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Editorial: Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii: Who's Winning And How

Derrick Schommer examines, analyzes and explains the numbers that were issued by GameDaily on hardware and software releases since 2007.

Excerpt:

"Although a few of us expected Sony's PlayStation 3 to make huge progress this year, each month they have marginal growth is causing their competitors to excel beyond anyones imagination. We're starting to wonder how well Sony's "10 year plan" is going to work out with their competitors taking advantage of the market now when, in 10-years, they will be sitting on their pile of cash to re-invest in the 8th generation of consoles."
JonahFalcon - contributor
Published: 415 days 5 hours ago | Article | PlayStation 3 | Xbox 360 | Wii | Industry News
 
 

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Monchichi025 - 415 days 5 hours ago
1.1 - Wow....
Kinda hard to argue with pure numbers in your face! The Wii is kcking some serious arse!!!

Xbox is doing exceptionally well, especially on the software side!

But Sony....they've seen better days. Maybe 2009 will finally be there year!??? Maybe????
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kapedkrusader - 415 days 5 hours ago
1.2 - The writer of this article is completely biased!!!...
...For one, you cannot compare the 360s sales-to-date with the PS3s sales-to-date because it's been on the market much longer. In reality, the PS3 is performing almost exactly as the 360 performed it's first two years and considering there were no other next-gen consoles on the market when the 360 came out, I'd say the PS3 is doing well. In terms of software, how can he say that the Wii cannot compare to the 360s software sales? Again, the 360 had a year head start and the Wii has 73 million to the Xbox's 90 million. This jackass is reading these charts completely out of context!
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Beast_Master - 415 days 4 hours ago
1.3 -
I actually enjoy my articles with real facts and figures. I mean the Software comment it is beyond stupid. "93 million to 73 million" so with a year head start the 360 has only 20 million software lead. Dude MS wishes their studios could come close to Nintendo's sales. I mean for goodness sakes Nintendogs has sold 18 million World wide on the ds that is sick!! Nintendo may not move as much 3rd party stuff. But my god they are making hand over fist above Sony and MS.

I hate this guy even more he makes me defend the F---ing WII> JERK

Let's not forget Nintendo and Sony have multiple consoles ok. Last I checked there were 30+ million PSPs and 70+ million DS which makes Sony and Nintendo better than MS in terms of profitable. MS on the other hand is closing Ensemble, breaking with Bungie, they let Bio-ware walk..hmmm makes me wonder if MS will even be in the next gen? Does anyone else see the writing on the wall for MS?
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kapedkrusader - 415 days 3 hours ago
1.4 - The chart he is using is either US only or not current...
...this is a load of Sh!t.
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Real Gambler - 415 days 1 hour ago
1.5 - KapedKrusader, those are NPD stats. Normally, only in the U.S.
Would be nice to add Europe, and Asia

Still, it's impressive that the Wii, managed to beat the 360 in it's own territory.

Will be fun to look at this chart, in 6 to 12 months and see if the recession had any effect.
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Bodhi - 415 days 1 hour ago
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To be honest now, the "Year of the PS3" thing is a joke now. I remember when MGS4 was released and people were shouting that left and right and now everyone has ditched 2008 and went to 2009. This has been going on since the release of the PS3 in 2006... This is pretty similar to The Boy Who Cried Wolf...
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OnslaughtX - 415 days 1 hour ago
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The concept of "year of anything" is a joke. So is the concept of "game killer" and "system seller." It's buzz words and media hype that has trickled down to the less intelligent gaming populace who feel they need to justify their purchase.

If anything this is the year of the gamer. Gears 2, L4D, R2, MGS4, LBP, Fallout... its been a pretty damn awesome year, and 2009 looks to be great as well.
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Bodhi - 415 days 1 hour ago
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Yeah Onslaught I agree completely, I rarely see 360 fanboys saying Year of the 360 unless a PS3 fanboy says Year of the PS3 first though. That's why I said the Year of the PS3 specifically.

It's more prevalent amongst the PS3 fanboys as they speculated that upon the PS3s launch, the 360 would die like the Dreamcast. They just keep going now-a-days.

