Forza 3 is No Gran Turismo Carbon Copy

gamesR4fun - 64 days 15 hours ago

heck if they could match prologue it b an improvement.

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Bereaver - 64 days 14 hours ago

I don't support school bullies, nor will a support some asshatted company.

Turn10, will never see anything developed by them, sitting in my house.

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gaffyh - 64 days 11 hours ago

It's GRAN Turismo, NOT GRAND, get it right for God's sake!!!

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Maddens Raiders - 64 days 11 hours ago

FAIL

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SL1M DADDY - 64 days 11 hours ago

You're right. Forza 3 is no "Grand Turismo"... Nor is it a carbon copy of Gran Turismo. Heck, if it were half the game GT was it might be appealing to me but as of late, with the trash talk Turn 10 has been pushing, they can take Forza 3 and shove it up their poop shoots.

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Montrealien - 64 days 11 hours ago

lol, GranD Turismo. I tell ya, these Opinion pieces looking for hits with flame bate titles are getting worst be the month. Well it will get the attention of the tiny group of people who just read titles and to flaunt that X Title/console is better the Y Title/console.

If you make editorials aimed strictly at this sad group on N4G, you will notice that in the end they are nothing but trash traffic. Which is normal, since you wrote a Trash article. You know, like the Inquirer of gaming media.

*looks below*

Yeah morgan, and you got the pulse on the sim racing community don't you? Both Forza 3 and GT5 don't make a blip on the radar of the sim racing community. It's night and day....night an day. They play ARCA Sim Racing, GTR 2, GTR EVO/Race 07, iRacing, Live For Speed, rFactor to name a few, most serious sim racers wont even bother with Forza 3 or GT5.

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morganfell - 64 days 11 hours ago

If you notice, Forza 3 has barely amounted to a blip on the radar. It hasn't been hailed by the sim community as the second coming...or third coming for that matter.

Certainly the dev team has hyped the game (more than anyone) as well as some of the core fan base, many out of fear and desperation more than anything else. But the game has not been seen as a racing phenomena. It takes more than a few scores from reviewers to achieve that mark.

Watch the difference from the racing community when GT5 launches. Night and day...night and day.

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TheBest - 64 days 10 hours ago

It's obvious from your constant use of the caps lock button, poor grammar, incoherent sentences and the blatant lies you spew that you are below the age of 16 and have probably never driven a car in real-life, and therefore don't know how a car handles and drives in real-life.

Please, Forza 3 is an ok game, but to say it will match GT5 is idiocy of the highest degree.

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Montrealien - 64 days 10 hours ago

No TheBest, it's his opinion, even if it a little extreme. You may not agree with him, but saying he is an idiot is against the rules of the gamer zone, there is not point in name calling.

I whole heartedly agree that what Forza has offered me in console racing the last few years has easily matched what GT has, and even surpassed in certain aspect. Imho PD kinda dropped the ball since they started this stupid waiting game with GT200/3/a-spec. And this is coming from a guy who actually bought a PS1 for GT1 and I still own my original GT1 and GT2, oh, and I own a car and have a mortgage an will be getting married in 2 months. But in your eyes, that makes me an Idiot because you don't agree with me, gj.

with that said, I cant wait for GT5, I love the Gran Turismo series even though I have become its biggest critic in the last few years.

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Bubbles - 64 days 10 hours ago

it certainly isnt GRAN Turismo

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DropDeadFred - 64 days 10 hours ago

No name calling - ill call you an idiot then ;-)

Gt5 really is going to be benchmark game and the only game thats going to be able to compete/beat it is GT6

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ultimolu - 64 days 10 hours ago

I'm curious. Why is EvilBlackCat in the Gamerzone when most of his comments are flamebait?

On topic: I have no qualms with Turn10 but their attitude is disgusting. They should just focus on their games instead of blindly attacking Polyphony Digital.

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TheBest - 64 days 10 hours ago

I'm sorry, did you want me to treat his "opinion" with respect? No, I will not. Not when he says things like "Don't even try to call your selves 'Racing Simulator Enthusiast' please!" as well as blatant fanboyism with "Forza 3 eclipse ALL Racing games and Racing Simulators Posers in consoles since the days of ATARI PERIOD".

Oh and I called his opinion pure idiocy because it is based on just that. Basic research on current development trends for GT5 will show you how well the series will be progressing with GT5.

