Forza 3: No weather, night or rally racing

Forza 3 might not include the above features, but it will include a hell of a lot more.

Turn 10 announced Forza 3 at Microsoft's E3 press conference with a short five second trailer, but then followed with incredibly impressive gameplay footage.

It's the first in the series to feature a cockpit view, and will include over 400 cars, many of which have yet to be announced.

There's been a few rumours that the game will also introduce a weather system, night racing and even off-road rally racing like Gran Turismo 5's inclusion of World Rally Championship.

[Syronicus]

Can you imagine what they would have to do to add more cars and more tracks for the off-road aspects? Sorry, but I will take it as it is and buy GT5 for the few things that Forza 3 will be missing. I just want to get in some more racing!

[Rainstorm81]

It looks like a great racing game for xbox but GT is and has always been in another league.

I always thought the compairisons were stupid but hey Turn 10 asked for it. Maybe they will learn to just focus on their own game and not the competitors.

[The Xbox Empire]

Forza isn't GT and GT isn't Forza. Forza might not have rally and night racing but it will have many things and features GT5 won't have. They aren't trying to make the exact same game. lol

[Hellsvacancy]

But wot can Forza add that Gt hasnt already got? drink drivin perhaps

[green]

fully detailed vehicle undercarriage for cars and introduction of not just damage but full vehicle roll overs.

-Full vehicle engine,drivetrain,gearbox,igni tion,engine block and tires swap.Option to add superchargers,turbochargers or take it out to reduce weight.And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from camber,tire pressure,roll bars,gear ratios,ride height,aerodynamics,springs,da mpers,braking pressure and differentials.

-Partnership with every major tire manufacturer from Pirelli,Avon,Yokohama,Bridgest one and Michelin to get fully detailed "Tire Flexing" data from them.(The 1st in a console racing game).

-Car paint customization and 2 auction houses for Cars/tuning and paint.

[Major_Tom]

And yet the cars don't control nearly anything like their real life counter-parts.

[The Xbox Empire]

Does GT have an online auction house with every motorsport part you could ever dream of? Customization of everything is a huge part of Forza and GT doesnt have anything remotely close. Car roll over and realistic damage that Forza has had since the first game? Tire flex which actually effects how the cars drive and the physics? Le mans 24 hour race in France? Rewind features if you mess up?

Turn 10 hasn't announced all the features yet(it was just announced at E3)...and specifically all the online/online trading features, there will be more. It's safe to say both will have features that the other game won't, it's 2 different teams making 2 different games.

[Blogs4Fanboyzz]

well said have a bubble.

hells vacancy: see the comment from green....plus in forza, you cant be in last place and ride every single car on a corner and end up in first place....just like you can in the real driving sim that is GT.

thas rite, its sooo much like real life. i always see the same thing happening in races. a car steams at full speed upto a corner, and just rides every other car into first place. heck, i even do it on the way to work when those pesky peons aint driving fast enough and i'm going to be late.

bottom line, forza and gt have turned into the new battleground for this ongoing nerd-war! i'm fortunate enough to have both consoles, and intend to buy both games. both look stunning, and both will be great without a doubt.

cant we just leave it at that?

quick kids, hit the disagree button, it's great when you do.

[Hellsvacancy]

But all that bollocks would probably require a 3rd a disk :-P

[The Xbox Empire]

"And yet the cars don't control nearly anything like their real life counter-parts. "

Says who? Is that why Forza is the higher rated Racing sim since becoming a franchise? Faulty and make believe opinions don't matter.

[ThanatosDMC]

I think people are talking about when a car in Forza 3 drove on grass at full speed without any problems especially a spinout when it was turning.

[Rainstorm81]

No no no

Forza'S TWO games are not higher rated than the entire GT series. We are on Forza 3 and the series has yet to reach GT2 car count i think it matched GT1 car count though. I like Forza customization but detailed undercarrage dosent draw me in, the real driving does and IMHO GT offers more like three games in one more. NASCAR, RALLY, REG Sim Racing. With the feature on forza to rewind if you lose or mess up during a race takes Sim out of the game.

@ major tom - you beat me to it i hate the rewind idea in forza and madden thats not simulation.

@ green - if you think GRASS will stop a car going over 100 MPH you are crazy. You may spin out but not everytime you touch grass and you do spin out in the grass on GT if you dont know what you are doing. All of which is REAL. i could see if it was MUD.

[green]

You can not drive a car across a field in Forza if you want to win a race.The car will either spin off or grind to a halt.But in GT5P,driving across the field and bumping into your opponents gives you an edge. http://www.gametrailers.com...

EDIT:@ Simonsaysbuyps3: I have played GT5p extensively that is why i know what i am talking about.That track is the Suzuka Circuit and in Gt5p you can just cut across the grass in the final S-curve to gain an advantage.That is a complete impossibility in Forza and taking that corner at any thing less than 70% efficiency can cost you up to a second when playing online, be it with all driving aids turned off or on.

[Major_Tom]

Yah, On a straight away, you lose speed by nearly half and in the final iteration damage has been added as a penalty for the rough stuff.

Your definition of 'driving across a field' is definitely exaggerated.

Edit: YA okay 'Green' that's why you can ski over the grass and sand in Forza right because it's so realistic. Please.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

NNNW wrote in a comment at the bottom

"I don't have much interest in racing games but..
I watched the developers' diary video thru the link and they mention a lot about tires and how they are affected by the weather, exhaust etc. Why would they talk so much about the weather/tires if there is "no weather" in the game?"

he does make a point there.

lets not judge the game ok.

[SimonSaysBuyPs3]

that trailers not in pro physic, and any way, trust me, I am a GT fan, I would know, you do slow down realistically in GT5p when you go wide on the grass, the sand is the real killer.

[edgeofblade]

"Better"

Why are we still obsessing over the minor details like this? Is it that important to stick a "Best" label on something?

Oh that's right. You're insecure children... I keep forgetting...

[Rainstorm81]

GT1 - night racing
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT2 - Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT3 - weather

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

These are not new features

@ Disagreeing Fanboys

I guess its true, the Truth does Hurt

[Greywulf]

- Painting
- engine swaps
- Tire flexing

Forza3 is NOT the first console game to include Tire Flex.. Need for speed shift already has it. They hired the programmer from the best PC rally racer to program for the title as well.

Who do you think started partnerships with tire companies in the first place? It wasn't forza.

Pretending that undercarriage modeling has anything to do with a driving simulator is just pedestrian.

Forza3 lacks any changes from Forza2 outside of cosmetics.

No weather
8 cars
No pit animations
No light cycles
No Rally
No Nascar

And the cars all look plastic because they don't reflect the track. Like GT does.

Forza3 is an arcade game at this point, with features like REWINDING AND FLIPPING OVER! lol. The Gotham kids should love this!

@ La Chance

Inferior products don't take long to make. hence the no new upgrades in forza3 outside of using hdri to light unrealistic looking vehicles that roll over and rewind.

F4 will probably be out in a few months like L4D with a brand new 60.00 price tag.

Definitive racer has 0 features & A psp game has more vehicles. lol.

lol @ 8 cars on nuburgring or lesarthe.. talk about not enough to even keep it competitive.

[SimonSaysBuyPs3]

Yes true, you can use the first corner on suzuka as a shortcut, it came in hand for the F40 race near the end.
I dont know if that is realistc or not. Anyway the point is, try and excelerate out of grass, in any GT, and see how much impact it has on the drivers throttle response. crashing to a halt in GT, is bad.

[XboxUltimateAlliance]

lol Rainstorm do you want some kind of prize or something.

Foza isn't GT.

They don't have all the same features. Has GT has full damage, car rollover, full vehicle engine,drivetrain,gearbox,igni tion,engine block and tires swap.Option to add superchargers,turbochargers or take it out to reduce weight.And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from camber,tire pressure,roll bars,gear ratios,ride height,aerodynamics,springs,da mpers,braking pressure and differentials.(Thanks Green)

How about an auction house to trade parts and awesome paint jobs you know you couldnt make on your own? You cant even do paint customization in GT, much less autotunning, body kits and everything else.

Does GT have a tire sweel system that makes the cars behave in a realistic nature around curves and it you go off balance?

There are many more features to be announced for forza3, its still months away and we already know all these things.

Forza isnt GT, they aren't going to go do the exact same things.

So whats your point? You have none, do you?

[Greywulf]

full damage - Yes - gt5
car rollover - No most arcade games have this though, not most sims
full vehicle engine - no
drivetrain - yes
gearbox - yes
igni tion - Yes
engine block -no
tires swap - yes
Option to add superchargers,turbochargers - yes
reduce weight -yes
And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from
camber -yes
tire pressure -yes
roll bars - yes
gear ratios - yes
ride height - yes
aerodynamics - yes
springs -yes
dampers -yes
braking pressure -yes
differentials -yes

Thats the problem here, you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

How many Forza2 racers have turned professional? None.

how many cars have Turn10 made?none.

How many times has ferrari debuted their new vehicles in forza3? none.