The entire concept of fanboys is pretty ridiculous now.
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OnslaughtX - 415 days 1 hour ago
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It works both ways. I wouldn't call out one group of fanboys as 'worse' since both are equally as bad in my experience. While they may not say "year of the 360" they are equally as disgusting with their claims of PS3 has no games and their constant insistence on things like sales numbers over fun.

Gears 2 sold 2 million! That's awesome!.... if you work for Epic or MS. If you're a gamer, why aren't you talking about things like the story or the fun gameplay? No, it has to be sales numbers in relation to other titles, thus the other titles "suck." But I digress.

As for the death of the 360, that's just silly. Sega as in deep crap from years of bad business decisions and bad hardware launches. MS stepped up their game (despite god awful hardware quality) and its clear they are here to stay. Sony fanboys keep going, but check around and tell me how many "PS3 is doomed/BD is dead/Can this save the PS3?" articles there are. Again, it works both ways, and I won't call out one group over another.

As you said, its just ridiculous from both sides. I never thought I could find a site worse than Gamefaqs. Then I found N4G, a great concept butt fvcked by fanboys.
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Traveler - 415 days ago
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The problem, OnslaughtX, is that sales figures are a convenient and legitimate metric to determine how healthy a game platform is. PS3 fanboys are constantly saying how the Xbox 360 is going to die and the future belongs to the PS3. When I hear that, of course I am going to bring sales figures into the discussion. Better selling games also tend to get better funded sequels which without a doubt does have an impact on a game's quality. Sales are not the end-all-be-all, but they certainly are important and are worth discussing.

I understand what Bodhi is talking about. We are constantly hearing from PS3 fanboys that "X" year is the year of the PS3, but we don't hear that from Xbox fanboys that much.

The other reason that I don't agree with your dismissal of sales data is that it is just a way for PS3 fanboys to discount everything good about the Xbox 360 and claim the PS3 as superior. You point out the 360's larger library of games... "So what, quality is more important that quantity", says the PS3 fanboy. You point out that the 360 still has a larger library of highly rated games..."so what, it's just a matter of personal opinion", says the PS3 fanboy. You point out that the Xbox 360 is a healthy game platform that shows healthy software sales..."I don't care about sales, I just play the games", says the PS3 fanboy. But then when it comes to the PS3's strengths it's all supposed to be "objective fact" and there is no longer any room for subjectivity. The PS3 has Blu-ray and wi-fi and its online service is free--these are strengths that are supposed to be accepted at face value despite the fact that their value is still determined by an individual's subjective judgment of their worth or desirability. But when it comes to many of the Xbox 360's strengths--the quality of its online service, the huge library of games, the number of AAA exclusives--we are supposed to reject all that, because it is based on sales data (the AAA label, for example) or critical reception (which is rejected because it is subjective). So, I don't agree that we should ignore sales data or the critical reception of a game. I think both of those criteria are good metrics for judging the health, quality, and success of a gaming platform.
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OnslaughtX - 415 days ago
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Oh I agree, and platform health is good for gamers, it means more games. However, the problem is people usually twist numbers to suit their own needs. My professor was always hardcore about stating that numbers can be used to support ANY argument, and its true. Very rarely though are numbers used in an intelligent manner, especially around here. It's not a discussion, its vindictive slamming. It degrades to a "nyah nyah" pissing match, where if one game doesn't sell as well as another its a flop or a failure. It's lame, when NO ONE here has had ANY hand in the development of ANY of these games.

Again, this "year of thing" is just stupid, no matter where it comes from. And instead I hear "Ps3 is doomed/BD is doomed/Can this save the PS3?" instead. Again, different crap same stink.

You make some good points but in the end you are still arguing with fanboys. Why not rise above, be a gamer, and just ignore them entirely? Instead, it permeates the crap around here by dropping to their level, and any intelligent discussion is lost in the mire of stupidity. You can't even constructively criticize a game around here without being labeled a fanboy (newsflash: Gears 2 and R2 had sh1t bosses). If someone is dismissing the quality of the PS3 or 360's library, are they really worth talking to? There is very little objective fact when it comes to fun. 2 million units won't makes Gears 2 more fun for me, nor will a built in WiFi adapter make a PS3 more useful or a better value to someone who doesn't have a wireless network.

