt they will be able to push 60 fps with the game once they optimize.

[kewlkat007]

http://multiplayerblog.mtv....

Then what we got was this:
http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

Wait till the game is over. Carmack is no noob. I like the fact that somehow and someway, they are forcing MS to see what some of the challenges of the xbox 360 is. Take note, I expect much better, next time.

@sajj316 #8 - Remember that convo we had like 2 years ago on some thread, about space?

[sajj316]

that was a while ago ... when N4G was the new kid on the block. I guess you can call us vets.

ya, I think I was saying how space is going to be an issue not early into a console's lifespan sooner or later its going to be. I like that Carmack is challenging MS on this. It probably weighed into their decision of pushing DD and get Xbox games on demand. The only thing I'm waiting for is a 300 MB drive that doesn't sell for $400.00 :)

Remember .. I also said the PS3 was going to rule in 08. I was wrong :) See my user bio ... still haven't updated it.

[she00win99]

"rage will be using 1 disk on 360" - maybe in another life..

[tordavis]

Wow Gamezine took an existing HOT article, talked about it some more, pointed out something that JC said in the original interview and made a new HOT article about it. Hilarious! These guys are geniuses.

[sajj316]

Happens all the time ...

[mirroredderorrim]

What an attractive looking mutant.

[Pootangpie]

even the majority of reviewers and comparsion articles said the PS3 version was trash and had one more technical bugs then the PS3/360 version heck even most people on the IGN forum boards that aren't fanboys claim the ps3 version looks downright ugly

[Hellsvacancy]

It came out that Fallout 3 looked better on the Ps3

Cum aboard my time machine and ill take u 4 a ride in2 the past http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Read and weep fanboi

[xbox360don]

KillZONE 2

[PirateThom]

I think you'll find I pointed this out yesterday.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

So in other words the PS3 has no pop-ins and can run at a sloid 30 FPS without any hiccups but the 360 version is 'Trying' to push itself to 60fps while having pop-in problems and hiccups.

This just proves my post yesterday that when the 360 is taken to it's limits it can't handle it...

id even said themselves that they just need a bit more time with the PS3 version and it'll probably end up running at a solid 60fps and not unlike the 360 version which is currently struggling to run the game properly at a solid or half-assed 60fps.

[devilhunterx]

Carmack: (Fanboy) Rage runs faster on Xbox 360

[WeeMadBadger]

It's all publicity stunt. Carmack makes a controversial statement, either against Xbox saying that BR is better or against PS3 claiming Xbox is faster and then everyone talks about it. Flame wars RAGE over the interwebs ;-)

What next? There's PC left. Next round: PC and piracy or something in that vein...

[PS360PCROCKS]

Wait, Am I reading this correctly? Did he just say the CPU's were the same and the GPU was slower for PS3? That's a bold claim for sure.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3."

[turgore]

offcourse hes gonna say that ... he doesnt want to be eaten alive . i bet in the end the ps3 version will run at 60 fps but with frequent dips.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

which console version looks the best between the 2...

although buying it for my PS3 since the 1 disc option would be super nice!

P.S. = I don't get why so many people are arguing and bickering over RAGE though? for all we know it could be an amazing looking game (ID's engines when released are jaw dropping), but a complete lackluster expierence like DOOM 3. I feel too many people are excited for this game, based off of the hype and underdelivering of DOOM 3!

[Figboy]

all i know is how the game looks and feels when it hits retail shelves.

i also know that, unlike last generation, Carmack has had a lot of positive stuff to say about the PS3 along with the negative.

he's not a PR person, he's a developer/designer, and he knows his sh*t.

if anything, i give props to Carmack and the guys at iD for even ATTEMPTING to learn the PS3's hardware, and take the platform seriously.

when last generation iD dismissed the PS2, this generation, they've decided to take on the challenge and learn some new technology and ways to program.

in the end, iD will be just one more developer that knows the PS3.

unlike Valve. who can lick my nuts. i don't care how talented Valve is (and back in the day, they used to be THE talented PC dev; Half Life, Half Life 2, Portal. to me, they've dropped the ball since then, resting on their laurels, their name, and Steam to give them credibility, but Gabe Newell isn't doing them any favors these days).

