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No HDD in Core 360 a "mistake", says dev

The decision not to include a hard drive as standard with every 360 was a "mistake" by Microsoft, Bourne Conspiracy's lead game designer has told CVG.

The Core and Arcade versions of the Xbox 360 come without hard drives, meaning developers have to make sure their games can work without a HDD to cater for those users. But this restricts their freedoms with hard drive use, Rory McGuire explained.

"In retrospect I wish Microsoft had made the choice to have [mandatory] hard drives like Sony did with the PS3," he said.

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sonarus5897d ago

there is no two ways about it, it simply was a mistake. Msoft is handling it pretty well though. They haven't abandoned the format yet and if they can hold on to the core for the entire lifetime of the xbox 360 i will throw them some heavy salutes.

kevoncox5897d ago

Like people have pointed out. It's not needed to play games.
Online for Burnout is missing but, I believe that the price of admission is more important than selling consoles for a loss.

MS is making money hand over fist this gen and it pisses alot of people off. MS is exactly where they wanted to be. They are going to put aside 1 billion for the reparing of 360's thru it's life time but Until sony is ready to bring the price of the Ps3 down someone, MS is going to be makign atleast 100 on every console

meepmoopmeep5897d ago (Edited 5897d ago )

not needed NOW... but it's a bottleneck for developers and this will show in a couple years. You will see a trend of games requiring an HDD. get back to reality.. the 360 without a standard HDD will suffer this gen until MS forces those without an HDD to get one and everyone will get suckered into buying an way overpriced proprietary HDD.

gamesR4fun5897d ago

ya thats one corner they never should of cut...
that and getting the hardware right.

radzy5897d ago

MAJOR MISTAKE. SHOULD ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO USE IF THEY WANT.
ALSO LOWER THE PRICE OF THE HARD DRIVE. I AM SURE A 20 GIG HARD DRIVE DOESNT COST MORE THAN $20.
MICROSOFT , "YOUR P.R. SUX"

MADGameR5897d ago

Well Microsoft if you want to the core 360s to sell more, add a 5GB HD or something (with DMC4 install its ALREADY full). Oh and roll that price back up $300! If not, they will be posing $100 per 360 core! Awesome MS just AWWESOME! I think they diserve to get screwed honestly. For screwing all 360 owners. (BTW enjoy clicking on the disagree buttons! We know you guys care about a company that does'nt give a crap about you more than yourself!) I am referring to the hardcore MS fans. ''Love a company even after they screw you more than once''=mind control

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mighty_douche5897d ago

Anyone with the slightest understanding of tech or development knew not including a HDD was a huge mistake. Unfortunately its only really started coming to light with games such as Burnout having to drop features altogether.

I guess one of us should of rang M$ a few years back, hell i would of but i was busy ogling PS3 pictures...

kevoncox5897d ago

lol...
Sony fanboys love HDD this gen.
Last gen it was stupid and memory cards were the best thing ever.
Irony.

Odonnus5897d ago (Edited 5897d ago )

Why are you looking at last gen? What you should be looking at is whether or not the consoles are advancing properly. Adding standard HDD to the PS3 was a giant step forward from PS2 in the same way that 360 took a step backwards from xbox. I don't know who you knew that was arguing that memory cards > HDD last gen, but i haven't met anyone that made that claim.

cr33ping_death5897d ago

wow someone resorting to the past to make themselves feel better. how sad. right kevon?

Exhaust5897d ago

Mistakes are always made in the development of consoles. RROD is another example. Lack of universal in game voice chat on PS3 is another. Forturnately for gamers most mistakes can be overcome with time.

MS should change the HDD policy. Eliminate the Arcade and Core models, drastically reduce the price of add on HDD's and allow developers to require HDD for compatibility.

moparful995897d ago

I've seen elsewhere that you claim you are a ps3 owner but you speak more like a 360 fan.. You support everything they do yet your only complaint about the ps3 is the lack of in game xmb functions? What about the fact that the 360 doesnt have hdmi standard, or wifi, what about memory card slots, or the fact that you have to buy 360 branded hard drives... Face it microsoft made alot of mistakes this gen the only thing they did better then sony in my own opinion is the online... Sony's online is good but not as fluid as microsofts... However the fact that you also have to pay for that as well is a deal breaker....

candystop5897d ago

Yes the Wifi would of been nice but the 360 does have memory slots and hdmi is now available for 360! Both consoles have missing features but I do agree that not installing a hdd in every console was a mistake!

LinuxGuru5897d ago

Candystop, he meant PROPRIETARY memory slots.

