Native Resolution for Star Ocean 4 Speculation

A poster on B3D reports that the XBOX 360 JRPG Star Ocean 4, runs at a native resolution of 900x510, which makes it just above SD resolution. Other also confirm this discovery in the thread.

[HajAminSaniBinJihadi]

Square merged with enix on april fools day...

if that says anything

[Sasanova]

lol 360 showing true power with below SD resolution!
NICE!

[Lucreto]

SD is 480p it is HD but just barely.

[Mr_Bun]

I think SD is 852x480...I am guessing the title should read "below HD..."

[Lucreto]

It is kind of pathetic really when you see WKC running at 1080p

[GWAVE]

Huh. Kinda disappointing.

[burbulla]

PAL SD is 560p

[CrazzyMan]

When i first time saw screens of SO4, i said myself, wow, now that looks like a nextgen game on x360. I was impressed.
http://qsf5.com/wp-content/...
It looked maybe not as good as FFXIII, but it definitely looked like a nextgen jrpg.

That time i thought, that maybe x360 can do a nextgen graphics, like PS3. I really liked SO4 graphics, except that later, when i saw those characters, they looked like a dolls.., but overall, gameplay graphics looked like what i would call a nextgen.

But now, now i get, why the game looked like a nextgen, it`s because it runs just barely above SD resolution. Funny, that God of War 2 also look like a nextgen game, also run in SD resolution, BUT that is PS2...

p.s. now i understand, how Square will make FFXIII to run on x360. =)

[xwabbit]

Hope this isn't true lol...

[kazuma]

new low for next-gen consoles?

[Sasanova]

why do you think ff13 was delayed so long...same reason alan wake is...i dont care what square says, i know they are trying to make something out of the xbox version to make it at least playable no matter how much they have to sacrifice...i wouldnt be suprised if they delayed it cus it could only run at 5x8 reso lol

[MNicholas]

This is obviously a terribly unoptimized engine on perhaps the easiest to optimize platform on the planet. Really poor effort.

[TheTwelve]

I'm not so sure that this has anything to do with Microsoft. This has to do with the piss-poor company that Square-Enix has become. How pathetic.

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[Domenikos]

Compression Time ^^

[eagle21]

3?

[SCThor]

lowering the resolution...expect the same or even worst with FFXIII.

[gameplayer]

510p, if true, is horrible. Just for the record though, the lowest defined HD source is 854x480 interlaced at 30 frames per second labeled as EDTV or 480i. The highest defined SD source is 720x480 interlaced at 30 frames per second. 510p is still horrible though.

[IzKyD1331]

Oh man, if this is Square's attempt at a nex-gen RPG, than I almost don't want to see FF13

[KillaManiac]

1.15 - Now I know how SE make it fit in 3 disks and not in 6..
lowering the resolution...expect the same or even worst with FFXIII.

This is 100% correct.....FFXIII is gunna be ass resolution since they don't want it on 5+ discs...its freaking obvious.

Square Enix has fallen SO much....how must more worse can it get?

[Kushan]

The title for the thread where this comes from is "Image Quality and Framebuffer SPECULATIONS for UNRELEASED Games"

In other words, they're looking at released screenshots, which are not necessarily indicative of the final product. So nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has been confirmed at this point.

I'm on the fence here, it seems absurd for anyone to release a game of this low quality, but with the way Squeenix has gone lately, I really would not be surprised in the slightest.

[Kushan]

It's got absolutely nothing to do with disk space...at all...

Rendering with a smaller internal framebuffer does not save you any kind of disk space. You might be thinking lower resolution textures, but they've got nothing to do with the framebuffer, by the time the scalar chip inside the 360 scales it up to 720p or 1080p for displaying on your TV, the textures would look the the same if you rendered the scene at 720p or 1080p. The benefit from higher resolution framebuffers is "less jaggies", which is also what AA is for.

[thats_just_prime]

LOL the source is a forum this show you just how stupid the ps3fanboy here really are

[sonarus]

Funny thing is this is still the best looking JRPG. All this fanboy pixel counting is lame

[Traveler]

I think Tales of Vesperia and Valkyria Chronicles probably both look better than this game. Just my opinion though, and I haven't played Star Ocean 4.

[Rock Bottom]

I agree with you, I don't think the reason for this was to save space, but still, low resolution can help reduce space, even if not in a direct way, for example, when you reduce the resolution you can get away with less texture details or you can reduce the polygons count and no one would notice, so it kinda do help.

[flanker22]

Yes the battles are rendered low but if you even take a moment to watch battles it would be nearly impossible to maintain a stable frame rate no matter what hardware its on. Too many full screen explosions with several character on the screen simultaneous. outside battles the game is running at a very high resolution.

also those who keep bring up wkc sure it runs 1080 but it looks like absolute ass more like a high resolution ps2 game. every review has said the combat is an absolute blast and bring up the score even with all its other shortcomings.

WKC: http://static4.filefront.co...
SO4: http://image.com.com/gamesp...
SO4 battle: http://xbox360media.ign.com...

[lokiroo420]

Mart come on comment on console capabilities like you were in street fighter, come on show your rat face.

@below
talk about some medicine for the 360 infections, classic!

