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Sony Will Be The Biggest Losers
108 days 7 hours ago | by: Meus Renaissance
All bets are off on who will win this generation in terms of unit sales, but lets focus on Sony for a moment. Many considered 2008 to be the Year Of The PlayStation and aside from Metal Gear's released there has nothing to suggest that to be true. As the year started with PS3's outselling 360's on a consistent rate in North America we all deemed it to be the starting point for the anticipated revolution of Sony's luck.

However, even for the months it has outsold the 360 or is rumoured to have outsold them, it never reached the 2:1 ratio (or more) that is needed for it to be in 2nd place by 2009.  To make matters worst, Microsoft came on top in the following periods and Grand Theft Auto's launch hardly did anything to help either especially Sony whom it was expected to benefit most from the hardware. How many times have we heard people argue, both gamers and critics, that most of Sony's fanbase would jump to the next gen when the new GTA would be launched? It fell on silent ears.

Aside from Metal Gear being potentially a system seller, there are big reservations that it will not make much of an impact on hardware figures let alone carry it to a 2:1 ratio of Microsoft for the North American market.

Even with the biggest hopes for Metal Gear, there are no other recognisable system sellers for the platform this year other than possibly the rumoured Final Fantasy release.

What people often forget to mention when they see those NPD numbers, is not simply who has outsold in regards to these two but by the margin of sales which is the most critical here. I'm flaberggasted as to why Sony supporters rejoice when they sell 20,000 more than Microsoft when it doesn't matter considering the gap between the installbases. Indeed, outselling them by that 20,000 and they would never close the gap.

I don't see Sony finishing anything but 3rd this generation, and side from a few exclusives, I think that's quite deserved so far from their overall performance in regards to the gamers and what we've lacked from them. For Sony to be so dominant, to drop down to 3rd place in just one generation, is nothing short of a punishment for them. Microsoft move up to 2nd place, whilst Nintendo have captured the casual market ensuring them probable domination in hardware sales in the future.

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Hagaf22 - 109 days 11 hours ago
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i think your a little ignorant on many levels, starting with the title, as long as sony sells 50 million units then even if they are in 3rd the system is a success, 2nd the ps3 doesnt need to out sell the 360 2:1- because the ps3 will be sonys system longer than microsoft plans on holding on the 360. also look at the cost to the manufacturer- sony isnt make much of a profit off of their console, but microsoft is still paying the billion dollar debt from the hardware failure epidemic. with the experience of developers growing, the ps3 will have just as many great titles as the 360 aside from exclusives. and biggest of all is the press and patronage. the press no longer slams the ps3 as a flop, especially after the release and massive success of mgs4. and people know sony, they know playstation, they know the name and they know the hardware works and will last. so regardless of what you think, in no way will sony be the biggest loser this gen.
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Icecold33 - 107 days 22 hours ago
1.1 - @hagaf22
Damn man, when did you become such a big fanboy. The guy makes a personal opinion in his own blog and you call him ignorant and freaks out on him. That's a bit arogant of you isn't it. You probably should focus more on those jets, and not PS3 so much.

Wow, you're the last one I would have expected this from.
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Chubear - 104 days 17 hours ago
1.2 - Ice cold
Though this is a blog piece, the poster made his piece public so any and all comments on it is valid. It's kinda funny how you call him derogatory names when the poster himself exhibits the traits you speak off.

He is entitled to his/her opinion just as the blog poster is entitled to his/hers. There's no need to try and target anyone responding to a PUBLIC blog piece.

LOL, it'll be so interesting to look back at certain comments made early in this gen, in 2011/2012. Good read.
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Meus Renaissance - 109 days 10 hours ago
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It's a damn blog, personal opinion not a story. Can't I say what I want in my blog?
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coolfool - 105 days 16 hours ago
2.1 - Hmmmm
Don't you invite people to comment on your blog?

In fact I almost assumed that you purposely wrote it to start a little debate and get people discussing your points.

