Uncharted: Drake's Fortune 'Wont fit on DVD9'

Playstation 3 exclusive title: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is coming in the fall of 2007. Evan Wells Co of Naughty Dog states that:

''We're leveraging every bit of technology in the PlayStation 3, from the blu-ray drive, I mean our game would just not fit in single DVD, it will have to be in multiple DVD's which isn't the way you want to play games anymore''

[Kokoro]

Rubbish!!! I don`t care if I have to change a disc. Was there so much complains about people changing disc last gen!?! If so, count me dumbfounded because I could care less about the number of disc as long as I enjoy the damn game. Dont worry about how much it will fit. Worry about enjoyable it is! Cause that`s how I want to play everytime.

edit: yeah cause I dont want to actually enjoy the game. i just want to have gig upon gig of things, just so you know, i can have a game that wont necessarily be longer because of disc space.

[snoop_dizzle]

totally agree.

The means justify the end result, fun.

To be honest though for me, i am pretty much in arms length of my 360 when i play(i play on a 24" HD computer monitor(pretty nice one actually) so its not really bad at all for me.

[DrPirate]

I get your point but you make it sound as if you WANT to switch disks. Dude relax. Personally, I sit 8 feet away from my PS3, it'd just be annoying.

[JustCallMeDaddy]

Is not like you are going to have to change it every 10 or 30 minutes(and keep doing it), it would just be like on one cd you have most of the story mode, and in the other cd you have the rest of the story mode and multiplayer(if it has any).Just swap it once when you are playing story mode. Anyways is not like you are going to beat the game like 20 times, usually people just beat it twice or 3 times top.

If you would have to change the cd to play different multiplayer modes, then that would be a problem because(at least me) I play multiplayer like thousands of times. But since it will never happen, i will just lay down in my couch and play my favorite games on my 52 inch HD TV.

[DrPirate]

No I agree. I'm not saying it's a travesty. OMG CHANGING DISCS END OF THE WORLD.

Just merely pointing it out as a minor inconvenience. If you had the choice of a game (being identical in every respect) on 1 cd, or 2. Which would you choose?

Personally, (I'm not against exercise, but face it, if walking 5-6 feet to swap a cd is considered exercise for you, kill yourself immediately) I'd rather just turn the game on, set it and forget it.

[Armyless]

-just sayin'

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Kokoro, totally agreed

DrPirate, when I first saw you I thought you are a fanaticboy but more and more you show yourself to be a genuine fanboy

my own rant about this mess:
I am pretty tired of developers making this particular comment. PS3 uses Blu ray to deliver games. And Blu ray has the capacity to store 25-50GB. And you are making a triple-A title, why the hell would you restrict yourself to 9GB?!?!?

[edit] Blue dragon is still going to be a fun game to play

[codeazrael]

Of course he'll try to pimp the blu ray angle. Answer me something though, if this game is going to be so huge, even if it did come in dvd format, at the very most it would be two discs, and last time I checked, I wasnt soo fat that I couldnt get my lazy ass off of the couch to change a disc once a week or even every other week or maybe even once a month.

[Pain70]

if they want to max profits, they'll make it fit. i don't care what game it is, if there are 7-8 million people with a console that uses dvd-9, how can they just ignore that big of a market? sure BR holds alot more info. BFD! install base of PS3 doesn't justify making a game just for BR. "lets make money!!" is the motto of any smart business. xbox had ps2 ports. ps3 currently is getting 360 ports. lowest common denominator is dvd-9 with a potential market that could make you millions by itself. a smart business person never turns there back on a potential customer.

[TheExecutive]

well, i guess i dont really like getting up and changing a disc. However, if i had to I would. I understand what you two are talking about, but why do it if we dont need to? However, with compressing techniques i dont see why it couldnt.

However, I do have a question. When a developer compresses information does it effect the quality of the video?

VVVVV thanks for the info! I wonder how much space they actually use.

[GodofPeace]

Yea for Uncharted to actually be compressed and try in fit in a DVD9 (which I will like to see because that would be an amazing accomplishment) the game would look different. During an interview for Game Head one of the developers said the environment are organic no realy flat surfaces just like in life or something which means a lot of different textures. Games that look great such as Gears of War re-uses textures which doesn't give a lot of things too look at. Most of the game you'll see buildings in one dull color or just rocks. Also graphics compromises Content and that's why Gears is so darn short for a great game that looks good. Uncharted doesn't have to compress and re-use textures which makes the game longer, look better, and more content.

