I said the 360 was able to produce 1080p on day one. That is a fact. With all your checking, why don't you look up 1080p over component. It can be done, and 1080p over vga; guess what, it can be done. That answered and rebutted your claims.

Then you go and add 1080p at "60fps". Where was that in the disagreement i had with you. When Ridge Racer came out initially on 360, 1080p tv's weren't even prevalent. Why go this low and try to change up the argument. The link you placed even says that there were a limited number of TV's that would accept 1080p over component and vga. Come on now, that supports my argument. As i said, because of hollywood politics electronics manufactures mandated that 1080p only be done over a digital signal. Don't you know the politics of electronics. They then encoded it, with HDCP / AACS,so that if the tv's don't detect a digital signal, it wouldn't work.

Your argument is really biased against 360, and it's mostly untrue. Your links do not help you at all. The update was for hdmi, the 360 was still able to produce 1080p on day one. That is the end of my argument.

And guess what, the 1080p is the ps3's claim to fame. The 360 never advertised that it was a must for true HD. That was Sony's big claim. And it doesn't help you or them that the ps3's even 1st party games aren't all 1080p with 60fps. I mean, the big, powerful, and all mighty ps3, still isn't producing only 1080p at 60fps NATIVE games. Wow, what a let down. just like BC.....

"HDMI is basically yet another wire that connects a console and the TV, but what makes it special is the signal it sends (both audio and video) is completely digital. Consequently, it is able to support HDCP / AACS, a new copy-protection technology that will some day be required for playback of Blu-ray/HD-DVD at full resolution, if Image Constraint Token (ICT) is ever implemented by the Hollywood studios.

The other connections capable of carrying an HD signal (and the only ones currently supported by the Xbox 360) are Component and VGA. Both are analog connections, which means that they can't support HDCP / AACS. They are also subject to interference if the cables run too close to masses of power lines. The really big problem with Xbox 360's lack of HDMI support, however, is the that only a limited number of 1080p-capable HDTVs can accept the signal via analog inputs."

^^ that's an excerpt from one of your links.... We the logically minded people call self pwnage.

p.s. you want to talk about subpar resolution. Let's just not, some games come to mind, ummmm... GTA4 and Soul Caliber, just to name a couple. come on, stop with the nonsense. It's almost as bad as the hysteria behind PSN only has dedicated servers....LOL View

through vga and component, at that.

The problem is, is that because of hollywood, they made it so that the tv's could only detect 1080p through a digital signal and not an analog.

Come on, you are going to talk about facts, but yet you spew misinformation. The 360 could produce 1080p from day one. HDMI is not needed to produce 1080p, that is a fact. They put HDMI in to cater to the hollywood mandates. What MS underestimated was the politics of electronic regulations.

Why not then address that on day one, the ps3 was incompatible with many tv's and could not even do 1080i. It would knock resolution down to 480p. Not only that, it didn't even come with a HDMI cable to appreciate it's HD capabilities. Wouldn't you say that is unfair to the consumer. You advertise HD out of the box, but if you were to take everything it came with, you wouldn't be able to experience HD gaming or movie playback until you went out and bought the appropriate cables.

Seriously, how fair is that to the consumer? Be reminded, i'm talking about day one. View

but since MS has done something about it, they are holding themselves accountable.

None of you could address what has happened prior to the 360 with the ps2's and ps1's. None of you...

All i keep hearing is that MS rushed, so what, they are holding themselves accountable. They admitted there was a problem, and gave people a free fix for 3 years if it ever reared it's ugly head.

But that's not enough for you 360 haters. You want MS to go back in time and fix the issue before it happens. But i'm sorry, they haven't created time travel yet.

That's what i don't understand. All you haters here on N4G that hate the 360 and don't even want one are here complaining here, I guess, for those without a voice..... I don't know what you guys are trying to accomplish.

I could understand if MS did nothing, then there would be a reason to be in an uproar, but MS has done something. Why all the fuss?

It's just retarded to keep beating this dead horse. Drop it already. You don't like the system, you don't like it's games, yet you obsessively come on here bashing it. That's completely asinine behavior.

