Bungie: ODST Won't Run At 720p

Bungie has confirmed that ODST will run at the same 1152x640 resolution as Halo 3, the game it's based on.
Speaking to 360 Gamer Magazine at a press event for the game on Monday, Bungie senior designer Lars Bakken said that while ODST does look prettier than Halo 3 did, the game engine itself has hardly changed since Halo 3.

[Blaze929]

dammit. I hate that screen crop crap that happens with Halo 3 while playing split-screen on a HDTV. Was hoping they'd fix this with ODST.

[Greywulf]

If you could get away with releasing dlc with minimal effort and get top price for it, why not? Its not like the community cares about HD to begin with. Mark Rein from epic said that what? 40% of Xbox360 owners don't even have HDTV's to begin with?

Good job on their part though, remember Bungie lied about the res last time and got busted.

HD Gaming console Right LaChance?

[DevastationEve]

Nobody lied, Wolf. A lot of people just got confused with what happens in the system versus what gets put on screen.

Besides, remember how Sony promised all games 1080p 60fps?

Anyway, I'm pretty disappointed. If Lost Planet can be 1280x720 with 4x MSAA then I don't see why Halo 3/ODST can't either. I guess it's just how Bungie has developed their engine, I did read somewhere that it has to do with their HDR lighting engine and how many actual render passes it goes through (2x 1152x640 frames).

edit @ morganfell:

Again, you go with the "visual appearance" thing. Look dude, I can "say" that a 640x480 game "visually appears" better than a 1920x1080 game...but will I make any sense in saying it??? Nope! What you're "seeing" is pixels. Hence fewer pixels mean less image quality. So your conclusion is incorrect.

[morganfell]

I agree with comments below that if this were Sony then they would be getting lambasted by quite a few publications not to mention persons I this site.

That said, resolution is not king. GTA4 on the PS3 ran at a lower resolution yet it is the better looking of the two console versions. Visual appearance > numbers.

[Once Upon a Fable]

"GTA4 on the PS3 ran at a lower resolution yet it is the better looking of the two console versions"

lol

Eurogamer Xbox 360/PS3 GTA4 comparison

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Here's even more Irony, Xbox 360 version of GTA 4 runs at 720p, PS3 version runs at 640p, as you can read in the article. Eurogamer also confirms Xbox 360 as the lead platform for GTA 4 in the comparison article.

[ape007]

"GTA4 on the PS3 ran at a lower resolution yet it is the better looking of the two console versions"

my god, I got BOTH VERSIONS,im not a fanboy to 360 or ps3,gta 4 ps3 is nearly crippled,blur,AA,framrate,fuzz iness,if u get at high speed at the brooker bridge,you may just throw up,360 version looks\plays much better,gta 4 360 is simply without a shadow of a doubt the version to get,Im not gonna even start talking about the dlc

one of the worst ports I've ever seen

[morganfell]

Here is a chance for you to save face and edit your uninformed comment. Otherwise, once I get home and off this iPhone I will have to list all of the quotes from places such as Team Xbox and IGN.

BTW, IGN > Eurogamer.

[Trollimite]

halo is the flagship title on the 360. halo made the xbox what it is today!

yakuza is a good franchise, and SF4 is a multiplat.

name one major ps3 exclusive that wasnt 720p or higher

[Once Upon a Fable]

Morganfell I've owned both versions and just proved it in a raw comparison.

PS3 version was blurrier, more jaggies and more washed out looking, less in resolution and Xbox 360 was the lead platform.

What do you mean Sam Houser saying he thought PS3 looked "softer" or whatever so the PS3 version would sell?

I have owned both, and 360 is easily the better version, I also just proved it with an in depth comparison.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[ape007]

bubbles up for saying the truth,I've been saying that for a long time,I got disagreed,one bubble brust and even some replayed and said that the ps3 version is better,I couldn't believe that

resi5 on 360 had better sharper graphics and runs much smoother,ps3 resi5 had framrate issues,some muddier textures here and there and yet some guys here says"I didn't see any drop in framrate"

really sad,fanboys couldn't accept the truth,even some 360 die hard fans say that resi5 looks better than kz2,resi5 looks amazing but kz2 is too good to be true graphically

@morganfell

"BTW, IGN > Eurogamer."

lol how fanboys kid themselves,IGN were lying about gta 4,I got the ps3 version first cause of ign,tha was one big fat lie

[Hoolock]

Halo 3:ODST has been a Bungie side project whilst they have devoted most of thier time to the production of Reach and its new engine. ODST has had a very small team of 20ish people working on it over the past year and a half. Im not overly suprised that the game isnt running in 720p as all thier tech head engine devs will be hard at work on Reach whilst ODST was produced for the fans to play whilst they wait for the new game.

[ThanatosDMC]

I agree. GTA4 on the PS3 was blurry. I also bought the PC version on Steam. It's a ton better... only thing i have is sometimes it freezes into a black screen then my PC shuts down. Probably over heats... meh. I need a new cooling system.

[The Wood]

yea AclayPS3, when did 'Sony' say that. Ive got my link but im dying to see yours

[Aclay]

I guess the thing about Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST is that they both sacrifice the HD Resolution for Gameplay. ODST could have probably been at 720p if Bungie wanted, but if so, the game might not support the same amount of multiplayer options.

Either way, I'm not really surprised by this because it's probably using the same Halo 3 engine, but at the same time considering other shooters that have came out and have set the bar visually after Halo 3, I think a lot of people were expecting ODST to at least run at 720p native and look a lot better than Halo 3 since ODST is coming out 2 years later.

[DevastationEve]

http://megagames.com/news/h...

They also promised having dual hdmi ports, lol.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2...

trolling...in an Xbox 360 article? when i have an Xbox 360? and Halo 3?

[NotSoSilentBob]

"Besides, remember how Sony promised all games 1080p 60fps? "

Sony Never said that. They said the Ps3 would SUPPORT 1080p with 60fps, I suggest you stop trolling and use facts.

[Trollimite]

bullshit... mgs4 was 1080p

[Greywulf]

I remember sony having games that run in native 1080p lines of resolution, at 60fps. While the 360's flagship titles have yet to see 1080p in any form. -- But my comment wasn't about that.

Point is that "HD-GAMING" is a joke as a concept and a buzzword. Because it doesn't matter, and its not accurate.

Sony doesn't justify microsofts mistakes and technical shortcomings, and Sony has nothing to do with this DLC being billed as a full game when the developers said otherwise. Microsoft's biggest franchise isn't HD. What does that say for "HD" consoles? That yep, it doesn't matter at all.

As Omega said, the resolution doesn't matter. I expect to see this same sentiment in all future comparison threads as well. That resolution doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with graphical power/gameplay either. Stop trying to look at others to explain your failures, and you'll solve your own problems.

Killzone2 is the most advanced gaming engine out on consoles, only runs at 720p, and even if it ran in HaloSubHD it would still look phenomenal.

Resolutions don't matter.

Its like you get an F on a test, and its supposed to make you feel better because someone else got an F? Please. Especially when someone else is home of the most advanced games known to the console world.

[Bnet343]

trollimite, MGS4 was not 1080p, it wasn't even 720p. It was upscaled. Even the guy above me agrees with me, you don't know what your talking about troll you troll.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

MGS4 is 1024x768. HD is 1280x720. Nice try kiddo, MGS4 was sub HD. Google it.

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...

4th paragraph stating MGS4 run a sub HD res.

PS3 review of MGS4 stating the sub hd res of MGS4:

http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

Full list of sub HD games and others including MGS4 stating it's has a sub HD:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

I can keep going, but I'm not. I'm outta here. The only people who care about this are fanboys.

[morganfell]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud."

Whoops.

If you noticed my first comment started off in defense of Bungie but certain pro 360 elements were determined to turn me against them. Okay, you get your way.

As has been stated, HALO is the flagship and should outshine everything else or at minimum, be on par with it.

I guess they are avoiding what they did with HALO 3. Remember?

Marcus Lehto says that is their game "That's real stuff out there"

http://www.gametrailers.com...

...but the version we got looked nothing like that. There are dev teams that can hit targets and then there are dev teams that cannot.

And for the record Kigmal, you have been deeper in this thread than anyone. So that nametag you throw at others suits you bets of all.

[CobraKai]

I actually agree with you. Granted GTA4 ended up being sub-hd on ps3 I preferred it on that system. On 360 the backgrounds had like a painted effect that was not on the PS3. TBH I didn't even know that it was sub-hd until people started making a fuss.

As for Halo, it was the same thing, I couldn't tell that it was sub-hd until someone actually took precious minutes out of his life to count the lines of resolution. With ODST I think it should still look good regardless of 640p. My main disappointment with Halo3 was that the game did not come close to matching the target render of the teaser.

The only time I can tell it is not HD is when it's 540p. Games like Ninja Gaiden 2, Haze, and Star Ocean look really low res.

[DevastationEve]

Greywulf, where did I blame this all on Sony? You just keeping trying to counter my comments and sound foolish in the end...

It also has nothing to do with Microsoft how a developer chooses to build their game or game engine.

Sales and popularity is all that matters...when KillZone2 gets to where Halo 3 is wake me up. Then you'll be able to tell me that Guerrilla's much overhyped answer to Halo 3 has gotten anywhere. Especially since PS3 gamers touted it as having devine graphics, yet even that didn't make much of an impact in the end.

Not like the pop icon and celebrity status of Master Chief.

edit @ linux guru:

You mean Sony didn't even have to promise you 1080p 60fps gaming and you STILL bought it @ $600??? Man you ps3 fanboys are even more hopeless than I thought! Hell, to get ME to spend that much you'd have to promise me at LEAST 2 HDMI ports, as well as 4D gaming!

...wait. Lol.

edit @ greywolf:

You don't get it and it's becoming really tedious now. That statement does not BLAME Sony for anything. It calls them out on what they claimed back then. It's tit for tat: you said Bungie got caught lying about Halo 3's resolution, well so has Sony with its claims to 4D gaming and whatnot. It doesn't infer any blame to anyone for anything, now do you get it?

Please tell me you get it :\

edit again:

And yes, Microsoft is heavily interested in Bungie and their success with Halo. But Halo 3 is a Bungie title, published under Microsoft Game Studios, but still it's Bungie's work. Whether or not it's collaborative, it's still Bungie's ip.

You tell me how Guerrilla got its act together for KillZone 2 WITHOUT Sony's backing...both games were HEAVILY backed by the platforms they were exclusive to.

