Storage on Xbox 360: MMOs Allowed To Require Hard Drive

In an unsurprising move (and already a precedent set by Final Fantasy XI, but ignored since), Microsoft confirmed at its Gamefest 2007 that studios working on server-based titles for Xbox 360 are allowed to require the hard drive for their games to run. Games allowed to participate in server-based's "bent rules" is decided on a case-by-case basis.

Microsoft will be asking developers to come up with a set amount of hard drive space to set aside for each game. For example, if World of Warcraft came to Xbox 360, Blizzard would have to tell Microsoft "the game's going to need 4GB of space," even if the game won't necessary install 4GB of content at the start.

[Fisher339]

makes since that they should

but it kinda giving the core ppl the shaft though

[Omegasyde]

even if you have a core, you can still upgrade your system...

Now if you could only play through HDMI cables, that would be giving people the shaft...and the tip, with a taste of from-unda cheese.

[gta_cb]

i think that any hardcore gamer that has brought a core system is stupid, they shold know about downloadable content, as for the premium which i own, i will prob either upgrade my HDD or trade in my premium for an Elite so i will deff have the space for all the games which require HDD space in the future.

[power of Green]

Just anti MS fud people know what they're buying when they buy it they'll ask why one 360 cost more than others.

Not really something 360 ownres care about they already spend cash the Sony fanboys are more concerned.

I don't think core owners worry about MMo's due to the fact they're told not to buy them if planning to play online. These are the things the shop employee's ask from concern but mostly tring to sell the more exspensive models this goes for even store workers.

Just more anti MS posts by a fanatic very good at fooling people in thinking he has no agenda.

[Bill Gates]

I repeat Micro$HAFT, with emphasis on the SHAFT.

Now that's what I call shafting it deep into the Core....AAAHAHAHAHHAA

[power of Green]

Go play your DVD player.

Comming in here talking about being shafted what happend to PS3 reaching for the sun(not a practical place to visit) or PS3 launch games will be untouchable for the 360 its whole life.

"An EA developer has called in to let us know that he believes the Xbox 360 will triumph over the PS3 due to its better performance and more rounded support. These claims come on the revelation that development of Army of Two on the Xbox 360 manages to yield a maximum of 60fps while the PS3 version struggles to reach 30fps".

PS3 and its dull colors and when it doesn't have the mud duck art style the colors are pale and non vibrant with piss poor lighting, pasted on textures and poor shadowing and bump mapping, PS3 can't even remember its name.

Shaft: clearance of the 60 giger only to go back to $600 consoles.

[bYkICr]

Sound to me like the dev is on the lazy side. You are always better with something your are good at. If you good at writing code for the 360 than the PS3 then you can always make 360 games better than PS3 because you write better code for 360. It does not mean that the 360 is a better machine than the PS3. So stop believe what poeple say and use your brain to make wise conclusion instead. Can you do that?

[cookiemonster]

let's be honest here. if you're getting an MMO, the chances are you're nerdy enough to know you should have a premium.

[deadpreacher]

I thought of the same thing!

[power of Green]

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[sticky doja]

And I will be one happy customer.

[Eclipticus]

yeah, if your nerdy enough too want to play a mmo than you own a HDD. pc, 360 or ps3.
now if they would incorparate the 360 gold memorship into the price of the mmos fees. i would tottaly love it, or an actual game that i dont mind playing like COH/COV.

[heavyarms]

the core people dont get the shaft if microsoft allows for user to hookup an external hard drive it should be no problem.

[WilliamRLBaker]

I mean its been that way for every other MMO...all of which there are ONE!
but I love 1ups lil nick at MS.

(and already a precedent set by Final Fantasy XI, but ignored since)
Ignored since? There is one MMO on the 360...and thats FFXI....so how has it been ignored?

[Excalibur]

I'm sooo tired of hearing people with core are getting the shaft because of this, that or the other.
If you choose or cannot afford and have to buy the lower end of “anything” how are you getting the shaft if upgrades more bells and whistles or whatever is available for the higher end models?
Maybe the people with the higher end 360’s are getting the shaft because devs do not make games “They” can’t play.
Bottom line it’s only a 100 bucks and what you get extra for that 100 bucks is well worth it.
Look at it this way a game and a half would cost you that hundred bucks, how many games do you own?
If you are a serious gamer then you should not have bought the core.