Grow up, what's wrong with you people. And then i see some posts worshipping other companies, as if they have done nothing wrong, when they have a well know track record with all their products. What is really wrong with you people. Fanboys and fans be da*ned, this sick devotion is getting scary....

Edit: @Darkride66.... companies don't have hearts. It's called accountability and responsibility. Why don't you tell me why Sony didn't acknowledge their DRE problem before the class action lawsuit? What happened there. I mean since you are looking for goodness in a company. they are here for money and profits, and they have a responsibility to their share holders. I'm sure they consider that you might enjoy their product, but at the end of the day, they are here to make money. I can't stand talks of goodness, when in reference to major companies. Some of you really are ignorant (lacking knowledge). Or you have a detached sense of reality.

And where do you get this they lied to consumers speech from. Apparently you are on N4G just a tad bit too much. They didn't and still haven't released information on the actual percentage of failures. But i see you, like all the 360 haters on n4g, have plugged in that fabled 33%. Wow, just more fanboy fodder. Stop the nonsense. They admitted they did not know of the issue until the release of the console and they started getting complaints. They then contributed the problem to the quality of the solder that they used on the motherboards. It was because of a restriction where they were manufacturing the consoles, in Mexico. But the addressed the issue, and made a way to compensate those afflicted. How many companies with massive issues ever do something like that. Not that many show accountability. View

What did he say about Mirrors Edge, he complained that all the previews were only showing the Parkour part, that he wanted to see more of the action sequences or when you are being chased.

Wow, "oh no he didn't", yeah that was a big major diss to the game. Please, some of you need to grow up. How'd he diss MGS4, hmmmmm... he said the game was more passive then his type of game....

Uh oh, another major diss, da*n this man is harsh. Really, that's what some of you are calling dissing other developers. Some of you seriously need to not take things so seriously.

Aren't you some of you at all curious to why the interviewers are asking him these types of questions. What's he suppose to say, every game is great and his is just o.k. Get real....

I think i hear more elitess snobbish rhetoric in here then anything he has ever said. But then again, that's just my observation and opinion.

Haters have to hate.... As Kat Williams has always stated. View

Bubbles to you. The guy rants but doesn't quote anything. I have not seen Cliffy B. say anything damaging to the success of Gears. This is just a flamebait article, and William Usher wants hits. Plain and simple.

If i were the developers of such a great game, i would be excited about it too. He is a bit cliche, but he is who he is. I sense a lot of haters are going to love this article. So they can join in on the bashing, but some people really need to grow up.

Is it wrong to be excited about your product? Not everyone has to be cool, calm, and collect. The fact that the developer is in love with his own product is a plus in my book. That shows me, in my opinion, that he/her was passionate about their product and have a real attachment to it.

But as usual, when you are a big success, you will always have haters. Leave the guy alone, and let him celebrate his and his crews success.

The real issue should be the questions interviewers are asking him. That should be the primary thing to criticize. I guess everyone wants him to be modest and say "my game is alright", please.... I'm happy he's happy.

Sorry bout the rant, but i think this is a stupid article, which can't even support their own claim. I don't need fanboys and Cliffy haters giving me links and whatever, I said "this article" doesn't give proof. View

but i went into the demo with no expectations and very little Banjo and Kazooie experience.

It was a fun demo, and i lost 5 hours just running around the home world.

the graphics in my opinion are beautiful, the controls are tight, the animations are smooth, and i can't wait to see what the story is about.

It's a fresh direction on the 360, which has accomplished what the original XBox couldn't, and that's diversify it's games.

Great time to be a gamer..... View

i lost about 5 hours on the demo, and the game looks absolutely beautiful. Plus, it's different. I like the fact that there is no other game on 360 like it. It is definately a change of pace.

You can't knock Rare for trying to do something new.... I say keep up the good work. The animations are great, the level of depth is great, the graphics are great, don't know much about the story, but so far, it looks like a buy for me.

Great time to be a gamer.... that's all i have to say.... View

great comment... bubbles to you...

@ thezink....? How is what he stands for against what you believe in? Is it that Healthcare should be a RIGHT, that the middle-class that make up over 90% of this government should get a tax break and that the rich should be taxed more then the poor. That we shouldn't be in Iraq, since Osama was never there. That we should try to sit down with enemies and allies alike and try and do things in a humane way.