[Pennywise]

lol see my gamer zone comment. I called them all out. Fools. Its funny with the minuet SF4 comparison and now this comes out. Perfect timing.

[nix]

the news has hit 600 plus deg.. but still can't be seen in the Top Story. way to go mods!

keep up with it.. that is if you wanna go the 1up, gs, g4tv way.

[PoSTedUP]

wow thats like... un-good : P

not that bad if the game is good though. : D

[Pennywise]

LOL - Calling out bladestar, Mart, Foxgod and Jason 360...

All these guys were just talking trash about SF4 being lower rez when you do a special combo, pause the game, get a magnifying glass, put your face 1" from the TV, stand upside down, place your 360 controller on your crotch and make it rumble you will see the PS3 version is inferior.

[hydrog]

The last time i put my 360 controller near my crotch, i contracted the syph... but at least i got off! The ps3 controller made my penis shrivel up and crawl back inside.

[Pennywise]

lol!!! It crawled back inside? Sure its not a vagina? :P

[Johnny Rotten]

and it still took 3 disks to fit the game on. lol

[Omega4]

I guess wont be ported to the PS3 then since you cant get much lower than SD, unless its going to be the first PS3 game to be in FULL black and white

[kazuma]

nice way to spin things LOL

[swiftshot93]

you have to hand it to omega4 though, hes a true-delusional fanboy. Nice try spinning it LMAO

Edit: This game is also on 3 discs? LOOOOOL! Try spinning that one! this is too ironic especially after that SF4 comparison where you had to have both version side by side to see any differences. And you were running your mouth like crazy ROFL

[pwnsause]

says the guy who attempted to make a big deal out the PS3 version of SFIV that it supposibly runs in sub 720p. Seriously, why dont you take a train ride to the open zone? thats where you belong.

Square-Enix has been underperfoming this gen, and they will continue to do so. FFXIII is their only glimmer of Hope right now and look hows that going? the game might get delayed beyond 2010 cause of their stupidity.

[eagle21]

PS3 has games, not shovelware. :)

[Blademask]

Not that resolution matters, nope. That you desperately tried to make this an issue earlier today.. lol..

SO I guess 320 exclusives can't run HD games?

sad sad sad..

isn't WKC higher rated & 1080p?

Bottom line, resolutions don't matter and have nothing to do with gaming. Just hardware capability. Im sure everyone is going to enjoy this regardless of the fact that the 360 cant run it in HD.

[Lucreto]

It be funny if it is true but I doubt it is 510p and there was talk about poor frame rate as well.

Either Tri-ace has lost developing skill or its the 360 hardware but I think it is tri-ace.

Tri-ace engine is buggy and they need to dump it or fix it. All the games released from them on the 360 have frame rate problems. I will be afraid to see their PS3 games it might run like The Orange Box.

[Godmars290]

They made the sacrifice to get it onto 3 discs.

Still sad that its that low rez and still has frame rate issues.

[RUPITY]

Maybe it's in HD on Disc 3.

[ActionBastard]

Bubbles for making me LMAO! Classic dude.

[RUPITY]

lol I think I know why they didn't make it for Ps3 "SD only on Xbox" :P

[Zeus Lee]

Now that's just sad.

[hydrog]

Regardless of what machine they develop for, the fact is Squeenix has been filled with fail for a while now. Time for a new RPG king.

[Gun_Senshi]

Squaresoft is DEAD

[OmarJA]

>:P

[-EvoAnubis-]

I wonder if concessions had to be made given the size limitations of DVD9?

[Covenant]

That's possible...I know that the next Xbox will definitely have to have something bigger than DVD-9. Changing discs doesn't bother me...I did it for FFVII...but there's something to be said for having it all on one disc.

But as I noted below, graphics are secondary to me when it comes to this game.

[-EvoAnubis-]

They should have had something bigger THIS generation. It pisses me off that MS came into this industry and suddenly decided that for the first time ever a bigger storage format wasn't needed going from one generation to the next. Hell, even Nintendo figured that one out.

[LiquifiedArt]

(we all know it will come)
This just lacks that graphical fidelity it should have. I'm extermely dissapointed because I follow the Star Ocean games. UGH!!

[flanker22]

wont happen, the same thread discusses that the SFIV and how graphically its inferior on the ps3. lack of AA 630p on closeups.

the reason SO4 runs low res is because its only in battle, actual game runs at a higher resolution. plus i've heard reports that the battles run at 60fps which people dont even mention.

[Chaoticsoulx]

They aren't allowed to talk about it until the contract with microsoft is up though, which is quarter 3 this year.

[Covenant]

Proof? Cite sources, please.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I call BS until I see proof.

[Counter_ACT]

Covenant, he's taking the piss.

[Covenant]

@Counter: I think you're right.

[Covenant]

Could care less. Seriously.

I'm interested in the story and the gameplay, not the graphics.

[creamydingle]

Could care less. Seriously.

I'm interested in the story and the gameplay, not the graphics.

Its funny how the xbots have changed there tune last year it was all about the graphics now that the ps3 has smashed the 360 in the graphics all the xbots care about story and gameplay lmao.

[Covenant]

Firstly, I'm not a 360 fanboy. I play and respect all three systems. And if you don't believe me, check my posts.

