MGS4: Kojima says "50GB BD Not Enough For MGS4"

In an exclusive interview with Hideo Kojima, the creator of Metal Gear Solid series, has made complains about 50GB BD not been sufficient. The Metal Gear Solid producer considers the Blu Ray disc too small and that they had to make compromises in order to put the game on the 50GB BD. According to Hideo, the programmers had to compress some parts in the game to save disc space.

Kojima : I am not satisfied with the quality yet, however...there isn't enough space.

Interviewer: Not enough space..on..Blu-ray..?

Kojima: Yes.(laughs). Not enough space.

[Creepa at GameManx]

wow...not enuff tho

[TheWickedOne]

guess he wants DL-BD.

[mighty_douche]

Isn't 50gb already dual layer?

Standard BR disc is 25gb.

[decapitator]

I mean 50GB BD not enough ?!?! ...Man, I expect to see a lot of DLC for the game in the future when released.

[sonarus]

yea i had a feeling this would happen. Maybe when ps3 gets the 100GB discs kojima will return for ONE LAST BATTLE lol

[TheWickedOne]

OK, maybe QL-BD then.

Just joking...

[pharmd]

yeah, i guess this confirms no MGS4 for 360 :P

[gamesR4fun]

heh well roll out the 200 gig b/r then
still hard ta believe 50 gigs and they had to cut corners to jam it all in...
crazy this game should blow away anything thats come b4

[iamtehpwn]

But enough to prove that its not possible for MGS4 to be done on 360.

Well, if it was to be done... the Graphics, Sound Quality, and many other Areas of the Game would Suffer Severely Because of it.

[Fat Onion]

I think it would be possible to make a game of this size on 360. Above it says "the programmers had to compress SOME parts in the game".

This leads me to believe that PS3 games are not compressed. I also have read that 360 is very good with compression, and pritty much all the games out for it right now are compressed and they look no worse than a PS3 game.

[sonarus]

prob get disagrees but once again this isn't the truth. The fact that mgs4 struggled to fit on a 50GB blu ray disc does not necessarily mean it won't come to the 360. PS3 owners love to believe mgs4 will never see light of day on 360 right now i would say its like 80:20 but there is still that 20% chance 360 owners will get to play as snake.

1. There is always the options of multidiscs. Lost odyssey was 4 discs what makes you think they can't do 6 or 5 discs for xbox 360??

2. Kojima adds an insane amount of polish into his game and one thing we know FOR SURE is if mgs4 comes to 360 it wnt be done by kojima productions. So that polish wouldn't be necessary. With a decent amount of compression, MGS4 would probably fit into 4 discs just like lost odyssey

3. 360 has better compression techniques that ps3. If you compress too much on ps3 it will affect load times 360 on the other hand has a faster drive so load times won't be affected as much. In summary if mgs4 does get ported it will be an extremely crappy port but a port nonetheless and a port i can bet microsoft and most 360 owners will be more than willing to accept

[pharmd]

i know sonarus, it was a joke (so you wont get a disagree from me)... but im just hopin it silences some rumors, ya know kinda have fun with it since im giddy as a schoolgirl now!

[socomnick]

Did you guys catch that lol. "According to Hideo, the programmers had to compress some parts in the game to save disc space" so basically the 50 gig is enought just compress the game no problem. Im pretty sure they might be able to fit it in a dvd if they compress it enough.

[Sovannah Phum]

Kojima wanted to make a game in which he wouldn't have to compress anything, if you didn't know, compression means loss of quality.

Kojima's objective was to make a game with uncompressed quality, that's why he said that 50 gigs wasn't enough for such a vision.

Don't think it was his intention to just make a game. He wanted a "theater experience" PS3 owners. Don't turn this little issue in which Kojima is hyping the game he is creating into a;

"OmG MgS4 FoR 36o CoNFirMED!"

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

The multi disc can work only if the game is linear if it isn't you can just forget it. No one wants to keep switching discs because they keep leaving and entering a certain area.

For it to be on the XBOX 360 all the coding must be redone to the XBOX 360's architecture plus multiple discs are required. That means more money for a single game compared to the PlayStation 3. It may cost a little bit more but one game fits on one disc. If you had to send 4 - 7 discs per game that will cost you.

[Tyler Durden]

MGS 4 is already comfirmed for 360 look at the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[pharmd]

HAHAHA, thats the shiz.... so funny!

bubbles for makin me laugh

[gambare]

to be developed only on bluray format

[Bolts]

Classic

[bakasora]

LOL

[ruibing]

@1.10
So many things wrong with your comment right there. First off, where do you get that 80:20 thing? Just about all non-360 owners at this point will limit it below a hundred of a percent.

Second, have you ever seen a 6 disc game? I've been playing RPGs for a long time and the biggest one has been 4 CDs, and since the era of DVDs the only one to set a new record was Lost Odyssey. Did you notice the performance (specifically the load times) for that game?

Third, I don't know what "polish" has anything to do with the game coming to the 360, but just how much compression can the game stand to loose in terms of the CGI, texture, and audio. This isn't like ASCII text files that can be compressed to a small fraction of its normal size, the only way you can compress that small is either use processor-heavy encoding or high lossy encoding (or maybe both). And we've already seen Lost Odyssey, I'm sure they tried to reduce the number of discs as much as possible and we got that end result.

Lastly, the 360 does not have any inherent compression technique. If anything, the PS3's high floating point calculation capabilities makes it better at compression algorithm. Let's also not forget the fact that the PS3's built-in HDD further reduce the load times if the developer feels it is necessary.

@1.12
But by your logic, the people that made Crysis could have made it run on an old P4 machine if they just "optimized" it enough.

[sonarus]

if i had only a 360 do you think 6 discs will stop me from playing mgs4 no. Like i said if it got ported it would be a crappy port but size dosent have to do with anything. they will just reduce the quality. I was simply pointing out the 50GB data dosen't guarantee there won't be an xbox 360 port. I really don't care if the 3rd party exclusives for ps3 get ported heard haze will get ported so will tekken i really don't care. Their line up is pretty shoddy at this point ps3 line up on the other hand stands quite strong

[zane547]

Code/Graphics does not take up that much space on a disk, what does is the cutscenes hence Lost Odyssey was on 4 disks.

Now most MGS games were able to be completed in 4 or 5 hours if the cutscenes were skipped.

There isnt enough room on the disk because again, MGS4 is going to be heavily loaded up with cut-scene after cut-scene.

[Mainman]

@ zane547

MGS4's cut-scenes are ingame, so it won't take much space compared to CGI cut-scenes.

[Bubble Buddy]

Wonder how long the gameplay is :D

[Gondee]

@1.20
actuly, crysis can run on an old P4. Iv done it =)
Just messing around one day i put back in a old 3.2 Ghz P4.
i was getting about 6 FPS on very high with a 8800 GTX OC =)

[PStriple703]

firewall update 100gb right there

[Gaara_724]

i dont get u ?

[HeartlesskizZ]

This means only one thing... Kojima wants a 3layer BD minimum to make MGS5... I can only imagine how long is this game already Gosh... im nervous ill never let go of this game =P

[Gaara_724]

imagin if this was dvd-9 ooo
he states
has made complains about 50GB BD not been sufficient
ok thats 4 dvd-9 in 1 blue ray so waw just waw would it even fit in the star wars saga case if this was for the 360?

[Hydrollex]

fuked up all RUMORs !

LOL Imagine Xbots having 10 DVD disks, MGS4 Disk 1, MGS4 Disk2

ahahaha

After passing 2 missions you get this error

You Xbot ! Move your A$$ and Insert the Second Disk

[rofldings]

knowing Microsoft, they'll charge $60 each for each disc for MGS4.

That is the true reason why they included a last-gen format in their "next-gen" console.

[LastDance]

So much for xbox fans(and EB games workers) saying devs dont need any more space then a DVD9....

I hope they feel good about themselves.

[Homicide]

LOL! Where are the bots? ROFLMFAO! Stupid moronic bots thinking bluray isn't needed.

Actually it would be 5-6 DVD 9s for 1 blu-ray disc.

[ruibing]

True enough, even DVD-9 only holds about 8GB per disc, so it will be a minimum of 6 discs on DVD. The only thing I'm curious about is why didn't they use 2 50GB BR discs.

[Stubacca]

Where are all the X-bots?

He said 50 GB wasn't enough? Why not put it on 2 blu-rays. How many 360 DVD discs is that? Too many.

They should just hurry up and release another console that CAN keep up with Sony's beast.

[Quickstrike]

I guess they are ignoring this because they still don't want to accept the truth that MGS 4 is a PS3 exclusive. And that the only way it would be on the 360 is in a 25 disk set.

[TheXgamerLive]

by adding all that damned video, if I wanted to watch a movie I'd go rent one, this game will be scored lower in my book b/c of that. That's my main complaint on playing MGS2 on my Xbox, too much video, it took away from the game play.

[LastDance]

You see XGamer- this is why people like hideo and ryan are making the game.. and people like you are writing on comment boards.

Quite clearly Metal gear is what it is. If you wanted to change something in it then its not metal gear. Like it or dont. simple as that.

Im sorry if you cant handle storyline. Perhaps you should play Gears of war where they dont want to "hold you down with to much storyline" and blast away to your hearts content.

[NO_PUDding]

Xgamer

MGS4 Episode 1 would play great on 360, and then you can download the other 5 episodes. You xbots love episodic content. Apparently it's the future! Maybe the future because it takes so long to download. Yes definitely the future.

Plus it may play great on the 360, but it would play better on the PS3. When people ask me whether I want quality or quanitity, I say both, I don't bend over for Microsoft, and say... I don't mind just give me whatever you got. They defintely didn't give you quantity, and we all know size matters, despite what your Microsoft says.

Wow I love the Open Zone. Anyway, back to civilised Gamer Zone for me.

EDIT: I don't actually like MGS that much, and I never got into it, I just know that if Kojima is askign for more space we need a dual layered BR disc soon. And I also know I want this game.

[BLUR111]

about all of the xbox owners dont care to post in ps3 news they dont flood the articles like sony fanboys flame 360 articles. fanboys are so lame and don't play games most likely.

[Pain]

lmao Blu-ray FTW~

[Razmossis]

your so ignorant you dont even realise that you contradicted yourself lawl

[BLUR111]

ur the ignorant idiot , i was refering to fanboys i have both 360 and ps3 so i look in news for both. you're probly one to shout Blu-ray FTW in 360 articles. you most likely didnt get my point.

[lalilulelo]

go crawl in a hole you loser. every MGS fan out there LOVES the videos. its what makes the deep story of MGS even deeper.

[ElementX]

I hope this game isn't 30 hours of CGI movies

[mighty_douche]

I hope it is : )

Just with 80 hours gameplay....

[Rybnik]

Dont be a tool Element X there basically is NO CGI in MGS games its all done in engine.

