Ninja Gaiden 2 Frame rate issues in Final Build

CVG Staff have confirmed that the framerate issues in NG2 were found in the final build of the PAL version;

Posted: 26 May 08 2:56 pm
On the CVG Forums:

A user named "Petebrolly" said: According to Teamxbox the slowdown and framerate issues are only in review builds, and the retail builds have sorted this problem.

CVG Staff answered:
"We reviewed off PAL, boxed retail copy. Slowdown very much still there."

[pwnsause]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is made from the same director who stated that his "subordinate" does not know how to make games, a game that was pushed to be at NATIVE 1080p locked at 60fps on the other Console!!!! Karma's a B*** huh Tomonobu Itakagi,
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[n4gzz]

Dude, why are you so happy ?? If NG2 don't interest you, don't play. Don't laugh at others when Haze got 4.0 from IGN. and Vice versa.

Well, I guess i will be saving 60 bucks for god of war 3 to play hack and slash

[bootsielon]

"Don't laugh at others when Haze got 4.0 from IGN. and Vice versa. "

You're acting like anyone cares about Haze.

[pwnsause]

NG2 does interest me, i am going to play it, i just hate arrogant Devs who think everyone else is S**t

[n4gzz]

I did care about Haze. In fact, i had $130 seperated for 2 copy of haze.

[LenHart]

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP

NG ran at 1080P native at 60 fps on PS3 and on x360 it doesnt even run well at 720P

[AngryTypingGuy]

Wow, Haze only got a 56.7% so far on gamerankings.com. I think it may be a timed exclusive, so I was hoping it would do better. The TV commercial for it is very deceiving. Some reviewer gave it a 9 out of 10, so of course they quote that review and act like it's the norm.

As far as NG2 goes, I may get it. The reviews don't say it's the best game in the world, but not every game can be. It is getting solid reviews though, so it should be a good, challenging game.

Some of you Sony girls crack me up at how you laugh at some imperfections in the game. No game will be perfect. What are you going to do if there are glitches or some imperfections in MGS4 or some other big PS3 title? Did you cry when Lair and Haze proved to be duds? If there are a few framerate issues in a game that's not even for your console (though you secretly wish it could be), get over it.

[juuken]

Damage control is...quite hazardous to your health.

[Euphrate]

http://darthno.ytmnd.com/

[pwnsause]

3 games that were overhyped and Mediocre on the 360 Ninja Gaiden 2, RROD Dragon and Flop Odyssey, now both sides are equal
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[LenHart]

Two worlds --x360's OBLIVION killer got 2/10 from GAMESPY

Hour of Victory -x360's COD killer got 2/10 from GAMESPOT

FLOP DRAGON /FLOP ODYSSEY and every XFX ME game flopped/flopped flopped

wartech/vampire rain are actually games that define xFIX ME

NG2 is a mediocre game. Lets FACE IT TARD

@XBXFTL

GT5P runs at 1080p at 60 fps

WIPEOUT HD runs at 1080p at 60 fps

RR7 runs at 1080p at 60 fps

WARDEVIL runs at 1080p at 60 fps

However there are 0 x360 games which run at 1080p NATIVE so not to even mention 60 fps

[xboxftw]

@len/nasim/shmee/tanod

Wow i'm impressed. PS3 running xbox original's 4 year old game port at 1080p at 60fps. I guess that's what ken meant about 1080p @ 120fps oops 60fps on ps3 running ps2 and xbox games.

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@lenturd ^^^^^^

Wow those ps2 looking games sure look nice in hd...NOT.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID GE RACEEEEEEEEEER
I happy with 720p with better textures and lightning then washed out colors and blurry textures of ps3urds games.

[Xi]

kojima is just as arrogant.

[pwnsause]

http://lexownshubbard.ytmnd...

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Wasn't this pp's game of the MILLENIUM only on xBox 360??? ;-D
Never mind!!! ;-D

[Diugu]

Are you insane? Kojima is not arrogant at all.. he is just a perfectionist who is not affraid to say bad things about his OWN games.

And they ALL are better than any game made by Itagaki (and itagaki's games are also pretty good.)

[AngryTypingGuy]

I can't believe the amount of desperation in the posts of some of you retards above. Yeah, some games are flops like Hour of Victory. NG2 isn't even out yet, and it's getting scores in the 7's and 8's so far. Not the best, but not terrible. I wouldn't call it a flop.

One moron said I was doing damage control. Damage control? I acknowledged full well that the article said there were frame rate issues. But a few frame rate issues doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Then some douche said that NG2, Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were flops. I can't speak for Lost Odyssey. I know some people loved Blue Dragon, and others thought it was too childish. I don't like turn-based JRPG's, especially when they're that childish. BD isn't for me. Whatever. Everyone was so hyped over Haze, saying it was going to be a GOTY candidate, and now everyone is bitter and downplaying the fact that it's a true flop. Maybe you should seek counseling, or get a stuffed animal to hug instead of trying to downplay other games that you know will be good. Bitter, pathetic people.

Like I said, not every game is going to get a 9 or above. Let some more reviews come in before you give the final verdict to NG2. It will do pretty well, even if there are a few frame rate issues (which may be patched eventually). It will be a good, challenging game.

[juuken]

ATG, the only desperate person here is you.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Clever comeback, how long did it take you to think of it? Your comments have no substance to them.

A difference between you and me is that I could care less if someone prefers the PS3 over the 360. If someone likes the 360 better, you and all of the other Sony girls lose sleep over it. I know I like to tease Sony fans sometimes, but the reality is that Sony does a great job with their games division. The PS3 is a good, powerful system with an increasing library of great games. But so is the 360, and you can't stand the fact that some people prefer the 360. If MS ever leaves the videogame world, I'll give Sony a try. Who knows, maybe I'll buy a PSP before then.

To acknowledge only the faults of one company but not be willing to admit its successes is a true sign of desperation, my friend.

[juuken]

ATG, why should I be angry that someone chooses a 360? That's their business because it's a waste of MONEY. I would have gotten a 360 if it was an all in one system like the PS3 and MS didn't have a couple of pricks in their company. If you want the game, get it. If you want to defend the 360, then do so. But don't be disappointed if MS loses this console war and they abandon the 360 as well. While it has an excellent library of games, the hardware is NOT exactly reliable and you have to play a guessing game into buying it.