Graphics weren't the reason I played and loved Ocarina of Time, or Ratchet, or Halo, or Quake, or Mario. It was GAMEPLAY. Pure and simple.

Secondly, "xb*ts" is an OPEN ZONE term...take it there. Read your posting rules below if you don't believe me.

[Sarcasm]

Enough with the "Gameplay > Graphics"

You know damn well everyone wants BOTH. Though it's more like 65% gameplay and 35% graphics. But still, an F1 racing champion is 25% car, 25% team, and 50% driver. In order to be complete you must have everything.

Otherwise, if graphics aren't important then everyone should sell their 360's and PS3s and just get a SNES, since that console is one of the best ever created.

[Whoooop]

@ Creamy

Covenant is one of the most unbiased and fair members in this site...

Even if he prefers a certain console, he always gives credit when it's due and criticism when it's also due, no matter the console or game.

/end suck up

;)

[Menchi]

Well, while I agree that's how it should be, it just so happens that this, according to the reviews so far, seems to lack a good story.

Which isn't a surprise. But still, the battle system is supposed to be good. I'm personally expecting this to ship on the PS3 within the year.

Depending on more reviews, will have to see if it's worth the time to invest in it.

[Counter_ACT]

It's below SD for the UK.

[II Necroplasm II]

I really was thinking about trying Star Ocean 4 but ummm...PASS.

[Chaoticsoulx]

Oh wait, it got a 7/10.... i guess, it's a flop... but that's ok

At least you can still play it, and pretend it's a ps2 game, it's graphics look about the same.

[poeo]

ouch... and i was thinking maybe getting an Xbox 360 for this game (after seeing the first screenshots, it looked beautiful)

ohh well maybe next time.

[Sarcasm]

"first screenshots"

They are usually Bullshots. See exhibit "Epic games"

Gears of War bullshot
http://www.streettech.com/s...

Gears of War screenshot
http://media.teamxbox.com/g...

[ELite_Ghost]

LMAO... JUST LMAO!!!!! nextgen?? nope...

[hippo24]

The japs have a hit or miss on the graphics department.

[TheColbertinator]

Please reword it to Japanese not the short version

[hippo24]

No, I played to much COD:WAW and Kiefer Sutherland calls them that, so I must as well.

[Sarcasm]

Yes, "japs" is like saying "Nigg**" Don't use it.

Edit: Bathyj I usually agree with you. But there's a reason why in WW2 they were called "Japs"

Or if you could read the book "Farewell to Manzanar" which I'm studying right now, Japs is an insult used by the guards referring to the japanese people.

It's an insult dude.

[Bathyj]

No, Japs is like saying Chile instead of Chile con carne. Its just an abreviation, not an insult.

Its not derogatory. People are just too damn PC nowadays. You dont hear Aussies and Kiwi's b*tching about that.

I should know, my friends, brothers, roommate has a cousin, who went out with a Jap.

[Menchi]

Go to Japan, and call a native a "Jap"

Depending on whether you're in in a City, or the Countryside, you may very well never be seen again.

It -is- a derogatory term. It still is. Just because it's used quite frequently by a lot of internet goers doesn't change that.

I can't understand why people don't just type jp or JP instead. It even saves you one whole letter.

[Bathyj]

Ok, maybe I'm wrong, the tide is turning against me here and I admit it when I'm wrong.

But I think it also has alot to do with the intent of the person saying it. Hasn't anyone here ever said "Hey heres my N****r" when they see a friend, meaning Heres, my buddy, my pal, my bro. IT DOES NOT mean heres my black slave. Used like that its a term of affection, not malice. We call each other p**fters and f***ots too but that doesn't mean we think our friends are gay, nor do we (I) have anything against gays. Its just normal for some people to talk like that amounst friends from time to time.

Obviously that will upset some people here has its such a shocking word, and I certainly dont say it as often as I say F**k or C**t (I am Aussie after all) but taken in the context of a casual conversation between friends, with no bad intent meant, its not the worst thing in the world. If Samuel L Jackson can say it 4 times in a 20 word sentence whats wrong with emulating someone I admire? I'd rather be called someones n****r in a friendly way than a jerk with real hate behind it.

PS
I'm just talking here, putting ideas out, I'm not racist and please dont anybody get upset over this, cos thats not my intent. And freedom of speech does mean occassionly you will hear talk to find unsavoury or dont agree with, but its still good to talk about I think (even though I can feel my bubbles about to go down. Hope you'se take it the right way.)

EDIT
Let me just clarify cos I feel I'm about to be in trouble soon, I would never use that kind of language around someone who was offended by it. Like I said its about context, my friends dont care but others might, and I know theres a time and a place so please dont get the torches and pitchforks out just yet. Peace to all.

[hippo24]

Why are we debating this, am I going to offend someone with my WW2 era insult...on the internet...and on N4G

I didnt think slang that was discontinued 50 years ago was going to offend anyone, its not like I called them Nips(yea how many of you know what that is).

Also Jap Is only derogatory in the term of use because its synonymous with the abbreviation.

[Obama]

3 disc and it is still 510p.