[ALI G]

but it is not noticeable at all .
" it will have to be in multiple DVD's which isn't the way you want to play games anymore".that is why they did not mention anything about that and you know how much sony will love to mention that if comparison will effect the quality .. they just do not want to change the disc. i did not want to wait an extra 1 year to get blue-ray drive in the 360 so i will change the disc if i have too

EDIT;@UP :uncharted will have to re-use texture duo to the slow read speed for blue-ray

EDIT;@nextgengaming18 .4.: IF THE DEMO, 1 or 2level, will not fit in DVD9, than the full game will take more than 50GB = 2 50GB blue-ray unless the full game is only 2 more levels than the demo...it just typical "Shony and it partners" promise and do not deliver

[lil bush]

well its probably true, but i dont care aobut getting up to chage a disc

cant wait for drakes fortune on my ps3

[nextgengaming18]

This was announced at gdc 07 when they showed off the presentation. They announced that the demo won't fit on a dvd9. Why would the whole game fit on a dvd 9 when a demo can't?

[Ludwig]

Don't put words in my mouth Naughty Dog :3 ..

I know nobody will ever say "Hey multiple Disks is better!" (thought having multiple disks expands the life of the game cos it has more resistance to damage.)

But we can tell you what we DON'T want ..

[TheExecutive]

Bluray is a lot more reliable than a standard dvd, and i mean A LOT. So in this one case, i have to disagree with you about that.

Edit: however, i didnt press the disagree button. I still dont know why people do that.

[DrPirate]

Blu-rays scratch resistant coating for the win. That's the main attraction for me :\

[Jdoki]

@5.2

They may not scratch but they may well rot!!! :)

http://www.engadget.com/200...

[HyperBear]

Although i really hate you Son ppl, its this game, Ratchet and Clank: ToD and Warhawk that are making me stay with the PS3 and i cant wait for those games baby!!!, bring em on.

Update: Well, I am going away from this site, if you wanna know why, read my last comment on the "Why 360 Failed" page or read my bio. But im outta here
Later.

[TheExecutive]

do you hate MS ppl too? Just because people are learning about games for the ps3 doesnt mean they only like the ps3. I hate people that are so loyal to brand, especially MS or Sony that they hate people for it.

oh btw, in case you dont know heavenly sword looks awesome too.

Update: I read your profile and i agree with you. I come to this site because it has news on it, and through all of the crap there are some really good articles. It saves me time ( i dont have to go from site to site. I just dont understand why there is such hate over a console, and i agree that this site is outta hand.

On another note, do you have a better site for information? PM if you do, it would be much appreciated

[wildcat]

http://www.n4g.com/News-426...

I remember the site used to be far worse than what it is right now, and with each update they seem to fix the problems.

[ArChItEcT]

who the hell wanna change disc.. was a pain on ps1 and i love how xbox fans are like "i like to change discs why the hell cant i change disc ? come on its so much fun"

bright future bright future

and the game looks awsome

Apparently, Xbox owners still think swapping discs is perfectly OK.

I'm gonna laugh my socks off, wehn GTA5 hits, and they have to switch DVD's when driving between isalnds... LOL..

[Lex Luthor]

you copied that from ps3forums.com

loser

[iceice123]

Them and insomniac are nice and smug on sony's corporate cok, they will say what ever to help Sony in anyway they can. Take anything either says lightly.

-Edit-Who disagreed with me? Post why I was wrong, come on.

[funkysolo]

Blue dragon is on a 3 disc set, remember bill gates said that 360 will have a hddvd drive in it, but they rushed the 360 to get the year head start and only hurt the console in the long run. I think Sony did the right thing, if you're not going to release something far superior than a PS2 then why release a PS3 when the PS2 is still outselling every console out. The only thing I wish sony would of done, just release 1 sku from the begining.

[Bathyj]

You've got it backwards. Companies like Insomiac and Naughty Dog dont like Sony because they work for them, they work for them because they like them. They wouldn't stay if they weren't treated well and I've never read anything about a 1st or 2nd party dev complaining about their relationship with Sony. Most sing their praises because they mean it.

Hell Factor5 have had plenty of good things to say about Sony and PS3 and they used to be wrapped up by Nintendo. They weren't exclusive but certainly there relationship was very tight. F5 jumped over simply because PS3 was the hardware they wanted.

[TheSadTruth]

Wow there is a lot of intelligent discussion going on here...

One word... Compression

[aiphanes]

Why would you want to?

MGS4
Drake
Heavenly Sword

and many other PS3 games designed on the PS3 would not work on the Xbox 360 or wii..because there is not disc space...Also downloadable games can only take you so far also...there is no way you are going to download a 25 gig game in a reasonble time...Most of the downloadable games on the PSN network are less than a gig...including the warhawk beta...Sony knows how to compress...but you want your sound to be uncompressed 5.1 or 7.1 pcm which is something the xbox 360 can not do...that is truly a next gen feature along with bluray, and hard drive streaming, and motion control and motion control with touch sense...