What systems for the Nissan GTR has turn10 been asked to do?None.

Again, Forza3 has nothing but cosmetic changes.. Forza2 allegedly had a dynamic tire model, yet the games physics were 100% terrible. If you want to pretend otherwise compare f3 replays to f2.. tell me f2's cars aren't gliding around the world. Thats the best thing about f3, it shows how terrible and beneath gt5p f2 was physically and graphically.

Just stop. Swapping an engine is a great feature to have, as are a few others that forza have. But they don't matter when the games physics aren't realistic. And they will more than likely be added to GT5. Which is creaming f3 when it comes to features.

Is forza3 better because of 5 features? lol. Please.

[Rainstorm81]

Majority of the features you just named was in GT1. Yes Forza has features that GT wont have, will it make it a better game? i love the customization and auction house though

Although Turn 10 has had a steady stream of pot shots at PD, yet you cant match GT's car count or have basic features that has become a staple of GT years ago. Turn 10 said "they have the racing sim crown because GT didnt show up" well they dont have to show up Forza has yet to surpass previous GT games in many ways.

I know they wont both be the same but dont try to defend the fact that a car can flip over with a detailed undercarrage but it cant have a night racing stage. Even MIDNIGHT club had day racing. Its called game evolution but im sure you arent used to that.

@ sox fan

I prefer GT4 less cars means less replayability especially when neither of those GT games were online. But the difference is small in ratings all of the games were rated fairly high, GT2 was rated high and it had 600 cars. This is why we are still waiting for GT because they dont want to start off with a 150 car count GT this gen like on PS1 and PS2.

[soxfan2005]

"Definitive racer has 0 features & A psp game has more vehicles. lol."

"We are on Forza 3 and the series has yet to reach GT2 car count i think it matched GT1 car count"

That's why GT3, with 150 cars, is much higher rated than GT4, with 800 cars. You guys just don't get it, it's about the quality of the racing, not number of cars in the game. But, if quantity is more important to you than quality, that's your choice.

[Blogs4Fanboyzz]

do you work for polophony digital? because you're trying to hard my friend.

[JOLLY1]

I am so glad that Turn 10 is stinking to the 360 calculations per second. It is nice to know that there is a calculation being done every couple of inches, not every couple of feel like most other sims.

*EDIT* Sorry I am not quite like you grey. Trust me, I'd take the physics in Forza over gt anyday. I used to be a very big supporter of gt, then I played Forza 1. There is a huge difference. Maybe when you get a car some day, you will notice the difference.

You should really post some pics of your car. Ah... willow springs, the official track used when people want to pretend that they race. You're funny.

[Greywulf]

Im trying too hard. Thats the "buh buh well I have nothing to say" response by the way.

I know you guys love to live in denial. Which you can continue to do.Im just shocked that people didn't know you could do all of that in GT.

@jolly

You're glad Turn10 is making a game for the 360.. no matter how bad the physics are, like f2.. you'll still love it :). Nothing wrong with that either. And when Turn10 comes out and says for F4 that "ok ok THIS time we REALLY nailed the physics" You will throw f3 under the bus and pretend f4 is the best sim on consoles ever :) The best thing that could happen to the forza franchise, is F3 highlighting how bad F2 was.

edit @
Jolly, my stillen g35 coupe says other wise. As do my track days at Willow Springs.

Please just stop. Its clear why you LOVE forza, its because you like to live in fantasy worlds of physics to where your lap times in the games reflect no lap times on real courses in the world, at all.You can't even use a real steering wheel with/FFB forza, and you STILL cant until october.

How about you and I race IRL :) I'd love to take your pinkslip. Or just your dignity :)

edit:

more dodging from jolly :), denial is hilarious.

[Anon1974]

His account is only an hour old, he's openly admitted it's a duplicate account and he's already started belittling other members on these forums for their opinions. I don't think that account is going to be around for long.

[xwabbit]

Y are people talking about GT5 here ? Let the 360 only owners have half the game GT5 will be, but its something. No need to bring it up cus some will get mad and start disagreeing with facts, with their multiple accounts which i see they keep making.

[La Chance]

Oh man if GT 5 DOES NOT rate higher than Forza 3...just like GT4 DID NOT score higher than FORZA... you guys are going to be the most RIDICULOUS community to ever appear on the world wide web...EVER.

I pray for you ps3 diehards that GT5 scores higher.

edit: @greywulf : euh...what the heck you talking about ?? Anyways dont start the damage control already.
Since Forza saw the light of day, no GT game has ever been rated higher. I think u know that and youre starting to damage control already.

edit: @greywulf : I still dont understand the pure garbage thats coming out of your mouth. Where did u see that reviews dont matter ??
I give up, keep on editing if u wanna

[Greywulf]

its hard to keep up with you guys.. since the 360 has had nothing but underwhelming releases outside of Gears & Fable since 2008. So scores matter now? Scores used to matter when people aren't getting fired for lying about reviews.

I mean, I thought prototype was better than infamous even though it flopped with scores?

Uncharted & Ratchet are better games than most of the 360's entire lineup with a score of 89 and below. I mean even though Banjo Flopped, wasn't there still a die hard community? lol.

Scores wont create more cars on track for F3, night/weather, Rally, or a better realistic simulation.

edit:

Damage control??? No im just pointing out the gigantic failure of 360 games to score well since fable2. Velvet Assasin, race pro, ninja blade, banjo kazooie, and whatever else wasn't AAA. And how it doesn't seem to matter that PS3 games score higher, until well.. it "matters" :) then scores are some how some pillar of quality? Im in the boat that scores don't matter, because of how busted the system is, but when the PS3 is in the lead with scores.. it gets no credit. Just when its behind.

edit @ jolly

IRl = In real life... not the irl series. its Internet jargon, like "LOL","TTYL& ;amp ;quo t;,"BRB". I know you can't dispute what I said about forzas unrealistic physics/hotlaps/feedback, so its good to see you want to pretend you know something about cars using the wikipedia & google. --which is why this is pointless but ill play along--

You can't dispute any of what I've said about Forza, so you're on a mission to try to discredit my track days and my vehicle? Well.. have at it.. I'm here :) its a 03 coupe w/sports package, and thats just my track car. I drive a 08 rs4 as my dd.

As Walter Sobchak so eloquently put it.. you're out of your element .... jolly.

I know you just have a wrx. And i'd spank you any day of the week.

[JOLLY1]

I would love to know what # you are. How is Danica? I hear she can be a hot head. You are really funny grey. Which year g35 do you have? I have some questions for you regarding whatever year you have. Yes I know a poop-ton about cars. I really can't wait to hear back from you. This will be fun. I would really like to see you in the rear view of the STi.

[na2ru1]

not the competition and that's what Polyphony are setting out to do.

[evrfighter]

"car rollover - No most arcade games have this though, not most sims "

no eyebrows are raised when you read that?

car rollover's are either

A) Realistic
or
B) Unrealistic

One or the other. A "True" sim would include this would it not?

[saint_john_paul_ii]

GT3 had more than 500 cars. not 150. the reason why GT3 was rated higher than GT4 was because there was no big change, other than the fact that it had more cars and more tracks than GT3, and of course physics changes. just like how GT1 scored higher than GT2.

[SL1M DADDY]

What a joke! I was at least expecting that with two DVD's and only 400 vehicles that they could at least toss in a night driving level or some dirt tracks. And this is supposed to compete with GT? Really?

@ La Chance - Oh so when you cannot compete on your sales data you bring up meta scores? Just another pathetic excuse for lack of features...

[Greywulf]

You don't hit a wall in an r8 and roll over. The arcade setup in forza3 has vehicles rolling over at a simple wall collision.Its very rare to roll over a vehicle, and when it happens its the end of the race. Its not realistically simulated at all-- it looks cool, but not really.. realistic.

Most true PC sims don't have vehicles rolling over. Because its like simulating a freak accident.

[WEL]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Polyphony Digital is so great that they not just made the dashboard for the newer GT-R, they even designed an entire car for real life!

[pixelsword]

"customization" is not the focus here; The driving (where the word "simulation" applies) and "realistic car ownership" is key, not anything else; where the GT series is king.

Although you *can* -in reality- custom-build your Lamborghini with all sorts of custom parts, -in reality- very few people ever do steer away from the original colour and build of the cars. When a woman has a very beautiful face, a woman rarely pierces and tats it up because she wants the world to know that she is a beautiful woman. To make a parallel, person who has a Lamborghini rarely goes bananas with the customization to the point that people have to take a good look to see what kind of car they drive, because they want the world to know it's a Lamborghini... with it's almost stereotypical yellow, red, or grey colour.

Now, DON'T get me wrong, I'm not in any way trying to justify why GT doesn't have the myriad of options for customization, but people have to realize that GT is for car buffs, not people who aren't car buffs. Look at Jay Lenno; he is an avid car collector, he doesn't trick-out any of his cars, although he (if anyone who collects cars) can: because car collectors want a pristine replica of the car when it rolls off of the assembly line. Gran Turismo basically caters to the same mindset a car collector would have, making such options unnecessary.