[jwatt]

The cut scenes in Mgs is what makes the story so epic, It's seriously like playing a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[tweaker]

CGI is non existent in MGS. well except for the intro. lol

[ElementX]

I have never played a MGS game. I didn't know there weren't CGI movies. I said I "hope" that means I didn't say there would be. No need to be disrespectful and call me a tool.

[Sovannah Phum]

element, you are a tool. just making ridiculous baseless claims about things you do not have experience about makes you a tool.

If you've never played mgs, and have had no interest to do so, why are you here bsing?

[ElementX]

I wasn't claiming anything! I know Japanese games have a lot of movies. I was just saying I hope it wasn't like that. Give me a break. I never owned a PS2. I didn't play the MGS games. I want to try it out though, because I heard it's good. Quit hating.

Ok, i played about 30 minutes of the first one on PS1. That was YEARS ago. I wouldn't call it "playing" because I didn't get very far, only the first level.

[HeartlesskizZ]

same things were said about MGS3 trailers being CGI when it was all real time...

[Rattles]

you would know its not.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Wow man, you might as well make the game in parts

making mgs4 in a trilogy would really sell the game a lot.

[jacobdevos]

you are weird, how could you possibly care that much about game sales?
like.. seriously.. that's brutal
you'd rather play 3x as much for this game just to see sales rise?

i am 100% against your opinion, but you're entitled to it

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

IT was a joke. Do you think I rather pay $150+ to play one game which is split into 3?

Sales = nothing to me, I don't get anything out of it so I don't care.

But, I can see why you thought I was serious.

[rofldings]

Can't wait for the 360 port.

"Insert DVD 27 for the next 2 minute of gameplay."

[Rice]

lol...

[Gaara_724]

LOL!!!!!!! imagin when youre on the radeo thing its so good detailed and sound quailty all we get is SNAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SNAK;inser disk 28'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol

[Rice]

im giving both of u guys bubbles...

[Rice]

sorry double post...

[Thoas]

It would probably be more like 6 or 7 dvd disc, but yeah that is to many dvds.

[craymoogy]

Raiden is about to stab the vampire guy.....

"Please insert Disc 29..."

Raiden killed the vampire guy

"Please insert Disc 32..."

Me: What the heck? I haven't played the game yet. Skip CG

"Please insert Disc 33..."

[Thoas]

Lmaooooo

[CrazedFiend]

maybe they can just let us load all the DVD's onto our hard drive.

...

Oh wait...

My 360 doesn't even have a hard drive (@_@;)

[DRUDOG]

@Toughname: You read the title and it clearly says MGS4, Kojima and BD. Did you think that was an invitation for someone who obviously supports the 360 to come crawling in? Don't cry for the mods if you don't like what you are reading in a story that has nothing for you or other 360 fans.

[The XBOT]

the DL DVD is 2 layers of 4.7 GB, 4.7 x 2 = 9.4 GB

27 Disks are 27 x 9.4 = 253.4 GB.

33 disks are 310 GB.

if 2 minutes of gameplay are 9.4 GB then MGS 4 is 50/9.4 which is around 5 minutes of gameplay.

For MGS 4 to be on the 360 it will need around 5 disks which is not impossible considering that the PS3 doesnt sell software and Konami want a million copy the first day.

[ar]

Actually a DL DVD is 8.5 GB. This is due to the outer most layer can't contain as much data because because it has to be "see thorough".

Not that it makes much of a different. Just wanted to straighten the facts out.

[Lumbo]

tiny bit of milkmaid math there 'The_Xbot, huh?

PS3 version = 50GB (5GB engine + 45GB gamedata) = 1 disk
your DVD version would be 7GB (i hope you DO remember that the xbox360 dvd's only hold around 7GB due to the high amount of encryption ((that does not do anything hence warez is a normal thing in that console scene)))

So you have 7GB/disk to use, hey, lets be generous and still say you get 8GB per disk, its not true but just to make you happy, k?

This 8GB disks needs to have the engine on EVERY disk (remember how you got told that a HDD in every unit is not needed and that DL DVD is more than enough for games?) So you end up with 8GB - 5GB(engine) = 3 GB per disk for the remaining 45GB gamedata

45GB Gamedata / 3GB Gamedata/disk = 15Disks

So a minimum of 15 Disks would be needed to get the game running from DVD. Can you even imagine the size of the Box needed to deliver 15 DVD's to customers, and the production cost, and the probability for fuxkup (2 times disk3, 0 times disk4).

On top of that horror, multidisk games "work" when you have linear games like story driven RPG's where you seldom return to a gamepart you already visited. But alas, MGS does force you to backtrack to older parts quite a lot, so you will either get a diskchange every few minutes, or they will have to put 3 connected areas on every disk, so you can backtrack without a change. That would reduce the available space for gamedata per disk even more ....

Now maybe compression could help there ... lets see, what could be compressed a bit more so we need less space, YES the cutscene movies. HOLD, there are no pre-rendered cutscene movies, Kojima does these scripted in the engine. Drat, so using high compression codecs just went out of the window, and the chance to make dedicated full cutscene video DVDs followed right after.

So how t oget the darn game on only max 4DVDs .. lets see, ingame sound and music encoded to low wma mono phone line quality - check
graphics reduced to PS1 leve resolution - check

wow, there is a chance for MGS4 .. erm , nah, get real, the core elements of the MGS series where always the ultra high production value aka great sound and music and stunning visuals. You do not really want to play a game that looks like a PS1 port on a HD console. Thats just pointless. Except of course for you to brag on the internet about your console getting gameX (nananananaaana) but if you are that childish, then feel free to make an idiot out of yourself.

[supaflypriest1]

wow, you all really hate the 360, don't you?

[CrazedFiend]

Uh...

Did someone actually just disagree that my 360 doesn't have a hard drive?!?!?

Funny.

But anyway, I changed my mind. I DO want to see this game come out on the 360 now. I wouldn't get it (Metal Gear is only Metal Gear on the Playstation), but it would be good for a laugh.

Maybe it would come in a 20 disk changer peripheral that plugs into your USB port! (^o^)b

[WarEagle13]

you should get one with a hard drive

[redninja]

...and even if it did, it would likely only have less than 20 Gb of space. o_0

[EZCheez]

I never thought I'd hear someone say something like that so soon concerning video games.

How many porn mags is he trying to fit into the game?

[decapitator]

Kojima will deliver. Also, in ther article, it talks about the possibility of DLC..so hmm.

[DRUDOG]

There will be DLC, but what I wonder is if the online starter game is on the same disc? If so, that could obviously be a contributing factor in the game taking up a lot more space than normal. I know they had conversations about it possibly being a separate game (sold separately) so that's why I'm wondering if it comes on another disk or not.

[Rice]

and i thought Killzone 2 was pushing it...lol

[eagle21]

lol, Sony send the man 100 GB discs! lol....His humor is eccentric, but he tells the truth. This is a testament to this generation when you want maximum quality at an always 100%. You simply need the SPACE!

[Voozi]

Agree, get this man a 100gb disc! NAO!!!!

[Bonsai1214]

i thought ps3s can only read up to dual layers. don't quote me though

EDIT: added the up to dual layer. because i thought you needed a more powerful (or intense) laser to read through the additional layers

[mighty_douche]

I might be wrong but i believe its only a software update, not hardware. So technically im sure it could be done through a firmware update.

[jacobdevos]

you are completely wrong bro!
every ps3 game you play is on single layer
drake's got close w/ a 24gb game.. but still fit on a bd-25!

[Guwapo77]

It has already been stated that the PS3 can handle the 200gig version of the disk via firmware update.

[name]

There are already 100 gb blu rays I think.

[ruibing]

It's being developed right now. It's suppose to be compatible with current hardware, just a firmware upgrade should be needed.

[Gamer luv]

@ruibing.

That would be kool.
Then maybe you could have 2-3 games on one disk, and do little deals like buy 2 of the games get another free/

[Bonsai1214]

i'm hoping for lots of diverse, high resolution textures for the 5 environments this game will take place in. the audio will also probably be crazy, though i can only get up to 5.1. but there'll probably also be several hours of cut scenes. but if memory serves me right, the cutscenes are all in engine, so there it shouldn't take up much space compared to cg movies..

[Slayer OP]

Along with kojima confirming this as exclusive 7-10 times this is a reason why mgs will never come to 360.

[Rybnik]

Well, I think you may be right, or if it does, it is going to be seriously gimped. I was wondering for a sec when I found out that MK2 sixaxis control had been taken out, but this 50 Gigs is infact not quite enough statement is damn telling of the epic-ness of this title. Kudos to Kojima.

[MailMan]

UNLIKE the Xbox 3fixme,EVERY Playstation 3 SKU comes equipped with a LARGE Hard Disk to assist Developers who crave to PUSH the limits of story telling through interactive and ENGAGING in-game movies with THEATER like audio,so good luck and may the HORRIBLY WRITTEN Xbot petitions CONTINUE to fall on DEAF ears!

Jump OUT and Play B3YOND

[HarryEtTubMan]

lol @ Flopbox 360 with it's DVD9 HAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHA

[KidMakeshift]

It needs more cowbell!

[REALZILLA]

If the BD wasn't enough then the xbox port is going to gazillion disks. I could deal with Mutiple BD on ps3.

[name]

People aren't gonna listen. They want to ply this game, but they're fanboyism keeps them from buying a PS3. They're just gonna keep telling themselves all gen that this game is coming to their system. Their loss I guess.

[Fragking28]

The same way it keeps them is the same way it also keeps you from buying any of the other systems when the games are unarguably better so far. So much for true gamers anymore.

[Jo0j]

first of all, this is old news, flamebait.

second, you're in the wrong zone.

Contrary to what the SDF would like you to believe, not everyone cares for this game/cutscene. Rolling around in a trash can? LOL GTFO!

"Gaming R.I.P."

[Gamer luv]

Know what your saying.

but MGS4 alone isnt enough to make them buy the PS3.

[Ri0tSquad]

...............wow

Its official, Hideo Kojima is a fukin beast. I can't wait for this game.

[ruibing]

I already pre-ordered mine for 50GB of pure gaming goodness. This plus the MGO starter pack will enough for my month of June. I hope everyone who has been praising the game has preordered it by now.

[Gaara_724]

its an action/stealth game that is biger than an rpg game?? (lost odisy 40 gig mgs 49/50)

[eyeDEVOUR]

lost odysee is 4 disc...dvd is 4.7 gigs...so its less than 20 gigs

[ambientFLIER]

Actually a Dual Layer DVD is 9 gigs for the Xbox.

[Stubacca]

Holy crap.

A whole 9 gigs?

That's revolutionary isn't it?

[Jandre02]

A DVD-9 does have 9 gigs. Why did you all disagree? Still. That would take 9-dvds to play this game.