As for review scores... well everyone here knows how I already feel about that, as they are the ultimate biased hypocrisy. And I will defend games from Banjo Nuts and Bolts up through Resistance 2 when someone uses a review score to JUDGE a game they don't own or haven't played.
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SL1M DADDY - 414 days 14 hours ago
1.12 - What I find interesting is...
If you aligned the PS3 sales with the 360 sales, day and ate, you would get the same line across both systems yet, so many Xbox fanboys say how poorly the PS3 is doing in terms of sales. So hypothetically speaking, if they dog on the PS3 sales, they are inadvertently dogging the 360 sales... Seems a bit hypocritical if you ask me. lol
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kapedkrusader - 414 days 13 hours ago
1.13 - @slim...
...that's exactly the point I was trying to make and got pwned in the "Disagree" department. I hate people that just click disagree, but don't state why.
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monfa - 415 days 3 hours ago
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just wondering , what is the average units sold per year(world wide) for each company ?
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Dread - 415 days 1 hour ago
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the author is biased?

wow

here comes the Sony defense force to spin the numbers again.

there is no doubt that the 360 was first in the market when it released in 05. The graph however, demonstrates trends.

the trend is that the WII is kicking major butt.

and also the 360, sits pretty in second. The Playstation is making some headway but not fast enough to catch up, so far?!

also these are U.S. numbers so for the 360 fans do not get ahead of yourselves

the Playstation 3 is doing considerably better overseas.

one thing is for sure, the competition is fierce, and i bet no one (including me) thought that things would be this way coming into 20-09.. i mean the WII first followed by the 360 and Sony last..incredible..

either way this is good news for us gamers

be gamers not haters

peace
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Mr.Mister - 415 days ago
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i agree with you and the thing about 2009 is going to be the years of ps3 is sh*t full of cràp i mean common ever since the ps3 has come its always the same thing." 2007 is going to be sony year" oops nothing happen , "2008 is going to be sony years this time you will see wait till gta4, wait till cod4 and wait till mgs4 comes out you see it will sale better than the wii "well actully happen , cod4 sold better on 360, gta 4 sold better on 360 and mgs did greatbut did not manage to push console sale over the wii no they say wait till 2009
now i know that if a receive bubble down it come frome the sony defense force
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Dread - 415 days ago
3.2 -
Mr Mister

i bet that the true gamers who are also Sony fans are sick of the stupid argument.
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Traveler - 415 days ago
3.3 -
I know. Why does any year have to be "the year of the PS3" for the PS3 to be a good and worthwhile console?
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badz149 - 414 days 23 hours ago
3.4 - @ Mr Mister
last year and earlier this year, people touted that 2008 will be the year of the PS3 just by looking at the lineup of the PS3 and they were half way right where the PS3 was outselling 360 healthily in NA! but nobody was expecting M$ to drop the price of 360 especially the arcade to $199 this year! that was a desperate move but HUGE with the unexpected economic disaster as of now really making that price point to be more appealing than ever! so, eventhough 360 is still not producing the higer priced Wii's numbers, it's still giving the PS3 the run for it's money. it has and will dent the progress of the PS3 this year and at this point, I think that it's already safe to say that in term of sales, 2008 will never be the year of PS3 - in NA at the least!

2009 is still pretty much unpredictable but in term of line-up, like 2008, PS3 has plenty to offer in term of exclusives! a price cut is also expected from Sony and I'm expecting a more interesting year than 2008!

p/s: I didn't say anything about Wii because it's from another dimension! - untouchable at the moment!
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ReBurn - 415 days 1 hour ago
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I'm winning, of course. I get to play any games that I want to.
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Traveler - 415 days ago
4.1 -
I'm with you man. Owning both consoles (or all) is the way to go. I love my 360 and the PS3 is getting better all the time.
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Funky Town_TX - 415 days 1 hour ago
5 - WOW
you guys compare data while I game. That is why we purchased consoles in the first place? Who cares what M$ has done, just enjoy your console of choice and let others do the same.
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gumgum99 - 415 days ago
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well, facts are facts.

can't argue with that. I do hope Sony finds a way out come 09 though.