[techie]

lol They are compressed. Plus every time you compress something the quality reduces. Being great developers I believe what they say....not only that it's quite clearly true. Blu-ray is an advantage which will be used, and using DVD's will become a hinderance.

It's not only about levels....it's about movies, it's about textures, it's about animations. Swapping the disc is not always an option.

[THAMMER1]

http://www.microsoft.com/wi...

Read the link it clearly proves that compression does not change the quality of the final product. Thank you very much.

TheSadTruth was correct with just one word. 1up to you Bro.

ACHIRA dude come on why do you think I have so many bubbles? If bubbles were based on lack of knowledge you would have and unlimited amout of bubbles. What makes you think I do not know what I'm talking about. Is it the link you are you still brain washed.

[achira]

thammer, of course, what did you expect from a ms site ? compression=lost of data, thats the way the most compression algorithmus work. there are looseless algos but, they are not so effective and are not used in computer games(for the most time). so thammer you have no idea of what you are talking.

[darx]

What would you expect Nauhgty Dog to say? They are making a PS3 exclusive... of cousre it can't fit onto a DVD9.

[assasshin]

Way to promote blu ray lol. this game doesn't even look that good, looks like tomb raider brighter. if it can't fit in 1 dvd put it in two lol. this aint no GTA game anyway. theres no free roam on this game to not allow it to be in multiple discs.

[The Karate Kid]

Next Generation Means Next Generation Period!!!!!!!!!!!!........'

Better Graphics Card
Better Processor
Better Format
Nowadays Better Operating System

It has got to be all of the above!!!!!!

If You Still Have The Same Format As Last Generation Then Don't Consider Yourself Next Generation Your ABout Half Way There lol

NES
SNES
N64
GAME CUBE
NINTENDO WII Although its DVD Still More Memory Then The Cube

PS1 CD
PS2 DVD
PS3 Blu-Ray

XBOX DVD
XBOX 360 DVD??????????? What The Hell ???

In The Next Generation Wifi Is Standard not an option!!!

In The Next Generation Hard Drives Is Standard Not an option!!!

In The Next Generation Online Play is FREE not an option lol

In The Next Generation High Definition Playback is standard not an option!!!

In The Next Generation there should be only ONE light of Life

++++++++++++++++++++NOT THREE RINGS OF DEATH+++++++++++++++++++++

In The Next Generation Online Community is 3-D (HOME)

Buy yourself a Playstation 3 if you want to play in the next generation.

[lib9]

Sorta agree .... the xbox 360 should have waited a couple more months to be released, to fix all their problems and put an HD DVD drive, can you all imagine how the situation would be like now if that would have happened? xbox 360 fanboys would probably be saying "yeah hd movies are the s***!!!" and it would probably be called "totally next-gen", HD DVD would be winning the war right now, probably because more studios woulda switched to HD DVD.

Well, not gonna happen, and sony knows all of this, at the long run sony will win once again.

[JustCallMeDaddy]

you should right long comments like that one because YOU CAN ONLY WRITE ONE every day!!! Well, everyone gets what they deserve, right? sucks to be you.

[JokesOnYou]

just more sony dev BS, this game doesn't look like much, come on sony kids you can't be that blind, its like their spoon feeding babies, remember insomniac's claims for resistance? yeah that turn out to be what 16-18 gigs of an average shooter, ha ha that game as it is won't fit on a DVD9 either but so what? yeah I know its poo-ray3 best game but on the 360 it would be just another decent shooter nothing special. do you sony kids know how long you would be waiting if sony devs actually did just 30 gigs to make the actual gameplay content longer? damm, we would have to change sony's slogan from "this is waiting" to "this is never" now add to the fact that poo-ray3 has a pos GPU thats means its graphics will always be a step behing the 360 and you sony kids think its better than 360, keep feeding them sony ha ha once again sony kids:

JOY

[TheExecutive]

how do you possibly have more bubbles than me? You dont do anything but bash the ps3, and you dont add anything to conversation. Your ramblings are tired and old.

edit: you may disagree with me but you and I and everyone else knows that what i say is true.

[AAACE5]

I just hope all that space doesn't get used on graphics. I'd perfer the space to be used to make a long and enjoyable game. This won't be the game to make me buy a ps3 but it's a step in the right direction. A price of around $400 would do the trick though!

Everytime something good is said about one system, someone has to say something bad about the other. So i'll put in my 2 cents!