Although, I might add, I wouldn't be offended if they did add such pomp; as I am not a car collector, avid or otherwise.

:P

[cmrbe]

Froza 3 is now only catching up to what GT have done last gen on the PS2. GT has moved on from the shiny/glossy plastic car models with photo realistic car models and lighting.

Physics wise Froza 3 is a joke.

Well at least its on two DVD's. Something that it can be proud of equaling with GT last gen lol!.

[Sarcasm]

"THE DEFINITIVE RACING GAME OF THIS GENERATION."

"No weather, night racing, or rally in the game."

LMAO

Still getting it though. But the more they talk about the game, the more apparent that guy at Turn 10 is an idiot.

[Sarcasm]

"You don't hit a wall in an r8 and roll over. The arcade setup in forza3 has vehicles rolling over at a simple wall collision.Its very rare to roll over a vehicle, and when it happens its the end of the race. Its not realistically simulated at all-- it looks cool, but not really.. realistic."

Forget about the roll over. The video in Forza 3 shows the guy going 90mph out into the grass, slides and hits the wall on the passenger side. Yet the car tips to the left and he keeps going full speed on the grass. That's some serious Daytona USA physics right there.

[GodGinrai]

now your just making stuff up. i dont recall skiing across the grass in forza 2. If you think GT is more realistic than forza ,then you clearly have never driven a car , much less a performance car...

[GUNS N SWORDS]

"Forza 3: No weather, night or rally racing"

.......now tell me that those options can't be applied as DLC, and turn 10 already said that forza3's getting a lot of DLC.

"Sorry Turn 10 be quiet next time
GT1 - night racing
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT2 - Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT3 - weather

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

These are not new features"

GT's finally getting car damage....you think that's a new feature, EVERY racing game this generation had that.

[PshycoNinja]

"Also included for the first time will be dynamic weather changes and damage modeling. Night races will return from previous Gran Turismogames. Full licenses from WRC and NASCAR will also be featured."

edit- @GUNS N SWORDS
main wording, THIS GEN, GT5 is the first full fledged GT THIS GEN!

edit 2- @GUNS N SWORDS

Sorry but I dont feel like paying for features that should have been in the game already.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

(PshycoNinja)

your just trying to spin this around,

what's cheaper for a 360 gamer selling their 360's to find them selves short of picking up a ps3 with GT5 OR, going to a bestbuy or a game store and picking up a copy of forza3?

and most of all, for the people who don't own either console, what's cheaper,

out right buying a ps3 and getting GT5 or getting a 360 with forza3 and paying $5 to $10 extra for more content?

[tootiFrooti]

" bububu.........RARRRGH MY GT 5 IS BETTER THAN YOUR FORZA 3!! I MUST DEFEND GT5's HONOR ON N4G RIGHT NOW IN THIS FORZA 3 NEWS PIECE! I MUST PROVE GT5's SUPERIORITY TO ALL FORZA FANS! I WILL DEFEND YOUR HONOR GT5!!!" - sentiments of a meaningless internet fanboy

[PshycoNinja]

How am I spinning this?

Iam not asking for 360 gamers to go buy a PS3 and GT5. Its just all these 360 Fanboys are saying theres not certain feats in GT5 when most of the feats they are talking about are in GT5P. By all means if you only have a 360 then buy F3. All I'm trying to do is clear up any confusion with GT5.

P.S. and yes I do disagree with Turn 10's statement about them being the "definative" racing SIM.

[The Lazy One]

I could have sword I clicked an article about forza and somehow I ended up in an article about GT5...

[thesummerofgeorge]

that's just embarrassing.

@Xbox Empire
You're reaching pal.

[Nelson M]

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[No Way]

Y'alls a bunch of babies. Plain and simple.
They are two different games. Both are great games.
Get over yourselves. It's like comparing Gears 2 to Killzone 2.
They have different styles, mechanics, and features.
They are completely different games, so stop comparing them!
Hence why one game is named Forza and one is named Gran Turismo..

[Montreafart]

"And yet the cars don't control nearly anything like their real life counter-parts. "

"Says who? Is that why Forza is the higher rated Racing sim since becoming a franchise? Faulty and make believe opinions don't matter."

>> SAYS every fking professional racing team.

PWNED.

There is a reason why GT is called the MOST realistic racing SIM.
Forza isnt a racing SIM. Its a fking ARCADE racer claiming to be a SIM. Yet when you drive in Forza, its a fking ARCADE racer. The fact that you can turn corners at 120 miles an hour says enough.

Try doing that in real life and see if you survive the next 1 minute.

And all the features you mentioned? Yes, GT has that. They had that 13 years ago. Its called GT1.

And GT has weather, 16 vehicles on track, NASCAR, RALLY, F1, hell the PSP version has 800 cars already. Forza claims to have 400 cars. Big fking WHOOP. GT FOUR already had 560 cars. And thats a PS2 game.

Who the fk are you kidding me. Forza is an arcade racer and every upgrade has minor cosmetic changes. No wonder they can pump out another installment within 2 years rofl. Soon, Forza franchise will be like FIFA Soccer or Madden. Each year will have a different version with minor cosmetic changes and they will charge you 60 bucks for it. And all in the name of the console war. Ride that fking train. Hahaha fools. Youre been sucker punched.

[rbluetank]

this settles it for me... GT5 FTW! i would like my racing car games to be as real as possible... forza needs this to challenge the better racing car games...GT5 FTW!

[ps3gogetitt]

Whether and night racing or full customization?

[JOLLY1]

I'll take the second please.

[novaIS350]

I'll take realistic looking cars... all 800+ of them. Weather and day/night cycles over a hood scoop and GT wing any day. I'll see you "customization" and raise you WRC.

[JOLLY1]

Hopefully gt will finally have some interesting WRC stages. The one in prvious gt's have been "not so good"

[Greywulf]

and having rally is better than not being able to fit the cars on 2 dvd's in the first place.

Legs, no.. because it was normal to swap cd's in the past. There wasn't a clear choice to be had. Gaming consoles usually use the bigger storage for the next console. Not the same as the previous generation. Its 2009. Its like having a cd player in a 360, vs a dvd player in the ps3. Is it a "problem"? No way, its just obsolete. No longer modern to swap discs in the world of computing.

Rewinding tapes manually isn't a "problem" neither is using a rotary phone.

edit:

"Also if you want to do the Career, put in the career disk. If you want to go and do arcade challenges, put in that disk...problem solved."

So thats not getting up and swapping a disc how? I mean.. you are swapping a disc correct? As in.. getting up.. and swapping a disc..

Again, its not a problem. Just obsolete.

[cRaZyLeGs 93]

Rally is a good part of GT, but I fail to understand what you mean about forza. They ARE fitting the cars on 2 dvd's. We know they have to use 2 because of no blu-ray. It wasn't a problem with GT2 was it?

[JOLLY1]

I am sorry you have such low expectations. I understand now, I just didn't know before. On a side note about 2 disks. It's called install both disks if you want. Also if you want to do the Career, put in the career disk. If you want to go and do arcade challenges, put in that disk...problem solved.

[Perkel]

@ ps3 gogetit

maybe both ? You don't know what will gt5 have . Carengine body etc customization were always in gt games. Painting cars isn't a much problem to add...

[ps3gogetitt]

you don't have to swap dvds, you have the option to load one or both onto your hard drive...

Customization is a game by itself.. people actually go online to just paint cars and customize them for sale in the auction house

others go online to copy customization for their real world cars..

Hopefully forza 4 will have wrc but its not necessary in 3..

another ? 16 cars racing against each other non unique or 8 cars each unique with your personal customization?

[phosphor112]

Real racers never put pictures of Goku on their car and ran a race. Yeah it adds "personality" but in racing, personality comes with how aggressive you drive and how you handle the turns and other opponents.

[ps3gogetitt]

Somebody loves goku

I am not talking about art but customization....

"how aggressive you drive and how you handle the turns and other opponents." Does this really matter in GT when there's no car damage/impact?

[cyberwaffles]

full customization is pretty nice, i like it alot, but GT5 is having like twice as many cars and models. not saying full customization is useless, but all those different car models makes a big deal for a lot of racing fanatics. i like the GT series but i'm not obsessed with it since i'm not into racing to begin with. my cousin, however, who works in LA with a custom car magazine company (forget it's name) is insanely addicted to the GT series.

i remember asking him one time what was the point of having so many different cars when they were all the same car manufactures but different models. he said, "it meant everything." for example, he told me the Autobacs 2002 Garaiya model would feel and play completely different compared to the 2003 Garaiya Race model simply because there are different types of engines and horsepower going underneath the hood. different brake system, different throttle, different everything. i wish i could tell more what he said but i can't remember since i'm not as knowledgeable about cars as he is.

with that being said, he said he's played forza and hates it since it doesn't play realistically. i think forza is great but thats because i'm not as addicted to racing sims (or racing games for that matter) as much as him so i would imagine true racing simulator fans would want a true racing sim and judging by the driving i've seen from the past forza games, it doesn't look that too realistic. still looks like a lot of fun however, just not realistic which some are really wanting.