But hes right, its not 5 gigs per DVD on the 360 its 9 gigs. Haha. Wouldnt that suck if one of those DVD's came scratched?

[tfur]

dvd9 is just under 8 gigs...

[lalilulelo]

ACTUALLY, any dual layered DVD disc is 8.7 GB. people just say that it has 9 GB but truelly only has 8.7

[Guwapo77]

If BD50 isn't being enough why didn't they ask for Sony to make the Triple Layer Blu-Ray disk? It not like they don't have them in the storage room.

Even if BD50 wasn't large enough, why not have a BD50 + BD25?

Also, it seems like Kojima is complaining about this. Whatelse would you put it on? Maybe sell it on Harddrives...

[PirateThom]

It's because Kojima is a perfectionist. If Blu-ray was 250GB, he'd complain that it wasn't a Terabyte and the 250GB discs caused compression.

[Guwapo77]

I agree with you there. Just the way that dude comes off sometimes bothers me. Like he is trash talking against the largest current media medium we have today.

...I just realized something. MGS4 and MGS online is on this one disk. So the DLC will come for the online portion of the game.

[PirateThom]

A 360 DVD 9 hold about 8GB of game data.

This means the game, if ported, would require 7 DVDs.

Bring on the 100GB Blu-ray discs and PS3 firmware to allow playback.

[tweaker]

When multiple discs are released for a game, there are common and required data written on EACH disc.

Lets say Lost Odyssey has 4 discs and the first 4 gigs of data of each disc is used for required/common data. Then the remaining free space is for other new data for cgi, audio, etc... Lost Odyssey would be about 18 gigs of UNIQUE data and 4 of those gigs being required/common data. Like physics, textures, menus, whatever.

Imagine splitting MGS4 that is 50gb of unique data then writing the required/common data onto each disc. That would probably be A LOT more than 6 or 7 discs to fit the entire game. lol. This is assuming the data won't be compressed if you want the same quality as the PS3. Although according to Kojima, he already compressed data on Bluray to fit.

This game would most likely not be ported to the 360 with DVD9.

[gamesblow]

I think you're discrediting Microsoft a bit and what their plans are for the immediate future. When people say MGS4 will be on the xbox 360, I think they're only half right. When people say MGS4 will show up on an xbox system... I think they're getting warmer.

That's my "unbiased" take on things, folks.

[gamesblow]

Yikes, say something split down the middle and I get attacked... Let me put some reality into your drinks.

Let's say Microsoft comes out with their BD-drive... Let's say Konami puts a mandatory must buy this peripheral "kind of like R* was going to do with the HDD's for GTA 4 on xbox 360 initially"

That's 1 way they could do this port... Or... they could release it on a new xbox all together. It's not out of the question folks. I'm not super amped about MGS 4, myself. I'll take it or leave it at this point cause I've seen so many better things on Sony's plate. Games that look better and have more ambition.

I've no doubt MGS4 will be incredible to it's audience... but I think you people are putting to much bank into it being the end all be all game on the Ps3 and I have to tell you 1st hand... It's not. I've played the game at E for all... Until you do the same, my opinion has more validity.

[Slayer OP]

Please just stop....

Microsoft has already stated they dont want a bluray drive.

Just face it a port is impossibe. If you like trhe series buy a ps3.

Also you have not played the game so stop lying to yourself.

[TheExecutive]

I think thats a definite possibility, at least in some form. It wont show up until the xbox3 though.

[Ri0tSquad]

Sony, bring out the 100gb Blu-ray disc playback firmware update.

[BLUR111]

wow.... fart

[cjp4eva]

Bubbles for all of us Sony Defense FORCE!

@Gaara_724
@Hydrolex
@rofldings
@Mailman
@HarryEtTubMan
@Ri0tSquad

[The Killer]

i am also in sony defense!

i will give u a bubble!

[BLUR111]

do u think your so called Sony Defense force can kill the xbox on this site??...lol

[xsteinbachx]

it's called Defense for a reason.

[BLUR111]

u mean phony defence force. fanboys are powerless.

[jacobdevos]

i am extremely happy to read that bluray is important for gaming, for one.
all the skeptics saying it was just a trojan horse for the upcoming bluray movie standard are proven wrong today.

i am also happy to hear there won't be an xbox version, for any reason, but mainly so that i believed ps3 to be the better console and im tired of multi-plats coming out so ... boring looking. sorry to say it but i just see most multiplats to be very underpowered seeming.. i dunno

[hfaze]

Ahhh man... with Kojima being an obsessed perfectionist, this game is shaping up to be the definitive PS3 title.

50GB BR-DL is not enough for everything in uncompressed format? How huge is this game going to be? :-)

I predict that the MGS4 bundle will sell like hotcakes when it hits the shelves! ;-)

[iNcRiMiNaTi]

this is the one game that im dying to get. im a huge 360 fan but im also a huge fan of kojima. mgs and ZOE are really good series. i was hoping for a 360 conversion but this pretty much means thats impossible, at least the way its meant to be, disc swapping is a possibility for 360 but even i wouldnt want to do that. i have a ps3 i left at my brothers place and when this game comes out ill be sure to pick it up. i really wanted it for 360 because of MGO and i already have a good friends list and a certain group of people i play with and we switch between games like cod4, halo, and rainbow six. looks like im gonna have to find other people to play now.

[CaliGamer]

And tomorrow I'm going to go pick up my 360 from my cousin so I can be ready for Ninja Gaiden 2. Come on man, look at your profile bro, no one believe you have a PS3, please just give it up.

[iNcRiMiNaTi]

i never exactly said i played it. it was a xmas gift i never opened it at his house and never played online. i left it there and i didnt need the ps3 since i also got pretty good gamic pc for christmas, my 360 is collecting dust at the moment too anyway.

why u bein a fanboy? i never said anything negative about the game. and just cause i dont have a profile i dont have a ps3? ....right...cuz i HAVE to go online with it right? its madatory? ur an idiot go home fanboy

open zone is one click away

[mullet]

That is re-goddamn-diculous.

I guess that confirms your 360 port, doesn't it, 360 owners? Cry on.

MGS4 = Unmatched quality.

[darkshiz]

As Ryan Payton said if you won't MGS4 get yourself a PS3.

Only a fool would buy a 360 and expect to get MGS and a bigger fool would be a fan of Kojima's games buy a 360 and expect MGS.

[chrno6]

True, people buy ps3 for mgs4. Bubble up!

[eddierivera]

Kojima said he needs more space right? Well why doesnt he just use some harddrive space? Capcom took five gigs from me,, Id be glad to give my metal gear 15 gigs if he Hideo wanted me too. This game is gonna be freakin sic!

Oh yea, I gave you guys with only one bubble left some bubbles, I dont know why we ps3 guys dont stick together, the xbots do it, and they took most my bubbles. I went off on so many xbots and stood up to them in the name of my ps3 I dont know why I didnt get bubbles for doing it?

[LastDance]

because they probably noticed all the sh!t capcom was getting from all the idiots so they didnt think it was a good idea.

[cjp4eva]

@eddierivera

Bables 4 u!

S@ny D3f3ns3 Forc3!!

[she00win99]

i gave you a bubble, can you give me too?

[cjp4eva]

@she00win99

Done Bubble UP!

[ambientFLIER]

What irony, I just took a bubble from you...

[cjp4eva]

@ambientFLIER

Favor returned Nintenbi@ch.

@Homicide :) favor returned.

[Homicide]

LOL cjp! You're my new favorite guy. Bubbles.

[Azurite]

Maybe a quad layer... on "MGS4: Substantial" ;)

[drtxprt]

Yeah. I agree. I said the same thing after you did, I didn't read your comment before I posted...
MGS4: Subvergence ?

[Hydrollex]

ok now we know why Blu-ray is needed.

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

Does this mean that this game is not possible on 360? I'm already tired of switching discs for Lost Odyssey.

[snoop_dizzle]

if they make the 100gig disks cool...or two disks i don't care....just let me play it! I cant wait..

[Asurastrike]

Guess this pretty much squashes all rumors of a 360 version lol

[No FanS Land]

The Ps3 can read 100gb Blu-Ray discs. (quadruple layer confirmed by hitachi) But can the PS3 read 200 gb Blu-ray discs (six layers of 33,3gb) don't know, but I don't think we'll need those insane amount of capacity anytime soon.

[Guwapo77]

100gig Blu-Ray

http://www.n4g.com/News-725...

200gig Blu-Ray

http://www.betanews.com/art...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Although the Blu-ray Disc specification has been finalized, engineers continue working to advance the technology. Quad-layer (100 GB) discs have been demonstrated on a drive with modified optics (TDK version) and standard unaltered optics ("Hitachi used a standard drive.").[61][62] Hitachi stated that such a disc could be used to store 7 hours of 32 Mbit/s video (HDTV) or 3.5 hours of 64 Mbit/s video (Cinema 4K). Furthermore TDK announced in August 2006 that they have created a working experimental Blu-ray Disc capable of holding 200 GB of data on a single side, using six 33 GB data layers.[63]

[Homicide]

Isn't FFXIII going to use 100GB? That's another AAA PS3 game not being ported to 360 because of disc space.

[gambare]

FFXIII will have tons of 1080p videos, high res textures, music, scripts and codes and will need a high capacity BD, that would make a ridiculous amount of dvd-9 for a 360 version, and for the japanese public to see a bunch of disks just for a game is a no-no, with MGS4 we are watching how the 360 version of FFXIII is simply gone.

[Surfman]

MGS4 and FFXIII are not porting to 360 not only because of the blu-ray space, but only because they are exclusive to the ps3. The 360 got its exclusives titles, same for the ps3.

[ICUP]

This is the straw that broke the camel back. lol

[Jamegohanssj5]

I guess this pretty much means Metal Gear Solid 4 is the game of the year. I knew it would be a big contender, but wow.

The Genius has spoken.

[Diselage]

Game size does not dictate how good a game is. Looking at last generation i remember an article that was pointing out this fact. They were dealing with xbox 1 and how Halo 2 took up about 5 gigs where as Rallisport Challenge 2 took up 7+ gigs even though it was an earlier and graphically inferior game.

[resistance100]

lol all i say to those who think blu-ray isn't needed for games.

'Your not singing any more'
'Your not singing any more'
'Your not singing'
'your not singing'
'your not singing any more'
'your not singing any more...'

To all the people who are about to press disagree, lighten up a bit ;)

[ambientFLIER]

All I have to say to you is: Learn the difference between "your" and "you're".

[InYourMom]

@10.1 Nice pwnage.

You might just wanna leave the room now I think all these droids are going to start sucking each other off over this news.

Funny they are calling out "xbots" and not one Xbox person has commmented in this thread. Nice way to represent the worst gamer's in console's.

I doubt half of these people even play games, they are too busy trying to grow their tiny little e-penis.