Rage looks surprisingly badass, so i'm game.

i'll be getting in on my PS3, 1 Disc, 25-50gig Blu Ray, and i guarantee it will be equal to the 360 version (not even close to the PC version running on a high end PC, obviously). why? because, unlike Valve, iD takes pride in ALL versions of their game, they didn't farm it out to another dev house, and they are determined to make PS3 development their b*tch.

i may not agree with everything Carmack has said about game development, but at least they've shown they are willing to tackle a challenge, and with attitude, i'm pretty sure they will overcome the difficulties of PS3 development.

see, the thing about the PS3's biggest issue, development, is that those issues are overcome with time.

you can't really overcome a lack of HDD in every console, or a 7.5gig DVD limitation.

remember, RAGE was cut down not because iD wanted to cut it down, but to make it possible to have a 360 version. Carmack sugar coated it, but the truth is that PC owners, and PS3 owners are getting LESS of a game than the developer intended because of the limitations of the 360. despite that, i still expect the game to be pretty cool on all platforms.

[dktxx2]

Why would you even say its running at a lesser framerate if its not done yet. John use your f()cking head. That sh!t hurts sales bud.

[jackdoe]

Because that's where the game is currently at. However, if Carmack says he'll hit 60 fps on the PS3, then he will. Hell, according to 360 fanboys on yesterday's Rage thread, he's a development god so everything he says must be correct (when the fanboys were trying to bash the PS3).

[aGameDeveloper]

Have you ever watched any of Carmack's video interviews or QuakeCon keynotes? His is the opposite of a Mark Rein sugar-coat job. If he's showing you the current state of his game, he's usually the first one to point out its current limitations - not to mention tell you what he HONESTLY believes if you ask him about something during an interview.

If you are honestly looking for PR misdirection or hype, don't bother to read any story based on a Carmack interview. Keep in mind that, as a Games Industry technology leader, people ask HIM for interviews. He'd be perfectly happy to code interesting tech on some deserted island, if he could. The book, "Masters of DOOM", is not too far off in its portrayal of him.

[jackdoe]

This is the full quote from the Edge magazine. Unlike CVG who took a selected quote to get a rise out of fanboys, the full quote explains that they are currently at 25-30 fps on the PS3 and that once full optimization to the SPUs is complete, 60fps should be achieved. Any angry PS3 fanboy or gleeful 360 fanboy will be disappointed if they expected a half-assed PS3 sku.

[Mantiz]

we both said that he was talking about where they were @ this dev stage and that he would probably be trying to get the ps3 to 60hz before he released it the ps3 is harder to code for especially when your ingrained in traditional architecture this is not news.

[pumpkinpunker]

Wow, Carmack just needs to shut up and work on finishing the game.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

Knowing Carmack, he'll just give up half way through and release an incomplete PS3 version.

[rob6021]

Hate to say it but odds are that it's a PC engine so it will struggle on PS3, I hope they can bring it up closer to par with the 360 and PC. We'll probably see something like 640p vs 720p and Quincunx or no AA on PS3 - the usual PS3 treatment.

[jackdoe]

I doubt it. Carmack is trying to sell a multiplatform engine that can perform equally well on the PS3 and 360. To sell this engine, he needs to release a game that shows just this. When one version of the game renders at 640p while another renders at 720p, performance isn't exactly equal and the engine will not sell. This is the reason for the decrease in the amount of games using UE3. It doesn't translate well to the PS3 and as the PS3 accounts for 50% of games sales, that isn't a good engine to use.

[WengYong]

This thread just proves how retarded both Xbox and PS3 fanboys are. Go on guys, keep making yourselves look like dumb asses. Ill be gaming on both while yous will be verbally shanking each other with your keyboards.

Tards

Doom 3 sucked, and I doubt I'll be getting this game on either console. Or the PC for that matter.

[clintos59]

I just find it funny how they love to BRAG about ghostbusters or any multiplatform game that doesnt really mean squat to anyone besides them and sad thing is the BRAG like these games are "TOP OF THE LINE AAA TITLES" when in REALITY they are mostly AVERAGE at BEST.

Anyways im sur Carmack should be able to get the ps3 version running at 60fps in the end since he is one of the industries top tech devs. If he cant then guess he is ALL TALK.

[dark_101]

(((people are lazy to Change discs)))
my comment is
----- move your ******* @ss fat kid ------

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

But these fat as* people works so hard everyday. And at the end of the day, they just want to sit down and enjoy some game, without having to get up and switch disc every 5 minutes. I mean, is that so wrong?

[Zinc]

The comments on this site - in regard to the consoles - are a prime example of marketing, brand loyalty, and ego gone a muck.

It's clear to me that there are a large number of people who are either too young (and thus ignorant based on life experience) or just plain ignorant of the fact that John Carmack is more-or-less the father of modern FPS games. While there are others who have worked on them and since became well known, his work in gaming is seminal and highly influential, even today.

