Last time I checked wasn't it the 360 that had most of its titles 360/PC especially the exclusives? So shouldn't it be the 360 that is more affected by onlive...... even though I'm not anywhere near optimistic about onlive's chances to totally change the landscape of console gaming I just think that MS has more to lose than either nintendo and Sony. View

Here is the my basic opinion of your intent. I can't understand why you would have to throw GT5 into your writing, because it just does not fit. Hell we don't even know when we will see GT5. Since you went along and used (somewhat disrespecting the work of PD) GT5 to bring eyes to your article you better damn well stand behind NFS when the game is released. DO NOT VANISH when the game is released and preforms under the very high stands of the GT series. Be accountable to your words/research and stand by the all the way to the bitter end. View

Look friend I have don't know what "rimjawing" is, and it is obvious that I have more reading comprehension than a 3rd grader. what I don't understand is how a conversion between two disagreeing gamers has resluted in an insult laced reply? This is the reason why I choose to keep a hands off approach to this site and it looks like you have really made my decision final. A majority of the time on this site, there is no friendly exchange because a "gamer" such as yourself feels insulted the minute his "unbiased opinion" is challenged in anyway. Instead of trying to make your points more valid you let your fustration cause you to throw out dumb comments such as "rimjawing", which in turn destroys any viable and real discussion we were once having. So I congradulate you friend for for your achievement of understanding the art of adult conversion/discussion.

Apart from that I do agree both games are great and both games deserve the credit for what they bring to the FPS genre and to videogames as a whole. View

Regardless of how YOU feel to define yourself, I made my point about how you decided which game should retain "the crown". I, in no way defined you as a member of this site, nor will I. But I will let you in on my history with this site so you know exactly who you are converstating with. I have been on this site from its very humble beggings, since before it was N4G.com. Trust me I'm not in anyway new here, I just prefer to take a more hands off approach nowadays friend. Now that we offically know eachother maybe we can continue this discussion without getting anyone's feelings hurt in such a way as we have to tell eachother who we are and are not.

I started my reply to your post by saying I respect your opinion, but I am really lost as to your standards. Please explain why sales, ratings and players would in any way effect your overall enjoyment of either game? If CoD4 had a rating of 5 out of 10 would it be any less fun?

I persoanlly don't know the overall rating, players or sales of either game (I don't really care to know either) but I do know both games represent the best FPS's out on the market today. I feel the overall depth of Killzone2, with the making of squads, job class system and depth in each level design coupled with the ever changing warzone atmosphere give Killzone 2 the added edge FOR ME. There's really not a FPS out that can match the level of entertainment (visually, depth, fun factor, variety ect) I enjoy while playing this game and that has NOTHING to with how many units its sold, players online or some semi-proffesionals opinion/rating. View

I respect your opinion but it really annoys me that your entire opinion is based off SALES, PLAYERS AND RATINGS..... Seriously how does any of that effect which game is more entertaining to you? I mean sales alone isn't even an fair point given that CoD4 is multiplatform, the same can said about players........ that only give you point left to argue which is ratings. I don't want to sound like an A-hole but you do realize that all ratings are are other peoples opinion of a game(which can easliy be swayed under certain situations)

A more convincing arguement would be made if you just used your our personal experience with both games to prove your point. Whichever game you perfer is fine by me because both games are great but I just find it so hard to understand why anyone would use Ratings, Sales, or Players to prove which game they prefer.

I personally perfer Killzone2 (read my above statement as to why) but CoD4 is also a great game better suited for other gamers.

Please lets not let things like sales, ratings or players sway our opinions into which games are better. It kind of makes all gamers look ignorant, niche games like flower, flow, ect ect are great games that don't have anywhere near the sales players or ratings lets not degrade them on those facts alone. View

In my humble opinion CoD4 never really had a FPS crown. I guess the fact that CoD4 didn't really have the depth to keep me into the online aspect of the game is a real fault of the game overall. Killzone 2 is just on another whole level as far as I am concerned. Graphics wise, gameplay wise and overall fun wise it completly trumps CoD4.

The gameplay changes with each new objective in Killzone 2, completly changing the gameplay elements every 5 or so minutes and makes gamers not only work together for victories but challenges gamers who choose certain job classes to play at different angles throughout the game. The gamplay alone is what makes the game so exciting to play because of the balance and so many elements going on all at once.