[resistance100]

Thats the best insult you can come up with. I misspelling, if you can really call it that.

Im a playstation fan, no 2 ways about that, playstation is the brand whcih got me into gaming and i believe sony deserves my loyalty because of this, however i also own a 360 because im also a gamer and theres no way im missing out on the likes of great games such as Gears of War and Bioshock.

I've made this post in the fact that people like the mart and POG have been digging and singing the song 'Blu-ray isn't needed for games' & 'PS3 is no more than a blu-ray player' and we had to take this stick. This is just me having some friendly banter with them.

But still the fact you no little about the game you are bashing in this thread, kind of distroys what little credibility you had left. I mean you though MGS had CGI cut scenes for crist sake

@In Your Mum

Wow with that name that its tempting to just ignore your post, but i won't instead:

'
Funny they are calling out "xbots" and not one Xbox person has commmented in this thread. Nice way to represent the worst gamer's in console's.'

Point 1 - Err yes there have been, but as i already says, this is just us getting back/having a bit of banter with them back. Or are you to close minded to notice this?

Point 2 - I don't think any of us here are representing the console. I don't work of sony or get paid so why would i. Sony and People in the industry along with games represent the console, not me or anyone who posts here.

And one more thing just in case you don't believe me

[Razmossis]

shut up and stop making a mouth of yourself, and also, never start an outlash with, "Thats the best insult you can come up with" its just stupid

[tweaker]

Haha that pic is freakin hilarious.

[joeynox]

if 50 gigs is too little then either thye are bad at compression or the game is full of cut sceens and their will be 5 hrs of gameplay . Theres no reason for a game liek this to use up all 50 gigs.It looks nice but not 50 gigs nice.

[drtxprt]

compress the game??!! LMAO. Ur just used to 360 games taking an hour to finish in order to fit on 4.7GB SL DVD... sorry, but true. Kojima saw potential with BD for him to go out of the SolidSnake epic with a big-A** bag, he just maybe went a little beyond 50GB. This is not a bad thing, gamers should be excited about this since it will inspire all the other half-A**ed dev's out there to pick up the pace and progress the industry. If Kojima wants 100gb QL BD, give the man the F$%^$##& disk. Geez, that game alone is a console liquidator. Sony needs to recognize this and deliver to the loyal dev. team that is KojimaProductions... they have done so much for Sony. GIVE THE MAN THE DISK! Charge a little more for the game, I mean a flippin card game costs like $80 bucks.

[CaliGamer]

Kojima has been working on hardware for a long time and until he comes out and says that they did a bad job at compressing the game or something I think Kojima holds a bit more credibility than you as to what compression techniques are appropriate.
You don't even know the full extent of the game, i.e. the camo system in the game has 300 different textures alone, textures take up a lot of room and we still haven't been shown everything that will be included in the game.
No need to be envious, I'm sure Konami will make some excellent games for the 360, but to try and detract from a game you obviously want as is evident by your commenting on a story that obviously has nothing to do with the 360 is a bit sad. PS3's are cheap now, just grab one and you'll be cool.

[SubzeroX]

This guy is a ass if the main format that he wanted to make the game on doesn't have enough space, because if the could make full 16k games on the c64 back in the 80's bigger than games today then this should be no problem. I betting anything that this game is no bigger than the ps2 versions, and the only reason for it needing more space is because of hd which just wastes space all together.

[drtxprt]

THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!?? - on so many accounts i.e. 1080p, MGO??!!
LOLIRL

[CaliGamer]

I'm sure you can provide us with links that confirm your statements about length and why the game can't fit? Man you must be an insider or something, I am fully confident that your strong statements will be followed up by some empirical evidence of this. I'll wait for it.....

[ICUP]

Because most the xbots use multiple account to keep their bubble up.

Bubble 4 you. :)

[drtxprt]

If MGS4 had to use a 100GB disk, either Sony would make Konami charge more for the game since those disks alone are probably worth $50, or the game would require multiple disks, which looks bad for blu-ray, or dlc is required to add extra content which would piss off ppl who don't have internet. All of these options seem crappy. Is MGS4 worth $100 ? I know that I would definitely buy it for $100, but not the average gamer. They should just do what they always do with MGS games, which is probably what they will do: since they have to cut content... just release a subsistence/substance - like version after christmas to give that content and more to those die-hard fans and those who showed up late to the party.

[J@D]

YIKES 50GB aka a Dual-BlueRay Disc not enoughhh... MANNNNNNNNNNN that's quite a surprise. I might how much storage FFXIII will need man o_O

[Bladestar]

Interesting.... So, let me get this straight... Sony added blu-ray because with DVD9 developers would have to cut content... but here we have a game where Kojima himself admits that they had to cut content in order to fit it on a blu-ray disc... even worst that he is not happy with the quality... I think it's obvious by now that no matter how much disc space developers have it will not be enought for them... it does not matter how much memory, CPU there will always be more room for using more... and more...

So, does this mean the xbox 720 or PS4 will require discs with 200GB?

Also, did you guys know that there is a drop in reading speed for each layer added to a blu-ray disc? Do you also know that it cost a lot of money to make a 2-3 layer blu-ray disc specially if they are yet to be mass produced since currently single layers are good enough for movies.... let me guess some of you think that Sony will change all their production lines just to make a 2-3 layer blu-ray game for kojima?

I think the way things are going with this game... I would not be amazed if the game is released in 2 blu-ray discs... imagine... that would be an interesting thing to see...

Also, (this I am not sure) are you 100% sure that the lenses on the PS3 are able to read 2-3 layers just by upgrading the firmware? Who knows maybe it can... but forbit that the PS3 blu-ray lenses can't do this... than that means that some games will require multiple discs... example, if Lost Oddesey would to be released on the PS3 it would need more than 1 single layer blu-ray disc...

[tfur]

A large percentage of Bluray movies are 50gig today. There is no problem producing these. And, there is no problem with the PS3 playing dual layer Bluray disks. Quit the silly FUD, it's not working and it looks desperate.

Note all of the BD50 bluray movies...
http://www.blu-raystats.com...

EDIT: And your made-up speed per layer slowdown comment is FUD as well.

[CaliGamer]

Quote "...I think it's obvious by now that no matter how much disc space developers have it will not be enought for them... it does not matter how much memory, CPU there will always be more room for using more... and more... "

Though I don't know what your getting at with this statement, it sounds like your saying that more room will always be needed no matter how much you make available. Well, thank you captain obvious, what else is new.

I would hope your not saying that Blu-Ray wasn't needed because more space will always be something that developers want because I remember you months ago stating that with compression and a hefty amount of magic that DVD 9 would be all that is needed.

Again, I don't see the purpose of your post other than in some round about way to try and detract from this game and the system it's on. You talk about read speeds yet omit that the PS3 has an HD that catch data to mitigate load times.

I guess you had to come in here and fly the 360 flag to save face or something but your comment holds no water logically. Serious bro, this is getting really sad.

By the way, what does the last portion of the quote above mean?? "it does not matter how much memory, CPU there will always be more room for using more... and more... ", what is that? It sounds like nonsense man, really. Do you even read your post before you post them?

:Walks away shaking head: Why can't people just be happy that a great game will be released? It's not like you can't go out and get a PS3. Don't worry no one will know or care that you traded "sides". So silly.

[Black_Jack]

bubbles for cali and tfur.

[Covenant]

50GB isn't enough? Holy smoke.

Just how much space does he need?

I hate to say it, but if--HUGE if-this gets ported to the 360 later, it'll either need multiple discs, significant compression, or a friggin' load of DL content.

Makes one wonder what the next-gen will need in terms of storage, both disc-based and built-in.

[gambare]

the true current gen games are huge, the quantity of details, textures, sound, music and code makes impossible for a last gen storage methods to contain such quantities of data.

[Surfman]

Never on 360. Not only because of the blu-ray, but only because its PS exclusive, like the 3 others.

[Covenant]

Agreed. I think this is likely to stay PS3 exclusive; as one writer stated a few months ago, MGS4 may be one of the last of the major console exclusives. Blu-Ray capacity and Kojima's loyalty to Sony are the major reasons we'll probably never see this on the 360.

[Guwapo77]

I'm going to assume you mean from 3rd party developers. Because Sony has a lot of exclusives coming out this year.

[xav0971]

ever used up 50GB!! I don't believe him. japanese developers must be clueless about compression.

[Covenant]

Not necessarily--Kojima, and the MGS series, are notorious for the use of cut-scenes. He may actually NEED 50+ GB, especially if he intends to go out with a bang on his final MGS game.

[TheExecutive]

1.) Cov. is right
2.) No developer ever wants to compress the hell out of their game. They do it because they are FORCED to.
3.) Kojima has single handedly revolutionized the industry by blurring the line between movies and games, do you really think that he wants to compress his movie to oblivion? I dont.
4.) Also notice how he was complaining about the quality. Compression hurts quality and Kojima, bless his heart, is an absolute perfectionist.

[tweaker]

No game to date huh? well this article proves you wrong. And this is a game and the same developers that hardly uses pre-rendered CGI.

[xav0971]

what I said is still true

[tweaker]

your being limited by the size of your game by the size of the discs. kojima wants to go even further than BD-50 and just because no games to date has reached that point, doesn't make it not possible. You already heard it from the lead developer himself.

and about the cinematics

official trailer back in 2006:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

FPS = Forget Pre-rendered Stuff.

MGS has always been known to use real time cut-scenes. so I can safely stand by my claim

[she00win99]

i guess when they put mgs4 and mgo together, i wouldn't fit on a single BR disk

[Gazman]

wow 50 gig not enough, and ms not wanting to go with blu ray, mgs4 looks like its staying with the ps3 because no one in there right mind would want to play a game thats going to be on at least 6 dvds.

[joeynox]

msg4 will use 50 gigs just like when resistance was released it was said to use 40 gigs . Turns out it had like 30 gigs of disc filler files. The 50 gigs arent being used for textures because from what Ive scene its graphics arent anything better than cod 4. Must be music or cut scenes like in MGS 2

[TheExecutive]

lol not everything needs to be textures. Also we dont know how open this world is, nor do we know how long the game actually is. We dont know a lot of things, but I can tell you that its going to be long. No, its not all textures but the plain fact of the matter is there are going to be a lot of cutscenes and a lot of gameplay.

[tfur]

There were never any "filler" files. That was a story that was run by Joystiq, and then corrected. In fact, nothing in your comment is factual.

[Figboy]

Insomniac came out before Resistance was released and said that the game used up 16gigs of space.

Ratchet and Clank future used 22gigs space

Uncharted used 24

Heavenly Sword used 15.

stop spreading bullsh*t and get out of this thread. your pathetic attempts at trolling aren't warranted, wanted, or effective.

buh bye.

[TheExecutive]

you also have to think about R2. I dont think we will be seeing two campaign modes on the 360 anytime soon...

