I'm skating on thin ice then...
But I still want to say, that if given a chance to hang out with that Ebert fella, I would spend the entire time with him playing Shadow of the Colossus, big screen, speakers blazing, eyes crying. If at the end, he wasn't convinced that games can equal, if not surpass art, (no point in even mentioning that urinal, we know what bodily fluid games dispatch into it) then...I don't know, he's hopeless. I guess it just seems so obvious to me that games can very well be artistic, that words are wasted arguing, you know what I mean?
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