GG really out did themselves with this game, CoD4 is a great game for a pick upand play type setting but it fails to really get gamers involved on the level Killone2 does. The statment "war perfected" really puts things into perspective because it takes teamwork and really an understanding of your job and squad to really dominate this game. CoD4 is really a more single player online experience where teamwork isn't as needed, one player can totally dominate the multiplayer aspect of the game.

Seriously I am exctited everytime I turn on my ps3 and ready to play some warzone, a few beers and my clan members included and I'm off for hours. I love the controls and the total feel of the game. Overall as a gamer this is the kind of game that moves the bar so other developers step their game up, the end result is exciting because now developers have to raise the bar instead of stream rolling FPS's out the gate.

I'm seriously awaiting the next game that can trump a game like Killzone2, what a great time to be a gamer!

Psn is Sumtynnaztee clan= wWw (worldWide westside)

The next game on my radar is zipper's M.A.G. View

Aquired by me ill be playing in less than 10 mins. Went to walmart picked up the 1st of 5 copies they had!

Psn I'd sumtynnaztee

Let the killing begin! View

Sony doesn't "need" those games to come out in 09, if they do than that would be great. I can wait til early 2010 for GOW3 and MAG, the most important part is to make sure those games are right when they do come out. View

A complete moron his #1 favorite thing about killzone2 MP online is..... the special code he got from the developer to unlock everything? That is unacceptable to me, how does that hype anyone for the game or let gamers know more about killzones's mp? 5-2 were good but he and xplay gave a epic fail for the #1 spot. Anyways xplay's review for K2 is tomorrow and I hope it is more imforative than this was! View

I really think the Playstation brand made games "cool" for adults and acceptable for those who thought gamers were all nerds. Sony really gave developers the hardware, space to create and be creative, and confidence to make really great games aimed at different age groups and genders. Don't forget a game like GTA3 could have been truly damaging to Sony and the PS brand BUT sony took that chance and didn't step on rock*'s toes. It was a high risk, high reward type process and Sony having the industry in it's control didn't have to stick it's neck out in that way but they did.

I think more important than just the innovation factor (that list is too damn long to write out), it's the fact that Sony has basically gave these great developers/artist a great big open space, took a step back and watch these developers/artist create the games they invisioned. Great hardware is one thing but to have the mindset of letting these game developers have the space to break the mold and branch out into different areas of gaming has really been Sony's greatest achievment. View

Some gamers these days really aren't making complaints to get things changed its all just fanboy flamebait garbage. I'm so tired of all this crying about "y" console or "z" console. A 10-20 minute install (required or not) doesn't effect me in the least, seriously its not a big deal. I didn't install SF4 because loading screens don't bother me. I was alittle more bothered by the texture loading at the beginning of UT3 at the start of games (even after the intall).

Killzone 2 is 4 days away and I couldn't be anymore excited. Gamers game and fanboy compllain. View

PS3 is here and is here to stay. Sony has done a great job at strengthing their weakest parts of their gaming model and have done an absolutly great job out outlasting the competition after coming to the gaming market late! With great AAAA titles on the horizion and great reliable hardware to play those games on the only question left if WHY DON'T YOU OWN A PS3?

E3 should and will tell us the direction of all three companies and Sony is holding the cards to put the others into submission. Better show up MS and nintendo or be left behind View

If sony can pull off this lineup in 2009 the only question left to gamers would be why DON'T you have a PS3? MS better have more than one jaw dropper at E3 or its cancel christmas for them. I love me some GOW3 but I have to say my #1 game I'm looking forward to is MAG! One thing is for sure that the pressure is definetly on both MS and Nintendo to show up and show up BIG, and as a gamer I would not have it anyother way! Its time to put up or shut up because with that lineup Sony is showing a straight flush(I'm from vegas) and its time to show them cards men!

Man am I excited for this years E3, and please MS AND nintendo don't let your big announcment be "we stole an exclusive" because that is getting real old! View

You lost bubbles because you are saying things that are simply untrue. It was/is not sony fanboys that are hyping up killzone 2. The reaon why killzone 2 has been hyped by the majority of media outlets (which has become both a blessing and a curse) is because GG actually met expectations after they were slammed at E3 showing that target cgi video!