[Darkiewonder]

unless it's not out yet.

[Guwapo77]

Your absolutely 110% wrong. No such thing for the Blu-Ray.

- Don't worry. I didn't take a bubble just hit the disagree.

Also, if you see my post above. The 200gig disk are 6 layered with 33.6 gigs per layer.

[Guwapo77]

I see I have 3 disagrees. Give me a link to where they have single layer 50gig Blu-Ray disks.

If you are disagreeing with the fact there are 200gig Blu-Ray disks with 33.6gigs per layer. Look at my earlier post and you'll see it is fact.

[kazuma]

MGS4 IS GOING TO BE HUGE!
can't wait for it GOTY for me...don't care about all of the major hits...mgs4 will rule the world!

[Ri0tSquad]

Remain on quiet mode. lmfao, too funny.

[ambientFLIER]

That's because the Open Zone is reserved for PS3 trolls like Kaz and Sniper and their joke bait accounts.

[aiphanes]

There is no way Gears of War 2 will beat this game. Remember gears of war 1 was a short game...short because they ran out of disc space.

Lost Oddessey is a joke! Multiple discs are in the era of the Playstation 1. There is no reason to have a 4+ disc game.

The Xbox 360 is now on a downwards slope....microsoft is now screwed. Resistance 2 and Final Fantasy 13 will both be 50 GB bluray games...both not even remotely possible on the old outdated Xbox 360...

[The Dude]

MGS4 is not going to save the ps3 its to far behind. The game library of the ps3 just lacks. When MS drops the price of the 360 @ the GTA4 launch. RIP PS3.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

so what was HS's situation?

they ran out of ideas.
hell both were great games even if they were both short.

need less to say the only way to get big bosses rank in mgs 1 was to beat it under 4 hrs.....right?
if i can recall none of the mgses were over 9 hrs, also kojima never did say that mgs 4 was going to be a lengthy ride of 25 to 35 hrs.

[TheExecutive]

HS's deal is that they ran out of time. Too much time in R&D and actual development of the engine and not enough time on story and content. Expect HS2 to be a lot longer than the first.

[ambientFLIER]

It's getting pretty sad that developers have to cut corners in order to barely fit a game onto a 50 gb disc. I'm willing to bet there's about 100 hours of useless CGI movies and cut-scenes on there. I guess that's PS3 for you, the movie player :) What happened to the good old days of games that had no cut scenes and were actually meant for...playing?

[pwnsause]

kojima doesnt use CGI in his games you idiot. you never played a MGS game ever in your life did you? I love it when people just hate on games without playing it. thats why people like that one kid trolling in the PS forums got owned badly by "EON" one of the Killzone 2 devs. you failed you troll.

BTW, people of the open zone, please, we all hate ignorant fanboys, there is a red button right next to ambientFLIER's name, please click on it and press the "give negative feedback" button so he can shut up. thank you.

[tweaker]

goes to show that ambientFLIER knows nothing about MGS.

.....CGI hahahahaha

nice try.

[Ri0tSquad]

It's all real time, buddy.

"I'm willing to bet there's about 100 hours of useless CGI movies and cut-scenes on there. I guess that's PS3 for you, the movie player :) What happened to the good old days of games that had no cut scenes and were actually meant for...playing?"

Ah, a weak attempt to bash another game that is incapable on your Xbox 360. Nice try, but this game is known for its gameplay, not cut scenes. Its pretty clear that when you said 'CGI' that you never watched the demonstration of this game.

Anyone else?

I see someone resorting to personal attacks or comparing this to a 360 game.

[Vulcan Raven]

did mass effect not have crazy load times with the famous elevator? Anyway MGS4 will be one of the biggest games of 08.

[Mr Playboy]

let me guess ???

you got RROD last night :(

[jke82]

hence not a huge amount of disk space taken up by it...do your homework. also ya ever think...that maybe JUST MAYBE your not the only gamer out there..and maybe that there are people out there that like mgs4 games ya know a few gotta be out there right? i mean would they really put that much effort in a game that no one likes?? oh and another thing this movie player sh!t that people talk on the ps3 well using your same twisted logic doesnt that make the 360 just a crap dvd player that breaks down alot that only plays upscaled dvds.....ohhhhh burn....least my ps3 "movie player" does that, and upscales my regular dvds..oh and plays blu rays in hi def.. oh and upscales my ps1-2 games, oops forgot about the web browser....hey does the 360 dvd player do that.....nahh thought not.. see man stop with the bullcrap saying a ps3 is only a movie player because in essence thats all the 360 is just with added hardware for gameing (burn again) so hence when you call the ps3 a movieplayer its the pot calling the kettle black

[InLus]

I don't know why they don't just get a 100gb blue ray disc because there is such a thing. Read this article:

"TDK has developed a prototype recordable Blu-ray Disc with revolutionary 100GB capacity. By far the most advanced optical media ever developed, the prototype 100GB bare Blu-ray Disc doubles both the capacity and recording speed of the current Blu-ray Disc specification. Blu-ray’s industry-leading capacity means a single disc can store a vast assortment of content without making quality compromises. A single, prototype 100GB Blu-ray Disc can store approximately 9 hours of high definition video."

Link- http://www.physorg.com/news...

[PeterGriffinSays]

The PS3 was being bashed repeatedly non-stop when it first came out, but now people are starting to realize that this is the most future-proof system to ever be released.

Ever.

[jappa]

I THINK ITS MORE MOVIE THAN GAMEPLAY LIKE MGS2 that way it needs more giga

[tweaker]

sorry MGS has real-time cinematic cut-scenes. real-time cut scenes doesn't use the amount of data that pre-rendered cgi uses.

[jacobdevos]

BRING ON THE CINEMATICS!!!
i dont care what anyone says, a 50 gb game is something to look forward to
because that's the biggest game.. ever?
i can't remember a game being bigger, i dont even think one exists

[pwnsause]

so will anyone keep saying that BD is not needed? MGS4 is going to benchmark how a 3rd party game, although exclusive should be properly done on PS3 hardware.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

so.....what's taking up that much space?

[ScottEFresh]

That is just insane.

[supremacy]

@SubzeroX

but than why have an HDTV if the games aren't gonna be made in full HD? whats the sense in that? the ps3 like the 360 is an HD gaming console so i expect no less than having HD quality in my games if not ill get a ps2 or a wii instead.

kojima's comment is not matter of a joke but a statement, so i see sony and the rest of the BD association getting back to work soon after a few press conferences start taking place and the net start flooding with this bit.

man i mean look at lost oddesy and blu dragon even with all that compression which by the way lessens the overall quality of the game itself, comes in like 3 to 4 discs each. so.... again blu ray is needed.

im also sure that as soon as these 50 gig disc start running out of space like they did with this game im sure we will be getting those 100gb and possibly those 200gb discs as well, judging by this heck i wouldn't be surprise if final fantasy 13 or the remake of FF7 if it ever surfaces or the next god of war, make full use of these.

heck now TDK knows its got money waiting, so it wouldn't surprised me if they got back to working on those 100gb and making sure the ps3 can read them. if this happens this would make the 360 in my opinion look outdated.

no offense though i do too own a 360 and halo3 which is a great experience i must say. but this i got to admit is making sony's claims all the more accurate.

[JBaby343]

I'm wondering just what they are putting in this game. I didn't think BD would be too small at just over one year into the PS3 lifecycle. Especially a DL-BD. Must be some crazy stuff going into this game. All PS3 owners prepare for this one.

[Spike47]

abot mgs4 not being possible on the xbox360, it's possible, but it would'nt do the original version on the ps3 justice.

Kojima has too much pride to spend money on a crappy port, if anything he can create a new multiplatform IP, but just leave mgs4 where it can shine. On The ps3.

[JBaby343]

Blu-ray is needed for games. It's common sense that as times go on the necessity will become more and more apparent but people still argue. Can't figure out why. This game should be epic.

Xbox fans unite and prepare to tell us why blu-ray is not needed and how MGS sucks because it uses blu-ray and sucks even more because it's on PS3. Then go on and tell us how awesome it would be on the 360 when they compress all 50 gigs down to 100 kb so it will even fit on an old nintendo cartrige because as we all know that's all that's needed. Even DVD9 is too much technology for games.

[lalilulelo]

"This game should be epic"

this game WILL be epic

[hfaze]

And all of his posts calling the PS3 a Blu-Ray trojan horse, saying that Blu-Ray will never be needed for gaming? HAHAHAHAHA...

I have this game pre-paid, and can't wait to get my hands on it! =)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

So what does this mean, that PS3 owners will have to install 20gb to their hard drive? I can see it now, 2 hours to install this game to cut down on the 15 minute loading times, so you can watch 2 hours of movies before you get to play 10 minutes of the game.

[Stubacca]

20gb? Get real, Jas.

Better to have to install it on a fraction of your fully upgradable hard-drive than not get to play it at all.

Enjoy your RROD mate!

[Ri0tSquad]

Has pretty much NO loading times.

You fail sooo hardddd. Jason 360, I can't think of one post by you that doesn't have FAIL written all over it. Change your name to Fail 360.

@GETPWNED
The misinformed 360 fanboy returns, this time to laugh at something his beloved console cannot achieve or play, a 50 gb game on one disc.

Yes, thats about 8-10 dvds if Konami wants the same experience on the 360.

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Please, share with us all what your laughing at. We would love to own you again. Nothing intelligent, credible, or contributing comes out of your comments, your garbage.

[Sony sucks balls]

Hopefully Snake doesn't have a heart attack before his big ps3 debut. He's getting old and that nasty smoking habit can't be helping to prolong his life.

[gambare]

your envy tears are delicious

[jke82]

wouldnt matter to me about an install or all that garbage (cause come on man you know its garbage you exagerate to clareify your point which is fine) because ya know what...i love the games all of them have been fu(king awesome in my opinion, and its seems to be a sh!t ton of other ps3 and apperently 360 fans as well that think the games rock a$$ (why else for all the mgs4 comeing to 360 rumors?) so you may not like it just cause you know the 360 cant do it in its current state not only because of blue ray but hey because that 20gb install your worried about id hate to tell ya but the 360 cant do that either not all systems have a hard drive and the ones that do hey would ya look at that the standerd hd size is 20 gb........ take your hurt pu$$y some where else jason your mom says its your bed time

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

How much will need to be installed, and how long are the movies before you can even play the game?

[Stubacca]

Don't worry about it man, you aint got a PS3 anyways!

Red, Red, Red.

[t-0_ot-]

I kinda feel sorry for you fanboys.. Can't put your problems with one company aside so you 'punish' the other companies.. Too bad.

Have fun with MGS4, PS3 owners.. it will be a great game.

But..

While the PS3 Fanboys will only be playing MGS4. And,
While the 360 Fanboys will only be playing Splinter Cell,
I'll be playing BOTH MGS4 AND SC. =]

What is up with him?? Not enough on Blu-Ray.. So I guess he still isn't satisfied...

