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Why Mario Kart 8's Lack of Voice Chat Does and Does Not Matter

So Mario Kart 8 has no voice chat feature. Let me be the first to say that this kind of sucks for Wii U players (and technically for me when I get the thing in the future). A lot of people seem pretty upset by this news, and rightfully so. Some people really want to be able to talk to the people they are playing with and that's a perfectly fine criticism. Although, I do feel like some of the criticism is a little overblown. Let's start from the beginning.

So Mario Kart 8 has been listed on the Wii U eShop and the confirmation about no voice chat comes from the spot that usually lists that feature as blank on the MK8 eShop page. Well that stinks. We can hope that voice chat is present in some capacity, but sadly it's more than likely not there at all. And why not? Nintendo's foray into online with Mario Kart 7 was actually really good. They introduced a community feature that made it a lot easier for friends to play together. The next logical step would be to let those communities, well, communicate! Well, it seems that wasn't a high priority for Nintendo on this one.

And you know what? I'm both okay and not okay with it. Here's why!

Why it's okay - Mario Kart 8 is gorgeous and looks like a very fun improvement over its predecessor. I don't think there's anyone who can argue that the game looks uninteresting. Furthermore, it's probably the first Wii U game to boast a graphical art style that makes you say, "Wow, these graphics look great!" Basically, the game is going to be awesome regardless. And if it's any saving grace, Mario Kart does not have any cooperative modes as far as I know, so voice chat would not really have the same sort of efficiency that it would in a game of Left 4 Dead or Call of Duty. And is smack-talking people online in Mario Kart really all that it's cracked up to be?

And now why it's not okay - Unfortunately this is also a showcase of how Nintendo still seems stubbornly apprehensive about online gaming in general. Nintendo Land and all of their cooperative Mario games have had 'NES-like' game experiences that don't utilize the internet in any way other than Miiverse. This doesn't hurt the game's overall quality necessarily, but it prevents fans from connecting together who don't have the option of local multiplayer (like myself). While this game DOES have online, the lack of voice chat means there's still another barrier between me and the friends I'm playing with. It certainly leaves me concerned for what happens with Smash Bros., a game that needs online and DOES have cooperative gaming.

I personally am not entirely affected by this however. When playing Mario Kart 7, my friends and I would always use Skype to communicate with each other and using the devices in tandem worked very well. My friends and I always anticipated we would have to do the same in Mario Kart 8 and unfortunately our prediction was correct. I don't like speaking in public chats anyway. People tend to say annoying things in public game chats, so I would rather just talk to my friends and Skype is a perfect tool for that.

All is not lost though! If you feel Nintendo should have had voice chat in Mario Kart 8, then you should probably take to Nintendo customer service or Miiverse and ask for universal party chat for Wii U. That would fix this entire issue altogether. And the reason why I encourage you to do that is because while this issue won't affect me, there are plenty of fans who probably really wanted this feature who do not have access to Skype and their game consoles at the same time.

So all in all, I think there is some need for some concern over this issue. People really need to buckle down and tell Nintendo they want something better if they expect this to change (and Nintendo fans need to acknowledge that the lack of a basic online feature is indeed a viable criticism). That all being said, Mario Kart 8 looks amazing regardless and I am pretty sure that many of the people complaining would love it if they played it anyway. Who knows?

Anyways, these have been my three cents. Happy gaming!

dedicatedtogamers3695d ago

Nintendo has been very vocal (irony) about not allowing voice chat. Their reasoning is sound: they want anyone - from a 4 year old kid to a grandmother in her 70s - to be able to play with others online in a "clean" environment. While it's annoying, it is also something that sets them apart from other companies. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but we all know that when voice chat is involved, you're going to have those people who mess it up for everyone.

With that said, Mario Kart is all about the local MP in my opinion.

randomass1713694d ago

Thank you for commenting!

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Nintendo does have a community of children to watch out for, that much is very true. However I also feel that there are ways to handle that. For games intended for younger audiences, why not incorporate a "friends only" chat that will only function if the users have shared Miiverse IDs/friend codes? I know it wouldn't be fool proof, but it could certainly help the situation. Public voice chat is a little risky for the more well behaved children out there.