[LinuxGuru]

1080p60fps was absolutely NEVER promised on PS3 games. It was presented as a GOAL and a future DESIRE for PS3 development.

NEVER was it a promise. I'm sick and tired of idiots pulling non-factual "stuff" out of thin air and calling it fact because a bunch of other misinformed idiots have said it too.

[Arthur_]

---but will this stop it from selling a BAZILLION copies day one? Nope.

People are still playing Halo 3 in HUGE numbers, daily.
Its not THE prettiest game, no, but I dont think people are checking out the scenery either. And if they are, they prolly arent very good at the game---too busy getting shot up. lol.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

"Trollimite

@ kingmal again
bullshit... mgs4 was 1080p "

the game runs at 1024x768 with 2xaa, (if you wip out your desktop calculator and type "1024 times 768 and push " = " it'll say "786432" that's the pixel count. ( 1280 x 720p is 921600 pixels )

few people can tell the differences cause most don't have the equipment to see or the knowledge of understanding how many jagged edges or pixels does it take to be classified 720p. (even 720p has jagged edges, so it's hard to tell what looks 720p and what doesn't)

if you have a nice tv you wont see the differences of any resolution, if your good at calibrating your tv you can make any game look astounding.

[Greywulf]

ApocalyPS3 asks:
"Greywulf, where did I blame this all on Sony? You just keeping trying to counter my comments and sound foolish in the end... "

ApocalyPS3,
"Besides, remember how Sony promised all games 1080p 60fps? " <-- This was your first comment??!?! o_O?

Remember when you brought sony up in this first comment? Its hard to tell but yeah, you wrote "remember how SONY promised all games 1080p 60fps." Thats why I said Sony has absolutely nothing to do with anything, after you brought it up. No one said blame at all.

Yes, Microsoft has something to do with Halo. They invested 30 million dollars into its advertising. Which is why I said its a technical shortcoming by Microsoft. Since its their game, for their system. They have a ton to do with Halo, which is why they threw THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS at its advertising budget.

What else do we have, oh i see we ran out of poignant arguments so now we are onto sales & popularity? Yes, you get sales for titles when you spend 30 million dollars on advertising for a single console game, with a audience that has had the console for a previous year earlier than other consoles. Master Chief is the only Icon for the 360, and it has been since the Xbox1. Because Microsoft would rather spend 30 million on advertising, dlc, "stealing" exclusives as Kotaku/Edge put it, and horse armor rather than new IP's. Sony doesn't rely on 1 gaming franchise, which is why MGS4 moved more consoles than GTA4 did, and which is why Sony has released more exclusive higher rated games than the 360 in the past 2 years. Killzone2 is a better game than halo for me, its fresh and new. Better graphics and 32 players online. As a gamer, I care about gameplay more than sales & popularity. I have more fun with modern games over Halo & its SubHD resolution. I mean give me at least 700 lines.

[JBaby343]

Sony never promised all games would run at 1080p 60fps like you say. They said it would be capable of it and it has proven through many games that it is capable.

[pixelsword]

- on the back of MGS4's box it states 720p; so unless I get some concrete evidence from Konami myself, I'll have to believe them over you and the "internet professionals".

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- Multiple reviews for GTA IV said the PS3 version looked better, so there's no reason for further talk there; but I will quote from more than one top-quality professional source:

IGN: GTA IV Looks Better on PS3 than Xbox 360
"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud. "
http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

1up.com: "the PS3 version has the slightest visual edge, plus motion-control support"
http://www.1up.com/do/revie...

Gamepro.com: "EDITORS' NOTE: The PlayStation 3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV is largely the same as its Xbox 360 cousin, but there are a few key differences. The game runs at a slightly lesser resolution, resulting in a slightly "softer" look, but the game still looks crisp and vibrant. We also noticed deeper, more robust use of color throughout the PS3 game, though these findings could likely be replicated on the Xbox 360 version by fiddling with your television's video options. The PS3 version also has noticeably less "draw in" than the Xbox 360 version, which means it's rarer to see trees or buildings pop into view on the PS3."
http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

Gamespy: "For those who have to decide between the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions, we should mention that these flaws are slightly less noticeable in the PS3 game."
http://ps3.gamespy.com/play...

These are by some of the most professional game sites out there and eurogamer, once again, is telling the opposite story; just like they did when MGS4 came out. View

[shadow2797]

@ApocalyPS3,
Doesn't Wipeout HD run at 1080p 60 fps? Yeah. Case Closed.

I'm actually surprised that this is the same engine. Obviously it was meant to be DLC, but by my eyes, ODST looks much better than Halo 3.

Resolution is probably the most over-hyped gaming statistic ever, though. As long as it's significantly above 480p, it looks good to me. Now playing Next Gen games in Standard Definition on a High Definition capable TV set absolutely sucks, in my experience. But MGS4 and GTA4 both look pretty good on my TV, so I can't really complain about sub-HD resolutions.

[The Wood]

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

http://uk.gamespot.com/news...

Big difference if you look for the truth and not run with headlines then regurgitate nonsense on top of more nonsense. I could say that MS promised RROD was something experienced by the 'vocal minority' or greenberg promised at the start of the year that the 360 has 'Many unannouced games for 09 because they like to 'underpromise and overachieve'...... and theres been jack **** but halo wars but thats not my point. My point is that we should not listen to everything one side says yet somehow ignore what the other side says. Dont be so onesided or naive. Every company makes false claims but at least quote actually quotes and speeches before you try and pass of dodgy reporting as truth.

[Bnet343]

pixelsword don't be dumb. Look at the back of Halo 3's box. It says 720p 1080p 1080i and we know it's sub HD. They aren't going to put it's sub HD on the back. Look at the back of all sub HD games, they don't have 680p, they just have 720p. MGS4 is sub HD. The proof is there. It's native res is not HD just like halo 3's and hazes and yakuza 3 and sfiv ps3 and gtaiv ps3 and tales of vesperia ps3 and ng2 360.

[LinuxGuru]

"Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 will be capable of running games at an unprecedented 120 frames per second - and suggested that future television technologies will support these refresh rates. "

The key phrase there is "WILL BE CAPABLE". He didn't promise that all games would be 120fps...he said the PS3 would support the tech down the road...that's a far cry from a promise.

Saying it's CAPABLE is not the same as saying the tech will be implemented or USED, even.

[pixelsword]

I found definite proof on MGS4 being sub-HD or not, so I'm done asking. MGS4 being sub-HD is correct, but Kigmal is just one of those people who barfs out internet facts without actually knowing where to look; which is pathetic. The reason why MGS4 can put down 720p is because it is 720p on a non-16:9 ratio; meaning it can qualify as 720p *if* the television you're using was HD *and* not 16:9: meaning if you used something like Wide XGA, it could technically qualify, which I don't fully understand why that is because even that doesn't match it's resolution.

Back to the original comment.

How is asking for proof being dumb? Halo can put that on there because it upscales, get it? Otherwise you can visually tell some of the time that Halo 3 is sub-HD, which requires no further proof. You can't tell if MGS4 is sub-HD visually, so I need proof from a credible source, not some geek with an agenda.

If Konami is using a technique like the PS3 version of GTA IV looks better than the 360 version of GTA IV, and states so, then that would be acceptable proof that it is actually sub-HD.

[topdawg122]

@ ApocalyPS3
You're fanboyism is annoying, just stop. Sales and poplularity aren't the only thing that matter for a game to be good.(LBp, Ico, Shadow of Colossus?)
"Not the pop icon and celebrity status of Master Chief"
Ha ha lol, man that was hilarious, master chief a pop icon like Michael Jackson! Oh dude thats pretty funny

[FamilyGuy]

It was supposed to be DLC so this is not surprising in the least. Built on the same engine to look like the same game, it just happened to "get big enough for a retail launch".

[BattleAxe]

Isn't 640p what HAZE runs at?

[jammy_70]

really......

[lsujester]

This thread reminds me of the directv commercial, with its million-eighty P.

"Oops, looks like someone just leveled the playing field."

[menoyou]

Pretty pathetic considering the game has poor visuals, animations, fx, etc. plus the fact that they've had the 360 for many years now. Bungie is a mediocre developer.

[ShabzS]

good god ... go play some video games people ... typing and hunting down links from google is fun but... come on ...

[Dareaver1]

I personally think Halo looks great. And at sometimes, looks incredible....

Here are some pics from the multiplayer, which we all know is usually downgraded from the campaign, and they look awesome....

In game baby, in game, and un-retouched.

[Dareaver1]

How could you hate this game....

Check this video out.... It's awesome, and it's all in the name of fun. Be forwarned, it start off slow. All the action comes in after about a minute and seven seconds.

[zag]

"GTA4 on PS3 looks blury at speed and you don't get this on 360"

Um, The blur is a speed blur it's meant to be there to show that your going really fast, you know whoosh 200mph 400kph what ever.

If the 360 doesn't have that then it doesn't have all the PS3 versions features.

[Immortal Kaim]

ODST won't run at 720p...who cares? It should still be a decent game, no matter the resolution.

[The Lazy One]

I don't know why anyone would expect them to make changes that deep in the engine for ODST. Reach is the game where I'd look for actual engine changes.

[likedamaster]

It's just the fanboys on here that make it a big deal. Halo 3 looks phenomenal, it's no slouch in the graphics department and that's with co-op no less.

[FlamingBozo]

ODST was sure at first just DLC but now the single player is actually longer than what Halo 3 was.... so really theres nothing wrong with them releasing it as retail.... Its the same thing as what happened with L4D 2, they start to work on DLC and the next thing they know is that its bigger than the original....

@Blaze

the screen crop doesnt happen because its not at 720 it happens because bungie decided that they felt the game worked better if that happened and i actuallly agree... I hated it when on a widescreen tv each player would be forced to have tunnel vision or short but to wide of view depending on where the two screens split... so what the cropped screens allow is that both player have a equal amount of screen to everybody else

[Sarcasm]

"It's just the fanboys on here that make it a big deal. Halo 3 looks phenomenal, it's no slouch in the graphics department and that's with co-op no less."

LMAO

Sorry. But Halo 3 looked like doo doo. Literally. Did you even look at the character models? They looked like doo doo textures plastered with jaggies. It has some decent HDR lighting, but that's about it.

It can be said though, graphics isn't everything. That's why millions still play Halo 3 online because of the gameplay. It's fun, that's why they could overlook the presentation's shortcomings.

But to some, presentation is key to an overall experience. Why not have excellent gameplay, as well as mind blowing graphics. That's what games like Uncharted or Killzone 2 delivers.