[baxter]

after MGS4 i think no one except the xbox loyalists could even think of a generic game like SC

However if i really want to play it i will definitely play it on my PC.

Being an XBOT dont bring up these damage control COMMENTS.

MGS4 is the best and the biggest game of the year. On the other hand no one cares about a generic game like SC.

If i already have a ps3 then why would i buy/keep a x360 in the first place when i know that all the biggest games of this year and beyond are PS3 EXCLUSIVE

dont compare your DVD games on x360 with something like MGS4

I feel sorry for you TROLL. nothing can save the x360 anymore

[Figboy]

last year, Kojima was quipping that a 50 gig Blu Ray disc may not be big enough for MGS4.

i guess he was right after all!

i can't wait to get my grubby mitts on this baby when it comes out on June 12th (already marked on my calendar!), whether it fills up a 50gig or not.

this news just reaffirmed, to me, that Kojima truly is going all out for his final Metal Gear Solid game, and i think fans are in for a real treat.

it's been a great 20+ years playing with Snake and Company, and i'm sad to see him go, but i wouldn't miss this event for the world. if there is only one game that i had to get for my PS3 this year, it would probably be MGS4. thank *GOD i don't have to pick just one, though. lol.

[nbsmatambo]

i thought it was Snakes last game not tthe end of the series?

[Figboy]

with Kojima gone, the MGS series is over.

i guarantee Konami will continue the series, and probably with Solid Snake as the main character (he is a clone after all), but i probably won't be as enthused about them as i am with the Kojima games.

hopefully, he'll get to work on ZOE 3 once MGS4 is all wrapped up.

*EDIT - 4 disagrees? for *WHAT?

Kojima *DID make a quip last year that he though a 50gig BR wouldn't be enough.

and i *AM super excited for the game, and can't wait to get my hands on it.

what the hell is there to disagree about?

[conswella]

nor will there EVER be enough space. whadya think, blu ray is the end all be all? is obsolete already, depending on how weirdly you look at it. its gonna last foreveR? try again with that assumption. kojima on the other hand, being superior to us all, finds blu ray insufficient. how would it have gone out for 360 i wonder?

[CaliGamer]

People are pissed at this story, saying everything from it being fake to Kojima not knowing how to develop games. Wow.

I would say that this is the natural progression, cartridges to CD-ROM to DVD to BLU-RAY (Could have been HD-DVD too if MS hadn't wanted to jump the gun). I don't see this story going away, I only see Kojima as the first of a potentially growing chorus of devs saying that more space is required.

I thought there was recently a baseball game MLB 07 that will need DLC for the 360 because they ran out of room, I mean it's one thing when there was just speculation about the usefulness of Blu-ray, it's another thing when we see actual developers saying that they need more space.

I can't even comprehend some of you daring to come in here and spew that same tired garbage about Blu-ray after the developers have said they need it. I mean even if you don't believe the devs just look at your computers, 5 years ago a 50 gig HD would have been considered huge, now it's barely enough to hold your collection of ABBA's greatest hits. Wake up people, your denial is getting disgusting.

[gameraxis]

Just have the blue-ray double sided like some of the games for the ps2... although you would still have to flip it huh? didn't think this one through sorry I'm dumb

[CaliGamer]

Crazy guy, but make excellent games.

[Snukadaman]

I got a xbox. is there blu-ray...nope..you sony droids can sit and laugh every time a story about blu-ray being needed is on here but the fact of the matter is as we speak there are plenty of games on xbox that doesn't use blu-ray..open your eyes.....is it needed too play the games...not right now.

[Alcaponeyou]

you're a typical xbot.

[Snukadaman]

no counterpoint huh kid..yeaa. 4 disagrees but one douche bag with small balls too say lick them.

[Alcaponeyou]

no!
keep on licking

[Snukadaman]

besides...you should look into a woman doing that for you kid....its fabulous...but hey..if your into guys who am I to try and change your mind..

[baxter]

that TRASH BOX 3 FIX ME is suitable for only REPAIR SHOP not in anyone's houses.

x360 is just a DVD player ..nothing else.

Oh wait my DVD player lasts longer than 3 FIX ME

Blu Ray is needed for HIDEF games like MGS4 ,KZ2 and HIDEF MOVIES.

enjoy playing LO,Blu DRAGON SHI* on your 3 FIX ME.

dont get bored though since LO comes in 4 DVDS and BD in 3 DVDs. what a shame??????

[supremacy]

@Snukadaman 3-
dude i love rpgs and so far both lost oddessey and blu dragon make use of more than a couple of discs and yes thats on the xbox360, blue dragon if im correct uses 3 discs and lost oddesey uses 4 discs. just because halo and bioshock and even gears which is like 8 levels long with maybe a few enemies on screen per level can fit on a DVD it doesn't mean a great rpg can, sure oblivion and mass effect, but we all know those were compressed to the fullest.

and besides most of those games i just listed are just that short shooters with online and dlc which is pretty much standard, but an uncompressed game with everything is meant to have will need the space lost oddessey is proof of that, this on the other hand just further adds insult to injury.

[hfaze]

"I got a xbox."

- Good for you!! I assume you mean a 360, but you could be talking about the original XBox, which also had a DVD drive..

"is there blu-ray...nope..you sony droids can sit and laugh every time a story about blu-ray being needed is on here but the fact of the matter is as we speak there are plenty of games on xbox that doesn't use blu-ray.."

- So since Microsoft decided to rush into the market and only put a DVD drive in the 360, then anything that offers developers more space to work with is just a waste and not needed?

"open your eyes.....is it needed too play the games...not right now."

- And I quote...

"In an exclusive interview with Hideo Kojima, the creator of Metal Gear Solid series, has made complains about 50GB BD not been sufficient. The Metal Gear Solid producer considers the Blu Ray disc too small and that they had to make compromises in order to put the game on the 50GB BD. According to Hideo, the programmers had to compress some parts in the game
to save disc space.

Kojima : I am not satisfied with the quality yet, however...there isn't enough space.

Interviewer: Not enough space..on..Blu-ray..?

Kojima: Yes.(laughs). Not enough space."

Personally, I say that MGS4 qualifies as a game... ;-) And as Kojima san himself says, even dual-layer Blu-Ray is NOT enough storage. So your little rant is moot...

Get used to it, 50GB of storage available to games is going to make for potentially HUGE games with massive story lines. I'm willing to bet that FFXIII will either be the first PS3 game to extensively use compression, or be on a 100GB quad-layer BD-ROM.

[Snukadaman]

Man its not like your even trying dude...your like a [email protected] actually strengthen my opinion...mass effect and oblivion both fit on one cd...exactly...compressed files indeed,,do you actually think if drakes fortune was compressed it would fit on a regular dvd...of course not right...because blu ray is where its at...and unixfreak...this is in the long line of sony horsesheit.. someone asks about the capabilities of blu-ray and throw in the idea of not having enough space on a blu-ray...want too bet the game fits on one blu-ray disc...of course it will..he laughed cause im sure thats not the first time some reporter asked that same question..and its a joke...so is this a proclamation that this game will be on 2 blu-ray discs? not likely.

[Chuck Norris]

A compressed file will lose its quality; Mass Effect is a good example.

[gambare]

how many disks lost odyssey got? a million?

[HeartlesskizZ]

One thing I will bet on, is that IGN,GS nor GT will be complaining about this game being too short lol, this game is like GTA series...takes very long to let go =D and that is not including MGO =P

[Doctor Strange]

Kojima set out to fill up the disc, end result he actually ran out of space.

This just furthers my belief that MGS4 is going to be great.

[kobonline]

Isn't this the Gamer Zone?

Some people need to get a life and just play the games, not fantasize about them.

Really.....Just sitting here reading some of these post made me realize how Dorky and Fanboish some you guys are. I'm own all 3 systems and one thing that i'm NOT concerned about is the media storage space.

Who cares?! Give me a good and fun game, and I'll play it all day.
8 gigs, 25 gigs, 33 gigs, 100 gigs, So What?!!

This "Console War" is really getting old and stale.

If you ask me all of this comparison stuff is overrated.
Everybody thinks that MGS4 will push the PS3 over the top, I for one will buy it, but I know the facts state that the 360 is still killing in software sales. Thats a fact. And i'm no Fanboy at all.

You fanboys need to show more attention to your wives and girlfriends and stop sticking your "peters" in your favorite consoles USB port and keep the fanboyism in the open zone.

[DevastationEve]

just have fun and game on.

[367 To Your Ass]

50 GIGS

and it looks like this......am i supposed to be jealous of this?

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/meta...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/meta...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/meta...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/meta...

yeah go ahead disagree thats not going to change how it looks.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

yeah see thats what i'm saying.

ps3 only has 512 mbs of ram, 256 of GDD3 and 256 XDR

256 of GDDR3 is used for textures and the other is used for the maine system.

360 has 512 as well BUT it's unified so it can use up to 440 of GDDR3, 60 of which is left for main system.

[DevastationEve]

(WhiteElite) correct accept it has 10MB of embedded memory, 512 of GDDR3, 440 of which can be used for graphics/textures and 72 is left for main system.

total of 522 MB.

[TheExecutive]

those screens are from september 20th of last year or earlier, 9 months before its release. Keep your panties on, you ought not judge a games graphics 9 months before release.

[Dragonopolis]

If quality is really his concern he would have given us a 2 disc set. I would pay for a 2 disc Blu-ray MGS4 if it meant higher Quality/better gameplay. Yes, 100GB would be nice but probably not feasible now. Stop complaining and just do the damn thing!

Come on now, this is the guy who was first telling all us xbox gamers that this game would be possible on the Xbox 360. Not even close if he is struggling to get his game to fit on the PS3. Not even possible on the Xbox period.

He may be brilliant but he does contradict himself at times.

Maybe this is the sign of the times for gamers that developers are actually getting a grip at to what it really takes to create a next gen game and Sony got at least one right and that was Blu-ray Storage. Devs need it. Gamers stuck in the N64 era are finally waking up to the fact that it takes a lot of space to really bring out a game for any system. PC games are great still on DVD9 but what if Devs put the same effort in optimization and took advantage of every little ounce of power available to the PC user? Probably would be a mind blowing like nothing we seen before but of course would require gobs of Space that PC still have yet to change. Maybe now that Blu-ray won the Movie war, this will speed up the adoption of Companies putting out Blu-ray so PC devs can partake of the data space orgy...

The funny thing is that this remark sort is saying the the PS3 is already feeling the signs of Next Gen age at one year. Xbox 360 is already heading for the nursing home and its only been 2 going on 3 years.

Next Gen Sucks! But we love it anyways!