MS used the DVD format to keep the cost of the 360 down, and because HD-DVD and Blu-ray aren't necessary right now. With the 360 MS has alot of different compression techniques to fit even more data onto one disc. Some of the best games created are on the PC, and they aren't using either HD format... They are using DVD!

The ps3 is not future proof as sony leads you to believe! Come 2010, MS and Nintendo will be revealing their new consoles while the ps3 is hitting it's stride. The new MS console is almost guarantees to to be more powerful than the ps3 and will adopt a HD format, But the price will probably be the same as the 360's current price, because by that time all HD parts will be significantly cheaper. Nintendo will probably have a console with power almost equal to the ps3, and will probably cost about $300.

[AAACE5]

The game "Enter the Matrix" had something like 15-25 dvd's worth of data, and through compression techniques, they got it to fit on a regular dvd for ps2 and xbox...They even got it to fit on a gamecube disc!

"Large space is only truely needed when you write sloppy code!"

[sjappie]

although it wasn't completely finished. If they would've put more time in it, it could've been one of the coolest games ever, imo.

[Devilbringer]

Looks like we have alot of Sloppy code makers. Good we have Blu-Ray :D

[ALI G]

they always talk about not comprising the date and blue-ray...they are so slooooooooppy when it come to making codes and delivering their promise .

[DixieNormS]

When Crysis comes out on one DVD9, will these PS3 developers shut the hell up. Or are we going to have to keep hearing this crap over and over.

[ALI G]

for you

RESPECTTTTTTTTTTTTTT for you

[Watkins]

OR, will we have a game that takes 5 hours to complete? We'll see

[codeazrael]

It's good to know that we still have logical thinkers on this site.

[Arkham]

Holy crap, is stupidity catching today?

PC games are *delivered* on DVD(s), not *run* off of them. Have you ever even installed a game on a PC? You can't run a game like directly from the disc.

There is no comparison.

[InMyOpinion]

It would be different if Drake's was slated for the 360 in first hand, and the devs came to the conclusion that "We can never make the game we want because it won't fit on dvd9". That's not really the case here. If you have 50gb to your disposal you just don't have to think about compressing sounds, cg etc as much. Still, I want to see how big the game actually will be before I pass more judgement. Btw, it looks really cool, love the water effects.

[Watkins]

Well, if they made the game for the 360, they would have MADE it fit on a dvd9, not throwing months of work away to start over on the ps3, and a larger disc.

You can't just swap from the x360 to the PS3. That would take a whole lot of restructuring.

[tehcellownu]

thats true why would anyone wants mulitple disk on games?? its hassle to take care of it..if you scratch the first disk or 2nd you are basically screwed..or if u lose one of the disk..

[power of Green]

Blue Dragon won't fit on a single DVD9 either is uncharted an open world sand box?. lol. can't stop laughing

[Antan]

"dodgefate
Why bother? you're anti MS in every way we don't care what you say. Stop trolling MS news threads the game is exclusive to MS's Xbox 360 and their other platform Games For Windows. thank you!."

Does this comment sound familiar?

If your gonna pick on PS3 fans for "trolling" in 360 news articles then can you naturally expect the same response. So ill post a reply from them....

POG
Why bother? you're anti PS3 in every way we don't care what you say. Stop trolling PS3 news threads the game is exclusive to PS3.

Your really quite 2 faced are you not?

[SofaKingReetodded]

that even a game designed FOR the xbox has to be put across multiple discs in order to give any real depth?

shirley you can't be serious

[SF49er408]

E U KIDDIING ME????? THIS game could fit on one dvd9, if mass effevt can fit on on dvd9 then l0l draked fortune could. it like gears plus persia t can fit on one dvd 9 if they wanted to compress the data. dvd9 is not a problem for the next 2 years. dvd9 will still be used fo every computer game. crysis etc........................... ............................... ............................. mass efect......................... ...... halo 3............................. ............... assasins creed......................... ........................ spliter cell.......................... ............................... ............. lost odyseey....................... ............................... ............................. blue dragon........................ ............................... ...................... gears of war 2............................. ............................... ........................... it is ridiulous, this is a forum comment, lmao, dvd9 there is nothin wrong, if anythin it will fit on 2 comfortable discs, it wont be uncomforatble but it will be 2 discs that are cinematic and when u change them they will not cause a problem at all, instead u will be intreagued and rushed to change the disks to complete the story and keep it going. this is ridiculous, i like the ps3 and killzone but this not able to do it crap it ridiculoud, everythin done on the ps3 can be done somehow on the 360 and wii if neccessary

[Robotz Rule]

STFU you pathetic Xbot.