Edit: does anyone find it odd how the charts are super small and aren't even clickable. I mean if facts are facts, what is there to hide? right?
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Apocalypse Shadow - 415 days ago
7 - such terrible insite to what sony wants to accomplish with ps3.
each week,we see 360 fans looking at numbers because microsoft has trained you to look at them as a basis on what the market is doing and where it is going.

lets make it easy and simple:

1)microsoft launched first.said:"first to 10 million wins."yet,nintendo past them and launched a year later.also,nintendo didn't have to drop their price to still compete.they lead in sales.

2)microsoft dropped the entry price of 360 to under wii price.yet,360 in any configuration,doesn't sell like wii in numbers.don't lie to yourselves and say microsoft will catch up.they won't.casuals have decided on nintendo again.not because of price.they can be successful in america and maybe in europe,but japan does not care about 360 that much.even with jrpgs.and sony,outsold them at lower prices and with their biggest guns like halo 3 last year.they are not that worried.

3)sony has as always,stuck with a plan for their consoles.and they always start off slow.it wasn't ever overnight sales of playstation products.but their goal has always been 10 million console sales a year or MORE for 10 years.what does that add up to?100 million.how many times has sony done this?TWICE

this time,sony launched and stacked the system with almost everything you might need built into the system.and they built it with quality.it rarely breaks if at all.that's worth the price.and i bought it at launch and have the 60gig.and i am one of the few that can just stick my ps1/ps2 games in the system because i still play them along with ps3 games.

slow and steady is sony's course.you might not like it.but then,no one in this thread run sony's company.and second,they are running 3 different pieces of hardware on the market at the same time.psp is sucessful.ps2 is way successful.no system has ever sold 130 plus million before.and ps3 sells slow and steady beating its previous numbers.

sony doesn't care what fans think on this site or any other.they only care about increasing sales and making profit.they already got hardcore gamers playing beyond.if you like 360 or wii,that's fine.but don't think sony is concentrating on getting you to move over if you don't want to.just like they didn't care if third parties went multiplatform.they can take care of themselves.and so far,the sales year on year reflect that.

apocalypse.................
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v1c1ous - 415 days ago
7.1 - sony, and MS, failed in accomplishing what they really wanted
which is WII like sales.
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Dread - 415 days ago
7.2 -
perhaps u r right. I guess time will tell.

consider however, that your are also making assumtions as to what Sony is thinking. Perhaps Sony is not were they wanted to be and they are now scrambling for a strategy. I don't know.

the fact is that this time around, Sony has stronger competition. So the alleged 10 year plan Sony speaks off could backfire. If in fact they do have a ten year plan, then you must admit it is very risky.

again time will tell.

at the end, the fact is that Sony is doing just fine with competition.

thankfully competition is proving good for us gamers. Let the fanboys miss out.
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Traveler - 415 days ago
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What a biased analysis. Too bad your theory has lots of holes in it.
First of all, you say that the Wii "didn't have to drop their price to still compete". Well duh, until recently the Wii was the cheapest console on the market, so they didn't need to drop the price of the console. Also, much of the Wii's success is due to the fact that it is tapping into a whole new demographic--a whole new market really. The Xbox 360's price drops are perfectly in line with the normal timeline we see for most consoles, given economies of scale and the reduced cost of production of components. It isn't surprising that the Wii hasn't seen a price cut yet. To see a full $100 price cut in the first year, like we did with the PS3, is what is abnormal.

Second, you claim that Sony "always start off slow" with their consoles, but this isn't true. Sony had sold 40 million PS2 in the same time frame it has taken them to sell around 17 or 18 million PS3s (at the end of October Sony reported 16.8 million PS3s sold). No matter how you look at it, the PS3 is selling MUCH slower than the PS2.
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Death - 414 days 14 hours ago
7.4 - Sony "stating off slow" is meansured in months, not years.
After 24 months, the PS2 has sold 40 million consoles worldwide. They hit 50 million a few months later. The PS2 is still being sold today because demand justifies production. The "ten year plan" is a marketing slogan, not an idication of a sound business strategy.