[mastiffchild]

I'm a big fan of both series but, as I've said a few times, T10 and Greenawalt made a big rod for their own back by continually using the word definitive about their game.

If Forza3 is to be the "definitive" racing sim this generation then it MUST have weather and night/day cycles. Yes, you can buy lots of parts, stiffen and lower your springs and all of the mechanical stuff you can think of but leaving out, say, just rain makes it pretty pointless. As a driver I know that a little rain changes the handling of, esp, my rear wheel drive car as much as ANYTHING and that's without ice or roadspill, fog or hail-which can be even worse.

It's saying it's a sim these days and with the tech available that means weather is essential. I'm far more likely to encounter difficulties(or encounter at all)from some weather than a new part. It's just much more basic and vital to a simulation to have these things than it is to have a million paint colours, no?

So, imo, no rain(let alone all the other weather)= no kind of sim, still a good game, but not a great sim at all. And a huge way from being "definitive". It should've been in before a lot of the fluff they have got, imo, and I don't see why it isn't as, as much as the realism it lends, it adds replay value through variety as weather alters any and every track.

Again, I'll gladly be buying both GT5 AND F3 as I love the previous games even if they're very different, imo, but I do feel that T10 need the same attitude adjustment that Sony did after the PS3 launch and all the "extra job to get one" BS. I would not buy a PS3 'til that changed and 'til Greenawalts insistence on jibing PD and declaring his feature lacking game to be the "definitive" racing sim this gen ceases I've no choice but to ignore the release of F3. Sadly, as I'm still really looking forward to it-it's just I don't like either being lied to or giving my hard earned to egotistical ingrates.

[xwabbit]

@cRaZyLeGs 93 ur comparing forza 3 to Gt2 which was out on the ps1 Lol ?

[bloop]

I agree with Jolly that the Rally racing in the GT series was mediocre, and this is coming from a GT freak!!!! I hope they step it up in 5.

[thesummerofgeorge]

You are aware GT5 has damage right? Or were you trying to compare forza 3 to GT4?

[No Way]

You've.. never watched street racing, have you?

[KingKionic]

Weather and night would have been nice...oh well.

[LightofDarkness]

Exactly, I'm still buying it. I love Forza, I enjoy the driving experience far more than in GT. But GT may be better yet. Rally racing is fun. Don't really care about night-time or weather, but it certainly will make Le Mans a little less interesting.

[KingKionic]

But it wont stop people from enjoying the games.

hmm...

[Vx_]

no one can convince me that what they are doing with the game will make it more enjoyable<---fact!

[creeping judas]

Cant wait for Forza 3!!!
And then when I'm done with that. I can't wait to play GT5 and hopefully some real good rally racing!!!

[novaIS350]

Yeah I'm going to get both. But I am definitely looking forward to GT5

[Major_Tom]

Seriously? Isn't this a step backwards, especially rally racing?

That's like a common feature should it not be?...

[lokiroo420]

Dear Turn 10:

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...because i need 4 Wheels to drive the Cars in this Game!!! ;-D

[WEL]

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

Polyphony Digital is so great that they not just made the dashboard of the newer GT-R, they even designed an entire car for real life!

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I mean, c'mon, I don't expect you to be as awesome as GT and include WRC, but no weather, no day and night!? Those things have pretty much been staples for racing sims since the beginning of this gen! Blur and Shift both have those things!

[Stubacca]

People are actually comparing Forza to GT??? When in the hell did Forza get that good?

Forza has always looked garbage. Gran Turismo is the ultimate racing sim. Nothing else comes close.

I'm starting to wonder if the bots may have brain damage. Maybe another side-effect of dodgy hardware?

[Bill Gates]

AAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH.... ...wait just give me a second.......AAHAHAAHHAAHHHAAH HHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAA

BABOONS GET OWNED YET AGAIN.....AHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH AAHHA

[jBat17]

what? at least have some night racing. and capped at 8 cars on track? is this a psOne game? well, it looks like one, graphically, compared to GT5

[Foxgod]

I dont really see the need for those features anyway.
This game is gonna be one heck of a racing game without those features already.

When its released this october, it will be the best racing game to date, GT5 aint out yet for at least a year and a half.

[Major_Tom]

So you don't think no rally racing... in a full fledged racing game isn't kind of necessary?

[Foxgod]

No its not, we got rally games for that.
Dirt for example, wont beated by any rally racing this gen.

[techie]

What about 16 cars on track? Forza 3 will only support 8 cars at a time.

[Major_Tom]

Lol Headsup there mackey, DiRT is an Arcade racing game if anything.

I'm not gonna argue with you because I know where your allegiance lies and you're gonna say anything just because you think you're right. Whatever dude.

[Raf1k1]

I know what you mean and I kinda agree but aren't rally games like normal arcadey recers? i.e. not rally sims. (I don't play rally games so I don't know just how arcadey or realistic they are)

If a racing sim has rally as well it would certainly make the rally part of the game really interesting since it would be very realistic and not arcadey if you know what I mean.

[ZILLA]

who couldnt figure that out.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!!

[Natsu X FairyTail]

that's a big SMH imo.

night levels been in racing games forever. They freaking better have a whole lot of tracks.

[DragonWarrior_4]

Anyone heard of Midnight Club? Its been done since last gen.

[SimonSaysBuyPs3]

I wont be getting Forza 3

but I will look forward to play it

Still looks good

GT5 its a longer wait, but its worth waiting for

[Henry Cain]

Wow no weather change. Sunny everyday in the most accurate and convincing racing sim ever made. GT5 better watch out.

[Daz]

so your hating every game before that with no wether.

i play sims on pc and some havent got wether? does that make it less of a sim?

And how manty gt have been out? and there only just putting in weather.

[SimonSaysBuyPs3]

Well GT4 did have a wet track, that was their own way of putting weather in, and it worked well...

I actually can't work out if hes being sarcastic.

[Killjoy3000]

The point is the bar has been set higher, so now things like weather are neccecities to keep up to date with the evolution of racing games. This is why Polyphony pushed so hard to put damage in GT5, because it was something they really needed to keep up with Forza.

And since Polyphony added damage, it would only be right for Turn 10 to take a similar step to evolve their game in terms of scale.

[Daz]

yes but is the damge on all cars? i seen in an artical only race cars will have it.

But i did get the wether thing wrong ;p, gt had it a while now.

[mastiffchild]

And the point is that T10 claim their new game to be, again their word, "definitive" and do so by not including the weather? A feature common even in non serious racers these days? A feature which, as in real life, effects the handling far more than any other?

The difference in getting your power down to a dry track and a wet one is prolly the biggest in motorsport so to go on about being "definitive" and having cracks at the oppo while leaving it out is ludicrous-I can't quite believe it myself as having weather seems very basic and entirely essential-esp for a real sim. The same goes for night/day racing too.

It's not me, or any other gamer who created the need for Forza3 to be the greatest racing sim ever. No, I love F2 and count myself as a big fan of it(as I do about the GT series)but when they say they're the very best, have digs at PD and then admit to lacking the most bog standard yet vital of features it's T10 making themselves look silly-they set their own bar overly high with their words at and since E3.

If you want to say stuff like they did you ave to be damn sure you can back it up on EVERY front-and esp so when the word you use most is "definitive". A definitive racing sim with no chance of even a shower? I don't think so, do you?

Also, what's the point of having the tire partnerships and wet/dry set ups when there's no weather but the sun? Makes things pretty cosmetic.

I like Forza and reckon Forza3 will be a really good game. I don't like the arrogance or the way they caused themselves all this grief by opening their traps without thinking or quite knowing what the words really meant. It's Dan G that sonds most like a fanboy when he ays repeatedly how F3 is the best when he knows it lacks features other games already have-it makes a nonsense of his spiel.

[Sarcasm]

All I can say about wet weather racing is that it truly separates the Rookies to the Veterans in any form of professional motorsports.

Everything changes. The racing line, the tire compound, the suspension stroke, the camber angles, the caster angles, where the engine makes low end torque or high end torque, the brake bias, the aerodynamics, EVERYTHING. What is optimal settings in a dry racing environment, is completely reversed in a wet racing environment.

And it's funny how the "Definitive Racing Games of this generation" won't be conveying how tough that is.

[Killjoy3000]

I don't know where you read that< but that info is more than likely wrong.

[The-Director]

If this is the definitive racing game of this generation then we're in trouble.

[SimonSaysBuyPs3]

'Wow no weather change. Sunny everyday in the most accurate and convincing racing sim ever made. GT5 better watch out.'

facepalm

[FantasyStar]

Aw damn... I was actually looking forward to driving in rainy conditions. Aw darn it.

[Jeromejones]

Fail

Forza dev:' We cant think of any other way to improve our game, its perfect...btw fuk GT'

smh

[NNNW]

I watched the developers' diary video thru the link and they mention a lot about tires and how they are affected by the weather, exhaust etc. Why would they talk so much about the weather/tires if there is "no weather" in the game?