I liked the blog btw, good read.
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Surfman - 109 days 9 hours ago
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hahaha, maybe your opinion, but completly untrue. I could say in a blog that i see Bill Gates in 2 years stopping Xbox franchise and makes games for PS3. You see, it's my "opinion". It's just sometime, if your "opinion" is completly funny how you think, why would you make it in a blog? Everybody has opinions, but nobody wanna know everyone's opinion. That's why the "comments section" of all news exist. Do it shortly.
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kewlkat007 - 108 days 5 hours ago
3.1 - "hahaha, maybe your opinion, but completly untrue"
Well it's an OPINION silly, how is it Untrue> Nobody saying it's FACT, unless you think your "SH^T smell like ROSES." Come on...

Based on what Meus has written, I have said something similar for a long time. Yes it's all Opinion and were making some type of hypothesis but come on guys, you have to imagine that "This Gen" will "NOT" be like Last Gen".

Everyone loyal Sony fan is holding on to some notion that Whatever happened last gen is bound to repeat. I just don't see that happening. Again IMO. For th i ngs to start happening lik they did even though Sony is picking up sales, the console has to estart selling like "really kicking @ss" week to week, and month to month for Sony to take that LEAD, and that is just for 2Nd place.

1. Sony will continue to sell consoles, to people that are not gamers and just looking for Blu-Ray thrills, you have to understand that when Sony sells a PS3, I wonder how many are buying extra games or multiples for their video hardcore pleasure. That's 1 thing we do know. It is a Factor.

-2. Ok looking at how the 360 does in Japan that's another Factor that gives Sony PS3 the world-wide edge, but this Gen the 360 is holding it's own in it's own back yard. Which is important IMO.

3. Sony will sell consoles based on their past Intall-base with the PS2(if and Whenever they decide to upgrade) but whatever MS might do, to somehow thwart that, buy paying for "Timed exclusives" or for games going "multi-plat" thats a little part of the strategy to bring fans that are not that "loyal" but wanna play games based on what they can afford, into the mix.

****Those are the EDGE Sony have gotten. While very big Edges, I feel like the Xbox 360 is now more established do do better then the Original Xbox and is in a good spot with developers, because of it's Install-Base and the Ease of development and online infrastructure/tools/support.* ****

This is what's changing the "Console war" looking at this Gen and comparing it to the last gen. MS still needs more 1st-party studios and Sony is still slacking in some areas. As time goes on We'll see what the hardware can do that really sets them apart, or we might never really get games that really embarassed the other in terms of hardware given the Pros and Cons of the Consoles and their infrastructures. Ask some "fanboy" and they will be quick to tell you otherwise, since thy know the future.

The suppose system sellers of the PS3, well they are not that many left, as far as games that's suppose to make everyone upgrade, and remember guys the PS2 sold over 2 million devices. Yeah I think the number is a little generous but also the PS2 did not really take off after the MAGICAL PRICE POINT of $199. This gen we have 2 other console competitors that will reach that point much faster. The Xbox 360 having a HUGE diverse gaming library when this takes place, with more games coming out and Of course the Wii will have plenty of new games. The PS3 will be last to do so with it's price point, I think. Thus another Xbox 360 EDGE to steal Market-Share to them non loyal fans that shop with depending on what they can afford or parents. Metal Gear Solid is PS3's best Exclusive and if it sells the same as the lst one then it won't do as much as it's suppose to. Sony will need help from other games. GTA4 was suppose to be one of those games and I do not think there was a BIG SPLASH like Sony hoped to do.

Again with MS's Xbbox 360 install-base, you just can't Ignore it and the DEVS are starting to learn that themselves. Not much Loyalty left. Some have been saying all MS have got was

2005 - By themselves
2006 - MS building it's Library
2007 - Another good year for MS and seen profits
2008 - Were hafway there and MS has plenty of games coming out, while some say they are dead(is beyond me)

IMO, all the games pushed to 2009 from Sony,really helped MS and the Xbox 360's line-up and I think they are pretty much even with the 360 getting the edge for RPG's. Let's see, you have FF, GT and GOW as potential System sellers,everything else others may post is all a big "????" with them new IPs and such. So we'll see.
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Jinxstar - 108 days 6 hours ago
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First I know this is opinion but "Sony" and "PS3" are not the same. The PS2 is still selling well...

If you want to talk install bases. Thats kinda a mute point anymore. They both have a large enough install base that 3rd party Dev's can't really afford to overlook either system. Unless one system has something that fits their goals much better i.e. BR or XBL...