I mean, are your really going to go ahead and stand up for this dude? Yeah you do that ...

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Montrealien - 64 days 9 hours ago

no the best, you see, that's where you are wrong. There is no hard line fact tha GT5 is better, just people who prefer one or the other. You think its better, and I respect that. The guy you think I was standing up for thinks Forza is the best racing game since the Atari, I mean, it would be idiotic to take that seriously. But I do stand up for his right to have an opinion. You can argue with it, but there is not need for saying he is an idiot.

I think they are both very comparable and both offer a great console racing sim experience. I mean the online alone in Forza is leaps and bounds ahead of what we have seen in the GT series, then again, the over all look of GT5 blows forza out of the water. Bottom line, they are both great and each offer great experiences for what they are trying to do, whether one is better or not is subjective.

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Xbox Avatars Shoe - 64 days 9 hours ago

You can't be a "copy" if you pale in comparison.

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HolyOrangeCows - 64 days 9 hours ago

I sense another clueless Xbox fan.

Is an article called "Why Gears of War is better than Unchar'D'ed" next?

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DaTruth - 64 days 9 hours ago

Wow, so when the news is positive, this hits the front page; But when the article is the guys at Digital Foundry saying that Forza 3 can't hold a candle to Gran Turismo, it gets buried and disappears from the history of N4G!

I'll try to find the link.

Found it: http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

@Montrealien: There are your hard line facts!

This is a really good read and hardly compares the two games, but is more the type of news that should be on this site!

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O2_Addict - 64 days 8 hours ago

according to Eurogamer's Digital Foundry in their technical analysis. They also said the Forza 3's improvements over Forza 2 are due to cutbacks in other areas (such as number of spectators) as well as better artisitic choices.

So how can anyone argue that it's just a carbon copy of GT games when it doesn't even match up with the 2 year old GT5 Prologue?

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News...

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gaffyh - 64 days 8 hours ago

Finally they fixed the title

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Chubear - 64 days 7 hours ago

Oh please, this isn't no trolling but facts. Go look for yourself, Forza3 is trying to match what GTHD was doing and if you point to canned damage animations in Forza3 as a point to better "sim" then, I'm sorry, but you don't know what the hell a racing sim is supposed to be about.

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cRaZyLeGs 93 - 64 days 6 hours ago

lol Forza Motor sport 3, its Forza Motorsport 3. This guy can't write.

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DaTruth - 64 days 6 hours ago

Doesn't matter if you are a car technician for Subaru, if you are also a mouthpiece fanboy for MS XBOX360.

PD actually have real race drivers show up to test their game and explain to them how the real cars handle! Do you understand now? Forza does not.

Who do you think will have the real driving simulator feeling? You don't bring Mario Andretti to Japan to make a casual game with simulation elements!

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Unending Punishment - 64 days 5 hours ago

Bullsh*t dude. The monitors were I work have nothing but Forza Motorsport 3 wallpapers and the TVs that have Xbox 360 kiosks get used to display Forza Motorsport 3 gameplay.

Magazine spreads and articles have sprung up and numerous accolades have been given to Forza. It's a respected brand, and I've even read about racing teams that have used Forza between races to stay sharp.

Gran Turismo will get the easy pass as it always does, Forza had to really earn its place.

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HDgamer - 64 days 5 hours ago

It has been the only big hardcore racing simulator, it's also funny that it's used by professional racing drivers and die hard fans of the series. Forza 3 may be good and all but it's no GT5 or GT series. Not even superior or better.

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Bob Dole - 64 days 5 hours ago

"The only thing that CAN make GT5 better than Forza is that they give us better simulation than Forza3 BUT 1000 Cars, Nascar, Rally, "Dynamic Weather Effects", Track Editor and PS3GT fan Base & N4GPS3 Fan Base Hyping its not going to give us that. They are just distraction. "The main attractions of GT5 are distractions"

So.... too much variety?

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DocEvil - 64 days 4 hours ago

@1.19 Da Truth

I don't know how you got that from that article?! The first two pages pretty much talk about how much better FM3 is than FM2 in pretty much every concievable way and I must have read a different comparison to the GT series than you...