[dustgavin]

There goes all the Street fighter 4 comments. It is nice and quiet now. All the 360 trolls are desperately thinking of new screen names to bash the PS3.

[silverchode]

the 360 gets all the good rpgs :)

[Death]

Metal Gear is not 1080p native either, it's upscaled like just about any game this gen. True 1080p is a myth when it comes to games. I'd like to smack the guy who coined the phrase "true HD". If this story is true and the game is running 510p native (odd resolution to begin with), it will still be upscaled to the highest resolution your tv can provide.

Too much focus is being made on resolution today which is probably why the Wii is still selling as fast as they can be produced.

-Death

[rhood022]

Except there are at least 6 PS3 titles that run native 1080p.

[hippo24]

Except for almost every PC title that runs on over 1080.

:0
(what am I doing here?)

[Sarcasm]

Except that if you want every PC title to run 1080p you need double the $$$ of a console

[hippo24]

If you want any console you've got to spend those dollar signs.

Add 500 or so dollars to a more recent PC and I think you could get pretty far.

[Black Maverick]

I've never played a Star Ocean game because it had the best graphics. I play them because they are fun games and hopefully, SO4 will be as well. All of this sub HD crap is for the fanboys to froth over. However, I do find it funny how hours ago 360 fanboys were on a moronic parade about the SFIV thing and now it's PS3 fanboys turn to act just as dumb.

I guess Karma's a b*tch? =/

[dustgavin]

you expected a civilized discussion? There is not one topic on this site that does not have at least 1 fanboy comment. It is the nature of the net. Not to mention, it is damn funny!

[rhood022]

graphics are one thing, but this game seems to suffer the same technical problems that other 360 rpgs have suffered--stuttering animation and poor frame rates.

Regardless of how you feel about graphics, in the type of battles SO is known for, those other two are unacceptable.

[dustgavin]

Does that mean that this is also heading to the Ps2?

[Trebius]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

This is my favorite post.
Bubbles to you my good friend.

Hopefully it'll go to PS2. They'll only need 1 more disc! :)

Edit: @Felinepornographer (Great name...lol)

You're right actually I forgot the 360's disc space is actually smaller in that sense...I read it on an article a few days ago. So PS2 version will actually be 1 LESS disc :)

I'm gonna have to break out my dusty PS2 for the SO4 port.

[Dont BE mAdd]

...say what u want..but you cant play it so why does it bother you if its in HD or a SD..i will buy it any way...wanna know why...
CAUSE I CAN..
360>PS3 until PS3 proves itself..and not just with one game(K2)...i need to be able to spend dollars more on great games than what i spent on my system...every1 talks about 09...what about the games that i can buy under 20$ that came out in the past...plz

[dustgavin]

Nice comeback. When all else fails, say graphics don't matter.

Just keep repeating that to yourself.

[nomad117]

Yes also say the ps3 has no games besides KZ2. You know how retarded that statement is.

[rhood022]

Of course it knows how retarded that statement is.

It's almost as retarded as the belief SO 4 won't come to the PS3.

[Dont BE mAdd]

K2 is the only game that stands out..Such as Halo/Gears

@Dustgavin

"Nice comeback. When all else fails, say graphics don't matter.

Just keep repeating that to yourself."

you system failed so u rely on graphics to warrant you costly purchase...sleep with that under your pillow

[JokesOnYou]

Whats going on with dev's these days, 1st we find out SF4 ps3 version has no anti-aliasing, now SO4 is 510p, yeah its minor stuff but daammm its not like either game is pushing a whole lot so whats the deal with these minor discrepencies? 510p...lolz

JOY

vvvvvv yeah but I will take features like 4 player co-op, saved films, forge, and a kickass multiplayer at 640p over a higher rez but less feature 720p version of Halo3 anyday....yeah and Halo3's Live popularity is vindication that Bungie made the right the decision. SF4 and SO4 while being great in their own right still aren't offering any new feature sets that require alot of intensive cpu/gpu horsepower.

[DJ]

Hell, the 360 even has a dedicated processor connected to the GPU strictly for Anti-aliasing. Yet it's only 2x?

2x is decent, but doesn't get rid of Jaggies. Only 4x and higher can do that.

[jetlian]

if they added 4x AA it would look way better then ps3 fans would feel jipped. so its better not to alienate

[Jrome]

People say PS3 can't handle multiplats because SFIV is at sub 720p during the close ups or w/e.

But PS3 exclusives shine with GREAT graphics and true HD.

People say 360 murders PS3 in multiplatforms.

But when it comes to exclusives where 360 should shine.....it pulls out 510p xD!!!! Who remembers halo's 640p xD. Halo was a good game tho :).

Anyway just saying...stop arguing about graphics because it goes both ways.

[mynd]

Explains why it wont be coming to the PS3, they cant get it to run high-res on the 360. No chance on the PS3......

[nomad117]

What do you base your idiotic statement on.

[mynd]

Well the 360 is supposed to be the easier to programme for isn't it?
What chance the devs have of porting to the PS3, if they cant extract enough juice out of the 360?

[Sarcasm]

mynd makes sense if you think about it.

Look at the Last Remnant, a game built on the unreal engine and the engine was essentially supposed to go hand and hand with the 360 hardware. Yet it ran like crap anyway.