I own all consoles bro and I do have a preference. I like my PS3 best mainly because I have more friends on PSN then XBL(Matter of fact I only had one on XBL and just canceled my sub cause it wasn't worth the money to me) I like my BR movies and other features that come stock with every PS3... Sales too me don't really matter and really shouldn't to any of us. If you like Gears get a 360 if you like MGS get a PS3... I just find for myself that I prefer games on PS3... I really like Gears and NG but what I like most is sitting down with my girl and playing Lego Star Wars or something Co-Op(On PS3 cause she likes that controller more) we are both stoked for LBP more then any other game this year... LBP will release and be great so sales could really matter for nothing to me...

Feel the way you want but I have replaced 2 360's. Currently the hard drive on my elite is faulty now and all the stupid people on the xbox hotline tell me is exactly what the website says in accents I can't understand while I sit there 90% of the time saying "What?" but it's not a RROD therefore not under warranty...

BTW this gen doesn't end in 2009. It should last til 2013 at the very least...
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Apocalypse Shadow - 108 days 6 hours ago
5 - sorry meus
but this blog fails.

you assume that sony is worried about microsoft as much as you think.they're not.i'll give you a reason.

sony has lead the way in what is considered next generation.as sony stated"next gen doesn't start until we say it does."and it's true.when you look at 1080p for next gen tvs,hdmi for next gen tvs,hard drives being bigger,remote play from anywhere in the world with psp and bluray setting and winning the standard,they were right on the money each time.even with CELL processing.

microsoft has backpeddled by trying to patch and upgrade what sony was right all along with.but excuse it as choice or improving features that they once bagged sony for.

but as for system sales,microsoft is worried about sony.but sony is worried about hitting 100 million consoles in 10 years...AGAIN.they only care about selling 10 million consoles every year to get to that.they don't care about microsoft.they didn't care about locking up games like GTA4.you talk about sony being the big losers TOO EARLY in the console race.but neglect the fact that sony is outselling them each month.

yes,in america it's small.but in japan,it's by thousands each week.and after MGS4,it's something like 77,000 to 1500 consoles sold.we don't yet know what the sales in america or europe are to say.but when you have microsoft saying 5 million lead just a month ago,when it used to be 10 million,that should tell you something.and it will only get better for sony and worse for microsoft.microsoft will need a miracle.

it's not a race to 5 years,it's sales to reach 100 million in 10 years or less as what sony wants.the only thing microsoft is doing is pushing sony to unify the company to beat microsoft decisively.because microsoft is well past the ability to sell 10 million consoles a year.competition and fanbase for nintendo an sony prevents that.no matter how low 360's price goes.

apocalypse.......
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Jinxstar - 108 days 6 hours ago
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While I agree with you I don't think Meus really talked about that. Sony has done a lot of things right but failed with initial high price and all that... They were c0cky and payed for it with a late entry into this gen and a lot of 360 owners don't feel like switching now. Essentially all he is talking about is sales not the quality of the systems...
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JAKESPLACE_ - 108 days 5 hours ago
6 - hey TOOLBAG
mayb da Wii but 360 really, i had a 360 bout a year or so b4 ma PS3 and i've exchanged ma 360 almost 12 times due to red ring, ive totally given up now, dats the console u say will win over SONY, ok Mr.tool lettin out his feelings in a blog, yes u do have ur opinion but dats why ya got a comment section for pple to tell u how tooly ur thoughts are TOOLBg
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Says you - 108 days 5 hours ago
7 - Shutup you Loser considering you are the biggest LOSER
In here and plus Microphony are the humongous losers considering they cant make anything right even software and buy out corporations that would be a threat to them and even steal ideas more often then any corporation does and there the father of all lies!.
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socomnick - 108 days 4 hours ago
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Wow a ps3 owner voices his dissatisfaction with his ps3 and everyone turns on him :/. It seems like ps3 fanboys on this site are like 12 years old. Thats why they are fanboys because they cannot afford both systems and have no choice but to support the ps3. Dont be twats own both and if you cant shut your fanboy garbage. Also Meus dont listen to the idiots.
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RAF-TECH - 108 days 2 hours ago
9 - I got the MGS4 bundle.
499.99 canadian...
80gig + Dual Shock + MGS4

all in all... The PS3 will end up in 3rd.
to be honest.... The line-up for the PS3 will never catch up to the 360's

The install base for the 360 is huge with a respectable ratio in software sales. The 360 ushered the nex-gen with features the PS3 is still catching up to. With the performance of 3rd parties delivering crappy products of multiplatform titles to the PS3, It's hard for me to even think about buying any other games except exclusives on the PS3.