-Death
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mint royale - 414 days 14 hours ago
7.5 - @death
damn right. The 10 year plan doesn't mean the ps3 will be sony's primary console until 2016 thats just stupid. If they really plan to do this they will get killed on the market.

The ps2 looks like it may make 10 years on the market which is a fantastic achievement but it is helped infinately by being the best selling console of last gen. The ps3 doesn't have this luxury. How can the ps3 sell with future consoles when it can barely keep up this gen? The ps2 is already 8 million ahead of the ps3 according to sony and it was around about this point when ps2 sales exploded. The ps3 doesn't have a chance of staying with its big brother.

But at the end of the day if you get the games you want, who cares?
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Xi - 415 days ago
8 - no one is losing.
Because no console this generation will end up like the dreamcast, even though so many predicted at least 1 would.
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OnslaughtX - 415 days ago
8.1 -
The only ones who will lose are gamers if this whole DLC situation gets out of hand. But that's an argument for another thread!
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Dread - 415 days ago
8.2 -
onslaught

good point i am also very concerned.

but that ios for a nother thread..
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Noob - 415 days ago
8.3 - Yup
There starting to release DLC (that cost money) before the stupid game comes out(I'm looking at you Need for SPeed).
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Arius Dion - 415 days ago
9 - Is this a joke?
Wii sales are in the stratusphere and have been unprecedented. Didn't it just destroy the October sales record set by the PS2 by at least 300k? Of course 360 would have more software, it released a year before both competitors. This will of course have an impact on software sales. Whats crazy is that the Wii is so few units behind the 360 after the yr head start and half-assed third party support. Also, contrary to fanboy statements, PS3 is NOT as dire as they would have you believe (For the record, I'm not the biggest playstation fan)The PS3 is in third atm yes, but its trending very similarly to the 360, and the 360 isn't doing too bad either, so its not a bad place to be. I mean every month with the NPD (Which only counts USA) Neither the 360 or PS3 really destroy the other in terms of hardware sales..at least not in the way the Wii usually destroys both combined.
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Traveler - 414 days 23 hours ago
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I agree with most of your comment, but the part about the 360 selling more software wasn't really accurate. The 360 currently sells much more software than the Wii despite the fact that there are a lot more Wiis in people's homes. The 360 is doing very well in terms of how much software it sells.
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Covenant - 415 days ago
10 - Who's winning?
Gamers.
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40cal - 415 days ago
11 - I would love.
To see some real world wide sales numbers for the big three. On the PSBlog today they said that there are almost 17 million PS3s around the world. Any recent world wide numbers from any one else lately?
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Xi - 415 days ago
11.1 - Xbox 360
said they're posed to surpass the original xbox install base by the end of the month, they're currently around 24 million.
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Nicolator - 415 days ago
12 - damn
that is so serious ass kicking by the wii thou.. but to see a faulty 360 do that well is mind buggling ..and its stilll increasing funny enough
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Ldubbz - 414 days 22 hours ago
13 - Damn...93 millie
The 360 20 million SW advantage over Wii is that much bigger when u consider how much of that Wii SW is Wii Play and Wii Sports, which both account for a lot of those sales. Of course 360 has bundles from time to time, but nothing comparing to those two titles...nor do they sell as much HW. And the games are $10 more expensive on average than Wii.

In reference to the PS3, Sony basically created their own problem, by including the BR (and WiFi, emotion chip...well, not anymore) in the PS3, its just that simple. Yes they are cool features to have, but features you are required to pay for. And only 34% of US households even have HDTV. Big mistake.