[kingboy]

yup! good compression techniques will get the job done but on the other hand the game is bound to suffer on other areas including limited gameplay hours,(a la Gears of war)compress audio & video quality etc...We all know the reason behind frequent updates via xbox live don`t we?In this case Gears gets updates like no other..Now imagine Gears running on a 50gig Blu ray media

[codeazrael]

No, really...you need to because it will never play on a PS3.

[felidae]

i think DVD-9 has had it's time.

now bluray will be the next standard format.

[Bathyj]

Changing the disks in a game like this is annoying but these more to it than that. Most you guys are missing the point.

Games that fit on DVD, fit because they are designed to from the start. When Naughty Dog started they would have this list of all the possibly things they would want to do, and then go through it a decide what they could and what they couldn't. You would find having 5 times more room means you can do alot of them.

A dev working with only DVD in mind, would say, ok, We cant use the 1920x1080 textures, well use smaller ones and compress them. We cant do 7.1 Audio, we cant make an engine where 6 or 7 different animations can effect the charactors running stance based on terrain, stamina, holding a weapon, enemies etc.

Its not about changing a disk. Its about the hundreds of compromises that we dont see that happen during developement. Its pretty simple really. If you tell an artist to paint a painting but he can only use 3 colours and you tell another one he can use 20, who has the best chance of realising his vision?

Games like Uncharted, HS and Lair already look as good as anything on any platform with the possible exception of Crysis. Keep in mind these are all first wave games. They started before the devs even had final hardware specs. When PS3 stretches her legs in the next year or two, even Crysis will be bettered and no other console will keep up, performance wise.

You disagree and you hate me, because you love you Xbox so much (which I haven't bashed at all) but at least think about the progress Sony games are making so early in PS3 lifecycle. Its only gonna get better, not worse.

[THAMMER1]

What Naughty Dog is saying is only hype. You could fit any PS3 game on a DVD9. Sony’s just going about development in their own way. M$ compression would work fine. So far we are only finding out that the PS3 is on made for compressed files and Blu Ray is there to make for that. How do you think Mass Effect is so BIG but just barely fits on a DVD9? Digital compression.

[Bathyj]

Thammer, I believe you, just about any game could be developed to fit on a DVD. But compromises would have to be made. This is my point. What would be possible when your free (or at least free'er) from these restraints. It might not become evident imediately, although I think we are already seeing good evidence of it, but in the years to come the benifit will be obvious.

Saying having more room on the disk isnt needed or neccessary, is like saying you never need to improve RAM, or CPU's or Graphic cards, or anything. It short sighted at best and industry crippling at worst. I think we can agree, no one has ever called Sony short sighted.

[UJUSTLOSTONE]

Good post
I second that motion

[gunnar2906]

Sure - noone complains about disk changing
DVD fits pretty nice for data storage (games) at this moment.
But dont call your favorite console as a next-gen machine then. PS3 has DVD drive and was released 6 years ago.
Just call it - my favorite console. And please dont use words like "nex-gen", "the most powerful", or "exclusively".

Today I played my XBox 360. It froze up exclusively during 2 hours and on third wrote me an exclusive message that my disk is scratched or dirty and the exclusive next-gen DVD-drive cannot read it. I bought the game tommorow and now I dont know what to do - cry or laugh

[THAMMER1]

Only Blu Ray Disc fans and PS3 fans would believe this is true. This falls under the mystery sauce theory. "If you tell them it is good they will eat it."

Compression is a great technique that will be around for a while. But of course if the hardware you’re using like the PS3 is not optimized for compressed data you will have to use as much of a Blu Ray DVD as you can.

This link explains a little.

http://www.microsoft.com/wi...

Well Timmy we do not know if they are all game discs yet. Oh and by the way did you read the link? I think it will help ya out some.

[timmyp53]

but i think they could of moved Blue Dragon down from 3 disc to 2.. wat kind of compression did they use? Anyway i agree with Jenzo if it was on dvd9 then it would different .Its a good thing for developers with more space they have more freedom no matter how u put it.

[gunnar2906]

if you are talking about compresion as a ring-buoy in the DVD problem, keep in mind that the most data used in games has already compressed. The bigger part of data in games are not text files that can be compressed in 1/100 or even higher ratio, but pictures (textures), movies, sound files etc. Noone uses raw picture formats now to store graphical data, sound are usually stored in mp3 or similar data formats and movies are compressed in different formats too. The rest of data may be scripts or any description of objects or any text data etc and normally doesnt take 1-5% of total game data. That is why it is pretty silly to consider compression as a serious extension of DVD's volume.
To prove my words try to compress a MP3 or JPEG or AVI file with any copressing utitity available on your computer. The result will be approxemetely 95-98% of the original file size, and I bet the best result will never exceed the difference in 20% for those files.