Or heck, it doesn't even have to have "mind blowing, shatter your world" graphics. Just as long as it's up to par with other games in the same generation. Like Battlefield BC. Sure it has some aliasing. Sure some of the animations aren't that great. But at least it has great textures, tons of destructability, and great gameplay.

So what's my point? I'm defending why Halo 3 is 640p and why most people really just don't care. But I'll stick to my guns and say it looks like crap at least in comparison to other games like Gears of War or Killzone 2.

But lastly, developers like Bungie needs to get through their skulls, that people who spend their money EXPECTS higher quality graphics and gameplay. They need to push the envelope and not accept mediocrity.

[Mu5afir]

Sony NEVER stated all games would run at 1080p and 60fps. They stated, games COULD run at 1080p and 60fps.

[whateva]

by the media and fanboys.

[MiloGarret]

Because MS and Bungie haven't taken a masive amount of crap for this matter before, and probably will again?

Right?

Read... Think... Comment...

not Comment... blank... blank...

[Perjoss]

god of war and GT5 are full sequels with a big gap since last games in the series, odst is kind of a spin off expansion. Having said that i hate the low resolution like they had in halo3, gta4 & ghostbusters on ps3, this is 2009, i have an xbox and ps2 if i want to play in low res :(

[Once Upon a Fable]

Shadow Flare take the delusional nonsense to the open zone please.

[Hoolock]

This is an expasion of a game that never ran in HD before, not to say the resolution couldnt of been increased but they are using the same engine. If Reach is announced to be running Sub HD then many people would be annoyed.

[PAPERCHASER0396]

You are correct... Whenever a Ps3 exclusive runs below 60fps or anywhere below 720p It get's crapped on with media attention.. oh and don't let it perform a smidgen less than a multi-plat and you will wish there was a pop-up blocker on this site when the articles hit..lol Some people are so biased it's not even funny one minute pixels matter the next they dont wth!

[wbouler]

Anytime its something wrong with XBOX 360 its wiped under the rug but put the same claim on PLAYSTATION 3 and its the worst thing ever to happen to the gaming industry

[Omega4]

As long as it still plays good and is still fun, thats all that matters to its millions of fans.

People only focus on graphics when they got no good gameplay

[Greywulf]

For the rest of your stay on n4g.

As well as all the other "faithful". Thanks for stating that.

[Mr_Bun]

Could you be any more hypocritical?

[Johnny Rotten]

lol, bookmarked for later hypicritical replies!

[The Wood]

*drags article to bookmarks* too easy

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I kind of agree...

Graphics is important, but more importantly is the game-play.

Is the game is a graphical marvel, but the game play is poor, would that compel you to buy it?

edit: as Omega stated below, comparison between two (or more) almost identical games is completely different, because they both are more or less the same experience. However, to most it is insignificant as nobody would probably notice the differences unless you are playing Ghostbuster!

edit2: Mr Bun, do you seriously think it is ok for Ghostbuster to have subpar release on the PS3? You should be outraged at how Terminal Reality did a disservice to all PS3 gamers. Clearly the PS3 is capable of so much more!

[Omega4]

What are you guys on about, when have i ever said graphics > gameplay

Graphic comparisons of the same game on different consoles is a completely different story

[Mr_Bun]

OMFG!....I am still floored at your first response.

You are completely oblivious to your own fanboyism... *shakes head*

Most of your comments have been deleted (I'm sure it's unrelated), but you were one of the first to jump on the "Bash Ghostbuster for being only 3/4 the resolution of the 360" wagon

[f789790]

you would think Bungie would be able to get the game to run at 720p. Plenty of other games do it fine.

[Omega4]

@ Mr Bun

Are you silly? IF and ONLY IF Halo 3:ODST was on the PS3 and the PS3 version ran at a better resolution would bad mouthing the 360 be justified, the fact the PS3 hasnt proved it can run H3:ODST better than the 360 you cant complain.

Ghostbusters was on both consoles so it should be the same but it wasnt hence the reason i can claim the PS3 is worse. Is that so hard for you to comprehend.

Edit: @ Johnny Rotten
Im not claiming the actual game is worse, im claiming a console is "worse" at handling the same game.

[Johnny Rotten]

Omega why does something need to be claimed "the worse" because of graphics when I quote:

"As long as it still plays good and is still fun, thats all that matters to its millions of fans.
People only focus on graphics when they got no good gameplay"

was Ghost Buster's not fun on the other systems? did the lower pixels make it unfun to play? maybe your reasoning behind "justifying" why something is good or not does not line up with my views I guess.

PS: I'm not trying to be rude, just curious.

[The Wood]

Johnny Rotten

fun goes out the window when something is a lower res.... didnt you know. He is being what he has always been.... a hypocrite

[Pennywise]

But it is a big deal when a multiplatform game has more cracks in the concrete on the 360 version. Thats what makes a game better... cracks in the concrete.

That is why you have been called hypocritical.

@above omega - The CONSOLE isnt worse... its the stupid developers and coders. When will you realize that. Uncharted, KZ, GT, and all the true PS3 exclusives CRUSH your favorite consoles graphics. If it wasnt for the devs to keep the playing field as equal as possible for the both versions we would be enjoying the PS3 at its most potential when it comes to multiplatform games.

Its funny how the PS3 stays right on the same line of graphics with multiplatform games when the code used to run the game on the system isnt even utilizing its hardware. How hard is it to realize this?

[Mr_Bun]

Keep on back-peddling....

You are now trying to say that pixels only count when they are compared between consoles?...Yeah, that makes you less of a hypocrite *rolls eyes*

....Oblivious

[Omega4]

*sigh* whatever makes you guys feel better

If you guys think comparing a console's ability to produce the same graphics in the same game is the same as saying a game is more/less fun because of its graphics you guys are so far gone you're not worth replying to.

[Mr_Bun]

"you guys are so far gone you're not worth replying to"....

says the guy who replies to us.

[Pennywise]

Never seen the 3rd comment get so much attention. You really know how to get people worked up.

You dont get it that the PS3 isnt worse because a multiplat looks better on the 360. The developers made a choice to keep it even, so the PS3 loses because of the 360. Of course the game will look worse, the code used in the game does not compliment the cell chip. Quit being so blind.

[xTruthx]

It should have been clear a long time ago that Omega is a 360 fb, my question is, y are u guys wasting time on him ?

[blackpanther25]

its funny how this guy finds a way to contradict himself. lmao its like arguing with my 17 year old brother.

On topic: who care i mean halo 3 plays really well(mind you its not my favorite of the halo series) and it wasn't really HD. I like how halo:odst is looking it reminds me of halo 1 and beside Nathan fillion is in it.

EDIT: oh and it comes with all the map packs for the halo 3 multiplayer. Anybody who is just buying a 360 must this over halo 3

[ukilnme]

@ xTruthx

That's easy. Some Sony Fanboys don't have anything better to do than argue in a 360 thread.

@ Greywulf

LOL. Too funny.

[Greywulf]

You cant get out of it. If Graphics don't matter then it doesn't make a PS3 version of a game any less/more enjoyable. it is in fact a non issue, which everyone here knows. Except well, you. Which is what your entire deleted post history says in every SINGLE comparison thread.

Even though its beyond stupid to compare the power of a console with a Multiplatform game by people who aren't familiar with a ps3, while the PS3 runs the most technically advanced engines ever made on consoles, lets ignore that for a second. lol.. PS3 runs KZ2, the 360 can barely run Mass Effect without an install to run smoothly. Why don't 360 owners use the best examples of software for the hardware to compare? Killzone2 vs ____whatever unreal engine game you want to put here___. Pretending that people who aren't experts with the PS3 that had undesirable results is the rule is purely fanboy.

Thats why this is so amazingly sweet. Its why everyone will bookmark this for you and all your friends when you post in another Eurogramer "comparison" video with a washed out 3 pixel ps3 version. I can't wait.

I'm going to add this to my signature whenever I respond from now on :)

"As long as it still plays good and is still fun, thats all that matters to its millions of fans." - Omega4 on graphics.

[likedamaster]

Why do you always bite the bait? PS3 fanboys are like Lions looking for who to devour on a 360 thread. Don't let 'em. They're never gonna play this game, they don't really care.

on topic/
It makes no difference, Halo 3 was a great game and Halo 3:ODST will be also.

[ultimolu]

Funny that you should say that Omega because 360 fanboys were sure starting up a war over Ghostbusters, claiming they had the better version.

Now resolution doesn't matter?

Hypocrite!

[Thoreau]

so what is the big deal?

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

It doesn't matter, because this game will sell like hotcakes and probably have one of the largest online gaming community on consoles.

It would be nice to have 720p, but I had plenty of fun with Halo 3 and sub-HD resolution didn't hamper that fun one bit.

[LCF]

When it comes to just graphics it is a big deal. This is MS flagship franchise and it's sub-HD. Console exclusives are meant to push the hardware of the console. Microsoft touts HD gaming with DVD9 which is native 480i.

The trade off to the low rez should of been higher frames per second. Halo 3 and this "expansion" are not using much of the X360 resources so like I said the trade off should of been higher fps.

Halo reach (around?) is being developed by a "different studio altogether" <-- I'm wrong about this. However if they use the same engine, you know it's a cop-out and milking Halo to Hell. But I think reach will max the X360 out with a new engine. Because that is what console exclusives are suppose to do.

Halo ODST is alot like Left for dead 2 in my opinion. A glorified expansion pack.

[DevastationEve]

DVD 9 is not 480i native, you're talking about the VIDEO that gets burned to it, and only what's been standardized as SD. DVDs can also be progressive, so 480p is actually the highest that most studios will produce on DVD. But that's only because of how inefficient the mpeg2 codec is at keeping file sizes smaller. Using much better and newer codecs you could produce a 720p video that could fit on 4.5GB DVDs.

As for GAMES, the only thing that determines what resolution a game will run at is how efficient the system runs it at. Xbox 360 game developers usually go for an ideal 1280x720 with 4xMSAA, but not all of them. You're just plain wrong to assume that disc technology is a factor when it comes to the resolution game runs at.

Wipeout HD wasn't even on a disc was it, and it ran 1920x1080...

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Generally the problem is that Microsoft added an HDMI port to their console and their exclusives don't even run in HD, meaning what's the whole point of buying an HDMI cable if nothing supports it?

[Another One]

Reach is developed by Bungie. And the other guy beat me to the rest.

I don't see the big deal when the "great looking" CoD4 ran at 600p. I didn't hear anyone b1tching about that. The only reason people b1tch is because it's Halo and people enjoy bashing it.