So here's the highlights from the comparison again:

"Turn 10 clearly does not possess the single-minded focus on technical matters that Polyphony revels in (often to the exclusion of gameplay innovations, or improvements to other important aspects, such as car AI). It's fairly self-evident that the Forza team would dedicate resources into incorporating new features as opposed to further tweaking graphics tech, and in this respect, it often leaves Polyphony to play catch up, as has been the case with the implementation of crash damage for example."

So GT looks better but instead of tweaking graphics Turn 10 leaves polyphony to play catch up on things like gameplay innovations, car AI, and crash damage.

"[GT5 is the] only racing game on either platform that we've played that employs 4x MSAA and hits 60FPS. That's in 720p mode. Switch to 1080p, and you get a 50 per cent resolution boost up to 1280x1080 (expanded outwards to full HD using bilinear scaling) but AA drops to 2x MSAA."

Again Gran Turismo looks better. 1080p is 1920x1080 btw

"GT also manages to process twice the number of cars as Forza, but the grid runs with a rolling start in order to space out the vehicles."

I also didn't realize that the only way to get 16 cars is in a rolling start so as to space them out... this is a point that has been conveniently waxed over in this ongoing discussion.

"In replay mode, the differences in lighting become even more apparent, but the motion blur used by Forza is a cut above Polyphony's implementation, even if other notable effects such as a heat haze approximation are missing."

Again, GT looks better. Forza does has better motion blur though.

"The other major advantage for the Forza engine is the fact that (in-game at least), the game is v-synced and will never tear"

So no screen tears for Forza.

"Despite these technical wins for Turn 10, GT5P emerges as the classier-looking game, the standard bearer in terms of graphical accomplishment"

Again, GT is pretty.

"Turn 10 obviously wants to use those resources elsewhere, be it in implementing features like rewind, or its hugely innovative system in swapping user-generated content"

Again, Forza leads with features and innovation.

"Refining its handling and feedback model is also a hugely important element. GT's handling was once considered unassailable, but Forza feels absolutely wonderful to control."

Forza has better control.

I agree Gran Turismo looks better than Forza but Forza still has great graphics and when you consider that this article seems to think that Forza leads in innnovative gameplay and community features, car AI, crash damage and control then I REALLY don't know how you came to your conclusion about his comparison. Turn 10 seems to be concentrating on making the game PLAY better while Polyphony seems to be concentrating on making the LOOK better.

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O2_Addict - 64 days 4 hours ago

Here's a neat and accurate summary I copied off the thread for that Digital Foundry article I linked to earlier:

The gist of it
Compared to Forza 2

+ Artistic decisions are much improved
+ Lighting is no longer inconsistent
+ Specular maps on roads
+ Better reflection textures

- Less crowds (saves fill-rate and polygons)
- No anisotropic filtering (saves texture processing and bandwidth)

Just like Gears of War 2 the way they got improvements in lighting and textures was by cutting back where they felt people will notice it the least.

Compared with GT5 Prologue?

+ Replay mode has slightly better motion blur
+ V-synced to avoid tearing

- GT5P has far more sophisticated lighting
- GT5P in 720P has 4xMSAA (double of Forza 3)
- GT5P in 1080P mode has 50% higher resolution but still has 2xAA
- GT5P is processing twice as many cars
- GT5P has tons of transparencies like dust-clouds
- GT5P has lots of effects (like heat haze) that Forza 3 simply does not

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Risky_24 - 64 days 4 hours ago

If you don't have an xbox 360 i suggest you revise that statement because if you did you would know there is this little area on the 360 called "inside Xbox" and I'm sure if you were to do a little digging in there you would not have made such a comment.

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DocEvil - 64 days 4 hours ago

It's funny to see pro gt fans simply ignore what they don't want to see. You forgot some things in your list but for you I'll copy and paste the exact phrases back in here for you:

"Turn 10 clearly does not possess the single-minded focus on technical matters that Polyphony revels in (often to the exclusion of gameplay innovations, or improvements to other important aspects, such as car AI). It's fairly self-evident that the Forza team would dedicate resources into incorporating new features as opposed to further tweaking graphics tech, and in this respect, it often leaves Polyphony to play catch up, as has been the case with the implementation of crash damage for example."

"Turn 10 obviously wants to use those resources elsewhere, be it in implementing features like rewind, or its hugely innovative system in swapping user-generated content"

"Refining its handling and feedback model is also a hugely important element. GT's handling was once considered unassailable, but Forza feels absolutely wonderful to control."