[bYkICr]

Agree. But MS had said that the 360 is for everyone...You understand, EVERYONE. My brother bought the Core because he cannot afford the Premium. 100$ is lots of money for a average 13 years old, you understand. If he could he would buy the Premium. He trusted MS when they said HDD isn't need for gameplay. Now I guess it does. Is this his fault? Can you tell me? I feel for him because he loves WoW and other MMO.
If you say it's only 100bucks, why not put 100bucks more and get a more advance PS3 instead? Isn't it worth it? if I build a 3000$ PC and 100bucks more wouldn't be a big deal. If I buy a 360 for 299, 100$ is 33% higher, not just ONLY 100$.

[bym051d]

First it's RPGs, what's next, adventure games? FPS?

When MS released the Core system, they made a commitment to the users saying that XBOX360 games would work on it. Now, that's not exactly the case.

What good are development requirements if you're not going to abide by them. In the past, I've thought MS did great things by make a set of standards for their devs (achievements, customizable music, etc.). Now, it seems that requirements are going to be acceptable, and the users are to suffer.

[BIadestarX]

People willing to play a monthly fee of $10-$22... will not have a problem buying a premium for $350.... or buying a hard drive if they have the core... most of these people only play one game! they are addicted to wherever MMO they play... and they spend a lot more money buying PCs to play them...

[kurruptor]

You people who say, "who cares it is only $100 more" are just ignorant.

You are probably the people who say PS3 is sooooo expensive. Well it was only $100 more than 360 Premium, so "who cares it is only $100 more".

Plus, on top of that, you seem to completely ignore the fact that MS lied. They convinced people the core would play all games, so people who are only into games, bought that system. Now MS is like, well you need it for some games.... thus forcing people to spend $100 more to play some games. That is so f'n messed up.

[Excalibur]

There are a couple of hundred games out there that will play on the 360 core so one or two more are made (that haven't been made yet) that that need the HD and folks are freaking out??? Are you f-ing kidding me?
So I guess it's unfair to have special editions of games, movies and such because the cost a bit more?
Gosh it's so unfair that some company is making HD-DVD and I only have a regular DVD...Boo Hoo!!
The 360 has been out over 2 years now and you don't expect the games to advance? Are you core folks serious?

[bym051d]

It's a big deal if that's the game you want to play.

And yes, technology advances, but a console should remain static. Super Mario Bros. 3 played on the NES machines that came out on day 1. Sure, you might have to blow on the cartridge slot, but it played.

[Excalibur]

A console should remain static?!?
No system updates
No bigger hard drives
No upgraded memory chips
No added HDMI ports and such..

A console should remain static? whatever.

So a console should never try to better itself?
Boy talk about all the complaints then.

If the game is such a big deal then come off the 89-100 bucks and upgrade you system or do without.

Why should those who have a system that can handle the games be made to suffer because you couldn't afford or didn't want to spend the extra 100 bucks?

[Adamalicious]

Once again the Core makes a liar out of Microsoft. For those saying it's not big deal - all you have to do is go back and read all the quotes out of Microsoft saying that this wold never happen and that the Core would support EVERY game.

You can put this on the shelf right next to them saying that they wouldn't introduce new features without an upgrade path for all models (the Core) <cough>HDMI<cough> .

I've always thought the Core was a mistake, and even bigger one than the 20 gig PS3, and this is just more evidence. Offering it at all was not in their customer base's best interest, only their bottom line, and that bums me out - particularly when it hampers game development - which, I don't think there's any way around saying that, it does.

Now, back to the Bioshock demo.

[Testo]

First idiot "Well I bought a Premium so people who play mmo's and games are smart enough to know that in the future you will need a HD!"
(Don't assume this type of thing about people, people are generally ...
idiots)

Second idiot "Well its only $100 bucks extra!"
(On a $350 system)

Third idiot "Well I haven't had the RROD so its obviously fanboys making stuff up"
(I know this has been beaten to death but stop bringing up the "Fony's got no gamez!" lines.

Fourth idiot "Well you obviously need a HD for Backward Compatibilty and half of the stuff on XBL"
(I'm techie and I had no clue that you would need a HD for this)

"I don't think core owners worry about MMo's due to the fact they're told not to buy them if planning to play online. These are the things the shop employee's ask from concern but mostly tring to sell the more exspensive models this goes for even store workers. "

Your assuming that people actually KNEW about any MMO's comming to the consoles....Because this was definately published by Fony and especially M$ "Buy a console with a hard drive or no W of W for you.

@POG... Please tell me you don't work in an electronics department.

[MK_Red]

Using WoW as example is interesting. Could World Of WarCraft arrive on 360!?