[LCF]

you are correct about Reach being developed by Bungie. Last time I read news about reach the developer was still in the air. Case point though. Will they use the same engine?

DVD9 IS native 480i. I'm not saying the sub HD rez in Halo 3 is because of DVD9. Microsoft stated that X360 is a HD console yet they support a format that is native 480i and that their flagship franchise is sub-HD.

[Another One]

The developer was never in question. It was Bungie from the start. And no, they will not use the same engine. Bungie has stated numerous times that it is a completely new image.

[darkequitus]

as the SDF are coming in, raining fire. I will just wait to someone speculate Halo: reach will use exactly the same engine. Hopefully the spent their time working on a new one than an old one. - Not like the old one was bad to begin with anyway.

This is news, but funny how quickly approved by the man-e-faces of Nasim..

[Reno17]

Halo 3 was not 720p and still looked fine on an HD TV.

[Anon1974]

It didn't affect my enjoyment of Halo one iota. That was a fantastic game. People get too caught up with resolution, and pixel counting. Just play the game.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Exactly. This didn't come as a shocker anyway. They said the Halo engine will receive an update with Halo: Reach, next year. People make too big a deal with native resolution. With upscaling it's hard to tell the difference between native 720 and 1080. You might be able to tell a little with 640P, but the game will still look good and it will be a lot of fun, not to mention a refreshing change of pace for the franchise.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

yea but isnt this the HD gaming era, isnt that why people are buying the Xbox for and PS3, to play gamesin HD and not the Wii, thats one of the reasons i bought an HD console for

[AngryTypingGuy]

It's still in HD.

[Shepherd 214]

no, i didnt buy a 360 in order to experience HD gaming, i bought a 360 because if i didnt i wouldnt get any new games. Playing a game with a higher resolution and better textures is just a plus. As a matter of fact, my personal favorite game, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, is very outdated in graphics by today's standards. However, i still think its a better game than Mass Effect, which is a spiritual successor to Knights of the Old Republic. Mass Effect is a great game, i love it, but its awesome graphics doesnt make it better than KotOR. In fact, i would still piss my pants in excitement if they announced KotOR 3 and for some odd reason said it would use the same graphics engine as the first game. Id still be just as excited because the KotOR series is much more than graphics can EVER hope to achieve.

[Nelson M]

Haaaaaaaaaah Haaaaaaaaaaaa !!!

[rawd]

So basically it's a Wii game now

[El Botto]

Another retarded comment by an xbot! This xbot is absolutely CLUELESS.

Its only HD if it is AT LEAST 760! They call that "HDREADY". 1080P is called "FULLHD".

If its LOWER than 760, than its fking STANDARD DEFINITION.

360 is TRUE LAST GEN GAMEPLAY.

[Montrealien]

I see you are back in the open zone where you belong El botto. Time to change accounts again soon.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Ah yes, my old friend El Botto, the same tard who will occassionally PM me with such thought-provoking statements as "MS is finished". El Botto, have you gotten tired of me proving how dumb you are in our PM's yet?

Yes 640P is not quite HD. It has to be at least 1280×720 res. 768 is typically a PC monitor resolution. But, El Botto, you know full well that it's upconverted despite what the native resolution is. The upconverted resolution is HD. Sure it won't look as good as if its native res was at least 720P, but it'll look good nonetheless. The PS3 upconverts games too (not as well as the 360 I might add), it's just a fact of this generation no matter which console you own. I will agree that Halo needs updated graphics, which it will get when Reach comes out.

By the way Botto, it is possible to copy the text of a comment without copying the "PM TRACK IGNORE" underneath an avatar, you dimwitted boob.

[killcr0w]

MGS4 had the same below issue !!!

Was it a bad game all of a sudden? Where are the 4D graphics ...

[Kamikaze135]

Lol

[ukilnme]

By no means will it stop me from playing it and enjoying as long as the gameplay is great.

Edit: @ devilhunterx

My life is all about options and choices. Because I have that option, yes I choose to support Halo as long as it plays great like the others.

[The Wood]

its just sad that some media factions would definitely jump on this type of admission had it been a sony flagship title. It does kinda point to the fact that this game was probably dlc to begin with. I mean its not like there hasn't been enough time to up the anti from a technical aspect. Anyhow if it plays tight then thats the key thing as halo was NEVER about graphical prowess.

[red_ring_of_death]

AAA nextgen crap
its pathetic
whats next 15fps

[kaveti6616]

Um. just in case you're a PS3 fanboy, and I'm not saying you are, but just in case - MGS4 is also sub HD. Yeah, I know, huh? Hard to believe, huh? You just got owned, huh?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

How it that low rez

GTA IV http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

Haze http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

Ghostbusters (LOL NO HD at all) http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

Street Fighter IV http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

COD4 http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

COD3 and Tony Hawk http://www.joystiq.com/2006...

MGS4/MGO http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

Bioshock http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

The Darkness

[Sez]

MGS4 a flagship title for the ps3 isn't 720p. LMFAO

[AngryTypingGuy]

Great post Jason 360! LOL at Sony fangirls, there is your next gen system! Maybe now you see that with upconversion (which the PS3 doesn't do as well at) it's not that big of a deal.

[4pocalyps3]

this is where the people that say that "grafix are teh ownz" will now say "bu we dont caer bout grafix >_<!" buuut we will see the same people pixel counting in another article....pretty pathetic.

[OmarJA]

Anybody surprised? we're talking about a 360 game here...

Next.

[-MD-]

Haze 576p
Ghostbusters 540p
Grand Theft Auto 4 640p
Call of Duty 4 600p

All PS3. Next.

[Major_Tom]

Yeah how many Flagship franchises run sub-par HD though? This really isn't acceptable and I think you know that Murderdoll. Especially coming out of the Microsoft camp you would expect the highest selling franchises on the Xbox 360 to try and out perform every other game visually or atleast technically.

[RockmanII7]

Try to actually read his post next time, he says GTA4 and CoD4.

[ShiNe-Box-]

Definitely agree with Major_Tom. Flagship franchises should not be rendered in 640p.

[Major_Tom]

I did read, did you?

[Ven1000]

Out of all those games you listed only Haze was PS3 developed. GhostBusters might have been lead PS3 developed (even though they failed and fulfilling the graphics so that's the Dev's fault) but COD4, and GTA4 were 360 lead platforms.

I like how you casually left off PS3 games like MGS4, Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Uncharted, ect.

[commodore64]

You guys need to read Jason's post at 2.2

[Hudahudahuda]

Either 360 devs aren't good enough or the hardware isn't good enough. I'd think with such easy hardware to learn (supposedly) that games on the 360 would be amazing but so far the only good looking game iv'e seen out of the 360 is Banjo Kazooi nuts and bolts and even then I think ratchet and clank looks better.

[The Wood]

gears craps on this from a tech standpoint but then theres less going on there. People may be a little disappointed because this is still the 360's flagship title but I feel the 360 could do better. Maybe bungie are just a little lazy or have become too complacent...why force it if you know you're gunna make a trillion anyway;)

[Once Upon a Fable]

It's just the engine dude, Halo: Reach will be different. ODST uses the same engine as Halo 3.

[DevastationEve]

The hardware IS very powerful and devs ARE making good use of it. You just have to understand that not every developer works with the same intentions as another might. Each company has their own way of doing things, their own style, their own focus. It what makes every game different. If Bungie decided to go with lower resolution it's because the engine is old and they just didn't see it being important enough of an upgrade for Halo 3 ODST.

Plus they've got new stuff coming out with Halo Reach, and from there it just gets better. Even that though still won't change the fact that Halo 3 has PROVEN gameplay and rock solid online. Personally I think Halo 3 stands up pretty well even today, and ODST will too.

edit: the disagrees and naysayers should make their case. otherwise i'm still right.

[mistajeff]

Why? It's not like the 360 isn't capable of it.

[Xi]

They decided that they wanted to get fully simulated DR lighting.

So what they did, instead of doing just HDR like most games, they did both HDR and LDR lighting. To this it requires that the engine renders each scene twice under 2 lighting passes then uses a shader to detirmin the proper lighting. The daughter chip on the xenos is capable of handling 4xmsaa on a 720p image, but the reason that halo3 doesn't have any AA is again because of this process.

it's the equivelent of running the game at 1280 resolution.

[mistajeff]

Wow, definitely didn't know that, that's really interesting. So basically, they opted for really good lighting with no AA and a 640 resolution? That seems like a poor choice. I never thought the lighting was particularly good in Halo 3, maybe it is (I only played it once at a friend's), but it seems kind of pointless if they can't bring other visual aspects up to that level of polish. The things I remember noting to myself about the graphics were what I felt was a complete lack of anti-aliasing (which is apparently true) and the fact that details like grass would pop into the frame about 5 feet in front of the vehicle you were driving. It seems weird that they're focusing so much on making 1 visual aspect great but are content with disregarding other types of polish.

[cyborg6971]

Cod 4 was not 720p either so who cares pixel counting is for virgin nerds.

Why the disagree cause one of you is a pixel counting virgin?

[red_ring_of_death]

hahaha

[Anon1974]

Seriously, who on earth plays a game only to pause and take note of the resolution. How does that affect the gameplay in any way?

We've seen excellent looking games like Resident Evil 5 and Gears 2. We know the 360 is a capable machine, so those who argue that it's not can seriously shut the hell up. There's plenty of proof that the 360 can hold it's own. The fact that anyone would nitpick about lower resolution just boggles my mind. Everything on the Wii is lower resolution, it doesn't mean it doesn't have it's share of outstanding games.
Some of you need to get over yourselves. These pointless console wars prove nothing. Be a gamer, not a corporate cheerleader.

[Xi]

I'd rather have the advanced lighting system then 720p, because halo has the best lighting out of any next-gen game.

[the worst]

lol

[f789790]

Yeah, I'm going to just disagree with you on that one. You must not play many games.

[Pandamobile]

You're kidding right? I just lost a lot of respect for you, Xi...

[Xi]

Halo 3 is the only game that has fully implemented HDR and LDR lighting.

No other game has it, none, not on PC or any console.

[The BS Police]

It really doesn't take much effort to realise that fact.

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

[-chaz-]

Have to say I agree... while I generally don't like Halo's art style in general, and I think Killzone looks far better...Halo's HDR lighting engine is one of the most advanced on the market at the moment. There are times in the game that it looks like real global illumination, particularly in the outdoor sections of the game.

Now if Bungie would fire their art director they might have a challenger to Killzone.