So don't forget to add these things you ignored into your list:
Forza
+innovative gameplay features
+innovative community features
+car AI
+crash damage
+control

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fishd - 64 days 3 hours ago

Forza?!
lolz

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DaTruth - 64 days 2 hours ago

Like I said, it is a good read about Forza 3 and Forza 2 comparison. But obviously you didn't read to the end. I suggest you check out the end of page 3. I Never said they didn't praise Forza 3 and my Forza reading doesn't consist of bashing articles. If this was a Forza bashfest, I wouldn't have read it!

And now you know I'm not a GT fanboy, because I read the entire article, unlike you who read half and came back here to say ha ha, and blab on about... well I never actually read what you wrote!

Edit: And I don't recall posting a list! Rewind is not a simulation feature! Rewind doesn't happen in real life. Also less people show up to Forza races...because they reduced the crowd so as the game could function. The Idea was that on a sheer technical graphical and simulation level, GT5 prologue, not GT5 leads the way. Lets save the gameplay and feature comparisons to GT5 until the game actually releases; Kinda difficult to compare features to a demo!

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slayorofgods - 64 days 1 hour ago

Forza 3 aka The not so "Grand" Trismo racing game

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slugboss - 64 days ago

What kind of knowledge would a real race car driver offer besides his moments in the limelight and gradual degradation of the vehicle over time. Now taking notes from only the most amazing moments in racing, could lead to quite the arcadey experience. Also, If I'm not mistaken, Forza has done a much better job limiting the vehicles performance over the course of the race, and has raised the bar with physics like most american developers. Which could lead to a better sim IMO...

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Perkel - 64 days ago

@ cat

the more i read the more i smile...

seriously get a grip fanboy

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sikbeta - 64 days ago

"Not a carbon copy of course", It make it sound so bad, I enjoyed NFS Carbon XD

@EvilBlackCat

You are a Car Technician for Subaru, so why in hell are you playing Forza lol

If someone dare to say forza don't try to copy Gt is more blinded than a bat

the only thing I have to say to prove all the blinds that are wrong

GRAN TURISMO means "Grand Tourer" in Italian

Forza means "strength" or "power" in Italian

Even the language of the tittle's game is copied from Gran Turismo lol

Another thing you have to know, a Complete driving sim is the most boring game ever, Gran Turismo take all the aspects of a Complete Driving sim and put in an Awesome and fun experience, in short GT deliver the best of a sim and save us all the boring stuff

"Forza 3 is No Gran Turismo Carbon Copy" this title is really funny

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Saaking - 63 days 23 hours ago

Of course it's not a copy it doesn't even come close to the epicness and grand scale of GT5

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O2_Addict - 63 days 21 hours ago

Digital Foundry specializes in comparing graphics using what appear to be impartial statements based on a thorough technical analysis.

Comments about game play are purely speculative and subjective. Much of it appears to be nothing more than apolologies and excuses for Forza 3's vastly inferior visuals.

Here's the list you posted and my <comments>:

So don't forget to add these things you ignored into your list:
Forza
+innovative gameplay features <very little that wasn't in the first Forza. Still only 8 cars per race ... when will "Next Gen" begin?>

+innovative community features <Not much new here either. Most of the stuff has been done in previous Forza's or other games>

+car AI <Forza 3's AI is terrible. Park your car on the road and rather than drive around they'll just keep driving into you>

+crash damage <exact same crash model as Forza 1, no real-time deformation, Getaway on the PS2 far better crash damage>

+control <Forza 2's physics were not sim quality and Forza 3's using the same basic code base with a few tweaks. How it compares to GT5 will have to be seen when GT5 comes out>

Here's a great example of Forza's physics. GT5 Prologue has it's bloopers but nothing like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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WonderboyIII - 63 days 18 hours ago

Forza 3 is not GT5 and vice versa. Both are great games that will socre 90+ and Forza already has. Enjoy them Both! The PS3 might produce better visuals but the 360 is no Wii. So gameplay and features is where the differences might be settled for those who are looking for the definitive racer. But you only look for differences with that much seriousness is when you cant or decide not to try the competition. Like fanboys do.

This is competetion and as I say and said before, it will bring us consumers the best products.