Do you know what the real attack of 9/11 was (besides the conspiracy theories), it was an attack on our economy. Now look at our economy, i would say that they have succeeded in what they were trying to do. Not only is our economy floundering, we are spending millions a day to keep this war going in a country that never asked for our help (though appreciate it to some extent) but their government is running with a SURPLUS. And we are digging ourselves deeper into debt.

As selfish as it sounds, we need to fix home first. We can not afford to be the world police. Wasn't that the whole reasoning behind the UN. Why can't we work with other countries on doing things, we can't afford to run a preemptive war-like government and expect to survive. All we'll do is create more enemies and push away our allies. Then where will we be.

The pen can be mightier then the sword, and for our children sake, it better be. And we will need a wielder of such device. Because of this; it is my opinion that Obama is the best candidate we have for wielding such a powerful device. We should be civilized enough to be able to sit down with our enemies and work something out that won't cost people their lives. View

yes, halo 3's development was started on the Original XBox, you are correct. View

i see you didn't address the name calling. Do you know the definition of ignorance?

I still see you saying that the 360 and Original XBox are basically the same. No they aren't, Original XBox had an Nvidia GPU and 360 has an ATI one. The ATI gpu is revolutionary in it's architecture and the 360's CPU was made by the same company that made the Cell. And guess what, IBM didn't gimp their own product. So stop with the name calling and trying to talk down to me. I am not a programmer, and i have never said i was one. But it doesn't take a programmer to see that Halo 3 was bungie's first outing on the 360. And your argument that MS helped them, what do you think Sony did for Insomniac. You sound like a very loyal Sony Fan. I mean you are kind of insinuating that Sony didn't help Insomniac and just left them out to figure everything out on their own. If Bungie were to make a Halo 4, i do believe that it would be superior to their "First" game on this console. For example, why don't you compare Halo 1 to Halo 2. There was a massive upgrade to what they could do, and then the original XBox was being called pc-like also.

And why would you compare Gears to Halo 3, they are entirely two different games. One is a 3rd person shooter, the other is a first person shooter. One utilizes more close quarter fighting, the other is more open worldly. Epic has their own propietary engine and Bungie has their own. You can't compare the two. Their respective play styles are too different. I love both of them and have already paid for my Gears 2 copy which i will be there for the Midnight Release. And i can't wait for Halo 3: Recon.

And if you can't understand what i said, let me re-iterate myself i said MS has better developer support. Where did you read that i said MS had better game developers? You need to take all that anger, and bias and take a deep breath, and then read what i initially said.

You showed a clear lack of knowledge when you said that 360 and the Original XBox were the same or "very similar". You showed a clear lack of knowledge when you said Halo 3 was not Bungie's 1st attempt on the 360. You showed a clear lack of respect for me, when you referred to me as being dumb and not knowing it. You also showed a clear lack of observational skills when you didn't realize that Sitdown was not arguing with me and that i was not criticizing him.

Your defense of R2 and the PS3; has you coming off as more f@nboyish or you are exhibiting f@nboy-like behavior, and someone who can't hold a decent conversation. So if you respond to me, i won't be giving you a response back if you continue with the name calling or disrespectful behavior.

P.S. just a quick side note, if i was a programmer, i would want a system to program for that is easy and programmer/developer friendly. Complexity doesn't always equate to being more powerful or better. Sometimes synergy is a more admirable trait. View

Great points made. I would give you another bubble, but it won't let me.

I don't understand how they try to assimilate Halo "3" and it's number of releases with regard to the 360. He shows clear ignorance by stating that since it's Bungie's 3rd Halo game that they were some how experienced on the 360 before with the other games. Clear and definitive ignorance. Not only that, the Original XBox had a Nvidia gpu, and the 360 goes with ATI with an advanced architecture that is starting to come out on current pcs. What's more ridiculous is that they keep saying that the 360 is easier to develop for because it's more pc-like. Yeah O.K., how many pc's have a triple core processor, with and advanced graphics card with daughter die, and propietary systems, and by the way; the cpu happens to be an in-order-execute cpu?