[OpenGL]

The Xbox 360 GPU does not support alpha blending with FP16, which forced Bungie to use two render paths. One render path that was FP16 to handle their HDR effects and another render path to handle alpha blending. Bungie would have been better off using FP10 since they would have been able to maintain 720p and potentially anti-aliasing as well, and most people wouldn't know the difference. Bungie simply made a decision early on that using 64-bit HDR was more important than a higher rendering resolution.

[Pennywise]

Oh wow... As I read through the comments on this article they get funnier and funnier. We should contact comedy central for some new stand-up comedian showcases!

[darkequitus]

Including yours, kid

[Pennywise]

I am probably old enough to be your daddy, son.

[Grandreaper9999]

you might want to add an "IMO" at the end of that statement. I think that's what you meant.

[Deafman420]

Prove me wrong this gen microsoft :)

[darkequitus]

No one needs to prove you wrong, because no one cares

[tompoulo]

Well i was hoping for some improvements on the "Halo 3" engine. At least we now know for sure that they are using a new engine for "Halo Reach" since they haven't improved the existing engine at all!!! If they were using the "Halo 3" engine on "Halo Reach", then the alreally made improvements would be included in Halo ODST and since thats not the case here... the logical think to assume is that they have a new engine!!!

[Ninji]

It's an inferior game so of course it won't be 720p. The 360 is an inferior console and this just proves it. They can't even get one of their best games to run at 720p and that's just sad. I guess the 360's disk tray really is an indication of how much of a last gen console it is.

[tha_meat_beater]

after gimping so many multiplats the 360 is now gimping its own exclusives

[-MD-]

Why do our inferior xbox games sell so much better? It's a mystery!

[talltony]

xbox games sell better cause it has a bigger install base and all kids have to do is ask their mommy for is a new game cause its targeted at a younger audience than the ps3. You know like the wii caus ewe all know it has the most inferior games out.

[JeffGUNZ]

That's not true. All I do is ask your mother and she runs out and gets it for me.

Also, how is it targeting a younger audience when Gears of War, one of the best exclusives this gen. is rated M for mature? Yeah, that made sense.

[darthv72]

What's the matter? Are you suffering from "short" ps3 syndrome as in short list of games worth playing?

[ShiNe-Box-]

No doubt, Nuri. All signs are pointing to ODST being an inferior game. Bungie had almost 2 years to improve their engine, but their games still can't be rendered in 720p.

[topdawg122]

@ Murderdolls,
"Why do our inferior xbox games sell so much better? It's a mystery"

Why do inferior Wii games outsell Xbox games? Cause more casual gamers buy them and like tony said, "xbox games sell better cause it has a bigger install base and all kids have to do is ask their mommy for is a new game"

[talltony]

Did I diss the 360 in any way shape or form? Did I really or did I just reply to what murderdolls was asking?

You mean to tell me that the ps3 is targeted to the same age group as the xbox 360? really? No it is not. The fact is that more older people own a ps3 than younger people do. The fact is that alot of little kids dont know what the hell bluray even is. So yes since the PS3 is advertised as a bluray player and a games console and it costs way more than a xbox 360 or wii it just doesnt appeal to little kids or even their parents as much.

And to answer your question about Gears 2 rated "M"... Doesnt the wii have its own share of "M" rated games? And isnt the wii targeted at little kids?

[The_Beast]

LMAO!!! that cracked me up. now go watch some tv and wait for your xbox to get shipped back

[pure pwnage24]

so the only games that are worth playing are the ones that sell well? so your a conformist I'm guessing?

[tha_meat_beater]

you can barely turn the 360 on without it "ring reaper" showing up

[cyborg6971]

Ring reaper funny I like that one.

[cyborg6971]

Defending what? Like you could tell the difference between 720p and 700p @ 60fps. Nice try turd burglar.

[chasegamez]

lolololololololol
the great 360 at its best

[PotNoodle]

Well hopefully they use a new engine for Halo Reach, Halo 3 looked fine when it was released. But when i finally got around to completing it in 2008 it did look a bit outdated and i'm sure the fact it is running in 640p upscaled into 720p had a part in it.

Not surprised at this news at all.

[lloyd_wonder]

Lol. POS console can't even run it's own games in HD.

Poor M$ ho's playing sub par exclusives

[tha_meat_beater]

fvck the 360 with a big,long,hairy,veiny,sweaty,pi ss dripping,aids and ghonorrhea infected,uncircumsized,unwashe d,sticky,underware lint covered,with nats flying around it d1ck!

[ShiNe-Box-]

True, lloyd. They are playing sub par exclusives.

[MetalGearBear]

i am shocked!!!!
what happen!!!??
I bet Halo 3 Odst can run 720p on powerful PS3.
PS3 hate Halo 3 Odst.

[PotNoodle]

I bet it couldn't, why?

Because the reason it is running at 640p isn't down to the hardware, but down to the engine the game was designed around.

[keysy420]

i dont know hat that guy is talking about i have plenty to play and muchbetter and new stuff than what's on 360.

[raztad]

No justification to not be at 720p. Bungie had enough time to improve the engine and squezee just a little more of power from xbox360. Arguably PS3 is more powerful, by a good margin IMO, but x360 is capable to produce gorgeous games at 720p.

@donnie bellow

Dude, you didnt understand what I said. I never said that Halo being sub-HD is a proof PS3 is more powerful. Nope I didnt said that. Just the contrary, I dont understand why Bungie continues pulling sub-HD games out when its clear 360 is capable tu run gorgeous games at 720p.

PS3 is more powerful IMO, cause a lot of reasons, but 360 is pretty capable as well. At least it can render Halo3 visuals at 720p, I'm sure of it.

[donnie-2105]

no its not there about the same.the ps3 has had many many sub hd games even though sony were the ones who touted 1080p etc.plus the360 has the superior multi plats even when ps3 is lead dev.EVERY gen the the most POWERFUL CONSOLE is the one with the BEST versions of games that are on both.

[devilhunterx]

Can you name the games where the PS3 was the lead dev and XB2 version was the better? Thanks

[likedamaster]

Ghostbusters for one... Mirror's edge, etc.

[Jdoki]

Saves Lens of Truth a job then....

[batman2million]

Choro Trigger ran on 1080p, 60 billion FPS!
CLEARLY! That's why it's one of the best games ever!!

[Deafman420]

Maybe so, but then, on a ps3, I wouldn't be able to enjoy any halo game using a ps3 controller. The first 10 minutes my attention would be focused on trying to find a comfortable way to hold the controller without my hands feeling sore.

[JeffGUNZ]

BAM!

[hatchimatchi]

that's cause you're probably not used to the ps3 controller. I hate playing my brothers 360 cause i'm not familiar with the controller. I know the 360 controller doesn't suck but i'm just not used to playing games with it. I never have any problems with my ps3.

On a side note, the only controller that ever made my hands cramp was a dreamcast controller.

[topdawg122]

Deafman420, "Maybe so, but then, on a ps3, I wouldn't be able to enjoy any halo game using a ps3 controller. The first 10 minutes my attention would be focused on trying to find a comfortable way to hold the controller without my hands feeling sore"

Excuses, Excuses, just buy a ps3 already you know you wan't one. They make alternate ps3 controllers too loser

[chase167]

wow im shocked

[LiquifiedArt]

Graphics DO MATTER

And...

These are HIGH DEFINITION CONSOLES. 720p Should be MINIMUM!

Anyone who is ok with this, is a fanboy.

[-MD-]

I'm ok with this because I can't tell the difference between 640 vs 720p.

To this day I didn't know Call of Duty 4 was 600p until a poster above mentioned it ^ anyone making a big deal out of this needs to be shot.

[Anon1974]

Or how about the people still content with their PS2's?
A good game is a good game, it doesn't matter if it runs in flash on my browser. As much as I appreciate a nice looking game, graphics aren't the end all, be all.
I guess that makes me a fanboy. Of what, I'm not quite sure...

Edit: Dammit, now you've got me agreeing with Murderdolls. I agree. I had no idea COD4 was sub HD, and I really don't care. That game was excellent as is the Halo series. You can safely write off the opinion of anyone that claims resolution is all that matters. They aren't gamers.

[RockmanII7]

Mega Man 9

[topdawg122]

Agreed you xbots need to move on with the times cause guess what these are high def systems and they need to run in good high definition. Both ps3 and 360 need to move up, but right now i see ps3 heading towards higher resolution much faster. Graphics do matter and they will matter in the future as well
@darkride66, I enjoy a good game as much as anybody, but theres a much better experience playin K2 or Halo3 in high definition than standard definition, trust me!

[Anon1974]

I'm just saying that the difference between 640p and 720p really isn't anything to get bent out of shape over. I'd much rather play a game in 1080p on my 92" projection screen but seeing that those type of games are few and far between, if I can't I'm not going to gripe about it if the game is still worth playing.

[Thoreau]

you are reaching for what? halo 3's graphics were o.k. at best. i am not knocking you or halo3, but damn. relax....

[Xi]

and all I'm saying is I'd rather have better lighting then 80 extra pixels.

I'm not knocking you or anything, but I don't see the point of your comment.

I have problems with the engine in halo, I don't like the lack of AA, I don't like the simple geometry and i think the texture quality is poor at time.

But what halo does that other engines don't
massive maps (over 20 km)
massive amounts of enemies (up to 30 on screen at once)
great lighting.

And I'd take any one of those in a sub HD resolution then 720p, because all of those have a direct influence on the gameplay.

[donnie-2105]

although slightly disappointing at 640p upscaled it still betters a lot of multi plats on the ps3 and you have to consider the fairly quick release and the massive multiplayer/ai /amounts on screen.the recent ghostbusters on ps3 was 540p BUT i didnt notice that much difference to a 720p game tbh.anyway sure it will look great and i dont have to wait 5 years like killzone2 gt5 etc to get a half decent res

[jalen247]

And this is why Microsoft will continue to short change you. I am sad that you are willing to accept low quality. Your views and acceptance of this affects the whole xbox 360 community because Microsoft has no reason to do better.

[NotSoSilentBob]

I agree with you in that MS is shorting their fans/customers. Why is it that Sony is pushing the Boundaries in game development and MS is only excelling at sales? Mediocre is acceptable?

[Deafman420]

I was deleted by the mod. Anybody care to enlighten me as to why? Wrong zone or something? Wrong thing to say? I don't post much

[ukilnme]

Typically you have to add something relevant to the discussion. Some mods are harder than others though. I know this because I have been banned before, unjustly IMO. Not saying that you are but I suggest that you don't take N4G too seriously. Some people carry on like this is the most important stuff in the world.