But calm down...you sound like you're about to burst a major blood vessel there.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Juuken, don't worry about me, I'm just fine. No blood vessels bursting here, friend. The 360 is an all in one machine. Sure, no BluRay, but you can download plenty of HD movies. If you want the BluRay though, then you got the right machine.

As far as 360 winning or losing, I've said before that I expect Sony to sell more in the end. With the PS2 selling over 100 mil., they have a large, large fanbase. I just laugh at all of those who think that a system selling more makes it better. Brand recognition has a lot to do with it. I predict that Sony will sell more hardware, while MS sells more software.

You said, "While it has an excellent library of games, the hardware is NOT exactly reliable and you have to play a guessing game into buying it." -- OK, I have to give you credit for admitting that the 360 has an excellent library of games. I didn't think you had it in you. And yes, everyone who is not super-naive knows that there are reliability issues with the 360, the earlier ones in particular. However, they have changed the design and made modifications, and they are coming out with the new chip. With a 3 year warranty on top of that, you can game in confidence.

Since we both agree the 360 has an excellent library of games, maybe now you can realize why so many people prefer it. A system is only as good as its games. I prefer the 360 library and style over its PS3 counterpart. The controller is a big deal for me too. I never liked the PS controller. It's a good controller, but I just never liked the feel of it too much. For the PS3, they did make the L2 and R2 buttons more like actual triggers now instead of a second set of shoulder buttons, so that's an improvement. Bottom line, we all have our preferences, get over it.

[juuken]

But um...why should I have to rely on a warranty for a system? It should be reliable from the beginning. I have a Playstation 1 and it still works until this day.

Yes, we have our preferences. I think you should get over it as well.

[eagle21]

CVG > Teamxbox

Also check out the excellent IGN REVIEW: Ninja Gaiden Sigma, 9.3 (Outstanding)

1080p smooooth 60fps. :)

[LenHart]

thats like XBOXKINGS where MART is an administrator

BTW where is MART aka POG aka JASON3FIX ME

[leeger]

what happened to the most powerful console Itagaki?

[eagle21]

And see the light! :)

[Maverick_]

PR FTL. I haven't heard even one developer ever state the XBox 360 is the more powerful console. It's not, not even close. I've heard around 20 say the PS3 is...and you can see it in the games too.

[PopEmUp]

The Red light?

[GameDev]

stupid xbutts accuse PS3 fans of "falling for the SOny hype" "suckered in by sony's lies yet again" " there goes sony OVERPROMISING and UNDERDELIVERING again"' yada yada yada yada

Now I can tell you that knowing what I know about both consoles since the very beginning and then seeing 360 fanboys spout some of the most RIDICULOUS nonsense in an effort to make their underpowered console seem competitive with the PS3, I KNEW this day was coming where they would all look like the ignorant children they truly are.

School is in session xbots and the first class of the semester is "How not to be a dummy for Microsoft and their lies"

"next gen console" bwahahahahhahahahahhahahah
"ferrari of home entertainment" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA H
"PS3 killer" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO

note to the 360: competing with the PS3 is hazardous to your health.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

i'm more disappointed they didn't fix camera :/

[ISA_Scum]

Yeah, must be the PS3's fault. Development for the camera must have been too difficult, right Shane Kim?

[Condoleezza Rice]

Though I must admit,Slowdown and Frame Rate hiccups,if severe,are going to be another annoying issue.

[Dark_Vendetta]

Somehow I have the feeling MS wanted this to come at the same time as MGS4

[Megaton]

There's no excuse for horrible camera angles this many years after 3D gaming became the norm, especially when it had been the main criticism of the first one (and its 2 remakes).

[LenHart]

I agree with you man. they rushed NG2.

sometimes companies suffer from marketing myopia

eg Heavenly Sword cam out at the same time as HALO3. It did around 400k for its launch week worldwide but it would have done around 800k if released later

same here.

MGS4 has killed the hype for all summer games on any console . It is follish to challenge MGS4 .

MS has themselves to blame

[dan-boy]

it gives 360 gamers a taste of the problems beset a plethora of ps3 titles..

just looking through the first 20 comments. only one honest ps3 owner replys(idontcare is his name), and the rest is just the usual fanboy line-up loving the chance to dish some dirt.....on a game less than 20% of the inital posters will even play. the rest dont even own the system!!

NG is not a game i will be buying anyway.

[SL1M DADDY]

It's funny you say this because as an actual PS3 owner (we know you are not one) I have only really played one game on the PS3 that had a horrible camera and that was Ninja Gaiden Sigma... Sure dose make you wonder where in lies the problem... As for frame rate isues... I have seen a "plethora" of titles on both my PS3 and Xbox 360 that have those issues. Both have plenty of screen tearing too but only one of the console has what we gamers call RROD... Can you guess what console that is?

[DARKKNIGHT]

You can thank MS for the NO hdd option guys, and girl.

arent you guys happy they gave you the no hdd option?

[dan-boy]

can you simplfy your post because i cant seem to get the point? i dont own a ps3 correct. but i will do soon once we complete our move. and anyway, when do you see me attacking the ps3's games or console? feel free to look at my previous comments. i attack the senseless rabid fanboys that dwell on n4g.com. the home of plenty.

as to the camera issue? obviously team ninja cant seem to get that rite....i've never owned a ninja gaiden game so i cant comment because i dont play games like this ie: devil may cry, god of war ninja gaiden. this whole thread is about slow down on a 360 title, and the non 360 owners all jumping on the bandwagon. as i said, they know all about slow-down in plenty of games on that machine!

and can i ask, why you felt the need to bring up rrod??? did i upset you or touch a nerve when i mentioned the amount of games that are noted to suffer from from slow-down and frame rate issues compared to their 360 counterparts??? i think that's why you felt the need to go on the defensive.

just look at the thread and the people who've commented, mostly ps3 owners, and high percentage known fanboys....infact, just look at every 360 thread to see the same people slinging mud at a console and games they will never own. sad really! but n4g is full of saddos

[BeaArthur]

CRIMS0N_W0LF...well then why don't you tell us all how they should fix it. Maybe they can make it 30 feet back from the action? I mean you won't really be able to see any details but at least you will be able to see everything; right? I am so sick of this argument, everyone talks about the camera angle but no one ever offers a suggestion on how to fix it. The camera isn't ideal but get over it, it's really not that bad.