I expect 481p for the PS3 version of Last Remnant.

And SO4 PS3 version could be comparable to Pong. I'd even give an edge to Pong in the graphics department.

lol

In all seriousness, there some big time rookies working at Tri-Ace when it comes to "next-gen" hardware.

[NMC2007]

even at that res it looks better than WKC, AMAZING!!! fill me in PS3 fans since you're the only ones in here, does WKC run at 60fps? I am asking since I don't know.

[Godmars290]

Is that somewhere arch-fanboy labwarrior is going utterly nuts over this...

[XDF]

as I cannot find it anywhere on google. Wow, talk about going to great length just to find stupid BS like this to post.

Maybe it is only 510P or maybe not, but the game looks great and fun to play. I just came here to look at the PS3 fanboys reaction and it just made my day. LMFAO

[NMC2007]

aka NeoGAF, it was posted in the official Star Ocean thead there, so maybe.

[flanker22]

THIS IS JUST BATTLE RESOLUTION. if you watch the battle which are 60fps it would be impossible to render smoothly otherwise. in the same thread they're talking about how SF4 is inferior on the ps3 but of course that doesnt get reported.

[FantasyStar]

I found Lost Odyssey had much better presentation and overall quality. SO4 looks like a poor-man's SO3. Hell even the voice acting and poor facial qualities turn me off already. This just adds to it. It's like SO4 didn't even try to be an RPG.

Just compare the cut-scene quality of both LO and SO4 and you'll see my point.

[BigMassacre]

It's obvious that tri-Ace was not ready for these HD consoles.

While I'll probably still enjoy it (when it comes out on PS3...come on guys, inevitable), I just hope Square Enix knows what the hell they are doing with XIII. That game is going to be analyzed like hell.

Come on tri-Ace....I want the guys that gave me Star Ocean, The Second Story back.

[DJ]

http://qsf5.com/wp-content/...

Forget the resolution. The actual graphical content is WEAK. At this point, I don't know what to expect from FFXIII, as the trailer showed a lot of framerate issues during gameplay.

[Gitaroo]

wow, thought SE said 360 is much easier to work with, guess its easier to cut corner with its build in hardware scaler :)

[Death]

I watched the U.S. trailer. Outside the fact it looks kinda cheesy at times I thought it looked good.
http://na.square-enix.com/s...

As far as the advertised resolution goes, it's labeled as 1080p http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g... Even if it's not native, it's still being displayed at 1080p if your tv can accept it.

Being on a modified Infinite Undiscovery engine, I would imagine the graphics quality will be somewhat similar. The developer claims the graphics are better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Bottom line is make your own decision on any game on any platform before being to caught up in the resolution debate.

-Death

[XDF]

Because if it is also on PS3, it will be 480P with no 2xAA, frame rate issues, and mandatory 10 gig install.

[DJ]

That's why Killzone 2 is 720p, with 4x AA, a perfect framerate, and no hard drive installs.

[FantasyStar]

It's not about which console sucks: it's about the idea that this game is shaping up to suckiness and that Tri-Ace aren't very talented-devs in this gen. Which goes to conclude that this game never had any potential to begin with and porting it would further prove Tri-Ace's lack of talent.

If FRD ported Haze to 360: it probably would've been worse. If Silicon Knights ported Too Human to PS3: it probably would've been worse. You dig?

[ArmrdChaos]

5 years development and an entire studio dedicated to that ONE project. Not every game gets that kind of time or attention. KZ2 should do well and I would suggest that PS3 owners show up for it...otherwise Guerrilla could find themselves in Free Radical's shoes.

[Sarcasm]

"5 years development"

3 years 8 months

Killzone E3 2005 trailer released around May.

Killzone 2 development most likely started around that same time frame.

So we'll say it started hmmm Jun 2005, and ending Jan 2009 and now releasing Feb 2009.

So let's get this "5 year" BS out of the way. And not to mention they were working on Killzone Liberation at the same time which released October 31, 2006

[Death]

Development of Killzone 2 most likely started when Killzone went gold. Realistically speaking it's been 4 years and maybe 3-6 months with a team of over 200 people. Work on the PSP version of Killzone was done by a seperate team within the company. It has been stated in interviews that the PSP team joined the rest of the Killzone 2 team when that project was completed.

-Death

[DJ]

It's impossible for Killzone 2 development to have gone into full force without final hardware kits, and those kits weren't finalized until April 2006 (a month after RSX was completed). Killzone 2 is a landmark achievement; plain and simple.

A lot of PS3 games (and even some multiplatform titles) have benefited from Killzone 2's development. The EDGE tools, for example, stemmed from GG's collaboration with other 1st party studios to easily optimize game code. Goes to show how important it is to have a strong network of internal studios.

[Death]

Plan B would be to research it a little and make an informed opinion.

"Killzone wasn't exactly the game we wanted it to be," says Arjan Brussee, development director for the game and another co-founder of the company.

Despite the harsh critical reception, Sony still believed in the franchise and work began almost immediately on a sequel for the game-this time one that would utilize the staggering processing power of the still-in-development Playstation 3.

http://www.dose.ca/games/st...

They have done interviews over the years.