[Deafman420]

Thanks for the reply, I'll keep that in mind. Thought I was posting a relevant opinion but oh well. I get what you're saying. Again, thanks

[cyborg6971]

Word murderdolls just haters. The only thing I hate are the haters.

[IQUITN4G]

Well personally i love Halo3's graphics so it's hardly a problem for me or countless others that just enjoy playing great games

Most complaining either wouldn't even know the differences anyway if directly comparing side by side or they are so graphic obsessive to the point of letting it get in the way of enjoying great game regardless - either way ODST is wasted on them

It's only ever on forums like this anyhow that you get such very stupid comments about stuff that simply isn't important - i'd get it if it ran at the 360's lowest resolution frankly

Too many spoilt brats on here moaning about pointless stuff

[ukilnme]

Agreed. I bet most of them in here complaining have never played any Halo and have probably never played a 360.

[cyborg6971]

Darkride66 makes the most down to earth comments I think I've see from both sides on this site.

[Anon1974]

Although, you're probably in a bit of a minority with that opinion. Word around these parts is I'm some kind of Sony fanboy, despite a long history of backing up both consoles. Go figure.

[RockmanII7]

I know. Honestly, I think your the only person that owns (or at least plays) both consoles on this site.

[-MD-]

I own and play both consoles. PC too.

[Tinted Eyes]

yeah but he backs up both but its apparent you have a favorite...

[cmrbe]

response and circle jerking?. Murder i expect more from you.

[MetalGearBear]

reason Murderdolls do comments, because he or she is mad, sad, crying, and b1tching. THAT LIFE!!!!!!! That okay, let it go.

Power Ranger is better than lame Halo.

[-MD-]

It boggles my mind that you even type how a deaf person speaks.

Edit: Big fan of power rangers? Yeah I was too when I was 7.

[Deafman420]

Forgive deafphat, he's huh...bad football accident, you know? Not all of us speaks that way, but again huh...bad football accident. Can't get into much details.

(hehehe)

[dustgavin]

1.1 -
It boggles my mind that you even type how a deaf person speaks.

Edit: Big fan of power rangers? Yeah I was too when I was 7.

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So, you were a big fan last year?

[xdye017]

The open zone has an IQ lower then a donkey's.

[-MD-]

Than*

[Etseix]

*slaps forehead*

[JeffGUNZ]

hahaha nice murderdolls and that's why that moron posted in here!

[dustgavin]

Halo 3 was undercooked and ODST is just more of the same. Enjoy your lackluster franchise.

[F N A Pepper]

Halo 3 looked great for Halo, so i'm not gonna complain, ODST will be great reguardless of the resolution being the same as it was on 3

[Rowsdower]

this means no one will buy it just like no one purchased Halo 3... oh yeah no one cared then and no cares now.

I love how the title says that "bungie admits", like it was weighing on there conscious. Now they have admitted it will you the gamer forgive them?

That should be the follow up article, "Gamers Forgive Bungie After They Admit to their Transgression."

wanna poop on the desk of who ever wrote this?

[Grandreaper9999]

After you, sir.

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

i'm shocked the E3 demo from IGN looked really good better than Halo 3 and what's with these retarded PS3 fanboys here dising Halo 3 ODST this is the first Halo game i'm actually exited for and i don't even own a 360 i own a PS3 . really mature guys really you ppl give PS3 owners a bad name

[Skynetone]

lets see how the bots explain this away

excuse no 1, the 360 may overheat if it gets better graphics
excuse no 2, bungie are still learning the 360, give them a chance
excuse no 3, my kids wont notice, they think its better then the wii
excuse no 4, my wife is fat and she blocks most of the tv anyway
excuse no 5, ive never experienced hd graphics before, my fragile little mind coundnt handle it

[IRetrouk]

why are you all talking about multiplats for? Halo is a flagship game so compare it to another flagship game. now dont get me wrong i have a 360 and love it but i recently i bought another ps3 and with it i got heavenly sword, drakes foutune, little big planet and gran turismo 5 p. now barring little big planet technicaly they crap all over anything on 360 and thats not me being a fanboy check my gamer card im still playing 360 anyway off topic a bit but the fact is this is a AAA game for 360 but it feels like a cheap cash in, yes it will still be fun and yes i have it preordered but im not a blinded fan. i know when im being robed of money but im gonna get it anyway as for the negative ps3 comments,grow upchildren games from 2007 still pack a punch its a good console same as 360 just a bit dearer. i love my red xbox and my black ps3.

[Halo_Reach]

Haze 576p
Ghostbusters 540p
Grand Theft Auto 4 640p
Call of Duty 4 600p

«ahah Ps3 whats a load of crap that console is!

[silverchode]

did you just copy and paste xD

[RockmanII7]

Reach, do what did I tell you about making us look bad *pulls out whip*

[jalen247]

What resolution do you think Call of Duty runs on the Xbox 360?Simpleton!

[Pandamobile]

COD4 runs at the same resolution on the 360 as PS3.

To be honest though, COD4 isn't that great a looking game, even at 1600p on my 26" monitor. It's easy to run but I guess that was the intention.

[STICKzophrenic]

I just pre-ordered Halo 3 ODST yesterday and I can't wait to play it.

Halo 3 was my first Halo game, and since I've enjoyed it so much, I bought Halo: Combat Evolved on the Marketplace when it was a Deal of the Week, and I'm working my way through Halo 2 now.

It's all personal preferences, but I think Halo 3 is a great looking game. It's different than the battle torn environments of Gears of War and Killzone 2, and the realistic settings of Call of Duty, Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six, but it looks great. I really love how colorful the environments are, and yes, the lighting in the game is fantastic.

[Pennywise]

How much less could you care? You do understand when you say you could care less, it is actually saying that you do in fact care and there is less caring that could come in the near future. It makes your whole comment kinda funny.

[STICKzophrenic]

@above.

Noted and fixed. I couldn't care less. Thanks.

[Pennywise]

Sorry, I try not to be the grammar police on the internet, but that always cracks me up!

But in response to your comment, Halo is the only game I really would get a 360 for because of the strong online community.... but I think I have had enough of console shooters for a long time. Enjoy your game when it comes out.

[ukilnme]

@ Pennywise

LOL. I got a good chuckle out of that.

[IQUITN4G]

Certainly the most deciding factor for me when choosing a console will always be if i can play Halo on it.I just don't get the same fun experience of a Halo from other fps(perfectly good though they can be) and it's fairly vital as far as i'm concerned

[Pennywise]

I thought the whole point of this generation was HIGH DEF graphics?

What does this say about a console when its flagship title is not even HD?

Next question would be - is it the console or the devs? They had plenty of time to improve the resolution of this engine....

Dont get mad... just sayin'

[Blu Ray3]

excuse me

this site is entertaining today

[cmrbe]

It's like GT5 at sub HD res.

[PirateThom]

Exactly, this is supposed to be the big Microsoft franchise. The system seller. And it's not even a hardware issue, there's plenty of more detailed games on 360, that have more going on and that just look better and run in 720p native. Same with CoD, really, but I'll let that pass due to being multiplatform and not really being optimised for any console.

Both Gears of War and Gears of War 2 are native 720p and they're both way past Halo 3 in the graphics department.

[cmrbe]

I guess it's time for gameplay over graphics and it's just an expansion right bots?. Yeah and when it's time to talk about full exclusive Odst is one of them LOL. You bots flip flop too many times is hard to keep track.

[RockmanII7]

Also talking about flip-floping, does the PS3 cost more or does the 360 cost more?

[ShiNe-Box-]

Oh, bots do love their little flip flopping. This almost makes me wonder why HDMI was added since ODST can't even be rendered in 720p.

[IQUITN4G]

The Halo3 engine doesn't feel like it's in a low resolution when i view it on my plasma(standard crt resolution output for example doesn't feel HD because it obviously isn't)and that's all i care about.It's technically not 720 but so what if it looks perfectly fine.

It definitely runs high enough for it to convey scale like you can only really when in these resolutions

Apart from a tiny few, nobody cares

Bungie's 2nd 360 engine should carry more clout but even if it was unable to, providing i'm still playing great games, i don't much care

Some people only see numbers and i think it's at that time they need to think of getting into a new hobby

[Karum]

Not surprising since this was meant to be DLC for Halo 3 originally, or am I wrong in thinking that?

I'd expect Halo: Reach to be running on a better engine at higher res with better graphics though.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Well Bungie, kindly I think your engine SUCKS! Hopefully Halo Reach uses a true next gen engine. If it doesn't I won't buy it, I'll be annoyed by laziness.

[Roper316]

who really cares? If you have fun playing that is all matters, right? We game for fun, enjoyment and to escape real life for a little while. I personally won't be getting it because Halo is a stale played out franchise like COD to me, But to those looking forward to it this should not make them have any less fun.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

;-D

GOD 'KillZone 2' looks BEAUTIFUL!!! ;-P

[JeffGUNZ]

and plays mediocre. Enjoy your grenade spamming, that's sure a lot of fun.

[fuckoffodion]

says the troll who never played. Go play your super high-jumping space raiders. Moron.

[topdawg122]

@ jeffgunz,
grenade spamming? Have you even played Killzone 2?

[fuckoffodion]

he hasn't.

[dustgavin]

Halo 3 and Killzone 2 are easy to compare.

Killzone 2- runs at an actual HD resolution with loads of eye melting effects.

Halo 3- could probably run on the wii.

[Giriath]

I think it's very professional of Bungie to come out and say this instead of claiming it to be 720p. But then again, 99% of their fanbase won't notice, so there's really no need to be hush hush about it.

[HappyTrigger]

ODST can't run at 720P??? Come on my Sony friends..... ATTACK!!!! RAWR, RAWR, RAWR!!!!!!!

[QuantumWake]

I never noticed Halo 3 ran at Sub-HD until I started reading about it. Either way, ODST is still going to rock!

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Very lame and this is the biggest title on Xbox!

Not that it might not still be a great game but I just love Bungie/MS aiming for the ankles instead of the stars when it comes to their biggest milker.

This just screams of minimal effort, maximum profit.

I'm sure it will still sell well though but I'll pass and not just because of the embarrassing resolution.

[jalen247]

You speak the truth Crab. I like your honesty.

[Grandreaper9999]

It should look better than anything else out there if that's the case. It's pretty low. We've seen hires graphics on xbox for a while now, so handling a res of 1152x640 should give them a lot of leg room.

[manwich25]

This has become very ugly, very fast

[dktxx2]

When fanboys see something they don't like they swarm.