[unbiased]

I even like it kinda. It reminds me of the old SNES days. did anyone here play Super R type?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Anyway I have more of a problem with oage tearing and camera problems.

[Scrooge]

The first NG had really fast action. If that kind of action is slowed down by a framerate issue in NG2 then they have a real problem that can't be overlooked. The fast pase action was the coolest part of the game. Im a multi-plat gamer but Slim Daddy, the rrod problem is a really old insult, you have to put that one to rest.

[SL1M DADDY]

One comment you made that sticks out...

"it gives 360 gamers a taste of the problems beset a plethora of ps3 titles..."

This is fanboy flame bait if I ever heard it. If you don't like fanboys posting then try and keep the flame bait to a minimum. Also, just in saying this and not owning a PS3 makes you a pathetic fanboy yourself so please, try not to come off as some innocent bystander here. Your post reeks of sarcasm against the PS3 and looking through your most recent posts here, you sir are one of the 360 fanboys through and through.

My post was simple, all consoles have frame rate issues and such. If you think that one game is giving 360 owners a taste of what the PS3 has been through then you sir have not played enough games on the 360. Perhaps you should try a few more. I say the first 10 games you pick up to play ont he 360 and of that 10 you will have issues in about 8 of them if not all.

Hit a nerve? Nope, flame bait fanboys like you make me chuckle.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

how did they get the final version already when it just went gold 3 days ago?

[LenHart]

a german mag gave NG2 4/10.

i will be posting the review soon

x360 is finished. get over it

[Montrealien]

In other news, this links to a great positive review of this gem....

GJ fanbots, grow the **ck up...lol

The first few fanboy comments come from people that clearly did not read the Review, just the title, silly fanbots...

[llamaman13]

this is retarded, ng2 grapgix arent that grate, they should have a solid 30fps

[power of Green]

It probably could if it wasn't so fast with so many smart AI's doing all kinds of sh*t at once. You believe this sh*t this pro Sony kid dug up?.

[LenHart]

NG on PS3 runs at 1080p native at 60 fps

NG2 runs at 20fps and 720p on x360

OWNED

[GameDev]

"It probably could if it wasn't so fast with so many smart AI's doing all kinds of sh*t at once. "

please go see

Resistance Fall of Man
Ratchet and Clank:FTOD
Uncharted
Heavenly Sword

just to name a few PS3 titles with
"It probably could if it wasn't so fast with so many smart AI's doing all kinds of sh*t at once. " for a look at how REAL NEXT GEN GAMES are suppose to run.

man sony wasn't kidding when they called it xbox 1.5

[juuken]

...Lollolololololololololololo lollolololololololololol...

[fork_the_lad]

Xboxfamily are liars. They said

"frame rate issues ONLY in review version"

[LenHart]

so what do u expect?

[Gorgon]

"Xboxfamily are liars. They said

"frame rate issues ONLY in review version""

Yes, and OPSM gave Haze 9/10...

[fork_the_lad]

Tell me how they lied about that score

personally i would give it 5/10

But plaese tell me how and why they lied about that score. Or another score?

[Gorgon]

I'm not really comenting about lying per si. What I'm trying to pass through is that 360 sites/mags and PS3 sites/mags will always try to do some damage control, or push their reviews up for their game versions or exclusives, basically defending their fanboy interests.

In this case TEAM XBOX clearly lied. In the Haze case OPSM clearly tried to give an erroneous evaluation of a game that is average at best.

Somewhat different cases, yes, but that amount to basically the same attitude.

[Whoooop]

PS3 is where the smoothness is. NGS is proof of that.

Develop NG2 in the PS3 so it runs like it should..

:)

[eagle21]

Buttery Smooth
Silky Smooth
Consistent 60fps

IGN: 9.3

1080p :)

[PR0NE]

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Smooth butter framerate
Full HD
More balanced
More extras
confirmed.... =P

[felidae]

so you obviously haven't played any of the multiplatform titles on the 360 because they're superior.

EA's skate, PES08, Jericho, Kane & Lynch, The Darkness, Assassins Creed, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Dark Sector, Condemned 2, .. i owned all of them on the PS3 and all of them run better on the 360, it's the sad truth, dude. even GTA IV online runs better than on the PS3 .. this is pi**ing me off.

i can live with some framerate issues in NG2 because i think if this game would be multi, the PS3 version would, once again, be inferior. this is what i experienced with multiplatform games in my time with Sonys "beast".

btw .. can't wait to play this game!

[Kausdt]

NGS is smooth, yeah. But last time I completed it I didn't see neither dismembering with loads of blood nor AI that alter depending on the situation.

[LenHart]

NGS ran at 1080p at 60 fps on PS3.

they left out blood because of the Japanese customers. NGS sold over 100k on PS3 in JAPAN

NG2 is either rushed or held back by technical limitations

[Guwapo77]

You listed the multiplatform games where the XBox 360 was the lead system. I did notice you did not mention Burnout Paradise which was lead on PS3. If you notice when the game is designed for the PS3 it plays very well, but if it's ported, the game suffers. Being a PS3 owner I'd figured you'd know that already.

[felidae]

i listed the games i played on the PS3.

when i'm playing a game i don't care if the game was ported from the 360 or stuff like that. i want a smooth game with a stable online service.

[Mercutio]

I might as well go FANBOY on their ASSES!

FACK YEAH B!TCHES!

YOuactually though this stood a chance against MGS4's WORLD FACKING DOMINATION?!

YOU HEATHENS! CURSED BE YOUR GAMES AND ITAGAKI'S FORNICATING ADULTERATING PEDOPHILE REPTILE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ below:

I was a sensible individual until a some fanboy barred me from posting in the GamerZone and de-bubbled me everytime. Now, if I'm classified and thrown into the fanboy pit. Why shouldn't I act like a fanboy?!

[Montrealien]

wow, this is a submitter?

I`m sure that when you look for news on Gaming, for News for Gamers, you are very objective in your searches...

Edit: At least four people told you to resize the img and you claimed it fixed, way to go fanboy submitter. Way to go...

[Euphrate]

Sons of B1tches, drove the poor guy nuts :(

[Montrealien]

Eh well, life is all about choice, I guess you chose to be an idiot ;D

[Mercutio]

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[Euphrate]

Poor Guy, they drove him nuts.

That's what N4G does to people, he tried so hard, he do de-bubbled and reported for Spam just for delivering MGS4 news. Poor guy :(

[zapass]

XCOXUCKAS are so good at ridiculing themselves... it's delicious.