-Death

[CobraKai]

PS3 or 360 I paid for an HD system I want HD graphics. I know there are people out there that don't care or can't tell, but I can and this is unacceptable

[Chaoticsoulx]

Maybe it will go the same way alone in the dark went, it was on 360 first, and the port was wayyy better on the ps3, same for bioshock.

It depends on whether they use the ps3's true power or not, and more and more companies are learning to do it.

[jackdoe]

Shame on Tri-Ace. This is their second game on the 360 so they should have been able to push 720p native.

[thewhoopimen]

Didn't I say Omega4, that you should pick your xboy fanbot fights? Guess karma bit you in the butt this time, but I'll semi-defend you this once.

Too all the guys out there wondering why StarOcean4 is running at Sub-HD (my opin anything below 720p). This isn't because the 360 CAN'T render StarOcean4 at 720p. I am 100% sure it can...but what we have here is a wall that developers have run up into... and that is DISC SPACE. Now for all the xboy fantards out there who said space wasn't issue... well you've just been pwned by your "exclusive". Good day.

[Death]

Much in the same way Konami claims MGS4 is 1080p when in fact it's native resolution is much less. Disc space isn't the only obstacle when determining the resolution. Processing power is also taken into consideration which also reflects on frame rate. Cost is another large factor when determining a games resolution. If the game is still displayed in 1080p, what is the big deal with native resolution? I like pretty graphics, but the overall enjoyment of a game is not determined by graphics alone.

-Death

[DJ]

Resolution and graphics are determined by how hard a game engine can push the hardware it is running on. Also Death, I've never seen Konami claim that MGS4 was 1080p. The back of the box simply shows which output resolutions are supported.

Microsoft and Sony do the same in this case. They inform customers about supported output resolutions, not native resolutions.

[Chaoticsoulx]

But then why not just make it on like 10 disks? so it can be in 720p like final fantasy 13?

[HALE2K]

Ok for all the non educated here it is

SD= a line of Resolution being displayed in 480i meaning the line is Interlaced

HD= a line of resolution being displayed in 480p meaning the line is Progressive

However 1080i is equal to 720p if you have TV to display multiple Resolutions.

HALE2K...

[FantasyStar]

What?

By the ATSC standards, "HD" starts at 720p: not 480p (480p is ED). 1080i is still being outputted at 1920x1080. Except the TV is downscaling the source. So 720p and 1080i would look the same by the human eye on a 32" TV set. However there's also the very distinct difference in refresh rates and methods of rendering, which can affect games that require a fast refresh rate like fighters. Interlaced might cause screen-tearing and moments of ghosting: depending on the game: which is why 720p is mostly preferred for those cases.

[Sarcasm]

For someone who tells other people to learn about True Resolution, he doesn't know anything about it.

1080i is still 1920x1080 but interlaced.
720p is NOT equal to 1080i. People just think 720p is better because it's progressive which is a better match for games.

And anybody who wants to dispute, just check out Pirates of the Caribbean 3 on Blu-Ray, which is native 1080i. Then watch a 720p video and gauranteed Pirates will still look clear. To the untrained, 1080i looks just as good as 1080p, except in fast motion scenes.

[Death]

standard definition is 480i or 576i.

EDTV is a tv capable of receiveing a HDTV signal, but downconverts it to 480p. (852x480)

HDTV is any tv that is capable of displaying 540p (old school res), 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

720p has 1280x720 pixels
1080i/p both have 1920x1080 pixels available.

The differance between an interlaced signal and a progressive signal is not in the details, it's in the amount of passes it takes to achieve that resolution. 1080i and 1080p are essentially identical with 1080i taking a frame rate hit since it takes multiple passes to accomplish it.

-Death

[anubis12]

sony sausage fest on a 360......

[squallsoft]

...Flaimbait. Who cares what the native resolution is. And before everyone starts calling me an XBOT, just let it be known that I do not own a 360.

-Squall

[jackdoe]

About as flamebait as that other SFIV Native Resolution article. Doesn't stop them from getting passed. The wonder of N4G!

[Why dis]

I'm glad the mods even have a standard when it comes to PS3 fanboy moron fud hurting the credibility of this site.

They won't even allow this BS to make the top story section lol.

It should be removed for the lack of proof and the misinformed understanding of resolution terminology/facts.

I think I'v noticed PS3 fanboys bashing games on the 360 even more when the game is a Japanese type game. Being an old PS exclusive makes the haters act like fools too I guess...

[AbdullaMTR]

the tool

[nix]

yesterday the mods deleted two articles:
1. about the Aaroon saying "360 RROD is behind us".
2. Has the 360 been tapped.

i know i would understand that the latter one was deleted because it voices the same as the one that was posted before. BUT THEN WHY THE HELL HAS PS3 SECTION HAS TWO "NEWS" ABOUT SFIVCOMPARISION.

and the other thing is THIS NEWS HAS ALREADY HIT BEYOND 600deg BUT STILL IS NOT FEATURED IN THE TOP PAGE! and i can understand that it's a "RUMOUR", then why does PS3 has a "rumour: 2.7 update" at top?!!!

[anubis12]

they just have nothing better to do.....fact still is this game is not on the ps3......good old star ocean for the ps2 now a 360 exclusive they are just hurt.....