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KiLLAxMAHN - 63 days 16 hours ago

Does Forza have this?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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DocEvil - 63 days 15 hours ago

@1.34 da truth
It's classic how guys like you talk AT people and it is very apparent that you haven't read my comment or anybody else's comments or even the bulk of the very article you posted. lol

@1.38 Sikbeta
I guess Ferrari must have time travelled decades into the future to copy terminology from Polyphony Digital because that's how long Ferrari has been using the word Forza! There's even a magazine dedicated to Ferrari cars called Forza Magazine that started publishing in 1997. They must have gotten their name based on future Gran Turismo games too! You guys are awesome!

@1.40 O2_addict
Every game has it's glitches and I'd like to see if you can get Forza to do that again whenever you like. No? Probably a fluke glitch then. However, GT's glitches are easily reproduced over and over and over and over again. You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round round!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Oh geez there's more! Don't forget the wheelie bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Maybe you guys should watch inside sim racing's review of Forza, you know, a review from guys that ONLY review and report on sim racing games which makes their opinion pretty much the ultimate word on the matter. Pay special attention for the word 'benchmark' which they seem to use a lot.
http://www.insidesimracing....

btw if gt is so good, why doesn't it do three screen setups like you can do in Forza and we are talking since Forza 1 back on the xbox some 6 or 7 years ago!!! And why doesn't it have Porsche? I mean what kind of racing game doesn't have cars from one of the most prolific sports car companies of all time, Porsche???

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sikbeta - 63 days 12 hours ago

So ferrari make games now, I didn't notice

This is the worst excuse ever, is obvious that PD thought in the Italians Cars when they called GT, is not like PD named GT because of the cars they put in the game, GT5 is the first game with ferraris and lamborghinis, so is has nothing to do with the lack of inspiration from t10 to use the same language on the tittle as PD

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morganfell - 63 days 11 hours ago

It's hilarious Saaking. Forza only achieved the visibility it did because most of the Turn 10 crew are loud mouth braggart jerks. The majority of articles concerning them were about their making a certain wild claim rather than an actual Forza feature. It is a joke AND a testament to desperation marketing.

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DocEvil - 63 days 7 hours ago

@1.44 sikbeta
Gran Turismo didn't have Ferrari's when Forza Motorsport launched and securing Ferrari licences was a big part of the reason FORZA was used in the title. You kids have no sense of history.

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stewgart - 64 days 11 hours ago

unless of course the gameplay sucks, something which everyone appears to be overlooking when talking about GT5.

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DropDeadFred - 64 days 11 hours ago

Forza 3 IS a carbon copy - of pooh

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Hellsvacancy - 64 days 10 hours ago

Lol i love Drop Dead Fred

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Chubear - 64 days 7 hours ago

When you really look at it, it's only now in the 360s 4th year that the 3rd iteration of Forza is trying to match GTHD. Sure you can fake yourself by pointing to mediocre rendered damage as the reason it's better than GTHD but that would make you a fool.

There are other Racing Sims on the PS3 that totally make Forza look like child's play and it makes you wonder how on earth millions of 360 owner even went out and bought Forza2 when you think about it cause that game was pure rubbish for a racing sim.

When it comes to everything car enthusiasts want to see in a racing sim, the Forza series is a complete joke and only people who know little to nothing about automobile enthusiasm will go put $60 on that thing. Most of the people who buy Forza are more Mid night run or Need for Speed type gamers that think paint customization with neon light purple and pics of booty on the hood is what racing games are about.

All you have to do is look at the general presentation Forza puts forward and you'll know the guys that made the game aren't real car enthusiasts just wannabe racing game developers.

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buying1999 - 64 days 1 hour ago

Forza 3 isn't a carbon copy of GT5. It's a copy of Flopza 2. I got tired of microsoft doing that stuff and ditched the Lamebox and got myself a PS3 Slim. The bots should wake up and do the same.

Power of the Cell ROAR

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cyborg6971 - 64 days ago

I hope your not full of sh!t and if your not bout time you sobered up.

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talltony - 63 days 7 hours ago

He's serious. He really did sober up. He got a slim and pretty much converted to the trey brotherhood lmao!

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Tesselation 360 - 64 days 11 hours ago

and it aint a PS3

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Ceekay - 64 days 9 hours ago

What is it, an Atari 2600? Or a 360?

Not that it matters, they're about the same...

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Shane Kim - 64 days 9 hours ago

Wooah Ceeky, don't compare those too. I bet that if I took out my old Atari 2600 from the basement, and hook it up, It would start up like a charm. And that after it has been down there for like 16-17 years.