Itakagi, you made my day, I've been waiting patiently for it and you've delivered your big stinkin pile o'sh!t, BWAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks to heroes like you, m$ has conquered japan, mission accomplished MWAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Ali_The_Brit]

hahahaha enjoy your crappy buggy exlusive xbots!

[Snukadaman]

I will enjoy it.

[Mercutio]

facking!facking!facking!fackin g!facking!
facking!facking!facking!facki ng!facking!
facking!facking!facking!facki ng!facking!facking!

faaaaaaaaak!

[heyheyhey]

intourettes

[n4gzz]

this is pathetic. How can you mess up with AAA proven Title like that.

[LenHart]

MS thought of competiting against MGS4 with NG2 --which is impossible

[OpiZA]

...and the internet explodes

[OOG]

well that sucks then....hopfully they can patch it er something....

Still deffinitely want to play it tho

[boodybandit]

hopefully they can patch it. I didn't even think of that. I am going to wait on more reviews (some say it's just the review copy that is bad and others say it's the retail version) before I decide on purchasing or waiting a bit to see is Team Ninja will fix it.

[yanikins111]

"Err hopefully they can patch it"

Going to remembered as the catchphrase of this generation.

[7h3ultim8p00]

My god this is disappointing. They should have delayed it if they needed to. Oh well, doesn't change the fact that this is an INSTANT BUY for me.

Wait...did I just say DELAY? No, release a patch.

[DarkSniper]

Only PLAYSTATION®3 posesses the power needed to ensure that the Ninja Gaiden engine runs at a silk smooth, 60fps speed. Given that this is an Xbox exclusive, one would think that Ninja Gaiden 2 would have been developed to harness Xbox 360's full power. But in hindsight, the full power of Xbox 360 is laughable and embarassing at best.

$niper

[name]

http://img.photobucket.com/...

[ISA_Scum]

Haha, fun times!

[DiabloRising]

http://img.photobucket.com/...

[Ghoul]

hahahaha

[boodybandit]

that was excellent.
Thanks for the chuckle.
This article/thread needed it.

[clintos59]

I wouldnt be suprised if his own team got fed up with his bs talking down on there work and made the issues themselves just to get a crack at itagaki for not giving them any credit. See this is what u get for yapping your mouth. U are lucky mr big mouth that I love this series or I wouldnt buy it but next time be humble and give your team credit and maybe they will work as hard as any other devs who deliver amazing games.

[jollygoodchap8]

What I find funny is the overly defensive fanboys.

EX.
Guy A: Damn, I was really looking forward to this. Oh well its still a buy for me :)
Fanchild: Better than your crappy haze and uncharted...METACRITIC!!! *cries*
Guy A: Christ Lechance! Shut up! I'm still buying it! What the hell do those games have to do with anything?

[yanikins111]

I actually had a decent exchange with lechance lately. He seemed normal, well balanced and open to a calm discussion, and he was actually met by a whole bunch of twats yelling "RRODZ!!!!" instead of making sensible points. I gave LeChance bubbles. I actually gave him bubbles. WTF IS HAPPENING!!!!

[power of Green]

Still getting it... it is getting 7's 8's and 9's. Not a flop in my book.

I'm sure this is making PS3 fanboys happy the notion this was exclusive was driving Sony fans mad.

[Whoooop]

Gaming Reporter: POG/Mart, How does it feel to see NG2 receiving mixed reviews???

How does it feel to see that NGS runs are a butter smooth 60fps and at a native 1080p resolution and NG2 can't even run at 30fps and 720p???

Care to comment?...

In other news, We haven't seen a reaction from POG/Mart about the infamous "Bioshock confirmed for PS3" announcement. We will report more on that later on.

This is Fanboy News... Where fanboys get OWNED.

Take it to the studio guys.

[PirateThom]

No, it's just because of the fact multiplatform games on PS3 were getting ripped to shreds for having framerate issues, while this exclusive has framerate drops and needs to be set to 1080i to reduce the framerate drops on the Xbox 360 that is easy to develop for, meanwhile the PS3 game Ninja Gaiden Sigma can only manage a steady 60fps and 1080p.

Do you see why people are ripping this?

[power of Green]

Going to buy the game despite the trolling and PS3 fanboy rejoicing.

[heyheyhey]

POG got owned on so many levels

you can tell by the way he randomly assures people he's going to buy the game instead of answering the questions

[juuken]

PoG, time to take your meds noooooow...

[power of Green]

So says the person using up all his bubbles in every 360 thread I can find. Re-read your last 10 to 20 comments and come back and edit your post.

This guy handing around in 360 threads attacking fans of the game and bashing it senslessly coming in here telling people they need to take meds?. lol

TROLL...

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]"

When people come up with a name describe your behavior I'll use it.

Still buying the game and yes I think Sony fanboys and the media are hammering the game because TI talked lots of sh*t even PS3 fanboys say they're rejoicing due to the fact. lol

I'm not sure what you people wan't from me?, do you wan't me to hate the game?, do you wan't me to not purshase the game now?.
I don't understand your points or the reasons for your attacks. Do you wan't all the 360 fans in this 360 thread you are all trolling in to hate the game and not buy it?.

[juuken]

PoG, why are you so f*ckin' stupid?
I mean literally?
I am not a male. I am a F.E.M.A.L.E. A female who could probably kick your ass in a fighting game if she wished to.

I have a right to comment in a 360 thread if I choose to. At least I say things that are worthwhile instead of pulling things out of my ass.

Stop defending NG2. The game has faults and they should have been fixed in order to advance over the other two versions.

Oh, and I bet you were probably the one who ignored me. That's okay because I honestly don't give a rat's ass who ignores me.

[Vicophine]

I'm not trolling, I'm looking at detailed news about a game I WAS interested in. Knowing that the camera is still fundamentally broken and they couldn't even match NGS's FPS/Res. is not a good sign for gamers in general. When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.

EDIT- That definition pretty much covers every single thing you post on N4G. You should be very well versed at "trolling" by now.

[Montrealien]

Vicophine said..

(I'm not trolling, I'm looking at detailed news about a game I WAS interested in.)

Just so you know, this `detailed` news you speak of is one response to a question in the comments section of a very positive review of the game you where looking forward to. I`m still looking forward to it.

[GameDev]

get ripped mercilessly because butt pirates like this one can't cure that diarreah of the mouth they have about the Ps3.