[Natsu X FairyTail]

you do make a point.

[Ven1000]

Blowing smoke. Turn 10 must be good at it. All that smack talking towards GT and nothing to show for it. ROFL

[novaIS350]

So they've been touting this as the end all be all game. How can you have Le Mans racing without nigh time? 24 hours of sunlight in a simulated 24 hour race?

[BYE]

That's kinda weird....

For me, and I think for many others, rallye is one of the most important aspects in a racing game. I always loved this in GT, spend about 70% of playing only doing rallye.

I'm sure Forza 10 will be a good racing game, but with this lack of features it will have a hard time living up to the claims Turn 10 made recently.

[KingKionic]

Well open zone looks pretty alive.

[Odion]

PGR4 had weather and a night cycle, I guess its better then both cause it did it 2 years ago!

[novaIS350]

But it was an arcade racer nonetheless.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Aw I was hoping for night tracks. I enjoyed them in GT1-3

Don't mind the nonweather effects and definitely don't care about Rally racing.. but the night courses would have put this game over the top for me.

Oh well.

[JayX666]

have the The Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloc

[Vx_]

just minz ago they announced the changes they made on Alan Wake due to xbox limitations and now DIZ?? WTF!! really sux to be a bots

[DJ]

No need to attack 360 owners. Blame MS.

[Man_of_the_year]

I am sure Polyphony took enough notes when they checked out Turn10's game at E3 to finally make a good racing game...too bad with all the notes taken on how they can improve GT5 to compete with Forza3, it will be pushed back even further....I am sure it will come out in 2010...Sucks that all those early adaptors that bought the PS3 for $600 for this game now has a system worth $400 and still no GT5.

[dustgavin]

Hopefully, that helps you feel better about Forza being the gimped game with lackluster features.

You get what you pay for. Ps3 games are continuing to push the envelope while 360 games are having to cut features due to technical limitations of the system.

[talltony]

fanboy comment much??
So you feel obligated to diss the ps3 when a article like this comes out? ironic.
Their is no night or rain effects in forza 3 which is absolutely no excuse for. If you like racing games then this really really sux!

[Insomnia_84]

Most Retarded Comment Of The Year

[Nelson M]

Speakin outa his Ass Again !!!

[shysun]

That's a pretty big aspect of the game to leave out.

[KingKionic]

Forza 3 will be sick any way.

[PirateThom]

Also, I'm certain the game won't include my favourite car, 1991 Toyota Celica GT-Four.

If it contains that exact model and year, consider me impressed. The Celica selection in Forza 2 was painfully lacking.

[themyk]

That's an awesome car. I love cars from that erra. Like the old school preludes. Celicas. Supras ( the square ones). Early Nissan z's. Good time for cars.

[GameOn]

The Carlos Sainz edition. I think there was only 200 in uk originally.

Nice car.

[DuneBuggy]

Ditto on the Japanese sports car love. I used to own a 91' MR2 turbo and have had 7 Z cars from a 71' 240z to a 03' 350Z.
Miss my 84' Celica GTS too.

[PirateThom]

Love the MR2 as well.

[tudors]

I have to say that this is nextgen, just put the night and day/weather in there please, le'mans is not le'mans without a night time option, even the dreamcast had it, this is not a case of having another disk so don't be silly, this is a feature that project gotham has used without a problem, I see no reason for it not being included in Forza 3, not saying it will spoil the game without it but it would have been nice.

[MetalGearBear]

wtf!!!?? turn 10 must really lazy!!!!
thank god!!! i have PS3. GT5>Forza 3

[XLiveGamer]

Can you guys please explain me with details why Gran Turismo is better Racing Sim than Forza? Please no B.S. and no Console brand fanaticism, please just put fanaticism out.

Lets see if you guys know about cars. Lets see if you know about platform and handling and how a tuned GT Car feels. Because apparently all you Forza haters knows about cars and racing driving.

Can you apply (REAL) settings and calculations on Gran Turismo games? because in Forza you can and have a huge impact on your tuning and handling.

[Man_of_the_year]

Can't be done. Anyone with half a brain which obviously leaves out Sony Fanboys since they have no brains, can see that the industry has all reviewed the forza franchise the better racing game. www.metacritic.com shows this.

But Sony Fanboys will always say GT is better even when the industry says otherwise, even when Polyphony went to Turn10's booth at E3 and took notes on the game.

They will always have to justify their purchase of only owning a PS3 and their loyalty towards the PS3 and the GT franchise is beyond rational.

Sony Fanboys are the worst most ignorant fanboys in gaming.

[Gue1]

Meta Score:

http://www.metacritic.com/s...
1. Xbox: Forza Motorsport (2005) [92]
2. Xbox 360: Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) [90]

vs

http://www.metacritic.com/s...
1. Playstation: Gran Turismo (1998) [96]
2. Playstation: Gran Turismo 2 (1999) [93]
3. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (2001) [95]
4. Playstation 2: Gran Turismo 4 (2005) [89]
5. Playstation 3: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (2008) [80] <--- This one is just a demo
----------------------------- ------------------------------ - ---------

GT5:P vs Forza 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gameplay of GT5:Prologue:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gran Turismo 5 trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gran Turismo 5 will have Rally, Nascar, Drifting and Circuit races with fantastic visuals and lots of cars, plus, everything this article says that Forza 3 will not have... The poor Forza 3 is limited to DVD-9 and crappy visuals. Enjoy your arcade sim while I enjoy the real driving simulator. =D

[Gue1]

Double post? WTF? Nooooooooo my last bubble!!!!

[Insomnia_84]

Seriously man, STFU!!

Every single comment from you is just retarded and lacks knowledge.

STFU

PLEASE!

[Man_of_the_year]

As you can see from the typical Droid response here...the truth hurts. And thanks to Wiimaniac for proving my point that ever since the Forza franchise was established, it has been reviewed higher than any Gt game released in the same time frame...why you ask? because GT had no competition in the past, now they can compare it to Forza and as you can see, forza has yet to be beat by any GT game that is in direct competitor with Forza...Wiimaniac will try and skew the info bring in GT games that came out BEFORE Forza was introduced to make it look like GT has been rated the high game.

Forza (2005) - 92
Grand Turismo 4 (2005) - 90
Grand Turismo HD (2006) - 82

Forza2 (xbox 360) 2007 - 90
Grand Turismo5 P (2008) - 80

www.metacritic.com

As you can see, ever since the GT series actually had competition in the racing Genre, they have been out performed by Forza and reviewed as the lesser of the racing games by the industry.

@Wiimaniac
"The poor Forza 3 is limited to DVD-9 and crappy visuals. Enjoy your arcade sim while I enjoy the real driving simulator. =D"

It would appear the only ones that actually believe that comment are the Sony Fanboys, since the greater industry seems to not share your opinion. And i will listen to them before i ever listen to an biased person like you who doesn't even acknowledge the facts.

[zag]

Sure I can tell you why GT is better than Forza.

GT has always been about simulating how a car handles in real life, a lot of people complain bitterly about the Lic tests in GT, that's because they don't understand how to drive a racing line in real life so try to apply their basic driving skills to something that isn't about basic driving skills but racing skills.

A lot of Euro racing drivers and euro training centres use GT to show skills and practise tracks and lines on and then goto the car and then apply those lines in real life, The times you get on a track in GT you can get in real life on the same track and I mean driving properly not smashing into stuff along the way.

You'll note that I said Euorpe and not USA as there's no real racing scene in the US it's pretty much just Nascar and a few other things going on where as in Europe it has a huge amount of different types of racing going on at all times of the year.

Forza's major problem is that it's never really been about a sim but something on the 360 to just complete with GT, where as GT hasn't been about competeing with Forza, But trying to simulate real life so it's competeing with that.

In terms of tuning, GT has always had car parts, this is because you can only change car parts in real life (tuning is something comletely different) changing parts on a car will either increase or decrase the overall power of the engine, I've not seen what the tuning is in Forza but from your reply I get the impression it's done via numbers which wouldn't be correct tuning of a car.

Wheather means nothing as you can't do anything about wheather but simply deal with it.

[-MD-]

So the latest GT game scored lower out of all other actual GT games and all Forza games? Not looking too good.

[gdguide]

There are things that GT won't be able to touch (paint jobs and customization), and some things Forza 3 won't be able to touch (higher res, more cars, rally). In other words, real racer fans will want and enjoy both.

[Sarcasm]

"(paint jobs and customization)"

Nothing is even known about GT5's features or modes. Not saying that it will have paint jobs, but I'm pretty sure they'll have customization. The other 4 GT's did.

[bigboss911]

I thought this was the driving game of the century/sarcasm....
Honestly thats not what makes me want to buy a game its the actual DRIVING, cant stress that enough. GT has always been the best in that department. Im a hardcore Porsche owner. Eat sleep and breath Porsche. And it always upset me that they were never in Gt. So i seen that Forza 2 had them, and was like FINALLY. Until i started driving around Leguna seca. Thats not how a 911 handles. Sorry but no. Funny thing is that Need for speed has had the 911 nearly perfect. From the sound, weight and handling. Which is kinda disturbing. It great that you love the games, but dont parade around saying its the best when Hot pursuit 2 had better accuracy.