As for local multiplayer? Well, I dunno about that. My friends and I had a blast playing Mario Kart 7 online. Me and seven of my buddies all connected, all talking (or rather talking smack) on Skype, and the connection held up perfectly in spite of us all being in totally different places, even countries. The case of Mario Kart 8 could be better, but it can be a heck of a lot worse too. I think I'm satisfied either way. :)

maniacmayhem3694d ago

I agree with Dedicated. Unfortunately it's a double edge sword because unlike my college days, my friends and I are unable to get together and play Mario Kart locally like we used to.

We all have now switched to Sonic All Stars for our kart racing only because of the online and none of my friends own a Wii.

Voice chat helps as we all decide on what track to race next, smack talk and other related things of that nature. Voice chat is a very integral part of our gaming nowadays.

Nintendo is trying to create a family friendly environment but are alienating their users that are grown up and also grew up with them starting with the NES.

I applaud them for thinking about children when gaming on their console but Nintendo needs to leave the babysitting to the parents. Nintendo needs to add these very basic (by today's standards) features for their games.

dedicatedtogamers3694d ago (Edited 3694d ago )

Dude. Sonic All Stars?

So good...

Haven't played it online but I got it as a PS+ game a few months ago and I was straight-up shocked at how good it is.

Anyway, maybe a good compromise is that Nintendo restricts voice chat in "public" games. As in, if you jump online with random other people, no voice chat. And then in order to voice chat, you log into a private room. It doesn't have to be password-protected, just a private room. Certainly a kid MIGHT jump into that room but at least it offers an option for people who won't care about hearing potty mouths online.

And by virtue of people usually just using the simplest, fastest option in a game, the "join game" option dumps you in a public room with no voice chat.

rdgneoz33693d ago

If they just worried about kids, why not use parental controls. That tends to why devices have them to begin with. PS4's sub accounts let parents restrict a lot including chat, messaging, friend requests, the share feature, spectating broadcasts, ... You could have voice chat off by default or restrict voice chat / any chat to friends only, and let the parents enjoy not being treated as children.

randomass1713693d ago

As Dedicated said, maybe Nintendo can accommodate both. I think having chat with your friends is a lot more important than public chats, so having friend voice chats would probably be the most effective thing. Parental controls are also helpful in this regard. As for Sonic All-Stars, I wasn't much of a fan of the first one, but the second one really caught my attention because of the changing vehicles and environments. The online is alright, but we get a lot of drops and the invite system is a little weird. I think both can do with some improvement.

maniacmayhem3693d ago

@rdgneoz

Sonic All Stars is definitely a step up and the transforming vehicles adds a lot of variety to the races.

But yea, the online is spotty. We always experience at least 2 drop outs or complete freezes when we play. It's almost as if the game has to warm up before it starts working correctly.

That gripe and the fact that Sega seems to have forgotten the console version and has not added any new tracks or characters is my biggest complaint.

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coolbeans3694d ago

"they want anyone - from a 4 year old kid to a grandmother in her 70s - to be able to play with others online in a "clean" environment."

Makes you wonder why they targeted the hardcore market in the first place. :P

KonsoruMasuta3694d ago (Edited 3694d ago )

Nintendo never really targets any market. They try to make games that everyone, including hardcore gamers and casuals, can enjoy. Nintendo is still the same old Nintendo from NES days. I remember when MK skipped Nintendo because they didn't want that amount of violence on their console (This was almost 20 years ago). And when the handheld ports came out, they were censored.

Nintendo was always family friendly and never tried to seem "hardcore".

coolbeans3694d ago (Edited 3694d ago )

@Konsoru

Didn't really intend for it to translate exactly like that. When it came to the Wii-U announcement and their marketing team, there was definitely a bigger focus on that audience around that time. Of course, still hitting both ends of the spectrum, but the first showing definitely displayed a heightened focus on that crowd.

But the joke was stale to begin with and this is just making it worse. :P

iliimaster3694d ago

im seeing allthese mariokart 8 stories n its making me want this bad boy even more i can't wait to play this game

Stick893693d ago

A good way to solve this would be for Nintendo to implement party chat (if they don't have it already, I don't have a Wii-U so I'm not 100% on that). This way you are only really talking to the people you want to talk to, and the games are free of obnoxious asshats.

randomass1713693d ago

YES!! That is an excellent point. Party chat would basically fix the entire issue. I'm actually really quite surprised that that feature wasn't implemented into Wii U's OS.

slivery3692d ago

I am sorry but I can't seem to agree with most the comments here saying it is Nintendo's job to look after kids.. No, it is not. They are a gaming company, not a day care.