[Xlll]

"his guy handing around in 360 threads attacking fans of the game and bashing it senslessly coming in here telling people they need to take meds?. lol

TROLL... "

PoG of all people calling someone a troll? HAHAHAHAHAHA! You have lost your freakin mind. Where the comments on the BioShock version for PS3 with Improved visuals? Why does this trash NG2 only run at 20fps? With Sigma running at 60 with 1080p native? Face it there is nothing you can pull out of your a$$ to answer that. The game is flawed and isn't the perfect masterpiece you all went around saying it was going to be. Plus Juuken owned you pretty badly.

[Vicophine]

Itagaki-san, so hows DMC now? Oh thats right...they actually have a good camera, smooth framerate, and a much better story. Sad really, this man should not be allowed to make games anymore, maybe he should join Gamespot as a critic.

[ISA_Scum]

Don't forget he also ripped Heavenly Sword for the button sequences. He deserves this.

[HateBoy]

Please don't compare Heavenly sword to NG, it's just silly.

On topic: Too bad about the framerate, will still buy, but I'll probably resell it after I get bored or something more worthy of my cash comes out.

I'll be waiting for NG2 sigma, ya hear TEAM NINJA?!?!

[joemayo76]

I don't think he was comparing Ninja Gaiden 2 too heavenly sword he just said that Itagaki was also talkin samck about heavenly sword's button sequence.

What he probably meant was that Itagaki should stop talkin down about other developer's work if his own work has problems as well.

That being said i'm sure ninja gaiden 2 is still a fun game :)

[Pika-pie]

Fanboys fight to the bitter end.. Just face it, the game has framerate issues.. Alot of games do!!!!!!!!! Get over it.

Personally I dont mind framerate issues, its frame tearing that spoils the game for me. Totally ruined my Heavenly Sword experiance.

[ISA_Scum]

No, HS did not have significant tearing my friend, I've played and beat that thing 4 or 5 times and it has very, VERY little tearing if at all.

When you hear that in later levels the action in NGII is literally a slideshow, that's a significant issue.

[name]

Alright, completly ignoring how hilarious I think all of this is(seeing alot of xbox people say EXACTLY what PS3 owners said about past games, which those same people laughed at them for) I'll be honest.

The framerate issue didn't sound like that big of a deal in the reviews I've seen. It might get a little annoying, but it's not nearly as bad as I'm sure some people make it out to be. Even though I did find ISA scum's floppity floppity flop comment hilarious. Just because of how harsh it is.

[ISA_Scum]

Oh I'm enjoying this!!!

[games4fun]

let me help explain why this is hilarious,

1st. framerate problems always blamed on ps3 and because of them the game is considered bad/unplayable not worth it and not NG2 has this problem.

2nd. the playstation version of the first ng that was being downplayed runs better

3rd. all the AAA standard crap is coming back because this game isnt AAA by the AAA standard that has been made up by a side i wont mention

4th. KARMA,Ironic,Hilarious,deserve d for all the crap Iturkagi or whatever guy said

5th. all the damage control and reasonings as to why the game is still good is the most ammount of backpeddling i have seen in my life

6th. the hypocracy is evident ign gives a 8.7 to a game with framerate skips,bad camera, and some glitches eg. stuff was detailed to be staying stuck in the air,along with a subpar story next compare that to the harsh reception haze got although a mediocore game it sure did not deserve the 4 and other crappy reviews they gave and finally

7th. all the sh!t people were talking about NG2 being so good and dmc sucks along with gow and how it would compete with mgs4

Edit: i meant for others to understand not you lol :)

[Homicide]

HAHAHAHA! I'm loving every minute of it. I was going to be a 360 for this game. Looks like I won't. It's a disappointment.

[name]

Oh my god I love the open zone.

[DJ]

Ninja Gaiden series is famous for it's insanely fast action, and if the framerate of NG2 can't hold up then it just bogs down the gameplay. Plain and simple.

[HateBoy]

Not more to it than that...

[name]

I dunno which one is more hilarious, this or the haze damage control in the other news articles. The haze articles had their touch because it just seemed like the people still defending haze had absolutely no reason to and yet they were stuck on buying it for some reason just to back up their "AAA EXCLUSIVE!1111" posts from before. Even if you'd have to be blind to not see the game was a generic peice of crap to begin with. I mean we've SEEN gameplay videos, how can you possibly see that and then think "this is gonna ROCK!!!111".

But this article is so hilarious because the xbox people are literally doing a complete 180 in every area. 360 people must have INVENTED the concept of "AAA EXCLUSIVE!!!" by how many times they say it. And this is much worst than haze just because people actually REALLY cared about this game. And I don't even think this game is gonna be bad, it's actually gonna be good. But in order for them to truly ACCEPT that it's good, they're gonna have to sacrifise the logic that has gave them so much fanboy fuel over the years, and thats the entire concept of what a AAA is. And to them a AAA is just games that average a score over 90.

[Ju]

LOL. The difference is, Haze is an unproven franchise, which was over hyped by some without giving it a fair chance. NGS2 was over hyped by that itagaki (I don't even care how this is spelled) guy and a proven franchise. How can they mess this up so badly? TBH, I'm really enjoying this for some people here - and feel bad for the game and its fans.

[DiabloRising]

Well said Name, well said.

[The Wood]

bubble 4 u Name.

i think its safe to say that AAA is nonsense and is not part of what gaming and being a gamer is.

Hate AAA

Love gaming

[UziSuicide]

Your paragraph is a little off, your assuming there isn't something called a demo (or at least neglecting that fact). I'd watched a few vids prior and thought it wouldn't be my thing and didn't look overly special, downloaded the demo and changed my mind due to enjoying the pace and style of the gameplay. In all honesty I think the game was set up to fail judging by the pre release comments (even from PS3 users), just seemed to be the in thing.

It's not a bad game by any means, beats a lot of the FPS's I've played over the last year. Exclusivity has nothing to do with anything.

I actually came in here to say you always notice the threads that bring bad news to a platform are the ones with the most comments, largely because the 'other side' loves an opportunity to rub it in. It's a dumb trend, sooner people focus on their own platforms the better, hope you guys enjoy the game.

[n00bPwner]

Asian devs suck, and so does PS3 and Haze.

[Euphrate]

Ant eater balls

[Vicophine]

So hows that Two Worlds coming? Oh wait...