You can use hard drive, USB flash drives, memory stick duo, memory stick pro duo, compact flash, SD card, etc etc etc on the PS3.

On the 360, you must use certified, licensed microsoft storage devices to hold game data.

VigorousApathy5897d ago

So Kevoncox thinks you're a sony fanboy if you thought an HDD would have been stupid in the PS2, but important for the PS3. Personally I disagree.

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PStriple7035897d ago

no hhd,no built in wireless,no hd drive...all mistakes

Hydrollex5897d ago (Edited 5897d ago )

3RROD !

Everyday I loose my bubbles because I tell the truth :(

Area_515897d ago

M$ biggest mistake of all is BYPASSING QUALITY CONTROL

kevoncox5897d ago

Fanboys like you give gamers a bad name.
Last gen your peloved ps2 had none of these things and you rebuked them in the xbox. Why all the love for standard things this gen?

If sony said so, it must be so.
Sony said I need built in wireless..I need it
Sony said I need a HDD drive, I need it.

MS says I need in game messaging...Lol I don't need that

LeShin5897d ago

But you're calling out someone for being a "fanboy" but in a few posts up you mention "Sony Fanboys" and not Microsoft fanboys ??!!!

Pot.....Kettle.......Black.

Ring a bell?

kevoncox5897d ago

NO I mentioned that because it the Sony fanboys that talk aout no HDD.
It wouldn make sense to talk about MS fanboys arguing about HDD.

All console have their fanboy/ nerds.
If you think I'm one...lol mor epower to you, hoever, I've been gaming befoe Sony or MS even thougt about gaming consoles. Why would I pledge alligence to any 1 console maker? Neither were around when I was a serious gamer! I'll leave it to you 16 yers olds to argue about 4 usb ports vs. 3 usb ports

The Wood5897d ago

its clear what angle your coming from. Im tired of all this negative 360 news too but i was also tired of all the negative ps3 news. Ive not once seen you call out the mart, firstknight, bloodmask. You see when there was more negative ps3 news there were more 360 fboys rearing their heads and now this is not the case their numbers and comments have decreased considerably. Now the ps3 fboys seem louder and some are pissed for all the facts mixed with fud and bullsh*t they had to endure until late last year

Area_515897d ago

That statment was well said.....bubbles for you!!!!

VigorousApathy5897d ago (Edited 5897d ago )

I wonder how it's possible for you to believe the things you say. First the X-Box puts in some technology that isn't needed yet, then they take it out when it is needed. This is not in fact Sony fanboyism, but rather the evolution of video games. X-Box devolved, you seem to be proud of it. I guess you think the PS1 should also have had an HDD.

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pwnsause5897d ago

no crap is was a mistake, the core was launched for it to compete with the PS2, a system that has already sold about 110million consoles to consumers at the time the 360 got launched. just for that they are possibly paying the price now. just look at burnout, not to make it a big deal or anything, but just look, you can not take the full advantage of burnout paradise online if you do not have the HDD.

Odonnus5897d ago

Putting a small hardrive in would've cost microsoft very little

deeznuts5897d ago

MS can fix this problem. Aren't the different SKU's pretty much identical hardware wise as it relates to the HDD?

Open up their HDD proprietary whatever you call it, let people install a HDD instead of charging an arm and a leg (i know you can get it cheaper used/ebay) and it will help alleviate the problem somewhat.

LinuxGuru5897d ago

You know what I did with the 120GB hard drive from my friend's elite after he didn't want it anymore? (DVD drive broke and he didn't want to bother sending it back....pissed him off because I warned him before he bought it)

I took the hard drive out of the casing, formatted it, and put it in my laptop!!

LMAO!

Thank you Micro$oft!

pwnsause5897d ago

I hope this game is good BTW.

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The Bourne Conspiracy Retrospective

TGC: There was a time when games based on movies were actually pretty good, and The Bourne Conspiracy stands out as one of the better attempts.

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ZwVw705d ago

Solid movie licensed game indeed. Its unfortunately another High Moon Studios release (i.e. Transformers & Deadpool) with little hopes of a re-release or remaster happening anytime soon, due to expiring license.

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Six Activision Games I’d Like to See Revived Under Microsoft

As the world reels from the shockwaves of the seismic news that Microsoft is acquiring the proverbial swamp of the video-game landscape, Activision Blizzard King, it only seems natural that our minds should now shift towards what the fallout will be for presumably years if not decades to come.

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MadLad824d ago

Another Prototype would be awesome.

As for Singularity, I don't necessarily need a sequel, I just want to see Raven be able to flex their creative muscle again; not just be relegated to assisting with CoD. A lot of the old guard is still with the company.