The 360 is easier to develop for because MS built it that way, and they have great developer support. Stop with the pc-like nonsense. You can easily say that the PS3 is pc-like then. Let me play into your nonsense and show how at the base of your argument, if the 360 is pc-like then so is the ps3; it has a cpu, gpu, ram, a hdd, and a form of disk drive. Guess what, all pc's have that; argument now moot. Sony doesn't have the same developer support and have just made it harder to develop for because of their architectural design. But if you want to regurgitate that same argument that the 360 is pc-like, well, then so is the ps3 View

i agree with most of what you said, but daishi was saying how ridiculous it would be, that was not his original comment. I don't understand the reasons behind the comparisons. But i guess the King will always be challenged, and like it or not Halo 3 is the King of console shooter exclusives. No console exclusive shooter has beat it yet. And it's constantly being updated with new content.

I'm not a real big fan of HipHopGamer. And he is predominately a PS3 fan, that's why i don't understand him trying to come off as not biased. He shows his bias with many of his titles, and some of them are made to try to get hits and feed this whole fanboy war. But i whole heartedly disagree with his statements. A game that hasn't even come out yet, that in no point has he played the game completely forward and back, and has experienced most of what it has had to offer; can he make an assessment that this game is better then one that is a year old and has stood the test of time. Especially it being on the top of Live, on the console with the most online activity. How could he make such a statement is beyond me.... View

what happened to the detail...? View

finally someone with some common sense...

But i hope you do realize that the same applies to the PS3.

The specs they feed the fanboys are all at max in a very controlled environment, both consoles are not capable of attaining those spec numbers in a real world environment.

Both fans and fanboys of both sides need to understand that.

But there is something to be said, the architecture of one relies heavily on a more Synergistic approach, versus the other. And developers have stated that too. View

it's how the game flows all together. Not every game needs to have an upwards of 30 people online. The structures of some games wouldn't make good use of that number of people.

It's all about the experience within the game. R2 is built to have high player counts, but it doesn't mean that you'll get a worse experience from a game with less player counts. The game with less player counts may have it's strengths in some other aspect of the game.

It all boils down to the experience generated when playing the game. You can't just try to cut and paste the specs of one game and try to lay them over another game and say see this is better because of this.... It just doesn't work that way.

I don't have a ps3, but i have always kept my eye on Insomniac. They are a really creative developer, them and Naught Dog. So when i decide to get a ps3 (probably a 60gig from Ebay), their games are probably going to be my first purchases. View

is that ps3 fans will quickly legitimize these screen grabs and say that they prove what they thought, but yet so quickly denounce other screen grabs that they don't agree with.

wow, just wow....

The person that attached this one: http://img355.imageshack.us... got nothing but disagrees, but you all agree with this guys links.

truly pathetic. View

I understand what you are saying, but my main question is who cares if there is an ulterior motive. Why can't we just be happy for the kids. Do some people really need to be pessimistic.

Seriously, who cares if MS is trying to boost their image. The fact that these little kids, who are basically struggling to survive can have a little bit of joy throughout their day should be bigger then any kind of publicity MS is possibly seeking. Why can't we just recognize that, why look for the dirt that can never be really proven. View

i doubt the fanboys need any defense. And to dark, he didn't completely generalize, he said some; not all. View

you are a sad individual. We as gamers shouldn't care about anything. What is your problem, and then this is a tactic to avoid dealing with the 3 flashing lights. What is your deal?

You've got a serious problem, and maybe you should really get that checked. The world doesn't revolve around gaming. How old are u? Just curious, because a mature adult could not have possibly let those statements leave their lips. View

come on, show some sense of maturity. This is actually sick. Do some of you get off saying things like that. Some of your maturity levels are none existent.

Imagine if you are a parent with a sick child and all you can picture is your child in bed suffering with nothing to really take their mind off of what they are going through.

This is a good gesture, and if they make friends in the hospital, the kiosk can link together and they can play against each other.

If some of you can't see the good in this, then you are a sick lot.

Some of you are really happy with this "Internet Anonymity" View