[wass007]

were u sayin that when Super Mario Bros came out?? looks to me like some1 enjoys sucking on master cheifs pole lmao!!!

[she00win99]

yeah, haze sucks but we'll be playing bioshock in the future anyway...

[Euphrate]

I think it was the fear in him that made him say the things he said about the DMC developers :(

Poor guy, his face hurts too much...xD

AND

People didn't anticipate Haze as much as NG2, people stopped caring about it since february.

[beavis4play]

that would rule.

[jollygoodchap8]

But really, he'll probably just blame the hardware or the rest of his team or something of that nature.

He's never the one at fault /sarcasm

[juuken]

Or chase them around the office with a katana. xD

[ice_prophecy]

Breaking news:

Itagaki (?) has locked his staff and team members in a single room with a katana. He demands that they commit sepuku.

[name]

I find myself agreeing with stupid comments just so people can look at the comment and see the number of agrees. Therefore hurting their opinion of humanity.

[Cusco]

Personally, I wanted this game to come for the PS3 too. But now, who really cares. They did nothing to improve the story, and the gameplay is identical to sigma, only now you have dismemberment. Even if they polish this up and re-release for PS3, I'd have to think twice about buying. DMC4, from what's been said and shown so far, is far superior, not because it's more fun, but because it gets the basics right. A broken game, no matter how good it is, is still broken. I'm sure later NG2 will be patched, but this isn't the next-gen ninja gaiden game fans have been waiting for. Probably still a damn good and fun game though, and a nice addition to the game library for x360 owners, just not the AAA action title they really hoped for.

[aiphanes]

DMC5 might also be PS3 exclusive....

Also God of War 3 will be out next year...and everybody will forget about NG2..

Also next year we might be Heaven Sword 2 on both the PS3 and Xbox 360......but more likely a PS3 exclusive..

[PimpHandHappy]

PS3 Ninja Gaiden Sigma 60FPS 1080p

360 Ninja Gaiden 2 30FPS 720p

360 showing its limits

PS3 showing why its the best

if you want the best Ninja Gaiden game EVER go buy a PS3. You wont even have to spend 60 bucks to get the best version

[STARS]

You're right, Sigma turns out to be the better game, not even made by Itagaki. ROFL! Karma's a b****, and that's what he gets for badmouthing other games/developers. Not to mention, he's no Hideo Kojima, so he should stop acting like it.

[power of Green]

I dissagree. NG2 is more advanced and has much more going on and has better features in it. lol

NG2 is better, bigger, faster and has better animations, better textures, better effects and better AI one reviwers said there was one hundred enemies on screen.

Sigma was good for what it offered.

"360 showing its limits"

"PS3 showing why its the best"

I doubt NG2 could run on PS3 after all Sigma's just a retooled Xbox game. Sure PS3 handled Sigma well but I'm doubtful NG2 would have the same results on PS3 as it does on the 360.
A retooled Xbox game still has last generation mechanics so its not surprizing NG2 is different from Sigma. lol

The fast paced animations and superior group AI isn't even in the same ballpark lol.

If you wan't to compare Console might you should wait for RaceDriver GRID comaparison videos where the dev teams lead on all platforms developing at the same time working close to eachother durring the same period lol.

"PS3 showing why its the best"

Sure it is with every passing Multi platfrom game no matter the lead is proving that everyday ;)

http://www.gametrailers.com...
Sigma who? Sigma what?.

[Vicophine]

Kinda like how Bioshock is going to be right?

EDIT- Your sounding more, and more like Nasim everyday, it's frightening and humorous because that means even less people will take your sh!t seriously. ROFL @ GT video: I see a gorier NG:S, nothing more. As me and my friends like to say to the little kids on COD4/GeOW "Go put your diaper on and go hop in your bed, it'll be all over tomorrow" but in this case, it's all downhill from here.

[Whoooop]

Watch the lowblows Vicophine... POGMART can't take any more beatings.

[Vicophine]

Hah, well thats the whole point. Delusions of grandeur :D bubbles for you in your successful assault.

[juuken]

PoG, you're starting not to make sense anymore...rofl.
I'll go as far to say that you're even worse than LenHart/Nasim/whoever he is these days.

And Sigma is not a retooled version you dumbass. They redrew most of the graphics and added Gamov/Alternator as new bosses, added Rachel as a playable character (and she is badass once you get used to her), and a few new missions.

Plus the framerate was ultra smooth except for a few minor problems.

Idk how Itagaki could say the 360 is a superior console because he must have snorted some strong ass crack when he said that.

[PimpHandHappy]

it will be replaced in under 2 years

Then you will have a xbox720 that still wont match the PS3

I guess Gears of War is THE ONLY game to look 4ward to if you own a PS3 and a 360

better JUMP OUT

[GameDev]

Sony must have been "overpromising and underdelivering" again when they said they have a 10 year console that will compete with xbox3 if it has to. These stupid fanboys have been told OVER AND OVER AND OVER that the 360 IS NOT optimized for gaming while the cell processor was DESGINED SPECIFICALLY for gaming. Yet we get to hear idiots like the Mart and the rest of the xbutts talk about how the "cell sucks for gaming" "belongs doing number crunching in universities" yada yada yada

When I encounter ignorance of such a magnitude at first I shake my head and then just start laughing at them for looking like ignorant fools while all the while thinking they are "pwning" a PS3 fan.

I'll say it once more for all the stubborn little boys out there that still think their 360 is gonna compete with the PS3 in the next two years. A TRADITIONAL PC ARCHITECTURE IS LAST GEN AND WILL NOT AND CANNOT COMPETE WITH A NEXT GEN PROCESSOR LIKE THE CELL>

learn it
live it
sell your RROD machine

[PimpHandHappy]

is King

to bad the 360 cant handle the size and just plain awesomeness of MGS

it cant even handle Ninja Gaiden 2

[PimpHandHappy]

i dont really think its the 360 hardware that failed here. I mean sure it plays a part just because its a pile of sh!t unless you like shooters with that "next-gen" shine

but

They rushed this game out just so MGS wouldnt be the only big game in June. Thats what i really think

The 360 is a fine machine for a very limited gaming audience

[J@D]

That's maybe the reason cuz Itagaki want to put a end on Ninja Gaiden already. He's a xbox fanboy from heart *cough*thanks2themicrosoftmone yocourse*cough* anyway. Maybe if a NGS2 appear all those problem will be fixed for real ^__^

[hotshot127]

i only remember that game being tripple AAA like once(i wont mention who)

but i along with many other n4g members were saying the game looked generic and it would just hold them over until mgs4.

ninja gaiden 2 on the other hand...................