You can't blame gamers for being hyped after GG did almost the impossible which is to meet the standard they laid out for themselves! I do agree PS3 fans have hyped this game to some extent, but can you really blame them? All gamers want out of reviews is an honest unbiased opinion and score based on the game, nothing more nothing less. Basically if you read this review you can take ANY FPS and instert its name into the headline and get the same result.

Killzone 2 is a great FPS period, and GG deserves the praise they get for the job they did considering the kind of pressure they were under. Shouldn't that be rewarded, shouldn't we as gamers get hyped for this? This is the kind of effort and hard work we should be seeing this generation and if we don't support it than why the hell would/should a developer raise the bar?

The fact that you hate or love the PS3 isn't the damn point! The point is we as gamers either want the bar raised with fresh ideas unreal graphics and limitless innovation or we want the same ole same ole..... if we don't support the developers and the games they make that exceed our standards than we can kiss it goodbye! GG did a hell of a job and any media outlet that chooses to not to take the proper time and use professionalism to give an honest and unbiased SHOULD AND WILL be given hell by gamers! View

MvC2 is the onlt PS2 game I have and refuse to sale ever! Hell ill even take MvC2 HD at this point. MvC2 is by far my all time favorite fighting game, that might change depending on if SF4 lives up to the hype. On my way to get it right now for PS3!

Damn capcom don't fu&*in let me down bring MvC3 out! View

Great reply, I was alittle worried that this site had lost all chances of becoming a place where gamers can discuss topics in a mature an ubiased way. View

I never said I hate or disliked DLC, my comment was directed at GTA4. I have no jealousy whatsoever and never will. Why is it that everytime someone doesn't agree with someones comment they have to call them a fanboy? because I enjoy playing warhawk with my cllanmates I am a fanboy? Your argument against warhawk is based off reviews which are other peoples opinion! How about you try the damn game b4 you talk friend.

@ air 1.. Innovation DONE RIGHT is supported. Example LBP, team ico games, flower, flow, Gow series halo series, eye toy, wii, blu ray, GTA3 ect ect ect

Innovation DONE WRONG is not supported, example LAIR, Mirrors edge, virtual boy, zune, haze, too human, ect ect ect View

I've been on this site from the very start, so I fully understand how defensive fanboys can be. What really concerns me is that all fanboys are so defensive of their console that they allow developers a pass when they release exclusive games/content on their system which is clearly not all it was hyped up to be. We as gamers need to critize developers who fall short of our standards regardless of affiliation becuase if we don't they will end up screwing us in the long run.

My opinion of GTA4 is that the game is not on par with GTA3 or san andreas! Its time rock* added some innovation to the GTA series and clearly Lost and Damned is more of the same, its not innovation. But rock* and MS both know 360 gamers will buy and support it even if it sucks(I'm not saying it does, I'm saying if it really did suck). They know people will flock to the game simply because of the name. Not me, ill spend my time playing SF4 (CE).

Agree or disagree if you want but at very least reply and state your reasons why you choose either. View

Well I guess we won't really know this year will shape up until both MS and Nintendo start to unviel what AAA games they have in store for gamers this year. I would be alittle uncomfortable if I only owned a wii or 360 because so far it's looking pretty dry from a 1st party/exclusive perspective.

I keep hearing everyone say wait until E3, but by the time we get to E3 half the year will be over. I don't expect GOW3 to come out this year(knock on wood) but that would really halp if it did come this holiday season.

The only company to show us anything to get excited over is sony so until the other two step it up we are really in the dark. Thank god we have killzone 2 and infamous coming out soon along with halo wars and GTA DLC and I guess RE5 even though I'm really not impressed with RE5 at all. Don't forget SF4 also drops today.

I'm really excited to see what kojima has to say at GDC, and hopefully we will get a offical street date for uncharted2.

The economy is down and it looks like it will get worst b4 it gets any better so who knows. I for one have a lot more games on my buying radar than last year starting with killzone 2, but I'm a hardcore gamer so I probably represent the minority. View

Thanks but no thanks MS/Rock*, GTA4 was overrated to me especially compared with GTA3 and San Andreas which were just so awesome to play.
I will be spending my time with SF4 and with my clan in warhawk(possibly yhe most underrated game this generation)

I hope that those gamers who are into GTA4 are able to download this and truly enjoy it, but its just not for me View