[dktxx2]

Seeing as no one noticed that halo 3 ran sub720p until people mentioned it, isn't it safe to say that it really doesn't matter? Plenty of great looking game this gen have been sub720p, and no one notices until the guys at neoforum or whatever makes a thread about it.

[QuantumWake]

I guess its that false advertising you see at the back of the Halo 3 Box... "Oh look, Halo 3 runs on 720p/1080i/1080p"!

[pshizle]

on the back of the cover of Halo or an other game for the xbox360

games can be Upconverted! but its not the true resolution.

[Grandreaper9999]

the resolution of a game won't determine how fun it is though...

[QuantumWake]

True.. I still had loads of fun with Halo 3! Cheers! :D

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I still say ODST will sell at least 1 million within 2 weeks.

[Figboy]

i have to say that i'm a bit disappointed.

my thoughts are this:

Halo 3 came out 2 years ago, in 2007. in that amount of time, Bungie didn't do ANYTHING to the graphics engine? at the least getting it to run at 720p? what have they been doing in the past 2 years since Halo 3's release?

for comparison:

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - released in November 2007:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

http://me2bz4u.com/~jkensco...

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves - releasing October 2009 (two years later, by the way):

http://vastgamers.com/scree...

http://www.kombo.com/images...

now i'm not sh*tting in Bungie's cereal here. in fact, out of all of the developers for the 360, i think Bungie is one of the best, and they are a talented developer. i just think they are better than this.

yes, gameplay trounces graphics, but i highly doubt anyone would accuse Uncharted of not having excellent gameplay to go along with the best graphics in the industry. they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

and in two years, Naughty Dog has actually TOPPED the visuals of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune with it's sequel.

it's a given that Halo: ODST will feature the same quality gameplay as Halo 3, so why couldn't Bungie put that 2 years to good use and bump up their graphics engine?

am i the only one that can imagine a Halo game using a graphics engine as sophisticated as the one in Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2?

in either case, i'm not the biggest Halo fan, but i'm actually thinking of picking up ODST, since it seems like it may be a bit different than the previous titles in terms of story (i loved the original Halo, but lost interest in the series after part 2, only playing bits and pieces of when my roommate had it).

[cmrbe]

We know that the x360 is able to produce 720p games. The issue is MS and Bungie. MS touted HD gaming so for their by far biggest franchise it surprise me with their lack of committment to that statement.

As for Bungie. There is no excuse now.

[TheMART]

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halo is the flagship title on the 360. halo made the xbox what it is today!

yakuza is a good franchise, and SF4 is a multiplat.

name one major ps3 exclusive that wasnt 720p or higher"

Hahahahah TOO EASY!

HAZE the great Halo 3 killer is in 576p

[jalen247]

Haze is third party. Halo is Microsoft's game. There is a big difference. Sony doesn't make sub HD games for their HD console (PS3). They have standards. It is a shame that you guys are willing to accept low quality from Microsoft. And you guys keep talking about the X-engine....blah blah blah...Microsoft is not going to invest in improving anything because its easy to please you guys. Low quality FTW....?...Huh...Lmao.

[jalen247]

If I owned a xbox360, I would be pissed because Halo is Microsoft's flag ship title. There is no excuse for this. Even the disney and movie based titles run in HD resolutions. I see a lot of excuses and misdirection in this thread. I thought ODST was a big exclusive for Xbox fans this Christmas that makes your line up better than that of the PS3's. Now its just an expansion again. Make up your minds. This just reaffirms why Xbox 360 2009 lineup is very weak compared to the PS3's. Remember guys, gamers don't play sales, they play games. :) Remember gameplay is king but not at the sacrifice of graphics. Isn't this the HD generation? If graphics wasn't important then we should all be playing on the Wii, ps2, and xbox. Wake up xbox fans, you keep supporting this, and Microsoft will keep short changing you. Speak with your wallets and don't buy the game. There are plenty of big time third party games for you this Christmas. Send Microsoft a message.

[ukilnme]

Why does this matter to all the non Halo fans?

Edit: I already know the answers.

[IQUITN4G]

ukilnme

Yup spot on

So guys, an answer on this, why on earth would this matter to anyone that hasn't even the slightest interest in the game anyway - it obviously only matters to you lot

It's not like any of these negotive comments will make us enjoy the game any less

Just like all of Bungie's Halo work, this will be way too much fun too care about any of this resolution nonsense

Surely there are better things to do with your time than writing duff comment here

[cmrbe]

Weather you like it or not this is the internet.

[ukilnme]

Indeed. Opinions are just like arseholes. Everybody has one. I can assure you that those of the non Halo fans don't matter to me.

[jackdoe]

Not really new, Digital Foundry already mentioned this, but I am still surprised that Bungie was so forthcoming. Normally, a developer will never tell you native straight up. They'll usually give you upscaled supported resolutions instead.

[ak1200]

Ok this is pretty bad news if you a loyal 360 owner, Halo is a game that is there to establish the 360 as is killzone or unchartered for ps3. This game will still sell alot probally more than ps3 sales however its at a reduced quality and sound than many 1st party titles on ps3. Ridge Racer 7 on ps3 lol yea you think it crap however it 1080p and at 60fps , as well as wipeout hd and nearly all mayjor titles weve got this year .

[xg-ei8ht]

Once Upon a Fable.

Alot of this actually depends on the TV used.

I've played GTA4 ON PS3 and 360.

The PS3 does have less popin, but both games have slight slowdown here and there.

But on my tv PS3 version looks better then 360.

Also alot of Plasma tv's are actually 1024x768 native. They downscale 720p,1080p images.

But my tv is still regarded as HD and trust me it looks amazing, 42inch.

Trouble with lcd is, if the native res isn't met, it does not look as good. Maybe thats the problem.

Either way, its a decent game.

Tbh if you enjoy the game, does the rez really matter, not that much i don't think./

[topgeareasy]

1st part game not 720p on xbox 360

all first party games on PS3 720P +

[mikemill]

I didn't know that Halo 3 wasn't true HD, and the fact that ODST hasn't seen technical improvements is pretty amazing to me.

I still can't believe Mircosoft is going to charge a full $60 for this game. LOL

[sak500]

I actually think bungie are one of the laziest devs ever. They just got lucky with the halo thing and just sat on its laurels and dint do much to improve anything from the original game. Just take a look at games sequels like Gears2, PGR3/4, now forza2 etc. Those idiots just made one engine back in 2007 and been milking the name with original xbox graphics. I will not be buying odst if its not priced more than 15$. The LIVE arcade games have better graphics than their engine.

[raztad]

It's a pretty hard contest between Bungie and Valve. I dont get how those guys at Valve are still using the aging Source engine.

[STICKzophrenic]

Xbox graphics? LMFAO.

As I stated, Halo 3 was my first Halo game, and since going back and playing the first two, it's pretty obvious how much better Halo 3 looks than Halo 2. Anyone who says Halo 3 looks like an Xbox game is just a hater.

[divideby0]

I can deal with the same engine, but "game engine itself has hardly changed" is a real big let down..especially when I see such diff. in games like UC2 and RnC.. and I am sure there are some 360 exclusives that must have looked better on the next go around

[Rhezin]

you know I really don't see the big deal. Halo 3 looked great to me, who gives a f!ck about 80 less p or whatever that sh!t is. The amount of people that get worked up over this is amazing. I'm sure ODST will be a great game visually and gameplay...ally. lol

[TheTruth89]

DVD CAPABLE 360°C MINI-FURNACE!!!

JUMP IN!!! Ohh... wait...

Anyway... i agree that 720p or not, its not a big deal... BUT... this is a shame

[ak1200]

Yap not good news at all, i read recently that the latest doom 4 from id has been gimped for a 3 dvd release on 360, they stated in a blog that on 360 version gfx are reduced to fit on to dvd9 format. You may hate the ps3 but longterm we got it !. Ps2 launch games were crappy as is the fluff ps3 owners had l8ly but i can be sure ps will win ,we have already won the hd format and the last 2 console generations ...why stop know

[Lord_Ranos]

360 is gaaaaaay problem solved.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Ummmm lets see:

PS3 Exclusive games - Run at a solid 720p/60fps/30fps or 1080p/60fps/30fps
PS3 Multiplats - Run at half assed resolutions. (read the rest before you think I'm a bot)

As I said before multiplat devs don't care about using a particular console to it's limits or in the proper way but what they do care about is making that game in 1 year for those quick bucks $$$.

Now lets move on:

360 Exclusives - Run at a solid 720p/60fps/30fps or some other half assed resolution under 720p AND some Fake ass upscaled 1080p/60fps/30fps

360 Multiplats - Run at a solid 720p/60fps BUT! the graphics of multiplat games on both the PS3 & 360 look crap so obviously the 360 is going to be able to run every multiplat game at a solid 720p/60fps not to mention how easy is to develop games on the 360.

Now lets see. PS3 Exclusives Look 10x's better then 360 Exclusives and are technical marvels yet they run at solid 720p/60fps/30fps or 1080p/60fps/30fps resolutions, but when devs make full use of the 360 then running those exclusive 360 games at a solid 720p/60fps/30fps or even upscaled 1080p/60fps/30fps is a hard task due to the limitations of the 360's hardware.

Remember Exclusives = Making the most or using that one console to it's limits to make the best game.

Soooo! in conclusion 360 Exclusive titles run at poor resolutions with bad framerates but PS3 exclusives look better and have more things happening on screen yet they can run at a smooth solid resolution with a solid framerate without any problems.

Which means the PS3 is the superior console.

Thank You for your time (^_^)

[Jigga69]

This is the best post.

[Raider69]

i have to say that fanboys really suck hard because they simply can see the truth behind the reality!this goes for the Xbox and PS3 fanboys!but in this case the troll's from the PS3 are a majority wend posting crap statements on this article!and we all know the ones im talking,because normaly those troll's are the first ones wend bashing starts!for does troll's all i have to say is,play more and stop bashing something that you haven't try playing!

[ShadowCK]

This automatically makes it a bad game!

/Sarcasm.

[Daz]

Most of you people do not think. calling bungie lazy e.t.

They been building a new engine for a new halo. and they give us another halo this year and people calling them lazy ;/

Some of you need to go and get a life.

[patterson]

This is the best it will ever be. Confirmed lol

[BasilMarceaux]

who cares really if something is technically "sub HD", its just a spec. Halo 3 and GTA4 both looked great and they didnt meet these HD "requirements". Graphics should only be an issue if theyre really awful. Who cares as long as the game is good and it looks ok.