There are people here who are saying he is dumb... How do you reconcile that statement, with his accomplishments? The plain truth is you can't and you sound like a mewling child when you say it.

People interview game makers, because it's something they have to do, because it's expected to get as much information out to the data hungry public as possible. Nowhere is it defined that they will take what is said strictly in context of how it's said, or that the people they interview are socially or marketing savvy (or that those consuming the information know how to assimilate data in a meaningful way, for that matter). He was saying what it means up to this point in development, what he and others find to be true while developing games(a bunch of software that works together)for particular platforms. Because different platforms process and allocate data differently, based on their architectural schema.

It's not good enough for someone to say mine works better than yours.

The console 'debates' are tiring, never ending BS rides that do nothing to advance gaming or the fun that the hobby is suppose to represent.

They get you to value the name over the substance with marketing and brand loyalty, rather than focusing on the actual games that are made.

If I had a penny for every time this crap circle jerk logic was utilized, I'd be shooting half dollars out of my ass and paying my rent with them.

Nobody cares that you spent money on one system over the other and you feel attached to 'your console'. Nobody cares that you fall victim to the art and science of clever marketing tools.

The truth is, for some of you out there, if you could start a fire by rubbing 2 brain cells together, you would have to run at a deficit in order to get a spark.

Both the Xbox and the PS3 are capable machines... however, they were designed differently, and thus handle data differently.

If you think somebody waves a wand and magically delicious...es the same(or very close) results from 2+ different platforms without any kind of effort, ability, or hardship, you must be living in a place called doesn'thappenthatwayvilletown.

I remember back when I was playing SNES and Sega Genesis. I didn't care that the games for the Genesis were always some variation of brown and browner. They both had great games that kicked ass and I got to kill things with swords. The End.

[Bebedora]

If what he said would be for the public in one whole sentence there would be no problem.

But if you slice a sentence to your liking, it gets more hyperbole over it. Bo, fvking hoooo.

[Thoreau]

i am not one that believes in resting on past laurels, even though i loved quake...if anyone played doom3 they would know that the game was overated. the graphics looked great, but the game play was boring. i may sleep on Rage for the 360 and the ps3. i have to see the game being played reguardless of frame rates and such. iD has not impressed me in a very long time....

[stonecold3]

you belong in the open zone if the ps3 version suffers its because they are working on the ps3 the xbox 360 will run on 4 dvd and thanks to the dvd the ps3 has to suffer because of the dvd9 limitaion not one game on xbox 360 will never reach uncharted 2 and killzone2 graphics and media moducle have stated the xbox would not even handle little big planet metal gear solid 4 would not be done on 360 since its 4years old and dvd 9 cant even do what blu ray happy disk swapping for you xbox fans

[BSciEngTech]

Who care's guys, this game is not even done yet and is already being gimped due to the fact that it's a multi-platform game. And to the xbox fanboy who said that 60 hertz does not mean 60 frames, yes it does. frequency or frames is the number of cycles that happen in one second. The unit of frequency is hertz. 60 hertz means 60 frames per second. Which means the picture refreshes 60 times per second....you xbox fans make it seem like its never been done before...try doing 60fps at a steady 1080p output resolution, native, like GT5:P, then you can say that the xbox is just as powerful as the PS3...Or ask my boss who's a Professional Engineer and Phys. Doctorate which one is more powerful, we use them at work at a nuclear reactor I work at. We use the dual cell based blade 2 system btw and some other cell based stuff I haven't had a chance to look at yet.

[1ikedamaster]

"However, iD Software still intends to release all three versions at 60fps and they're confident they can achieve this."

Is this an actual quote or did the author state this?

On topic/
Another Ghostbusters fiasco. 360 version ftmfw!

[1ikedamaster]

To xbox 360 it goes. All multis go to the 360...period!

[Jaces]

dood, multiplats go the the PS3 too. Duuuuh.

Don't be childish, nobody likes the village idiot.

[CaptainKratos]

they better get to it and instead of doing these interviews.WORK ON IT!!!

[Many hats]

as a hacker,but i suspect he will struggle getting this type of game running @ 60fps on a 360, never mind a PS3. Or should i say,it's one thing to have a refresh of 60Hz, but it's another thing entirely to translate that into 60fps of 'game data'.While we often think of 60Hz and 60fps as being interchangable,i don't think they are,not always.Yes, 60Hz does mean 60 Frames per second which obviously, if tied to that,should yield a smoooth game,but it doesn't ultimately mean your engine is capable of udating the game data displayed at the same rate,does it? Or am i being dumb?