The PS3 has lost this gen.

By the time PS3 even hits 20mill....the X-box will have a new system and microsoft will correct their mistakes.."RROD"

and I may get disagrees by the PS3 fanboys... but really.
I have it.. bought and payed by my OWN money.. (not mommy and daddy's money)..
The PS3 is gonna stay 3rd.

so currently... Blu-ray movies are still expensive..
so......my ps3 is still just an MGS4 player
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JVIDICAN - 108 days 1 hour ago
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microsoft doesnt "win" if they quit while there still ahead
the gen will just continue without them
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dachiefsman - 106 days 10 hours ago
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totally in the same boat with yea. I bought a 40 gig PS3 wanting specifically for MGS4. While the purchase is worth it, I don't see myself playing it that much until R2 or KZ2 comes out. I have been playing quite a bit of Resistance and honestly think it is a dismal game. People are talking up R2 like it will be the second coming, but it will have to do a lot to impress me.

PS3 is still far behind in my book, as far as comparing Sony and MS in the console race.
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The_Truth_Itself - 108 days 1 hour ago
10 - I agree with you and I, for one used to be a true Sony fan.
Sony has literally in my eye lost its way. People ask why it relies on Final Fantasy to sell the system, well perhaps its because Sony has got itself into an impossible situation where it can not create games for the life of itself that can sell the system.

I've always said that those franchises would be a blessing but ultimately a curse, to the Sony brand. The Sony brand still to this day does not have an effective killer app- something made by Sony only which screams to every gamer all over "I will buy a playstation" such as the insanely hyped Halo or Gears of War.

I believe that Sony possibly theorized that this console war would be easy and they would just sit back and let all the talent come to them first and then they'd just collect the money.

Sony has learned the hard way that the world doesn't work that way and I think if Sony had any choice in this matter, they would drop Final Fantasy immediately and let it go multiplatform.

But it has not worked in this company's favor. Like it or not, the Sony brand can not give up Final Fantasy because they can not create a game still to this day that is as high selling as Final Fantasy or with that broad appeal.

Most of their efforts have been miserable failures, such as Dark Cloud and Folklore. Most of their teams can not duplicate the success of Fable. They are living in the past still, not the future. Final Fantasy is more popular than the entire playstation console anyway. It grew up on Nintendo, and everyone worldwide knows about it.

Looking at the reality of the situation it seems that somewhere Sony took a wrong turn. They ignored their developers, the very real calls for help with the struggles of next-gen development, and instead relied on this foolish promise that their brand would do the selling. Without Final Fantasy 13, the PS3 would be dead in the water.

Now as for the impact of this very real situation, why don't you look at this?
http://xbox360.ign.com/obje...

While the Final Fantasy trailers shown at TGS were extremely impressive, I was overwhelmed with a feeling of true depth in a game that I've never had before when I watched these trailers. Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean 4 for instance, touched deep into me in a way which really struck at my soul.

Nothing in the Final Fantasy trailer came close although it was still brilliantly executed. And for those who complain that Microsoft Japan is buying exclusives, why the hypocritical double-standard when it is Sony Japan who does the same thing?

I think anyone can admit here, that Sony purchased Metal Gear Solid 4 and four separate games of the RPG Final Fantasy 13. Otherwise they would have never gone exclusive. I think there's alot of fans of those games who have every right to be extremely upset about that, especially the underhanded way Sony rubbed it in their faces.

There are plenty of fans of those games or of the Valkyrie Profile games who would love to enjoy them on the 360 who won't touch Sony.

Now they'll never have a chance to, but who can blame them?

Sony has shown they have virtually nothing to truly be excited for that will embolden everyone besides Final Fantasy/Metal Gear. Most of their first party offerings have fallen flat on their face.