Think about it this way, which is the better game, Goldeneye or Haze? Shadow of the Colossus or Too Human? I rest my case.

At least thats my opinion.

[KingKionic]

I thought we alll knew this .

Halo Reach will be better .

[Omega Zues]

I'm sad and glad.

Glad that Bungie told the truth unlike last time when they tried to sell the Elite Console stating you needed it to run Halo 3 at 1080p.

Sad that this proves they've put hardly any effort in to it. No way will I pay $59.99 for it since half the content is already in map packs.

[Digitaldude]

As expected its fine for 360 but will pale in comparison to Killzone 2 and such.
Although GFX isnt everything ill be pissed if reviewers say its graphically good.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

to try and topple this juggernaut franchise!

[josephayal]

IN MY OPINION CONDUIT LOOKS BETTER THAN HALO 3

[I-SEE-YOU]

Now we can play halo in two new colours, YAY!

Why buy halo and mod it when you can buy a new game with your hard earned cash so you can have those two new colours.

You get the idea....Next!

[gameman]

as always Bungie knows that if they do any halo game no matter how crappy the ver is with a sup resolution they know that the bots are too stupid to notice who would think that the next halo would be on 720p???>>>>(bots)

nothing new here move along ppl let the the bots enjoy the sup resolution game on there old 14" TV

[kaveti6616]

Wow, talk about grasping straws. First the PS3 fans bash ODST by calling it "just an expansion." Now they're bashing it because it's not 720p. Guess what? No one cares, and you PS3 fanboys are really being poor sports right now about this. I don't care how offended you have been by 360 fanboys in the past. Sticking your head up your ass and talking crap is not the solution, morons. By the way, in case you conveniently forgot, MGS 4: Guns of the Patriots is not even in HD. So what the hell are you guys bashing a Halo expansion for?

[DelbertGrady]

The PS3 mongrels are upset because Sony promised them 1080p games in 200 frames per second as a standard. It was "the holy grail" of gaming they said.

MS never said anything about what resolution their games would run at. They said most games would run at 720p and they were right.

Now the PS3 mongrels are trying to put the blame on MS for something Sony promised them.

The funny thing is that most people who play Halo do it because of the great gameplay. It's not a postcard fps like Killzone 2. Doesn't matter what resolution it runs at if the controls suck. How many gamers bought COD 4? Halo 3? Killzone 2? Thought so.

[TheTruth89]

Halo 3 have a great gameplay....

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best BS of all times...

[ultimolu]

...I just had to come in the Openzone to have a good laugh so here goes.

LMFAOOOOO!

Okay, I'm done.

[ELite_Ghost]

loolololololololollol I always thought the "Allmighty" xbox was as powerfull as ps3??? :(

[maniactadpole]

^_^

[devilhunterx]

Haze looks graphically better than Halo2.51

[jack_burt0n]

wow feel the need to add to mindless commments section.......must resist

oh..........

[divideby0]

mindblowing how anyone has a favorite game and not be disappointed by this....(this is console independant)...I tired reading some of the above and its just lol funny that many are not only being happy but defending the milking of a vid game (same goes for L4D)...amazing, many should just go out and graze in the pasture

[Violentine]

how come i ain't surprised to see this coming?

[FadeToBlack]

I love reading Morganfell's comments. They always give me a good laugh. I have both versions of GTA4 and to say the PS3 version is visually better is just asinine. All the Sony magic in my Bravia could'nt fix that mess.

[Kornholic]

HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT? 640p? And you call Xbox 360 an HD console?

[mrv321]

Weren't people saying that Killzone 2 didn't look that good for only being 720P (mianly fanboys)... I'd like to hear what they say now...

[mario888]

Killzone 2 is Native 1080i and is set to run at 720p for 1080 P and 720 TV.

[pshizle]

Halo REACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tonywood24]

I only a fan for Halo: Combat Evolved, but has played the other 2 games. They all looked very good, even though Peter Moore lied about the whole "Lucid Dream" in relation to Halo 3. ANYWAY... Halo 3 had some things that I really liked (The ATV is HOT!!), although the graphics didn't show me why MS and Bungie played the Xbox 1 fans by not giving them Halo 3. the point in Halo is online fun, not graphics, IN MY OPINION.

[GrandDragon]

Reply to Jason, The Mega X$$$$$ssssBot

1) MetalGearSolid *ONLINE* - 665p :

“Why this resolution? Rendering at this resolution can aid in post-processing effects, help with tiling through the RSX graphics chip, and also has the advantage of natively supporting 4/3 Standard Definition TV’s. In addition, MGO has been confirmed to run at 30 frames per second.”

Seems like a CLEVER choice if you ask me :P

The Article continues:

“There have been many “sub-HD” games this generation, from Halo 3 to Call of Duty 4.”

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *choke*....*cough*.... silence..... dead silence...

Continuing on with the Quote:

“To most the differences will be negligible and won’t detract from the gameplay experience” (Xbots excluded)

“Moreover, with MGO offering a higher resolution than the above two games along with 2xAA (gets rid of teh jaggies), you’ll be hard pressed to tell the difference.”

(OWNED BIATCH)

2) Moving on $wiftly to Halo 3

http://images.dailytech.com...
Teh JAGIES!!!!

Teh HOROR.....Teh JAGIES!!!

Notice how Halo 3 is a premium Exclusive Title which fails to even achieve the 720p mark...FAIL

Quote from the Article

“Those pixel-counting types with sharp eyes have discerned on the Beyond3D forums that Halo 3 does not actually run at a full high-definition resolution of 720p. By vertically and horizontally counting and calculating pixels on screen, it was found that Halo 3 runs with 640 lines of vertical resolution rather than the 720 lines at which that most other Xbox 360 games run.”

640p!! That is lower than MGS ONLINE!

Moving On

3) Call of Duty 4 MULTIPLAT

What Jason failed to realize is that COD4 suffered in BOTH consoles...

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

“The pixel counters strike again! Having already conquered Halo 3 by proving the flagship shooter was 80 pixels below HD (defined here as at least 1280x720), the Beyond 3D forum members are now claiming Call of Duty 4 is only 600p (1024x600 resolution = 614,400 pixels) for both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions - that's 120 pixels 307,200 pixels that have gone AWOL.”

THE HORROR!!

4) Street Fighter IV

IT WAS A PORT so naturally frame rates will drop in certain areas of the game. Compromise is inevitable!

“The reason for the drop in resolution is at the moment unknown, since elsewhere the PlayStation 3 build of Street Fighter IV is in the typical high-definition resolution; 720p. This can be best seen in the following images, where you'll struggle to find any discernible differences between the two”

http://yoda.dip.jp/Game/Str...

http://yoda.dip.jp/Game/Str...

IDENTICAL

So when it comes down to the Game play the Game is identical

Lets not forget Playability! The nature of the Dual Shock controller means that the Playstation Port will have a considerable degree of Advt over the Xbox version...So both version have their Pros and Cons.

5) COD3 and THP 8

http://www.joystiq.com/2006...

The Article was referring to Germany which did not have the PS3 version (back then)so it was a problem only found on the X$$$sss Box 360

[JJFNIGHTS80]

GTA IV does runs at 1080p. But since my HDTV I have in my room is a 26" I have it set on 720p HD. Our 42" is 1080p which works fine in FULL HD.

[napoleon_ist]

halo odst not 720p as the original halo 3, i knew it... :)

killzone 2 is 720p btw ;)

[napoleon_ist]

MGS Online at 665p ?! where did you get that?

by the way MGS4 runs at 1080p by default (must be upscaled though). :)

[ChickeyCantor]

Such fuss over a resolution, seriously its getting pathetic.
Its the same lame discussion when Halo3 was announced to be 640p.

Tha horrorzzzzzz

[meetajhu]

Sub-HD ehH? No more Halo beats Killzone or whatever things. But Killzone 2 is the best looking game out and best Fps experience even Uncharted 2 can't match Killzone 2 graphically! I agree 1 thing with Halo 3 its got the best HDR in video games!

[EVILDEAD360]

The N4G Halo Hate force came out in full force for this one. Pushing the comments to over 300 strong. The funny part about it is that on September 22nd, there will be well over 300 strong waiting on a line at midnight to play ODST at my local Gamestop alone. In fact like Halo 3 there will probably be close to a million rabid fans playing online within the first 24 hours.

Not one Halo fans gives a flying (insert expletive) about whether the game runs sub 1080P. The game will look great and most importantly of all be an official Halo game made by Bungie. That is all the matters.
Bungie deserves every accolade on the Planet Earth for giving Halo fans all over the world a classic gem like this. This was a rumored side project that has now turned into a monster.

I'll take any Halo side project with the same resolution, engine, enhanced graphics, all the multi-player maps from Halo 3, Forge, Theater, and Halo contols over any other FPS not named Call of Duty : Modern Warfare 2 any day. The funny thing is that i'm far far from being alone.

[PirateThom]

Why are people so content with mediocrity?

"Hey, it's OK if it only runs in 640p. It's the gameplay that counts."

Here's a news flash, you don't have to settle for one or the other.

[EVILDEAD360]

LMAO @ the hate

So a game is mediocre because of it's resolution?

That is a New Flash (In the Twilight Zone)

If that was the case, then please promptly throw a middle finger up to all the the last generations of gaming.

Hey, but if that is your opinion that's cool. But, like I said at the end of the day millions of Halo fans know why we love the game. Let the other fake 'Halo Killers' with better resolution keep trying to keep up.

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Dev 1 "So we got some spare time,whatcha wanna do?"

Dev 2 "Well we could mess about and increase the resoltion slightly!"

Dev 1 "Yer good idea...or we could fine tune the gameplay that little bit more."

Dev 2 "Your right - i mean Killzone 2 and Gears do look amazing but Halo is all about the best gameplay bar none"

Dev 1 "Agreed - lets give the fans something incredible again"

Dev 2 "Coffee?"

Dev 1 "Don't mind if i do"

Etc,etc,etc

[Kornholic]

You actually believe what you just typed?

For example Haze's gameplay is top notch but it's still generally bashed. Why is that? Due to poor graphics mostly and jaggies. It's not just the gameplay what makes a good game. It's the whole entity which consists of graphics, gameplay, story and so on.

[RustInPeace]

Even if some of the PS3 games are upconverted, what do you think the majority of 360 games do?.........NEXT!

[Billy G]

I remember all the XBOTs on the PS3 section attacking the PS3 for running GTA IV at 640p. Eat humble pie. Also it was a multiplat.