[NateDPG]

LOL no weathersystem and night, so how the hell will be 24h Le Mans? Haha what a farce, only on DVD haha

[ps3gogetitt]

Trade-in weather and night racing for full customization... honestly

[i_am_interested]

its ok people, im sure turn 10 wont let their highly touted research based weather/tire physics go to waste, im certain theyll have weather in their next game

[Etseix]

lol, and they said GT are not showing anything new, well at least GT has this modes lol

they have mroe surprises than i thought

[kalebgray92]

just send letters or e-mails to remedy and turn 10 and ask them to add another disk lmao.... this is ridiculous i was hoping this would have held me over until gt5 came out but i guess i wont truly a waste of money .... might as well get the new need for speed shift its literally the same thing.... i expect quality which forza has and quantity which forza does not have....gt5 has both

btw gt psp win l

[PirateThom]

Disc space isn't the issue here or Alan Wake.

I doubt night races and rally would require an extra disc, but it takes programming skill and talent to make the cars behave differently and realistically on dirt and snow and lighting effects are always different at night and, again, that takes programming know how and, maybe, Turn 10 ran out of time or just don't have the ability to match Polyphony Digital.

Alan Wake's change is a design point, not a technical point. The game is story driven, so it makes sense to reduce the player's ability to disappear elsewhere, it interupts flow.

[kalebgray92]

i just really think that they shouldn't boast about being the best racing sim out there and all you have is 400 cars (or however many) and just tracks.... i guess im not a racing sim fan because of the fact that it is repetitive now with gt5 coming out i get 3 games in 1 even if the nascar and rally racing modes aren't the best at least they will keep my interest

[LCF]

I disagree with you Mr. Alan Wake could of been that unique game combining horror/thriller with sandbox elements. Remedy just dont have the tech on the X360 to work with. I had more faith in Remedy then some people here to make the game they wanted, however they learned the tech was just not there for them. Some games this gen are getting bigger and will continue to get bigger. Remedy made that statement to save face.

As far with Forza 3 this is a tech issue as well. Coding for night races also takes up space. Just the light source at night alone has to be even more refined. People dont seem to understand that the X360 triple core CPU is slow and that the GPU is still governed by the CPU. Their ambitions lead this game on two DVDs and the tech still wont allow weather effects. Who knows they might just fill the 2nd disc to capacity and add the effects. All I know is that Karma bit them in the ass for insulting the competition.

This is what happens when you use last gen tech for "next" generation software. No one is to blame but Microsoft, they were not thinking ahead for their gamers. Just the quick buck.

[zok310]

GT had all the above missing features of F3 since GT3 or 2, now one gen later and the almighty definitive driving game can't have or handle night and rain driving?????????? lol!!! I don't think this is true, this article must be fake...... I mean seriously. GT3 on the PS2 had both rain and night races combined on some of the rally tracks.

[TKCMuzzer]

Is not all this arguing pointless. We know nothing about GT5 as most of the features have not been announced, so lets leave it until they give us some info. I have played Forza on my 360 and in my opinion it was not as good as GT3 on my PS2, graphically yes, game play no. I don't care about all the crap i just want to race as many varied cars and styles as possible. Oh and eight cars sucks, just like six did in the old GT's.

[rawd]

Pushing 1985 technology to the limits

[-MD-]

Says Mac guy.

[Nelson M]

Is in a Purple Eyeliner Mood Today

[-MD-]

Nelsongoth

Recycles the same tired joke in every thread.

[tha_meat_beater]

poly.d makes turn 10 eat dik in reverse anatomical order!

[Gue1]

GT5:P vs Forza 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gameplay of GT5:Prologue:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gran Turismo 5 trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Gran Turismo 5 will have Rally, Nascar, Drifting and Circuit races with fantastic visuals and lots of cars, plus, everything this article says that Forza 3 will not have... The poor Forza 3 is limited to DVD-9 and crappy visuals. Enjoy your arcade sim while I enjoy the real driving simulator. =D

[tehReaper]

Wow, for someone named Wiimaniac, you sure use "crappy visuals" lightly. Think for a second.

[infekt]

Sick videos! The GT5 vs Forza3 video is epic. Polyphony is crazy hot.

[Mexico619]

i was getting exciting for Forza 3 but now i may not get it until it lowers in price because the lack in weather really bothers me, night kinda bothers me because i wanted to race in the Lemans at night, and rally i don't really care for.

[xabmol]

Definitive

[dustgavin]

Let's wait a few more weeks and see what else they have to cut from this game. You can only squeeze so much on two compressed dvds.

[i_am_interested]

theyre not going to cut anything out, theyre just going to keep adding cars with downloadable content

[pppppeach]

LOL how can this be news in any way???

ps3 fanboys crying all over forza 3 AGAIN lol.

Please stop it guys you make your self look like bunch of fools.

We don't need weather, night or rally racing. In fact we only need good tracks and some cool cars. Forza 3 has full damage and that is what most gamers need. When GT5 will be out in 2019 we will also get topic like this telling tings it DOES NOT got?

I lol at you guys.

[i_am_interested]

its good to know that you "lol" at us ps3/gt people cause we lol right back

btw, "dont need" or "cant have?" which is it?

[zok310]

Microsoft is rushing the game to market to compete with GT5, maybe their moles got a hold of GT5 release date, so they are going to try and push F3 out before GT5, heavily market it in hopes that it will takeaway some shine form GT5 when it launches, or at least force Sony to delay GT5 at a later time until the F3 hooray runs out me thinks. Yeah call be crazy but thats MHO.

[Sarcasm]

Not outside of the realm of possibility. Though MS conspiracies used to get old and always comes from fanboys. But looking at the history of certain PS3 exclusives that comes out, it does hold some weight.

Ninja Gaiden II released exactly the same time as I think Resistance 2. And Halo Wars released the same time as Killzone 2.

[pippoppow]

Definitely something MS would do. They most likely could add day/night and weather features but they want to try and lessen the affect GT5 is going to have. MS has used every trick in the book to try and slow down the PS3 this gen. Look at what they did with Killzone 2 by moving a bunch of release dates around it's KZ's release.

[Henry Cain]

Nope not hating I'm just saying the developers that are making Forza 3 have made a lot of bold statements about how inferior GT5 will be and now their game seems to be coming up short. Turn 10 should have kept their comments about GT5 to themselves. Forza 3 on 2 disc and no weather change. This game is going to be revolutionary.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

this and GT5 are going to be amazing games...

multiple discs aren't going to make forza any less of a game!

my 360 will be playing Forza 3 and my 60gig PS3 will be spinning GT5.
Both will be damn good games...

it's actually heartbreaking as a REAL gamer, to see more FANBOYS than ACTUAL GAMERS commenting on this site. Then dictating bubble loss or gain based off YOUR OPINION and how it relates to theirs. Bubble system needs to go!

if more people would stop being fanboys, stop fanboy banter, and play EVERYTHING like a REAL GAMER does... the hobby would be more enjoyable! and you certainly don't miss out on anything, and thats better than being a single console biased... anyday!

[Stoney22]

-Full vehicle engine,drivetrain,gearbox,igni tion,engine block and tires swap.Option to add superchargers,turbochargers or take it out to reduce weight.And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from camber,tire pressure,roll bars,gear ratios,ride height,aerodynamics,springs,da mpers,braking pressure and differentials.

I'm fairly sure GT has had SOME of them features for a while now. I rmember in GT3 you could ad a turbocharger to one of the cars (i forget it's name now) and with a few other tweaks get it from 600bhp to 800bhp. With further tweaks from tires to distribution of car weight you could get a lot of that power down on the track and really get some good speed.

One of your Later posts you do seem o make the comment that because you have played GT5P that you know the game and what it will be like. now i'm not sure if you know this but that really was a really a demo of the game and like demos not really a perfect representation of the final product.
Now i love the Forza series and think their great racing games. However they are miles apart from the quality and realism that the GT series has always been about. Now Forza 3 may be a game to actually challenge the title the GT series currently (and rightly so) has. I personally doubt this but i haven't played the game so can't be sure. Until then when anyone askes for the best driving simulator i would still recommend the GT series.

[GodGinrai]

I own both so ill call it like it is ....forza>GT.simple :)

[rodrz34]

I own both so ill call it like it is ....GT5P>Forza.simple :)

[Kamikaze135]

Both are platformers, but they both focus on different things. Mario has you taking your time while giving you cool power-ups, while Sonic has you rushing through levels, going through loops, while avoiding enemies.

[PStu'rd]

As long as the game actually gets released im fine with it.

[Dacapn]

Lol even as it stumbles across the finish line. This game is just funny to me now. I didn't have anything against this game till the devs started shooting their mouths and the fanboys jumped on the bandwagon.

Customization! We've got so many different weather tires to choose from!!! No weather in the game LMAO. This is just hilarious. Maybe now they'll concentrate on making their games instead of commenting on others.