EDIT:but one thing is for sure though...............

PAYBACK........IS A B!TCH ISNT IT! ahahahhahaaha funny because this was the 360's biggest titles next to gears 2. but it shows that even sequels can fall when there to much of the same and have competition.
(im looking at you gears 2)

so it looks like the 360 only has 1 tripple AAA title this year........or so it seems...........

because fable 2 isnt tripple AAA and neither is too human......just look at them. and i doubt fable 2 even releases fable 2 this year. but then again, they like to release things unfinished just to compete(resorts back to ninja gaiden 2)

[Sez]

funny how you want everyone to stop bring up haze. when every sonyfanboy had this game on thier list of EXCLUSIVE games that the ps3 has that will destroye the 360. yet as soon as it get bad reviews. every sonyfanboy never had it on thier list or my favorite. noone expect it to do good. but you have the nevre to come here and try to bash NG2. you got to be kidding. go back to hyping that peice of sh!t called haze. because no matter what NG2 still scored better than haze, plays better than haze, and will sell more copies than haze. and you guys DID HYPE this game as one of sony great 08 lineup.

[Maverick_]

I'm gonna be skipping this one. Didn't want it in the first place. Onward to MGS4!!

[CViper]

Ooo.. looks like I'll skip this one. Framerate issues coupled with Broken camera are unacceptable with NG. It defeats the point. Disappointing.

[yanikins111]

Im gonna make the anti IGN point again. And i agree with you. After buying playing and giving up n NGS because of the incredibly vertical learning curve (tho it was fun)I cant imagine NG with bad camera angles and Chuggy frame rate. The game is built on beautiful, fluid violence, and really is the only reason i could think to play the game, or GOW or DMC4. So these two issues must effect the gameplay significantly. I also think that 3rd person action games like this should have some kind of story to stop them getting bland but i havent experienced NG2 for myself so i wont comment on that but you can read about it.

Haze on the other hand gets ripped apart for having a bad story, ok graphics, some glitching and being to short, yet has been praised by more than a few for havig solid controls, Decent story, good multiplayer, different play styles. Now maybe its just me but If im playing a fps, controls and multiplayer make the game. Cod4 is by no means good looking imo, but damn it is still immersive because the controls respond well and the multiplayer kicks a***.

What im trying to point out is that IGN have docked a FPS HEAVILY for failing at delivering qualities that most other FPS also dont deliver. They have also brushed aside faults in a high paced action adventure game when, It seems to me anyway, they would have a much larger impact on game play than haze' failings.

Not upping or downing either game here. I just f***ing hate the lack of professionalism in the gaming media at he moment.

end rant

[7h3ultim8p00]

This doesn't even make sense. How does a TEAM NINJA game have framerate issues? Of all things?

[J@D]

Maybe the problem was that M$ put those $10 millions of dollars buying the episodic content of GTAIV instead to give that quantity of money to Itagaki to resolve those issues on NG2. Mystery resolve ^__^

J/K.

P.D.
I'm quite into the clown mode today :oP

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

I bet those installs would help

[yanikins111]

You had to go there didn't you....

[JokesOnYou]

I would be the first to admit that I hate framerate problems and bad camera angles...but past Ninja Gaidens have always had issues and it still never ended up hurting the game much, in fact NG was still my favorite action game on the original xbox despite its flaws, hell I'll take a flawed NG over a perfectly smooth running DMC game anyday.

Cant wait for NG2, best fast paced combat action gameplay in the entire genre, and this time......THERE WILL BE BLOOD!

JOY

[PirateThom]

Ninja Gaiden games have always been smooth, camera isues aside, and the fact this one isn't is a first. The fact is, Ninja Gaiden games are the height of challenge and frame rate issues in a game like this can either be slightly annoying or downright gameplay ruining. Hack and slash games that require amazing timing cannot be plagued by framerate drops, be it Heavenly Sword, Devil May Cry, God of War or Ninja Gaiden.

Ninja Gaiden used to pride its self on being silky smooth, whether it's the limitations of the hardware or the limitations of the team or the limitations of time, they've messed up.

It's made worse by the fact Itagaki bad mouthed Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden Sigma which are both smooth as hell, while his game isn't.

[The Wood]

we actually need more games like this

have joy, eff the reviews

[JokesOnYou]

as I said past Ninja Gaiden games had camera issues and a few framerate hiccups but nothing that ruined the experience....I'll take the early reviews word for it that these problems still exist. As a huge Ninja Gaiden fan Iam dissapointed NG2 has these issues but IGN is usually spot on with their reviews and they still rated NG2 a 8.7, which although is lower than the 9 I anticipated its still means its a pretty good game just not as good as it should have been(Haze has like a 59 avg on metacritic=garbage)....either way no Ninja Gaiden fan would pass up the opportunity to play this latest NG game just because they are a little dissapointed that these problems exist....for those sony folks who NOW SUDDENLY won't buy NG2 because of these issues, I just say OK, so what?...it won't make me enjoy the game any less.

JOY

[SkolarVisari]

people need to calm down, yes it sucks that there are franerate issues but I highly doubt they will be on the level of say Mass Effect where it felt like there was a frame drop every ten steps. What team Ninja should have done to deal with the camera is include a targeting button so that the player could still hit offscreen enemies hopefully before they hit the player. Pulling back the camera as in Devil May Cry wouldn't really solve the issue as enemies could and do hit you from offscreen in those games as well. What you really end up doing when you pull the camera back like that is sacrifice detail for very little gain. Ironically in the case of DMC it makes pulling off combos even harder than most of the moves in NG since DMC relies heavily on frame counting which is just that much harder to do with the "smaller" characters you get in games with the camera pulled back in the DMC fashion. (This is all assuming that you are not just mashing buttons or using automatic. If you are going for skill [DMC is a very skilled game just under NG in my opinion.] the camera becomes a far greater annoyance.)