Sorry to say this folks but technology plus competition we will be lucky if a console last 4 years. This is no problem for Microsoft who is already use to 4 year life shelf. On the other hand, Sony really planned for 7 to 10 years but I don't think it will work this time around without some major hardware changes to the PS3 along the way (like more memory for one).

Its marketing talk thats all this is.....

Just push it aside folks nothing in that article is enlightening.

P.S.

Just thought I take the more negative approach to balance out all the Kojima worshipers that are bound to show up. LOL!!

MGS4 is still going to rock!

[Dragonopolis]

if you disagree you obviously are a fanboy......

Its a joke people chill out

MSG4 rock on!

[DarkSniper]

Dark Sniper laughs at the fact they most Microslaves have true belief that Splinter Cell:Conviction will be a superior game than Metal Gear Solid 4. Funny indeed.

$niper

[Guwapo77]

I'm not sure why I like you DarkSniper but you get a bubble anyways! /salute

[lalilulelo]

bubbles :)

[supremacy]

@PWNSAUSE 17- & @JBaby343 18-

man guys it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, and im with you guys a 100% on this now i just hope you guys don't wet your pants if i say the next small list of games im gonna list below might even go further than mgs4, just think length sound resolution, textures and details.

GT5 the actual game. Killzone 2. Final fantasy 13. God of war 3. Heavy rain. Wardevil if you don't know by now what this game is, please do a small research as you might like what you find out. 8 days. Getaway 3. killing day. Afrika might im not sure but might reach that barrier as well. Twisted metal ps3 im sure of it David jaffe is know for perfection as well, so i know he ll try to make big maps for this game and use a lot of sounds and physics. and of course Resistance 2 will definitively reach or be near the current 50gig mark. and obviously if ZOE3 does come to the ps3 and kojima is behind it than yeah after reading this you can just simply assume the obvious. and finally but not lease a final fantasy 7 remake would probably require a 100gb disc if its to be fully remade, oops no scratch that a 200gb disc sorry.

[hfaze]

I wouldn't care if a PS3 remake of Final Fantasy VII ends up on three Blu-Ray discs (kinda like the original on three CD's) as long as it gets made... ;-)

[pwnsause]

I've seen wardevil, looked at the tech demo, and it looks ridiculous. the best part is, that game promises 1080p, because the engine is built for 1080p games.

[Exia]

Not enough? Well I guess it's time for the 200GB Blu-ray discs to come out then. :)

[VigorousApathy]

It probably won't be physically possible for current Blu-ray readers to be able to read the 200 GB discs, but the 100 GB discs work and they'll be implemented eventually since it appears they'll become necessary for some games.

The PS4 will probably be designed specifically to use the 200 GB discs. There are also theoretical discs that can do 250 GB, but they'd have to be proven concepts. I think 200 GB's could probably last for the PS4's generation, considering Microsoft has managed to make due with DVDs not becoming obsolete until right about now apparently.

[slapsta72]

1. hahahahahahahahahaha

2. it's more your fault kojima, not blu rays

ps this game is gona be huge!!!

[goodgameslover]

If gamedevelopers are already complaining about discspace in the very beginning of the Blu Ray era, even if they haven't used the Double Layer yet doesn't bode well for the future for BR.This is not the first time developers complained about discspace, i read in interviews from the makers of FFXIII and also from the GOW3 creators also that the had problems with the size of BR. And probably will have to make (small) sacrifices. At this pace BR will also be a memory like regular dvd's in 5 years, at least on the game front.
This is of course my opinion.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

so where does that leave the XBOX 360 and its use of DVD for games?

And have you not heard that they are working on 200gb blu-ray discs?

Guys, seriously, it would help if you guys actually challenge the first sets of thoughts that pops up in your heads. Because otherwise, your comments comes across as a bit bias and annoying.

you've mentioned that devs will have to make SMALL sacrifices, ok i agree. but hasn't sony teach you anything? the space issue was already being worked on way back in 2006, now had you guys been able to see past your noses, you would have seen that the 360 with its dvd9 approach was just a fling, and that with next gen gaming, you need a next gen format, thus, blu ray or hddvd, and of which the 360 had neither....

[VigorousApathy]

You're right. Playstation is screwed. I guess the Wii and the 360 will begin to shoot up in sales now that it's confirmed that none of the consoles in this generation have enough storage space.

It doesn't matter that DVDs hold 9 GBs and Blu-rays will soon be able to hold 100 GB if the developer wants to make a 101 GB game he'll get confused, won't know which console to pick, and he'll make the game for PCs instead, you know, the fat guy with glasses, the skinny guy is the Mac. Or maybe he'll make it into a movie or book. Poor f'ing Blu-rays with their crappy storage.

[timmyrulz]

This is a good thing? to me all this says is its just another game with 60 hours of fmv and 8 hours game play, and i bet you have to pre install for an hour

[MiniMii]

Its a movie experience. So yes, its a good thing.

If you disagree, than go play cooking mama.

[Kwertie]

If they actually, y'know, compressed the audio with a similar method that DVDs use, a Bluray would have plenty of space. It's when you have 8 channel lossless audio that it fills up quickly. I'd rather have more game content than an audio track that 1% of people will appreciate over AC3 or something.

AC3=3.3MB/minute
Lossless 7.1=360MB/minute

Therefore 90 minutes lossless audio is 32GB. Plus FMV. Plus sound effects. Plus music. Plus game code. Plus textures.

It's crazy. It's like people forgot about efficiency and how to code. Remember when N64 games used to fit in 32MB or less and still provide 60 hours or so gameplay?

Also I'm dreading the load times. 2x Bluray is slower than the 360's DVD drive. Guess this will be another 20 some minutes of installing.

In b4 flamers, but is this coming to 360?

[The gaming GOD]

Hows bout that Mgs4 360??

LMAO

[Tru_Blu]

Ok let me start by saying, I'm not trying to flame anyone. But to get 7.1 uncompressed,takes a ton of space. I also know some fool is going to say Dolby "insert" is just as good.

NO IT'S NOT. I own a ton of Blu-Rays(52, counted just for you) I'm running a Onkyo 605 with 7.1, trust me uncompressed is by far the best audio you can get. It is the way it was meant to be heard, not the way some tech from Dolby thinks it should sound. Any PS3 owners want to put that to the test, all you need is 5.1, HDMI and BlackHawk down. Watch the Dolby version then the uncompressed, night and day.

[Kwertie]

I'm not disputing that there isn't a difference, but Onkyo gear is pretty high end stuff. How many gamers do you expect will benefit from it? Not many. I just have some Sony 5.1 system and I know a friend of mine who is a mad keen Xbox owner has a worse system than mine (and it's not that he's tight on cash, he has a 42" LCD against my 28" CRT)

I know what you are saying, I am a bit of a quality buff myself, ESPECIALLY where video is concerned, and it's a no brainer that uncompressed would own anything. However there is a bit of a trade off. That 768KB/s per channel could be used in a compressed format, and that would allow even higher sampling rates.

[Tru_Blu]

I hear ya. I paid 740 for my setup, Onkyo HT-SP908 7.1 Channel Home Theater System. But you can get a good HDMI system in 5.1 for about 300-400. Tax returns are for splurging, lol.

And 768/channel maybe a bit high. A good uncompressed runs about 2Mb/s, with 2 being the ceiling. About 1.6 most of the time. Still a 2 hour movies is 10,800Mb for uncompressed. You are right, most don't care. But that is what the PS3 is about, putting the high-end stuff to work. Please don't take that as a shot, I'm not a fanboy. I was a movie fanboy for Blu's but gaming, no. I have yet like all of you to see something that blows everyone else out of the water. We are talking about audio, so ya maybe the 360 can't do the audio. But who has the 7.1 like you said, I like the fact I do and it will be used.

[Tru_Blu]

What is kinda funny though is I'm running a good sound system on a 1080i tv. I'm waiting for those OLED's to come and drop in price before I buy another one.

[Enigma_2099]

What is he trying to do?!?!?

[Lex Luthor]

If that's the case, then konami must be horrible programmers and/or optimisers.

p.s: i would hate to think how long installation would take.

[Kaz Hirai]

Ah, you igonrant naive Xbot PIGS! Take your "console" back to the Stone Age where it belongs!
Sony Soldiers, doesn't it feel great to be proven right? Perhaps we should call a WAAAAHHHMBULANCE for these miserable SWINE!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[lalilulelo]

"SWINE"

i love you KAZ!!! thats hilarious!!!

[retro]

about what BD is really used?

to my knowledge PS3 games currently use BD single layer 25 GB discs...?!

[Tru_Blu]

A lot of movies use 50Gb's already. So the PS3 using them isn't a question.

Cars for one:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movi...

I'd imagine, MGS is on a 50. If it was a 25, they'd just give him a 50 to work with and this story wouldn't be here.

[Midane]

Depends on the game...I know for sure that Resistance has over 30GB (as far as i can remember - 36GB) of data...Uncharted is somewhere around 25GB (7GB only for the audio/language)...on the other side, games like Gran Turismo 5: Prologue are 2GB heavy (without the update), so i you can never know how much space they use...

[THC CELL]

shame blu ray team are working on a 200 gig disk cough

[pwnsause]

hold on man, save that for ZOE3.

[bumnut]

just because its 50 gb does not mean its full of quality content.

i love mgs games but the cut scenes are too long and boring, he must have gone overboard with all the available storage.

wasn't heavenly sword a full disc? that sucked balls so that proves that
quantity does not always mean quality.

maybe he had to duplicate the data to compensate for slow transfer from bluray (its possible)

[Tru_Blu]

I was with you till you said Heavenly Sword sucked. Maybe it was short, yes. But you are a fool if you don't think it was a great 8 hours. Also I'd bet they put all the audio for all regions on one print. MGS has to have 2 different presses cause of the audio. Again, how the hell can you say that game sucked? I can see the to short argument. But sucked? Must be a fanboy, only way.

[Midane]

Well...this is just another reason showing that the game will be great and a must-buy...Hideo you're the man, keep up the great work...

[TheMART]

Well well

Yeah with 20 sec. gameplay, then a movie that counts a minute, another 2 minutes gameplay and after it a 6 minutes movie, yeah it'll take up a lot of space playing that way. That's why the Metal Gear series are pretty boring.

BTW

"the programmers had to compress some parts in the game"

Uh yeah... Uncompressed data eats up a lot of space. So how much would the game eat up if it was compressed properly totally? Yeah they've got to put some work into it

[Tru_Blu]

I know the ban is coming. But ya I'm with the Mart, I'd rather play that slide show called Mass Effect. Who needs 15 frames per second? 12 is just fine.

----> we will both be in the open zone soon, see you there.

[Tru_Blu]

30 min, no reply from the Mart. Did I sting to hard? Mart I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.....

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Does it sting as much as having to install 1/4 of the game? Mass Effect has no install and it has probably as much dialog and gameplay :) You have used up almost all your bubbles in this news, which means you been in overtime "spin mode". 172 comments and 8 bubbles... hmmmmm?