And no matter what anyone says a high selling franchise like that has to be fought. So no one can blame Microsoft for doing the same. They locked down Ninja Gaiden, Star Ocean and the amazing Infinite Undiscovery series to compete with Sony Japan-- And fight back with a vengence against the barrage of sales Final Fantasy and Persona 5 are likely to generate.

And they locked down Tales of Vesperia to fight back against them as well as the PS3 Bundle Special Edition Metal Gears in Japan. Its business period. I doubt the Fantasy series will sell as much as the older ones since its so outdated now. But it will still be these games against eachother, and MS is gaining the upper hand because they're now getting better at being noticed in the Japanese market.

Ultimately Atlus has put its strategy RPG games on 360 exclusively with no PS3 release planned remember. They are Operation Darkness, Spectral Force 3, and Zoids Assault. Those are all very good and won't be on PS3. Its definitely not Disgaea, which PS3 gets exclusively. But it is a big deal when you are the underdog in Japan. 360 will fight back ruthlessly in Japan to fully succeed in the market. That's what they are after and no one can blame them.

No one can blame Sony for the same thing in North America only if they were smart, they would give their developers the ability to create exclusive games which sell the system. First party games, RPGs made by Sony/SCEA which blow everyone away, Franchise Games.

http://xbox360.ign.com/obje...
Instead of forcing third party studios like S-E to create Final Fantasy after Fantasy, shoving them out the door on cellphones and even 360/pc, in order to somehow "prove" they can sell their system.

Sony has an internal problem of epic proportion. They need to humble themselves to recognize it instead of blaming the other, like MS. Or else it will haunt their console everywhere and cause them to lose nearly all their developers.
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cito35th - 108 days 1 hour ago
11 - @meus
"it never reached the 2:1 ratio (or more) that is needed for it to be in 2nd place by 2009" so all the months ps3 is outselling the 360 means nothing? and guess you are forgeting that 360 had a year head start AND PS3 STILL OUTSOLD 360 EVERY WHERE IN THE WORLD OTHER THAN USA (soon very soon)
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Apocalypse Shadow - 108 days ago
12 - anyone that believes sony is on microsoft's TIME TABLE are fooling themselves.
sony wasn't on nintendo's time table.sony wasn't on sega's time table.and again with gamecube or xbox.

sony is on THEIR time table.and they know good and well when they release their big guns,the gap between 360 and ps3 will decrease.anyone that says ps3 won't sell when FF releases is fooling themselves.or that sony is only relying on old franchises like microsoft is.

the problem is,microsoft's fanbase were sold on the idea that you got to have everything NOW.like children....

NOW,NOW,NOW!

but sony is thinking behind the scenes on when their movie download service is ready,when their music download service is ready,when home will be ready to shine,when their in house games are ready.and so on.as i said,they do not care what microsoft is doing.when sony releases all that content,microsoft is in trouble.microsoft has no movies,no music and a small amount of games.

microsoft is making sony combine their services under one roof.making them all talk and interact with each other.that's a lot of movies,music and games that microsoft can't compete with.and that's excluding third party games.and all we be able to be played or interact with ps3.and ps3 will just keep getting cheaper for the masses to have an all in one system.

they sold over 10 million consoles without the ps2 franchises,and when they do hit,we will be seeing a whole different thing on who is first,second and third.i'm pretty much done with bandwagoners who jump on and off like fleas.

E3 will be all you need to know on what sony wil have planned on catching and passing microsoft.and that will lead into 2009.and all i'm going to do is look back and see how foolish some gamers were as they were with ps1/ps2."it's not the same!"things will be different."

jumping the gun and saying "we won we won!"when in REALITY,it's.."we just BEGUN."

apocalypse.................ab out 3 more weeks..........
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durran3 - 106 days 10 hours ago
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lol i laughed at your comments.. Yes i want my games NOW!! i am a 24 year old guy who comes from work and when i come home i immediately want to play and NOT Wait and till now the Xbox 360 has served me tremendously well... 90% of all 360 games make it to the market in time and i love it... i go buy the game come home and pop it in.. play it go out and than hit the bed :p...