I feel that is one of Nintendo's problems is over zealously monitoring everything we do on their systems. For things like Miiverse I can understand but certain things you just can't avoid. It isn't their job to parent children.

One example is them removing swapnote which still has me bit peeved, sure there will always be bad apples in a bunch but what about all the responsible individuals who can use features like that without causing trouble? I guess we are just screwed and must be punished with the others who did abuse it.

I notice most people don't talk too much anyway in games that aren't FPS. So I am pretty sure the valguarity in MK8 would be very minimal.. There is also this thing called muting a person.

I also don't understand why Nintendo acts like they have more kids on their systems more than anyone else these days either because I honestly don't see it, I see kids with all types of things. Anyone who has played CoD knows there are tons of little ass clowns on it.

There are also many ways they could easily implement chat so people can "cleanly" chat with one another, they allow typing in games like Animal Crossing, it gives you a warning not to be a jerk beforehand, what is so bad about that? How can a game like Animal Crossing allow some type of chatting but MK8 doesn't at all?

I could understand if literally only children played their games and literally every game they made was made for children but that isn't the case, is it? Nintendo even has some more adult games but that doesn't stop them from selling them either.

Sometimes I really don't understand Nintendo's stance on this, as I said they allow communication in more childish games (don't get me wrong, I love some Animal Crossing) but then they limit it in games like this? Just doesn't make much sense to me. If you are going to go full throttle, why not limit everything then?

I also don't understand how they didn't expect people to misuse swapnote every now and then.. This just comes with communicating. It just isn't Nintendo's job to raise kids for their parents let alone monitor what they do, that is their parents job bottomline. It really is that simple.

It also drives me a bit nuts because Nintendo's system have the most child protection I have ever seen on any device in my life yet they still feel the need to take it further and further.. What is the point of even having child protection on things like the 3DS at all anymore considering they removed every way you could communicate with anyone?

They also heavily underestimate children these days, like the whole swapnote situation. Did it not occur to them these children where on online forums through the internet already talking to these adults? Do you seriously think removing swapnote somehow stopped pedophiles from finding ways to talk to children online? Of course not and those same troubled kids who want to act like adults will easily find ways to keep talking even if you take everything away from them.

slivery3692d ago (Edited 3692d ago )

I actually kind of know because my first serious girlfriend was 21 years old when I was 15. Of course I wasn't like most kids my age and I was very mature but when my parents tried to stop me from talking to her, it didn't stop me one bit, I found ways. Whether it was through friends phones or computers, whatever it wasn't hard.

So I just really feel like this is almost like the entire "War on Drugs" situation here. You can try and try with all your might but it won't stop people from doing these things, so you should just find better ways of allowing it but just in more safe/controlled environments. It also just helps keeping your child more informed about how the world really is.

Also just from knowing a bit about psychology, the more you actually restrict a person from doing something, they actually want to do that specific thing more.

They could also just simply require parents to sit down and warn them about the dangers of being online or the type of things they will hear online before being able to play when they buy them these systems. I feel the best way to be a parent is not to shelter your children from the world around them but to prepare them for it instead.

I have had so many friends where their parents tried so hard to hide the real world from them, it didn't help them at all and if anything they actually turned out far worse than their parents were hoping for because of that.

I would not have been as mature as I was at 15 if it weren't for my parents raising me right, instead of hiding things from they actually just told me straight up how it is or how it was. They didn't want me making bad decisions because I was never told about anything and just raised to think we live in some picture perfect world.

I get it though, to a parent your child is precious and I can understand how that can get in the way but sheltering anything is just bad. We all need to learn what is really out there.

slivery3692d ago (Edited 3692d ago )

Anyway I know that was a long one. I went off on many tangents but it is all the same topic. I will never feel like it is any companies job to raise someones kids for them.

Unless it happens to be child protective services but even they are a little screwed up at times but I'll spare you that conversation.

Baka-akaB3692d ago

Yeah it is just a ridiculous amount of zeal and hands holding .

I'll get MK8 , but since i was pretty much one of the few souls in our friends circle ready to make the jump on wii u , i'll just set the game aside for now .

I aint ready yet to be pretty much the only one hosting Mk8 sessions at home , and there will no online community of my own without voice chat

pakua3692d ago

I'm disappointed but nobody talks online anyway. I remember when Xbox Live first started and it was a social experience, those days are sadly long gone.

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