[silverchode]

seems you have nothing better to do since you're here.

[Chaoticsoulx]

So only anti ps3 articles are considered top news? the exact same article for anti 360 has higher degree's than 2 stories on there, but because it's anti 360 it isn't allowed on top news? pshh, ookkkkk, biased n4g.

[Bladestar]

damn not even rpg games survive the sony leg humpers assaults?

It's a freaken RPG game losers... haven't you recently purchase any PSP or DS RPG game? I'm sure that those of you who did are not after graphics...

What's going to be the next thing that requires 1080P graphics otherwise it sucks? pinball?

If you losers think that gamers looking for a great rpg game story.. will care about your sony leg humper 1080P propaganda you are simply stupid...

You can tell there is something wrong with these pathetic sony leg humpers when a JRPG game resolution article gets more posts than any PS3 game article...

[creamydingle]

Game sucks anyways who cares

[ApocalypseShadow]

but a lot of idiots on this thread just don't make any sense.so,i'm going to enlighten you.

no one gave a f#ck about graphics or resolution until 360 fans tried to rub that crap in fans of ps3 faces.looking for minor texture issues,looking for resolution issues,framerates,etc.

it only made 360 fans feel better about MULTIPLATFORM GAMES when they knew that ps3 was a more powerful system.the ps3 exclusives speak for themselves.ps3 was built and released a year later.so OBVIOUSLY,it would have just that much more under the hood.just like xbox1 had THAT MUCH MORE under the hood than ps2.

so it should have been a got d@mn fricken **DUH**

but 360 fans wouldn't let it go.and just recently are tripping over parts of SF4 on ps3 like it matters.the thing that 360 fans keep bringing up is that sony SUPPOSEDLY said:

"ALL GAMES TO BE 1080P AT 60FPS."

but not one of you have ever pulled a quote from ANY sony exec that said that BS.and with that misinformation and FUD spreading,some of you on the 360 side have gone to try and ANALYZE every single game,especially ps3,to prove the games original resolution.so we,in turn,threw that bull back at you when games like halo3 didn't even hit microsoft's:

"720p is the sweet spot for games."

but the flagship game for 360 can't even hit it itself.

look,both systems can have native 1080p games.both systems can have 60fps games.but what sony has said over and over is that ps3 could SUPPORT 1080p for next gen televisions.because they were coming out.just like next gen tvs were to SUPPORT HDMI for next gen tvs.NOT ALL.just SUPPORT.so ps3 SUPPORTED IT.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps...

but 360 fans took it too far.and to this day,still take it too far.so the only thing sometimes,is to throw it back at you to shut you the F' up.

now,both sides quit it and move on.there's nothing to see here.the game supports upscaling to 1080p.see that word?***SUPPORTS***something sony said along time ago.just SUPPORTING next gen resolutions and connections.

I'M DONE.BACK TO MY SIDE.

apocalypse................

[XDF]

How long did it take you to find all those FACTS that you are claiming.

Just saying because you know it's only been what, 3 years now, and multiplatform games is still running and looking better on X360 ie..latest SF4, Fallout 3, FEAR 2, RE5 the list goes on and on.

[jetlian]

of people on here are reading into this way to much! just becuz a game says 1080p doesn't mean theres more pixel on any given screen. most of ps3 1080p games aren't 1920x1080 theirs 940x 1080.

this game looks better than wkc even with a lower res. Reason this games res is low becuz of the amount of things going on at any given time
http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Traveler]

Sorry, but nothing I have seen from this game is very impressive at all. Plenty of other JPRPs have looked better to me: Lost Odyssey, Folklore, Tales of Vesperia, Eternal Sonata, and Valkyria Chronicles all looked better.

That video you linked to did not show a lot of things going on at once.
Honestly, I can see no reason why the game should look so poor and run at such a low resolution.

Could still be a pretty good game though...

[jetlian]

particule effects mean nothing to you and it real time. ES is turn based. tov is real time but it doesn't have near as much visual flare as SO4. ODY looks good but it to is turn based

[Says you]

That is exclusive to there console I guess the graphics on the XBox 360 is maxed out or it was exaggerated on paper to make you think the Xenon is more powerful then the RSX if it cant handle such a simple 720p and you XBox 360 fans said that Microsoft is right that 720p is the sweet spot but I guess having sub HD is the sweet spot for them!?!

and don't give me that street fighter IV sub hd crap considering they did it with a magnifying glass and didn't prove a thing considering they were both the same game I don't know what that site was talking about considering I looked at them both and they both look the same and plus you can turn on full RGB for the PS3 version! and the only time that it was doing that is by doing a special move sequence!.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Didn't SO4 get bumped up for release? Couldn't they delay and create a better resolution or was this Microsoft's decision to release it early?