If your a GAMER waiting SUCKS... hola
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Nitrogen - 107 days 20 hours ago
13 -
Xbot
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Linzoid - 107 days 19 hours ago
14 - Xbox360 Sales
You cannot compare Xbox360 sales to PS3 sales. How many people out there have had to replace their Xbox360 due to RRoD? I have a mate who is a massive Xbox fan and he has replaced his Xbox360 twice so he has had a total of three xbox360s!
Also how many hardcore Xbox fans updated their original Xbox360 to an Xbox360 Elite to get the updated features?

I would have loved to see the sales of both consoles had they both been released on the same day. I think it would be a lot closer between Microsoft and Sony.
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GiantEnemyCrab - 107 days 3 hours ago
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Not that I agree or disagree. Let me just say a console sold is a console sold.
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Linzoid - 106 days 16 hours ago
14.2 - @GiantEnemyCrab
I agree with what you have have said, fair point.
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Says you - 107 days 16 hours ago
15 - Wow RAF-TECH is such an idiot Sony hasn't even become
Close to lose this gen cause if they are how come they are actually kicking the crap! out of the XBox 360 you guys just keep lying to yourselves like I told Xbox is the BEST you XBox 360 fans would rather face a lie then the truth

and kewlkat007 its seems you don't know the history on what happens if you think its not going to repeat itself think again considering you better get use to learn the history all over again considering Dreamcast was out first and look what happened

and please RAF-TECH the software ratio for the PS3 is higher now and the install base for the 360 is not getting bigger compare to the PS3 considering the PS3 is probably 3 million behind it nice try on spinning the facts what is this spin city??

and you get the notion to think that PS3 still is getting bad ports hate to tell you it doesn't anymore

Burnout paradise better on PS3

Call of Duty 4 better on PS3

and you think when Microsoft releases a new console you think there going to learn from there first two mistakes considering the first two had the "RROD!" its Microsoft we're talking about there not an electronic corporation like Sony they probably will never learn from there first to infact you would have think they would have learned from the first one!

and RAF-TECH its pretty obvious your an XBox 360 fan and you don't know what your talking about and plus I bet you did ask your mommy and daddy for money anybody can lie on the internet but me I'm actually telling facts and opinions, you are just talking rubbish!.
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durran3 - 106 days 10 hours ago
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umm.. i have both consoles.. i didn't see any difference between CoD4 between the two please stop BS'ng.

CoD4 is best on the PC FYI
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IaMs12 - 107 days 11 hours ago
16 - SONY has been in this for their 3rd console
Sony has been in the gaming business for a long time, with start of PS1... they are at their 3rd console so think Microsoft is behind 1 and they are doing as of right now better... who knows what the Xbox 360 or whatever would be called be if they were in the consoles back with PS1... a lot better IMO, you have to take that into some consideration MS is fairly newer to this, SONY has been through the years.. they are doing pretty damn good for a 2nd console when SONY is on its 3rd.. wait till MS is on its 3rd while SONY will be a 4th..

but it does seem SONY has got the snowball rolling down the hill now, as it slowly becomes bigger
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DevonTheDude535 - 107 days 9 hours ago
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"Microsoft came on top in the following periods and Grand Theft Auto's launch"

Since when, in overall software sales, thats all. Console sales were higher for the PS3 in the month of May (GTA4 came out 4/29) which means that the 360 did not come out on top. Regarding software sales in the first weak alone it sold less on PS3, but if you consider the install base more PS3 owners have a copy of GTA4 almost 2:1 according to NPD numbers relative to 360 GTA 4 owners.

"What people often forget to mention when they see those NPD numbers, is not simply who has outsold in regards to these two but by the margin of sales which is the most critical here."

Just like I said more PS3 owners have a copy of GTA 4 relative to the overall install base.

"Even with the biggest hopes for Metal Gear, there are no other recognisable system sellers for the platform this year other than possibly the rumoured Final Fantasy release."

You haven't heard of Resistance 2 or Little Big Planet then.

(PS I own both a 360 and PS3)

"I don't see Sony finishing anything but 3rd this generation,"

You haven't heard of a format called blu-ray have you, plus its expected that sony will overtake in 2011 not 09'. I consider the entire scope of the market not just the gaming division alone.