That left the door too wide open for not only the competition, but Sony's own PS2. MS knew that they needed to hit the $200 entry point to reach their sales targets; I dont think Sony can reach that level for some time. And even if they could, MS could easily be at $100 at that point. And if current economic conditions continue, that sure wont help Sony's cause. People will still game, perhaps increasingly so, but they will do so on the cheaper console. 75% of console sales accrue when the price dips below $200...
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Arius Dion - 414 days 11 hours ago
13.1 - Are you serious?
First Wii sports isn't counted in the NPD, Second at a year head start 360 is only up by 20 million? 20 million is nothing considering the fact the Wii doesn't get the third party support the HD consoles are getting atm. And Traveler, your statement is untrue, 360 doesn't sell more software than Wii, this month is the first month in many that the 360 has sold more software than the Wii but that's primarily due to the fact that Gears was released. 2 Million in what 2 days? that's great. I never said 360 didn't sell software, it most certainly does. But so does the Wii.
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DJ - 414 days 21 hours ago
14 - *shrug
This is why looking at one territory alone is a bit useless. You don't even get a hint of the whole picture. Though Wii would be number 1, regardless.
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Apocalypse Shadow - 414 days 20 hours ago
15 - yup dj
some don't look at the OVERALL picture.sure,nintendo is doing well.but they have always done well.nintendo had a cheap gamecube and GBA and DS on the market making money.the wii just helps extend that money making.gamecube might not have been the market leader,but nintendo always made money regardless.

microsoft was the one that had to turn things around after last generation.and they have done well.still haven't made those billions back they lost on xbox.but,they are doing better than expected.it was only because of their cheapness on hardware parts that made them lose the lead.most likely permanently.

but they look at sony's sales and think doom and gloom but sony's sales are higher year on year.same with their software sales.and some claim 10 years is a pipe dream.but neglect looking at the facts.:

ps1 was in production for 10 years.sony sold 102 million consoles.but because some third parties jumped to ps2 too soon,they lost money because they had poor software that didn't sell or didn't know how to program for ps2.plus,ps1 was selling while other consoles and portables were on the market.

ps2 is on its way to being in production for 10 years.and sony is just now introducing ps2 to new markets like latin america and india.they have already sold 130 plus million consoles.the 10 years is for a reason.and it's still selling while other consoles and portables are on the market.but the reason for 10 years......

LONG TAIL

companies can continue making money on ps2 while transitioning to ps3 or whatever system they choose to make games on.the cost of development can be balanced by last gen sales.sony itself balances its losses on ps3's price until it makes its own money.but fans of other systems are either too young to understand or just BLIND.

ps3's LONG TAIL will help companies make money now and into the future even when they transition to ps4,720 or wii 2.they don't get hurt.even phil harrison spoke on this.but blind-economic-fan-experts of other systems choose to not see THE BIGGER PICTURE.microsoft CHOPPED OFF its long tail by dropping xbox1.

could sony drop the ps2 to $99?drop psp to $99?drop ps3 to $299?sure......

but would they make any money by doing so?or would it make sense to drop money makers altogether just because they launched something new?

but real gamers with intelligence can see what i'm saying.they get the long tail senario and know sony will make it's share year on year.even when microsoft jumps to 720 in 2 years.

apocalypse................... ......
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baodeus - 414 days 18 hours ago
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@Apocalypse

Are you the CFO for Sony or something, cause it seems you know exactly what they are planing. Calling other economic expert blind for using actual data, while you using your opinion as fact is laughable. Data is FACT, there is is no way to dispute fact and that is the common ground where everyone can agree on for argument and debate. Ask yourself something, if someone present you with hard cold facts (DATA) and someone else giving you their opinion without anything, who would you believe?

PS3 isn't in the same situation as PS1 and PS2. There is something called global economy crisis. I didn't remember there was economy crisis during PS1 and PS2 era. The economy was actually blooming during those times. How are you expect PS3 to sell the same when there are other cheaper alternatives that also provide unique experiences. "cheaper" is the magic word during this time of crisis. How many time have you seen or heard stores are filling for bankruptcy all around you this day? Near my work place, some one just shot the CEO of a company because he got fired. Sony didn't account for the crisis to hit this hard.
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lizard81288 - 414 days 8 hours ago
16 - wii,wii,wii all the way home...
hasn't the wii been winning(in 1st place) since it came out?
although i suppose its a double edge sword, sure the wii is winning, but its got tons and tons of shovelware, and i only own a wii
;_;
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