[Kaz Hirai]

Is this PIECE OF CRAP supposed to stop the juggernaut of METAL GEAR SOLID 4???? You STUPID PIGS really do make me laugh!
Sorry, Itagaki, you WORTHLESS PEASANT- you are NOTHING compared to my good friend Kojima-san! In fact, Kojima-san URINATES on your hideous POCK-MARKED face! AAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

18 days until Judgment Day, Nazisoft!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[GameDev]

your flair for word selection and hyperbole make me laugh out loud every single time.

"worthless peasant" = LMAO

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

if this were on PS3 it wouldn't be competition to MGS4, the fact it's on 360... it is indeed competition. I know it won't sell as much as MGS4 but to say it isn't competition is idiocracy. With Sony giving fans a great exclusive next month, MS needed to make their fans happy and NG2 is their answer to their fans. Nothing wrong with that. Haze didn't kill Halo 3 or many other FPS's wether it be on 360 or PS3. But to say it isn't competition in that general market is stupid. Regardless of reviews. Aside from that. Bad camera? whats new in the NG franchise?. Difficulty? yet again, whats new?. Framerate? with as much stuff going on, I've expected it with how much is going on... on screen at a time. Does this justify the FR problems? no, can it become a problem if there's too much? yes, but should it of been expected? yes. You can name drop Sigma all you want, but it's not half as violent or action packed as anything shown from NG2. Also I liked DMC4 but if this game is longer in play time. Im afraid this will already beat it.

This will be a great game next month for 360. I recommend it as Im sure like the previous ones on xbox, it will make you feel like a god when you beat it because of it's difficulty. Which is how God of War makes me feel on my 60gig PS3 (new to the franchise, cause I never owned a PS2). All in all, Im expecting good things from this game aside from reviews. As this series has never let me or it's fans down!

Also most people in here name dropping HS, DMC, and GOW. Have only played Sigma as I gaurantee most of them only own a PS3. You can only truely compare this game to the others in the past series, which truely the only real critc's of this game should be the ones who have ACTUALLY played the regular Xbox instalments of the game.

With all that said... good gaming to all!

[Bellic Jr]

Screw sales. NG2 didnt even score higher than ANY MGS game on the PS2! NG cant compete with MS in terms of sales and or game quality. Dont believe me, see IGN reviews. NG has a small cult following while thr MGS base is pure massive & unfucwitable.

I dont like or dislike NG by any means. Its just not my kind of game because I find ninjas to be corny.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

CORNY?

www.askaninja.com

He means business!

[Millah]

I'm lovin it, how did I completely see this coming? I knew NG2 would be rushed and wouldn't live up to all the smack that Team Ninja was talking after Heavenly Sword. While I love the NG series, I can't help but find this funny.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Agreed.

Also...Devil May Cry 4 was incredible!

I still don't think any action game is half as good as Devil May Cry 3 though...

It's just untouchable for me.

[jonboi24]

I can understand and somewhat forgive camera issues because the first one had them and I was able to work around that and still own anything that came into sight but framerate issues? With a game based on fast past action and well timed attacks and counters frame rate issues can really ruin the gameplay. Seriously, the first one ran and that includes all version from original to Sigma, perfectly smooth at 60fps. Tsk, tsk, tsk....and Itagaki thought Sigma was flawed. I think he hates anything Playstation related. He even trashed the PSP, which last time I checked is doing quite good. He even trashed games like MGS2, FFX, Heavenly Swords and DMC and at least they ran smooth. Seriously there's no doubt that this game will be successful but for this being the last NG you'd expect him to make sure that the camera issue was fixed and that it was running smooth. Maybe if NG2 was delayed they could have fixed some of the bugs and the camera (which hopefully will be fixed via a patch) but with the beast know as MGS4 being released in June Microsoft probably needed a big game to be released so Team Ninja may have rushed this game a little.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

not a legitimate source of information.

[Mc Fadge]

About the last topic, where everyone doubted the credibility of the article stating that frame rate issues were only in the review build? They NEEDED to provide evidence proving it wasn't in the final build, these guys proved it was because they reviewed the retail version. That is a credible source. Sorry about that, better luck arguing next time <3

[juuken]

Nice going Itagaki!
How does it feel to have a rushed game on your hands?
You left the NG series with a whimper and not a bang.
Sucks to be you!

[mistertwoturbo]

As much as I hate Itagaki's Attitude towards everybody else in the gaming industry and making himself look like the king of developers.

You guys are blowing all this a bit out of proportion. It's not like the game crawls at 15 frames per second or anything. All they said is that there's some "slow down" in the heavier parts of the action. To me if it's just a slight dip in the frame rate, it's not gonna ruin the game.

However in contrast I guess people can be disappointed seeing as how the previous NG games had the smooth frame rates.

All in all though, this is the same case as Haze or any other game. Don't judge it until you play it.

[steck67]

I think they should delay this to fix up the problems, not saying the game looks bad right now, but I think it would of achieved a higher score if they fix some stuff.

[aiphanes]

And the frame rate issues are in the final game...

The game could have been great...but now all we Xbox people have to look forward to is Gears of War 2...lets hope they do not screw up GEARS 2!!!

But I will be getting MGS4 next month...and will be happy...at least we know this game will be a 10.0...

[BLuKhaos]

haha man this beautiful!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It's an action game...

It's a VERY FAST action game...

You can't expect Devil May Cry here, people...

[Nile]

haha

[Hoggy1983]

Alot of sites are still giving this game 9/10 with the lowest being 7/10. I think this game, providing you love the demanding nature of it, will still be a definite purchase.

[FreedomReign]

I love my AA games, and these reviewers are becoming more and more like Ebert and Roper.

[Sez]

funny how the sonyfanboy laugh at the reviews on NG2. but forget that haze got the worst score. oh thats right. no one expected haze to do good.(rolls eyes) guess you sonyfanboy need to get at something for the garbage called haze

[LiquifiedArt]

Will be fixed and ready to go before christmas. I'll definetly pick it up. WOOT, oh yea HOME + TROPHIES WOOOOOOT HELL YEA!

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Looks like the transsexual screwed up

[Hellsvacancy]

!!!

[Rhezin]

why don't you shut your loud mouth up, and spare us your criticism on an already proven franchise. HAZE GOT A 4.5 YOU NEED TO SHUT THE F!CK UP NOW.

[OOG]

well I guess we will see in 1 week when the game is released......all they need is a possible patch to fix these issues......not the first game on either system to have a frame issue on release.....hopfully it will be fixed though....and knowing how team ninja is they most likely will be all over this if it is as big of an issue as people are trying to make it out to be