[gunnerforlife]

thats why mgs aint gone be on 360 cuz it cant handle it, anyways this game is going to be wicked.

[LeShin]

Yeah, a LOT of you guys are missing some key points. Take music for example, compressed music will NEVER sound as good as an uncompressed format, though they may come close. If you have the space to have uncompressed data, why on earth would you want to compress it to loose features for the sake of it??? If my mp3 player's harddrive was a Terabyte, I'd have all my music in .wav to keep the quality. Some of you guys are deluded if you think that some game devs would bother to compress their data if they didn't need to.

Also, if compression was indeed the way forward, we wouldn't have DVDs. Some of you would probably want to play Gears of War across 12 CD's the way you're talking! Or maybe about a couple of thousand floppy disks lol. I remember back in the day, there were some critics (journalists) who said that the PS2 using DVD's was a stupid idea and they could of just kept on using CD's when it went into production....

Yeah right..... :)

One personal reason why I don't want multiple disks? When I had my Commodore Amiga, I bought Monkey Island, which was across 12 bloody disks! What happened? I lost one of them, and that was the end of that. A more recent example was when I bought Final Fantasy 8 and a scratch appeared on one of the disks (probably my fault admittedly) forcing me to buy all four disks again.

Trust me, bigger storage media will ALWAYS be in demand, especially if you want more content. These days, there are graphic whores and audiophiles that want the best high-def graphics at 1080p and surround sound in 7.1. Guess what, you need a hell of a lot of space for those features.
Just look at Stranglehold Special Edition which gives you a game and a high-def film all on one disk. Who wouldn't want that as an option?

[THAMMER1]

You must not have read my link. It is obvious you are thinking of mp3's. The more time you share or copy a data file it losses quality and that is very true. But since you did not read my link I will copy and past an exert for you.

"Compressing video is essentially the process of throwing away data for things we can't perceive. Standard digital video cameras compress video at a ratio of 5 to 1, and there are formats that allow you to compress video by as much as 100 to 1. But too much compression can be a bad thing. The more you compress, the more data you throw away. Throw away too much, and the changes become noticeable. With heavy compression you can get video that's nearly unrecognizable. "

Too much compression is a bad thing but compression done well will go completly in noticed. You people are reaching to far and hard to dicredit the 360. I guess all that space helped them put multi player in VF5, and a better frome rate too? HUH what happened there? Was it the CELL or what?

Oh I get it. I'm a XBOX360 fan so I must just be telling lies. Yeah that is the ticket. No one is right but Sony.

[gunnar2906]

Standard video camcorders can compress video at 1:5 ratio. Lets look deeper. If they are able to compress they are digital and if they are standard they are standard defintion, right? That means that this article consider these cameras to be DV cameras. DV cameras has the fixed bitrate 25Mbs that exceeds our needs at least in 5 times. DVD's mpeg 2 format has usually 5-7Mbs VBR bitrate without any significant visual loss at SD, but it is much more noticable at 720/1080 HD resolution.
But what part of total data do movie files take in a game? It depends on the game quality and its genre etc. The advanced programmers tend to use scripted animations on game engine, as it was in Gears of War. Meanawhile Gears of War uses photorealistic, highdefinated textures for characters and environment. I bet they take the most part of the game DVD volume. Thre other part is the sound. Good 5.1 or 7.1 sound needs the big storage too. Notice that all textures and sounds data placed on disk being already compressed in an appropriate format. I noticed today that Gears of War supports only 3.1 DD and the problem can be a simple DVD storage lack.

[LeShin]

@THAMMER1
..and you obviously did not read the whole of my post, because if you did you would have addressed the issues with:

Space for high def graphics
Space for surround sound
Space for extra content

Your argument just goes over mp3's, which you assumed I was using as an example. There's also ogg Vorbis among others.
If compression is SO far advanced as you seem to think it is, why is Blue Dragon on 3 discs? Do yo actually think the makers of Blue Dragon wouldn't of wanted it to fit on one disk if they had the choice? I think you're are clearly deluded and this will be proven when Microsoft chooses a different storage media for it's next console with a larger capacity, because even they know that DVD9 has it's limits. Everything eventually does. Gunnar2906 makes some very good point's, I suggest you read his/her post.

That last comment you made assumes that I love Sony and that I have never owned an Microsoft console....kind of foolish don't you think?

[THAMMER1]

But this dose not mean the 360 is weak. That is the only point I'm making. Than you very much sir.

[techie]

No Thammer, by replying to me the inherited point you are making is that Uncharted can fit on one DVD9 in its final state through compression.