[PStu'rd]

No dummy, its a stab at GT that will never get released and the above features are now the only thing that it still has felt while being outperformed by F3 in every other way.

''Maybe now they'll concentrate on making their games instead of commenting on others''

Thanks. Bitter comments like this only confirm how badly Turn10 owned Sfags @ E3 and probably made them literally cry just like Greenberg did. Sfags are now so insecure and desperate that are now forced to champion useless features like wheater tire change, a feature GT recieved only at E3 and was before never cared about by the same dumb sony tards.

[nycredude]

Psturd sounds like the only bitter ones here are the xbox 360 (turn 10 and Forza) fanb0ys. Not trying to bash but anyone still think Forza is the definitive racing sim is really, really delusional and totally buying into the BS hype. I find it funny that ps3 fans get ridiculed for hyping games yet it's perfectly fine for xbox fans to do the same. Double-standard much.

That being said the developers should have never opened their mouths about GT5 and should have just concentrated on their own game. Now they have to put up or look retarted, like they are starting to do now with this news.

[josephayal]

FORZA 3 MUST BE VERY VERY VERY BORING

[Blue22]

This wouldn't have been as big of an issue were it not for Turn 10's comments around E3 time. Personally both games look like a lot of fun, Forza has really cool customization options and the auction deal is kind of cool too, though I have a funny feeling those paint jobs are gonna cost some dinero. But that's cool if you really like that kind of thing. Racers aren't my forte, Im more of an arcade racer, but each system is getting a great racing game. But again, Turn 10 invited this argument with their comments, so, you reap what you sow. The games would have been compared anyway, it was inevitable, but not to such a high degree.

[fuzion17c]

had weather effects and night racing! WTF?

[rodrz34]

Forza looks a bit poor in features compared to GT5 now... When you add the plastic look of its cars, I just don't see how it could compete with GT5.

I hope I'm wrong, I'm buying both anyway.

[Lord_Ranos]

lmao lmao. Even the firts gran turismo had night cycle. The second gran turismo had even rally. Xbox is getting sh1ttier every day.

[Deadman64]

Yet it makes more and more money than the PS3 everyday, funny how that works huh?

[rodrz34]

sales sales I play my sales on my 360

[Deadman64]

Hmm...well which company do you think will throw more funds into their next gen console, a company that did awful this gen, or a company that made a profit?

So yeah, sales do affect us, and thus what you play is a related to how well sales are for the console/ a previous installment of a game.

Thanks.

[dustgavin]

Sony has been in the console business far longer than Microsoft. Sony has always supported every system it has released while Microsoft ditched the first xbox after 3-4 years to rush out the half-baked 360.

Enjoy your outdated console.

[Ninjamonkey]

eh???

Surely theyve got extra space on that second disk for some night races???

Honestly after all this talk from Turn 10 Im still hyped for this but Im a little dissapointed, I mean they call it the definitive racer but aginst GT5 it seems lacking in features...

Both should be great though.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

And may I ask, WHY?

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Whats the point of having different tyres for different weathers if there's no weather system lol

The only thing Forza has on GT5 is tyre deformation but then again they've probably been working on it

[tordavis]

This thread is hilarious. Both games are exclusive. What's the point in arguing what's better?

I'll be buying Forza 3 this year and GT5 next year.

Good day!

[Sarcasm]

Well when you're constantly getting brain washed with

"Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! Forza 3 is the definitive racer this generation! "

There's going to be some backlash for missing features.

[PirateThom]

Exactly. They went off on Polyphony Digital, claiming to be the definitive racer of the generation and the torch had been passed, but how has Turn 10 taken the torch when they lack features Gran Turismo has had from the PSOne?

[Poopface the 2nd]

but I am into seeing whiners on here tell everyone how much better GT5 is gonna be than forza. They way I see it is, both are probably the best console racers. Gt 5 may have more features but its taken many, many years to make. Forza has some features that GT wont have too im sure.

Who cares which one is better. Im sure that no one here arguing hasnt already made their decision. The ps3 fanboys are up to their normal tricks, trying to diss anything 360. I find it funny how sooooooo many of you seem to be trying to convince us the worth of a ps3, Like your some kind of ps3 salesboys.

Also I constantly see you using the excuses of "they said this" or "well in 2007 Xbots did this." It funny and sad at the same time. Some people really do get butt hurt over marketing talk and then it takes them YEARS to get over it. Its like how well the ps3 does is directly related to their egos. They must have sad lives to spend so much time hating on something they will never use(360).

[JHUX]

Just like the 360fanboys on here poop? It's not limited to one set of fanboys. Ps3 gets trashed quite a bit by the 360fanboys and there pathetic 20 duplicate accounts.

[likedamaster]

That's too bad...still getting it.

[KingKionic]

Exactly.

This games a must buy.

With all the features from forza 2 updated including customization,auction house its bound to be fun.

Im looking forward to the video editor a lot.

[jBat17]

xbots have no choice. xbots are stuck with the inferior console and inferior "definitive" racing game LOL.. please don't take this personally. just stating the fact that your console of choice suck monkey balls and your taste is awful.

[KingKionic]

Well i can do without those features. Forza 3 already looks like a great game to begin with . Im glad they added the video editor.

It`s going be fun seeing the forza community pull off tricks with the custom paint jobs.

[W S K]

as much as im a Forza fan ( loved part one and still playing FM2 )
but this is in some kind of way pretty dissapointing.
dont get me wrong! i knew that we dont get weather or rally racing ( evryone who thought that was TOO optimistic )
but not having night races.... ON A TRACK LIKE LE MANS?!!! this is plain stupid!!!

i swear to god.... if they dont fix the pitstops this time ill switch back to Gran Turismo!

ok...maybe i sound a little bit angry and im probably overreacting a bit..... but i´m a huge racing fan.... and this all makes no sense to me!

PLEASE!!! TURN 10!!! Dont ruin this game!!! :-(

[360_Rules]

Does GT5 have full damage I doubt it's going to. I don't care about night racing most of the Racing I have ever seen is in the daytime. Rain could had been cool but I don't care about it that much. Rally racing in Dirt 2 is going to be more complete than GT5 rally. One thing GT5 is not going to have is car rollover and that dude that says that is not realistic hasn't seen many racing events then because it does happen.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

There is absolutely no information on GT5 so how can you know it has no car roll over and GT4 had WRC in it and it was excellent and now they're doing NASCAR which is a bonus. Having a night and day cycle is vital for Le'Mans and all 24hour races and it will add to the realism.

and it's already been confirmed that GT5 will have full damage.There's tons of information that the devs haven't even touched on and you're already judging the game.

[boss_killa]

both games are gonna be good. some will prefer one over the other. one game will have features the other doesnt, etc. etc. etc.

ps3 owners will say gt 5 is better. 360 owners will say forza 3 is better. blah blah blah

one thing im wondering about forza 3 is, how come it wont have night races? how hard could it be to have "night races"??. i could see why they wouldnt/couldnt put rally racing or weather effects, but night time??

seems kinda odd.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

This is actually fair,

GT5 has: Weather system
FM3 has: Tyre deformation

O.K! it's all done and dusted.

[Ninver]

What a turd.

[Thoreau]

to watch posters defend a game that is missing features. no weather, no night, no rally? ouch.

[air1]

i only agree with the no rally cause gt5 has it so in that case OUCH! i dont know if gt5 has the other features so i will save those ouches..

[Vx_]

GT1 - night racing
GT2 - Rally
GT3 - weather

lol um not sure wat da prob with Forza just make no sense these are basic features that makes the game live, OUCH!

[HarukoHex]

http://www.gametrailers.com...

GT5 this is how real the game is, also watch at 2:32 you will see how poorly made GT5 really is.

[i_am_interested]

its ok that you have to dig for this, has it been confirmed that this is how GT5 will play?

cause GT5 has already confirmed weather, day/night, and rally racing

[xtremeimport]

how many of you actually know anything about cars to be arguing what is important in a racing sim....*waits for reply*

[HarukoHex]

I actually know a good bit about cars, and GT5 feels nothing like a sim. its kinda sad that the 92 corolla im working on handles better then a enzo. ya know. heck its kinda sad that my 2003 honda civic stock goes 0-60 faster then most of the top end cars in the GT series.

[JHUX]

Sounds to me you don't know much about cars then

[NotSoSilentBob]

I guess their definition of Definitive is just that their own. Rally racing and weather are what racing challenges are about.

[Ninver]

You know i've come to relies that the xbox360 community this gen has very low standards. Seems the battle for them was already lost before it began LMFAO!!!

[NotSoSilentBob]

Its either that or they believe the saying of convincing themselves they are that good.

aka

"if i repeat it enough then it will come true.

[ShadowCK]

Who cares?

[pippoppow]

They are the wanna be hypnotic masters trying to convince people in a lie by stating Forza is the greatest over and over again. We'll see when Forza and GT5 drop which is the better racing sim. I think they really put their foot in their mouths big time. Definitive basicly means thre end all and be all of something which Forza will not be. Well they do have to be first at any cost which is an MS motto. Too funny actually.