That's part of what I'm hoping to see come from this acquisition. Revive teams like Vicarious Visions and Ravem to actually allow them to work on their own new projects again.

Crows90824d ago

As great as that would be the deal wont finalize until end of fiscal year 2023. Until after that date MS wont really have a say as to where resources will be spent. So we wont realistically see anything until perhaps 2026 or later.

LWOGaming823d ago

I think that’s a point that so many people are missing. Things will not change this year or next year at all. Maybe some changes might be apparent in 2024 but 2025/2026 is a good estimate of when things will really start happening. And I don’t think we will see as big a set of changes as some are suggesting.

TallDarknWavy824d ago

Those teams having not worked on anything, the employees find jobs at other companies, they don't just remain unemployed till someone at the publisher decides to revive the team, they need to eat lol

That said, this list of games makes me unexcited for anything outside of CoD that Activision has to offer. All games are in stale genres, like Guitar Hero, Simpsons Hit and Run, these are long surpassed genres that are going to be difficult to revive.

gamer7804824d ago

I want to see new IPs. Not a bunch of forced renovations of old franchises.

Gamer75824d ago

Why not a combination of both

gamer7804824d ago

@gamer75 if it is a combination it has to have my seal of approval. Such as a new Warcraft game or a new Warcraft mmo, or an action game based off the night elves orcs and humans if it’s a new IP. I’ll let you know after I talk with Microsoft

King_Noctis824d ago

Man I’ve been waiting for Protoype since the last one. Protoype could seriously be MS’ answer to Infamous (freaking loved that game as well, hope Sony make a new one soon).

porkChop824d ago

I'd love to see Raven take another crack at Heretic and Hexen.

MadLad823d ago

That's one I see being tossed around a lot to bring back, even if not from Raven themselves.

Put so many hours into those games over the years.

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Knightofelemia824d ago

I'd like to see Activision get the Transformers license again and continue the War and Fall of Cybertron games. the movie games were crap and the game that combined both movie and Fall and War of Cybertron sucked a new Prototype would also be good as well.

jaymacx823d ago

You deserve a 1000 likes haha 😂. It’s a shame High Moon didn’t get to continue making Transformers. If they got a decent budget i think most of us TF fans would be excited.

wolf581823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

Ms bought Activision and everybody dancing for what? For cod? Ms want to atleast earn some money Back from those 70 billion dollars.... The only thing they count on is more gamepass subscribers via Activision cod, diablo and over watch 2 1st Day free at gamepass. If they decide to make them exclusive to xbox they Will lose profit from ps4 and 5 sales. As For a New ip or an existing ip like over watch 3,diablo 5 or anything else like a New transformers Dont you think that developers need at least 3 years to Do something decent?
Anyway my opinion is that ms want to make videogaming Just a subscription a la netflix and that ps5 will beat xboxsx in sales like ps4 beat xbox and xbox one x..... All the money ms spending It Will defentily make more gamepass subscribers as for games we all must wait at least 3 more years... And thats why ps5 will get ahead in sales they have more AAA in the pipeline already plus lets see their answer for gamepass... P. S i Dont support subscriptions from neither company and i didnt buy switch plus for n64. If they give me the option to buy n64 games then yes i Will buy them but i am not paying for a rental.

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rlow1824d ago (Edited 824d ago )

Re-imagining of River Raid and the original adventurer Pitfall. Oh Zork is also a great game.

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Games We Feel That Only We Play

In Games We Feel That Only We Play, Gaming Respawn discuss video games that they feel no one else plays except them.

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NecrumOddBoy2023d ago

Castlevania Lecarde Chronicles 2

http://the-mig-page.wifeo.c...

Just because it's an independent fan-made game doesn't mean it's not the greatest Castlevania title in over a decade. This masterpiece truly deserves to be played, but goes unnoticed 😔

Fist4achin2022d ago

Definitely some overlooked gems there. Shadows of the Damned was one of my top five favorite games from the last generation. Highly recommended just for the humor!

Teflon022022d ago

Gurumin A Monsterous Adventure. To this day I love that game. Like a light hearted more platformer than combat version of Threads of Fate. I don't know a single soul outside me and my brother that knows the game. sad because it's one of my favourite PSP games I played even on Vita alot. Now I play the PC version a bit lol

The_Sage2022d ago

I have Dante's Inferno, but I've never paid any of the others. Too few people have played Ico. Still one of my favorite games. As for a game that no one seems to have heard of but me... Undergarden is great. Hard to describe. Watch a vid and you'll see.