IS that your conclusion after all these intelligent guys have stated their learned points and questioned your source?

[SofaKingReetodded]

it's pretty sad to watch the stubborn ignorance of some xbox boys.

many also don't realize that the 360 architecture is designed around DVD9's throughput, otherwise you would have to load the entire game onto your HDD. PS3 has been designed to take advantage of Bluray 25-50gb, when the Cell fires up it SPU's and starts ripping data from a Bluray disk the result is the games we are starting to see. Everyone knocks the PS3's amount of memory not realizing that it's all that's needed for the pace that cell reads and writes information. these SPU's run at 3.4ghz each, if you have the brains do the math and you will the insane number of data throughput this produces. The 360 is going to get slaughtered in PS3's second and third year when we start seeing games built and optimized from the ground up using the new EDGE toolkit.

[Loudninja]

Mean my God ,get over it, its not. PR BS, this was long a while back.

[candystop]

I guess this will be one of Sony's key focuses at E3 to try and make a point of this! Yes it's best to fit it all on one disc but with all of the movies going on in drake in HD i'm pretty sure it will be hard to fit this on a dvd9!That's what I like about 360 though is the emphasis on game's and the experience you have while playing this next gen! On 360 you will always notice less movies and more gameplay which is why dvd 9 is ok for most games other than maybe RPG's! You guys can have your movie games because i'm cool with games for 360 that don't keep on taking me out of the experience!

[Itachi]

to all xbox 360 fans who so changing discs dont bother them you dont have a option i hated changing discs in shenmue 4 discs and final fantasy its annoying

blu ray more space for games dont give a sh1t about movies simple as that

[zonetrooper5]

I'm not even gonna believe this dev as they would say anything to make it sound like no other console or PC could handle this. The 360 can run this game but they don't want to put it on mutiple DVD disks...hhmmm, now that sounds a little stupid.

Anyways, tell me what is soo good about this game and it does amazing because at this moment it is not intresting.

[timmyp53]

can we all just agree on that and end the flame?

[gnothe1]

tell me this guys(sonyboys) we all know that VF5 was built with the Ps3 as the lead system, they had blu ray to build huge maps,use big textures the whole bit, now how were they able to fit ALL of that PLUS alot more features onto DVD9 for the 360!!then you guys complain about games with multi discs. theres only 1 an its not even out yet an thats blue dragon, its not like 50 of the over 150 games on the 360 use more than 1 disc, you guys just grasp to ANYTHING that seems to be an advantage for the Ps3 an run with it!! our online is FREE=better, we have blu ray=better, we have the cell=better, we have sisaxis=better, at the end of the day the Ps3 games still dont look as sharp an run as fast as 360 games.

GTA fits on dvd
darkness fits,
stranglehold fits
mass effect fits on DVD9

[Bathyj]

I dont know if you read my earlier post, but if you do you'll probably understand me better.

Just about everything you say is right. I personally think VF5 was always going to be multilplatform it just wasnt announce like that. Same goes with games like GTA and AC imo.

It came out on PS3 first and could have done all these things with the BR but didn't. But, it is just a fighting game, and not even a really popular one, so how much extra effort do they want to go to. In a fighting game how much extra data can you really need, unless it was something revolutionary to the genre. BR while have more benefit in longer games like 3rd person shooter/adventures, RPG's and such and such.

3 of the other games you mentioned, are coming to PS3, but they were all designed with DVD in mind, so there wont be anything really special or different about them. There are some cool additions but. Getting Hard Boiled on the same disc is excellent. I hope they do a picture in picture feature so you can watch the movie while playing the game. That would be so cool. Ive heard that on The Darkness all the Tv have movies and TV shows running on them and the game runs at 1080p. Nice, reminds me of Max Payne.

These are all minor innovations at the moment, but c'mon, use some imagination. You're a gamer aren't you, you must be able to thing of a dozen cool things to put in games.

Anyway, I'm not telling you PS3 is better, or Cell is better or any of the other things you said. I just think BR is going to be more help than hinderance in the future and I think its already showing in the games made with BR in mind.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Uncharted is the only 2007 title I want for PS3.. this game is going to be sick

[UJUSTLOSTONE]

I feel that people are being narrow minded. Nobody is attacking microsoft. If they are, over this issue, its just plain stupid.

Facts are Facts. If you have more space, you can create a bigger game. No one is attacking Compression. If they are , THAT, also doesn't make anysense.

Eventually there will come a time where compression is going to be needed on Blue Ray..... JUST IMAGINE what types of games we'll be playing then ? More space can only be a good thing

C'mon people, lighten up.

[Xi]

maybe not on a normal dvd9, remember the 360 uses special compression tech that can get upto 15 gigs onto a single dvd.