[HarukoHex]

just wait for the reviews like last time, forza will yet again beat GT as a sim.

[rodrz34]

Not a chance

[jlemdon]

if this is true then I'm not getting it!!!

[KingEamon]

Why must people argue over games. Can't we both enjoy what we have. People lets end this pointless argument and have a group hug.

[dashang]

all that can be added later

[i_am_interested]

it could be added later

day/night stages - shouldnt be too hard, but

weather effects - if done right, should require a new type of physics engine that has yet to be seen in any forza

rally racing - can't be WRC but can still be rally, would require both new stages, new physics engine, and new cars

[badkolo]

I can deal with no weather but not having night time in the game is sad.
might have to skip this one.

[LiquifiedArt]

Not a fan of Forza's physics. Feels very main-streamy.

[baodeus]

man, a bunch of kids on this site talking about car realistic car physics (GT or Forza), and i'm sure u guys have driven 800 cars before so you know exactly what it feels like. Great....

@Greywulf

Have you play GTR? If you want racing sim, GTR is for ya, not GT. GRR doesn't sell well or popular because real racing sim aren't fun. For alot of things, GT and Forza are someway similar yet they cater to different crowd perhaps. Why not play both before bashing game that you haven't play.

Both games look really good. If you guys have both PS3 and 360, why not get both if you loves cars and racing games, unless you guys own only one console and need to justify your purchase, which i don't think anyone care "oh...yeah, great for you buddy" kinda respond is likely the only thing u ever get anyways. So get over it, grow up, shut up, and play your games.

[spiky1228]

The xbox360 owners can brag how big FORZA3 is and how well it sells while PS3 owners immerse in the realism of GT5.

[level 360]

That's why GranTurismo is King and will always be benchmarked by other race/driving game developers.

Ok?,ok.

It's got WRC a bit of JSGT 350/500, even though I dislike NASCAR it's there for those that are into this sort of trash... also LeMans LMP cars and some concept cars...
... definite damage-mode and weather effects ( with possible physics affected ).

Plus steering wheel hardware compatibility is easier on the wallet to purchase.

[Grandreaper9999]

The steering wheel is where it's at.

I still have the one I used for GT1 and 2 sitting here.. Still feels like any other racing sim to date.

[air1]

so gt5 has more cars, rally and im not sure what else yet. i feol stooped, the way they talked about forza i thought it would kill gt5 but it seems now little by little the truth is coming out less cars, no 1080p, no rally etc. maybe they shouldnt of had talked all that smack and just release the game and let it speak for its self cause now the sony fanatics are just going to chew this game up...

[ArcticWolfUK]

agreed

[HubbaBubba]

then how can you compare this to GT5?

[SpartanZero]

No night time and it is still better than GT. Night time could be DLC when the game releases. I don't care about rally racing or weather. Forza is still the king and has been since 2004. Have a nice day.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Have you been drinking to much of their Kool-aid?

[MriownBOTH]

well ill have still a ton of fun with FORZA 3.

ill still shake my head at gt5p(worst gt game every..should be ashamed) and ill continue to WAIT for gt5....i have been waiting since they first spoke of GT5 when the ps3 was launched.....but yet ill be waiting with all the ignorant ps3 fanboys

[Grandreaper9999]

y'know what? I thought GT4 was the worst one ever. The interface for the main menu made me pretend I didn't purchase it upon release, and I think it even caused me to return it the same week.

Btw, there was no pretending, it actually happened. Now that I remember it, I went back to playing A-Spec right after that hahaha.

[cmrbe]

Definitive car racing game lol!.

[rodrz34]

Turn 10 meant the definitive joke racing game.

[njmzhang]

Wow, Turn10 is the biggest joke I saw recently

[bjornbear]

Still, it doesn't detract from the actual gameplay so, i don't see a problem with it =)

It's stil going to be an awsum game.

[theminority]

Gran Turismo 5 is gonna kicks Forza 3's ass.

[dustgavin]

Yea, it is not going to be pretty at all. Why would you take out weather effects?

[Grandreaper9999]

Maybe they left out night time races because they felt that all that time and effort put into painting your car would be pointless if you couldn't see it?

Wait.. Now that I think about it, does the flashiest paint job affect your finishing position? Yeah..I heard something about that..

Oh man.. Good thing they left out the night time races, I want to show off my championship paint EVERY time I race! Leave out the rain too! It might ruin my paint.

I kid, I kid.. Custom paint really is is a great feature. They'll probably include night-time racing sometime soon. I can't imagine the definitive racing sim missing a feature like that since GT1 had night-time racing (not sure about rain though). They're directly competing with the GT series as well, so I don't think they'll leave it out. I figure it's just a matter of changing the lighting setup in the levels right? Rain however might be a taller order though. Who knows, they might have weather optional as a way to earn extra credits?

[JonnyBigBoss]

All due respect, it might be a great game but this new news is pitiful. No night racing? Hmm, that's acceptable but a small bummer. No weather? Come on, that was invented a decade ago. No rally racing? WOW, now you're talking about a 1-trick pony.

[Arnon]

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[keysy420]

i would never usuallly get racing games but gt 5 look so sick i saw a trailer and i thought let me show it to my kid she thought one (forza wake fake a game3 ) and gt was real

[JHUX]

lol the forza - gt fanboy arguments are always one of the most entertaining to read. I really do enjoy the forza games, but it seems most of the forza fanboys have never played the GT games with there lack of knowledge. Either way both sides are gettin to worked up over this, but it keeps me entertained so Idk why I'm complaining!

EDIT: btw I gotta poke fun at the 360 fanboys since most of them are ignoring sales numbers, which usually to them Sales is the biggest determiner in what makes a good games. And most of these people arguing are fanboys and are hating on one game or the other just due to the fact that it's exclusive (I may find the GT games to be superior, but still love the forza games).

[OmegaSlayer]

If you want real racing buy a PS3 or a PC.
'Nuff said.

[rodrz34]

So true. You can't even connect a logitech G25 wheel on 360.

Forza 3 is the poor man's GT for the poor man's PS3.

[XDF]

Don't care. Day one purchased as always. LOL at all the SDF at a Forza thread....Priceless. Oct 27th date is set baby.

[Ninjamonkey]

Also some people said how this can be DLC'd

Yes night time racing can be but thats just charging us for what should be there, but rally racing and weather???

It would require a whole engine overhaul. And its pretty obvious that Forza 3 is made using the same engine as forza 2 and 1 just upgraded a little to meet current graphical and physics standards.

Thats why they get the games out so quickly, whilst with GT5 theyve really spent time making the best engine possible for their game.

So if theres no weather or rally now, it would be very difficult to add without a lot of time, a high price, and a hefty download.

[Yale]

For those bashing the Forza 3 demo at E3, I would like to mention a few points:

1) The version at E3 was a first build, not a final copy, Turn 10 is polishing the game as we speak.
2) The default settings for racing were to have ALL ASSISTS OFF, meaning that cars aren't going to look like they would in real life. Of course, in the final game, you will be able to turn off all the assists and TURN OFF the rewind feature.

I think GT5 looks beautiful, but I must admit, Forza does look better in terms of replayability because of the community aspect (auction house) and the wide array of cars offered (400 is more than enough, I won't want to be racing 15 different Nissan R33s and 20 different Supras, as the case with GT4).

And believe me, I'm no fanboy of any side.

[rodrz34]

When you polish a turd, it's still a turd.

There's just nothing they can do that would make them compete with GT5 or even GT5P if they don't have features that already were in GT3 (weather, night) or less cars than in GT PSP.

Definitive poor man's racer of old gen ?

[lokiroo420]

Yet another box boy praising non racing aspects of a racing game, lmao!

[Yale]

I don't see how driving assists don't pertain to racing games.

[rodrz34]

@ninja : yeah, it's pretty obvious Forza 3 has basically the same engine as Forza 2.

It's more a competitor to GTA4 and GTA PSP than to GTA5 actually.

[ForROME]

Wow, now when you compare it to GT5 it seems really weak....

[saimcheeda]

GT5>Forza 3!

[Megagamer]

This is the problem with this website. It clearly says in the story that....

"That said, any car is up for grabs. Just because we haven't announced/shown it doesn't mean it won't make it into the game. We're just trickling out info."

Wait for the game to come out, then judge it.

[xtremeimport]

the whole corolla versus enzo thing is still. idk if the rolla is modded at all, but I do know that if you have done suspension upgrades that it can very well have better handling. its front wheel drive and slower, meaning less chance for the rear end to shoot out.

the whole 0-60 thing is also stupid...because i cant say i've had this problem. i'm not saying you're wrong..i just dont see how you can prove this without giving numbers or exact car comparisons.

[boss_killa]

turn 10 said forza 3 would be better than GT 5 yet there's no night time or weather effects? seriously??? like WTF??? those seem like very basic features.

how hard would it be to include night time racing? wouldnt they just have to turn the lighting down or something??... lol

forza 3 fans are gonna get ripped off...