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artgamer - 64 days 11 hours ago

haha, tesselation, you're really a failbot

you compare this garbage...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT5 shows gameplay and it looks F*cking REAL, I honestly can't tell the difference anymore.

Forza shows lame paintjobs of cars standing still. Kinda looks like Burnout Paradise, only Burnout Paradise is actually fun and looks slightly better.

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likedamaster - 64 days 4 hours ago

"where GT5 has 16" "while gt5 is a smooth 1080p with AA."

More like 1280x1080 with ghosting. Yeah, that which causes your car to become invisible so that frame-rate won't drop significantly. If PD can eliminate that then 'more power' but for now its cheap and annoying online. If the GT5 retail plays like Prologue it will be a complete bumpercar-fest both off and online.

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keysy420 - 64 days 9 hours ago

360 has just as many games pushed back as ps3 you fanboys need original material, M$ needs to find another way to give you something totally pointless that you will cling to. and in case you forgot ps3 games are being delayed by the 360 ff13 anyone and doengraded. i know its becoming hard to keep excitement for a out of date system thats why people arent talking about the ps2. sony could have dropped a ps2hd and blew m$ out of the water but they wanted to advance the world like video games have been doing since forever, not saying m$ didnt with live but that is being matched so. its hard to call

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Marty8370 - 64 days 7 hours ago

Wishful thinking bot. Flopza 3 will never be GT5.

Enjoy your Crapbox, oh dear can't it's getting repaired. LOL

Should have got a reliable console, a PS3

Jump Out, Play B3yond

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LUCKYXS7LEVEN - 64 days 5 hours ago

P.P, MetalGearRising,360ownsPs3,Pat chStation,HaloOwnsPs3,360 Elite, Delaystation, YLOD , and that's so far the names i've seen u use so far. plz anyone feel free to add the rest of this guy account , it's fun to see a 14 year old rant and denying his ultra G4Y here on N4G

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2good4u2 - 64 days 3 hours ago

another great droid example.
one of those random kids this site is spammed with every day.

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cyborg6971 - 64 days 1 hour ago

Your an example of why some dads pull out.

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nix - 64 days 10 hours ago

here.. i think you missed this news:

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News...

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talltony - 64 days 8 hours ago

And you make me ashamed of owning a 360 because I have to play with people like you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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lh_swe - 64 days 2 hours ago

You are the biggest embarrassment to your peeps along with MetalGearRising.
chrisulloa just shut you big fat trap, btw you spew some bull but never back it up nor do you acknowledge the comments that make you look like a total idiot.

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The real killer - 63 days 22 hours ago

Please, shut your big mouth.
Forza 3 will never and never the same like GT5.

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lh_swe - 63 days 14 hours ago

Aside from being a little confused as to what you are trying to say, I think it was something about how Forza 3 will never be like GT5, or as good, something along those lines anyways (apologies if I am wrong). Well no! Forza 3 is a different game, with different priorities and yes GT5 looks prettier and has more cars but Forza 3 is a ton of fun.

I gave into the racing in my blood and bought it and I haven't had any regrets, the amount of things you can do, customise, the amount of races, cars and tuning options make this a very real and very big competitor in the race for best the best of the genre.

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LUCKYXS7LEVEN - 64 days 4 hours ago

there's 1 bubble left to make a complete a$$ of yourself , finish up by replying here you silly cyber monkey

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LUCKYXS7LEVEN - 63 days 15 hours ago

so you look into other ppl history to look for fake facts about them, jeez dude do you even value your life or your just stuck in a lonely cheap apartment. judging for the character you've picked as your avatar i can tell the only way you could sleep with a woman is for u to cry like a baby and make her feel sorry of your pathetic life.
sense you kindly try to give false info of my lifehood i'll share the truth.
im 18 Male
play guitar
earns $ 2000 a month from the military
i do play on my ps3
when im bored i go to N4G for the latest news on ps3 n to read fanboy comment just to laugh.
so wats ur life?
oh right out of bubbles

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talltony - 64 days 4 hours ago

It actually has the best car customization in any game ever made. What other game can you actually make your own custom paint jobs with thousands of layers and be able to upload and print them? That is what forza does best. I'm not impressed by the technical aspect of it but the customization is just second to none.

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