[SofaKingReetodded]

I heard about MS's super dooper secret ultra ninja compression technique that can now squeeze 150 terabytes onto one DVD9.

too bad the 360's don't come with a decoder ring, Id trade my PS3 in for that...lol

[Jdoki]

The bigger capacity of Blu-ray is a great thing. I have no issue with disc swapping, but there has to be trade offs...

Either the story has to be written so that players can never return to the areas on the previous disc(s), or the data for previous areas has to be duplicated on the subsequent discs, which in turn could potentially inflate the number of disc swaps further.

As a 360 owner I can only see advantages in having a larger capacity media. Given the choice I'd much rather have a game like Blue Dragon on one HD-DVD/Blu-Ray disc rather than having the immersion broken when I'm asked to swap discs, even if it is only twice in the entire game.

I'd also rather have developers given free reign to create the games they want... if a developer has to reduce the number of cut-scenes or detail of textures to fit the game on one DVD9 - then it's a compromise of quality, and that's not a good thing.

When I eventually buy a PS3 I certainly won't miss disc swapping (until some crazy developer manages to fill a Blu-Ray disc).

There is the flip side to this... just because a dev says that a game is too big for DVD9 doesn't mean it's true. Smart coding and efficient use of space can reduce the storage a game needs. Also, it's no surprise that a developer like Naughty Dog, with such close ties to Sony is saying something like this... don't forget the marketing spin!

[TheXgamerLive]

There's o to little compression used when you have larger space so that's why, yes it could be done on standard DVD or double sided, it's called compression. Thjey also pit garbage on the BR just to make it bigger, it could be done easily.

Example, UT3 is being done on both, obviously on a MS DVD and sony BR, I'll bet BR has around 20 gigs or more and the Xbox 360 version less than 9.

[popup]

So where are you uncompressing all this data to?

[popup]

Sony fans can rejoice this in every way possible as far as I am concerned.

Afterall, everything that happened so far has worked against them with so much flac to deal with inc framerates, no. of games, lost exclusives, game delays etc so let me shout the fact that I envy the PS3's Blu-Ray capacity.

and yet still for some reason there are a few ignorant people playing down this obvious advantage saying stupid things like 'I don't care about disc swapping' etc.

Well I would hate swapping possibly 6 Discs in the future and what if its 35 Gigs of car data on a future GranTurismo type game? How are you gonna garage those over 6 discs?
There are loads more scenarios if you can think about it.

Remeber how many Floppy disks you could get on a cd?

Its the past that is always laughed about, never laugh about the future.

[DJ]

The fact that they assume PS3 games use no compression whatsoever shows how ignorant they really are. What Naughty Dog is doing is using a huge variety of sounds, textures, models, etc, in varying configurations to produce lush, organic environments. Instead of having a game that's over 100GB, they can re-use a pool of about 8~15GB of data on top of custom data. Their engine is constantly streaming off the Blu-ray disc and HDD, so it's a really cool trick.

[JokesOnYou]

I won't argue with space, its good to have more but the end result looking at this game it doesn't look special, just tomb raider with more colors, will they sharpen it up and get rid of the jaggies, will it run at 60fps 108op? no for real not flaming this time, the game looks OK but it has alot of work to do I mean I won't mention Gears, but lets say a game like R6 vegas on 360, the graphics look much sharper so I don't know why sony kids think poo, I mean blu-ray is going to do anything other than save them from changing a disc when all the better looking games show up on 360. yeah I give you sony devs may make bigger games not neccessarily longer with more gameplay just bigger for the sake of being big, but the gpu will always hold it back, but I guess it will sound better than 360 games, right?=

JOY

[popup]

It depends if a PS3 Gears had 90% of the graphic quality but 600% the size....

[TruthHurts]

if what you say about compression is true.

WHY AREN`T THEY USING CDs STILL TO MAKE GAMES?

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

you'll understand why it won't fit on a DVD9! Thankx Blu-Ray. :)

[THAMMER1]

I'm only stating that it is not a big of a disadvantage as Sony 1st party developers want PS3 buyers to believe. That is all. I know you guys get my point you just too busy following Sony.

[TruthHurts]

say less space is BETTER. you said

you can compress anything 100/1.

So my question is why aren`t we STILL using CDs?
because by your logic the game could be 9,000 mb and still fit on the CD. CDs are cheaper, quicker to write on, and ALL system have a CD player enabled.

So they just started using DVDs for fun and to lose $$$.

and atleast try answer my question, instead of dodging it by insulting people.

but if you want to,
YOUR TOO BUSY FOLLOWING THE PRESENT STATE.
look ahead.