[Redphaser]

Well I noticed the gamespot watermark on the pic so I went over there to check out the rest of the screenshots. I honestly have to say he picked the WORST looking screenshot out of them all. Granted most of the combat scenes still seem a bit pixelated, but they don't look half as bad as that particular one. Overall it seems like a good game even though it will take me a while to get used to the character models (they still seem a bit stiff and like they all injected just a little too much botox into their faces, then again that's just me). Chances are I'll pick this one up and I highly doubt it's going to look anywhere near as bad as what people are starting to fear. However, something that struck me was that the localized US version seems to be... toned down in a weird sort of way compared to the Japanese version. Compare the ones with the cg model portraits versus the anime style ones and it seems like there's quite a bit of difference (maybe just bad compression on the newer ones, I dunno)

[Godmars290]

Because its now multiplatform, if it comes in true HD, then that means either alot of 360 discs, a lower quality, or the quality of the PS3 version could be compromised.

Somebody is going to have to lose.

[XDF]

Did you know SO4 will run at 60fps during battle sequences.

I gladly trade 60FPS over some some extra pixels missing.

Last year I get to play the best RPG thus far this generation in LOst Odyssey and now SO4. Thank you Microsoft for supporting RPG fans outside of Japan.

Wahooo. Can't wait for this game, Sony fanboys will have to wait and wait and wait for a descent RPG while I will have this game next week. :P

Along with SF4 and KZ2 of course.

[mastiffchild]

But you miss the real point-in fact most of all this does. Fact is the general quality of jrpgs this gen isn't what it was is it? For whatever reason we're all getting short changed(while they can still seem to do decent jobs on the two handhelds which tells us all something I think as well as how good Persona3 and 4 are on PS2)on BOTH HD consoles, imo.
While you can say you think LO is the best this gen I'd say I probably felt VC was a better experience(personally I also liked the artstyle too)but whatever those two are the exceptions to the rule of mediocrity. SO4 doesn't lok like it's going to be up to the standard of the first two games but more at the level of the third when it should be better than that. TLR was the watermark for me and shows all the flaws that are infecting jrpgs right now both technical and artistic-glitches, stuttering FRs, poor story and a feeling of cheapness.
If they ca n do it ok on the cheaper to develop for consoles it seems to me that prolly not enough time and money is being given to the more intensive HD games and as the budget for them needs to be bigger corners in time and mney are being cut and we suffer the consequences and THEN let them get away with it by arguing about which console is gonna have more damn pixels onscreen? When they get us taking sides like that they can get away with mediocre games all day long and the sooner we all stop the bickering and ask the real questions the sooner we might get both answers and a few good jrpgs.
As we agreed LO and VC were great games(if neither well supported or actually great)so they know basically how to do it without going to FF13 lengths so why should we buy substandard fayre then justify it in fanboy spats and allow them to continue this trend?

[Traveler]

Wow! When there are games out there like Killzone 2 and Gears of War, it's really sad when developers can't even seem to get their games to run at a true HD resolution.

In the end though, I think things like framerate slowdown and screen tearing are more offensive than lower resolutions. I wonder how smoothly this game runs...

With such a low resolution you would hope and expect that it would run buttery smooth, with nary a torn frame in sight. We'll see.

[J@D]

Oh, so its true after all... now where's SF4 PS3 lower resolution articles now with a exclusive running with lower resolution its such a shame really. S-E and Tri-Ace are desperate or more like into a rush mode lately o.O

[smokeymicpot]

This story is from a guy with 2 posts very reliable. Shows how good of a site N4G actually is.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

whats the news on the GAMEPLAY!!!!

if we are going to bicker about RESOLUTION... Im waiting on the nothing but 1080p revolution that was boasted about before this gen of consoles even shipped!!!!

with the Wii being accepted by the masses way more than 360 and PS3, and we know how those graphics look! it's fair to say no matter what resolution 360 or PS3 games are doing, will ALWAYS be better looking than Wii games!

[N4Garbage]

If anyone took the time to download any of the trailers from the Japanese Marketplace you can easily see that this JRPG is one of the best looking out there.

This game may run at 510p native but the 1080p upscale is vibrant and beautiful.

So pretty much this entire post is meaningless.

It should read "How the F*CK can a 510p look so damn good" instead of this useless flamebait.

Forget these haters anyone who is buying or renting the game don't worry your getting one of the best looking JRPGs this gen.

[labwarrior]

Probably they do not know what they are talking about over at B3D, or base their "facts" on some terribly grabbed pics, with amateur equipment (like gamespot and IGN use)

[labwarrior]

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[lelo]

DAMMMM ... the trolls are all here... this thread is popular.

But as usual, most trolls care about graphics, instead of gameplay.

[jaseo]

standard def -

PAL is 720x576 (25Hz)
NTSC is 720x486 (29.97Hz)

I remember when my friend first got his xbox 360. He was saying how good the graphics were on his HD TV. I went around to have a look and I found that the xbox 360 was still set to SD. :)

the point being - a lot of gamers cannot recognise (or even care about) the finer technical details.

[Dark-vash]

That just proves that next gen consoles, even in SD have better looking graphics, compared to last gen consoles!

So who cares if its in 480p, 720p or 1080p ? i just want to play the game...

[militant07]

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[laaakokaracha]

what is everyones problem?

The game looks amazing and it will last me till ffXIII is out.

[mochi]

The article is written at the stage where the question mark is attached. It was exposed ironically that PS3 fanboys are so mad.

[laaakokaracha]

what is everyones problem?

The game looks amazing and it will last me till ffXIII is out.