[Tru_Blu]

Ok since the ban is coming anyway. The only 'Install' was from a multi-console game? Uncharted set the bar for graphics and audio(7.1, on a game???) Ya those untalented fools look bad, while 1st party's and Infinity Ward seem to be able to do it. And god forbid an install? to make the game run better? What blasphemy is that?

But ya a 20 min install is bad....Capcom!!

Edit: I coulda talked poop with the Mart or this other fool for 30min. So maybe that time isn't so bad.

2nd Edit: If I'm in 'spin mode,' you are in 'troll mode.' Explain to me how you happen to click on a PS3 thread if you don't care about it???

I'm sure I'll see you guys in open zone soon. We all belong

----------->

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You are only tracked by "one" person, 173 comments and 8 bubbles. One would figure that you would be more "popular" and clearly a Sony fan. So how many accounts does it take?

PS3 thread? This was on the front page, you know "front page" that place that we all go to when we log on?

[Diselage]

Why would you guys be put in the OZ. When you state your opinions about a game or console it's fine. If ya don't like it a game or console you can still post about it in the GZ. Now start attacking other members or post complete fanboyism like"XBOX SUKS<PS# FO3V0R5" then yes that may get a ban.

[TheMART]

@ Tru_Blu

You sound bad man. I am giving my opinion on the game and I should be moved to the Open Zone? You sound like some sort of mind police control. If you don't like what someone says, you want to remove that person. That sounds really, really bad.

Moving to the OZ is when you are personally attacking, trolling or whatever.

This is my opinion. You don't share mine, I don't share yours. I think you should be moved to the OZ for trying to get people into a ban if its based on NOTHING

[assjacket]

Maybe he needs some better coders at his studio who could do a more efficient job.

[Black_Jack]

maybe bill gates needs some better engineers at his factories who could do a more efficient job..

[sak500]

Most idiotic comments ever by the sony idiots. This shows their level of intelligence. I guess being 13yr old you dont have much sense in what the news is about and whats the reality. So what if that idiot wants 100hours of videos fitted in his movie ooops sorry game? For last 2 years 360 has next gen games with amazing graphics gameplay and sound and these games were neither on HD or BD discs. So if this lazy a$$ person cannot even utilize BDs capacity then he shud just time travel to future where 1 TB discs are available or learn a thing or two from Bioware and oblivion's devs.

As for moronic kids, this is the first time someone is saying BD is not enough. Your best games from last year cudn't even fill 2 dvd 9s worth of stuff let alone 2 BDs. Anyway good for you all and hopefully loading times will not be more than 5 mins per load since the data wont be duplicated ala most BD games.

[bootsielon]

It's obvious that if there are "Sony idiots", you're a Microsoft idiot, or Microsoft Slave as known in gaming circles. Anyway I won't bother ripping your retarded argument to shreds, it's not worth it. Better clean that clogged vagina of yours, I guess living in the Middle East may be correlated with having too much sand in there.

[CaliGamer]

It's like someone called you mom fat or something, it's just a game buddy, there are enough PS3s for everyone.

[Mr Playboy]

Do whatever you want

[hfaze]

When the Dreamcast was going head to head with the PS2. The Dreamcast, which was out a year earlier had its GigaDisc-ROM drive (hybrid CD technology), and the PS2 was packing a DVD drive.

All the claims that DVD was not needed for games, and how the Dreamcast had great games that didn't need DVD... Cross-platform games ran and looked just fine on both systems, so it only fueled the anti-DVD flames.

Then the PS2 finally gets a game that makes it stand out from the competition (at the time it was GTA3), and the rest is history...

I'm not saying that MGS4 is going to be the game that catapults the PS3 into the lead, but it is a sign of what's to come for PS3 owners. Freaking huge games with cinematic storytelling. That is why I was (and still am) more excited about the PS3 than the 360 or Wii.

[blade402]

well, i thought mass effect, from bioware, was sorly lacking in well... everything. so no its not a big game. especially side quests and just plain old content.

[whoelse]

Wow so many replies!

Sony need to pull out the 100GBs!

[MiniMii]

Hahahaha, you just gotta LOVE how blind and delusional these xbots are.

Kojima: "MGS4 is only for the movie theatre"
Xbots: "b...bu...but...butt, most movies also come out on DVD, so while Kojima says its only for the movie theatre, in reality it means a 360 port is coming."

Kojima: "...ok, in that case, let me say that MGS4 is exclusive for the PS3."
Xbots: "b...bu...but...butt, thats what capcom said about DMC4 and look at how that turned out. DMC4 is now multi platform, so while you, mr kojima said it will be exclusive, in reality, its really coming for the 360 too."

Kojima: "Im Kojima. I make the game, ok. Its not coming.."
Xbots: "b...bu...but...butt, we dont believe what you say Kojima. Because you need to sell 1M on the first day and because Konami decides whether or not the game comes out on the 360. By porting it for the 360, really, thats the best thing you can do. It will guarantee millions of sales, trust us."

Kojima: "sigh...oh and btw, 50GB is not enough."
Xbots: "b...bu...but...butt, that doesnt mean the game is not coming, mr Kojima. Although you make the game and you considered 50GB not enough, in reality, you are really porting the game over to the 360. We know hehehe. Just admit it hehehe. Just bend over and port it, hehehe."

Can you believe these xbots?! Hahaha!

Hey xbots, didnt you say UT3 360 comes out on March 4th? Well guess fking what, stupid pigs, its already March 2nd. So where the fk is UT3 360 then!!! Hahaha, its not here. Everything you clueless bots say, are fking fake and wishful thinking.

When they said PS3 TIMED EXCLUSIVE, they FKING MEANT it. Hahaha. Man, xbots are totally uninformed and fking CLUELESS.

Didnt you say that HD DVD was gonna win and Blu ray was gonna fail? Wasnt Blu ray supposed to go the same road as BETAMAX? Wasnt it all over because PRON industry was behind HD DVD? Wasnt Sony going bankrupt because they make 200 dollar loss for each PS3? Gues again, stupid pigs! Hahaha.

Didnt you say that 360 would outsell the PS3 in 2007 and particularly during the Xmas season? I could have sworn legions of your kind, swarmed forums all over the net, proclaiming victory over the PS3 with Halo 3 and Mass effect walking all over the PS3 library! What happened there, bots? Hahaha.

Didnt you say how Tekken 6 and FF13 are all joining the 360 line up? So what happened there bots? The best game you folk was supposed to have, is a fking 10 year old N64 port that you are not getting. Here is an idea: BLAME NINTENDO for destroying 360s last chance against the PS3. Oh wait, you bots are already doing that hahaha. Blaming the competition for blocking their game from porting over.

[blade402]

Correct

You sir are correct

.

[bootsielon]

So they have to resort to bullshots.

[xaphanze]

Now we know for sure it will never come to 360.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

@ people who think they know more about game developing then Kojima and say Kojima sucks.

[vloeistof]

imaging for ff xiii

[Creepa at GameManx]

I know right it gonna be crazy

[ChickeyCantor]

come on kojima, the game will sell no need for more hype!

Btw not to bash anything but MORE doesnt mean BETTER.

[gunnerforlife]

can a ask 30 fans something.

even if MGS4 was coming to the 360 would u want it in 9 casses like that box in the pick, sure as hell wouldnt want a game with more then 2 casses. heck even 2 is 2 much

[PirateThom]

I'm sure Microsoft would just make a standard case with a 3-discs spindle and then a load of paper sleeves.

[Hollander]

With all due respect to kojima, if he can’t fit a game on a 50GB disk then he is doing something wrong…

[Ital50Stal]

Agreed!

[callahan09]

Just because most games don't use that much space doesn't mean he's doing something wrong by using the space. The space is available, why not use it? These games have hours upon hours of audio and uncompressed lossless audio takes up a lot of space. It's his choice to use lossless audio, and if it doesn't fit like it is, then they can either put it on two discs, or they can compress some of the audio. It's no big deal.

[ChickeyCantor]

somewhere allong those lines i agree, although it also depends on what the content will be(gci/audio?).

but you cant put stuff in there that will suck all the RAM there is in the PS3....unless the content is directly being read from the disc.

[supremacy]

@Hollander

with all due respect to you.

maybe the guy likes quality and its games? you know he has been known for pushing the envelop and what these people out here are forgetting is that, this is whats consider the last metal gear game. and if you know by now this game is supposed to unveil laid out all the facts and secrets of the whole metal gear saga so for him to just trim a game down of this magnitude would simply be unacceptable to anyone especially him.

besides i can still remember him saying that he wants metal gear solid 4 or any game that he makes to be more than just a simple game he wants a cinematic experience.

and with the technology available i don't think he would like to settle for simple compression methods i mean this is a guy who just loves to show the world what he is made off by pushing the envelope on whatever he does. if more developers where to take his approach than we would have better games instead of waiting for some to come once every 6 or 8 months.

i think, no i believe that he like any major developer deserves respect. if it weren't for guys like him than we would have to settle for crappy ports and constant clones of great games, and EA with their back to back maddens now that right there is sad. and all those lego games, that also is sad too many rehashes and clones that is sad my friend.

all i have to say here is let the game release the way it is, and than when those 100gb discs start rolling out than simply come out with a substance edition with all its intended detail and features. heck i don't blame him for not wanting to compress a game i actually admire that,

shoot i paid 600 for a gaming machine thats supposed to show me why i invested in HD. not compression techniques.

[ChickeyCantor]

" shoot i paid 600 for a gaming machine thats supposed to show me why i invested in HD. not compression techniques. "

i dont know if you know, but compression is still needed.
You cant just overload your RAM with big files it makes any Game run slow.

[Hollander]

@supremacy

I happen to be a avid mgs fan and my comments have nothing to do with me not wanting to believe this game is going to be massive beyond all expectations. I have how ever question some decisions Kojima has made in the passed and as such take some of the thinks he says with a grain of salt, he is after all an eccentric.
I don’t claim to know what he has in store for us with his latest instalment but
never in the history of gaming has a game ever needed more then 50gb. Hell World of war craft has had a steady patch update of 100MB every other month for the last 2 years and even with the burning crusades doesn’t even scratch 15GB. Also I have enjoyed the conversations between characters in all mgs games (which to anybody that has played any of them knows there are plentiful) there has to be an incomprehensible amount of conversations in this game for it to fill 50gb, even if you just throw in al the conversations from the other games you would still barely get over 10gb.
So logistically I some how question that.
Also with al the problems other developers are having with the ps3 hardware (namely Capcom) I wonder how the ps3 can cope with 50gb of data, if it apparently can’t even handle 9gb with out an install. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[Jack Bauer]

i expect a very very long long long long game...typical jp style 360 game is about 12 hours...so i expect no less than 75 hours long...considering i beat MGS2 in about 8 hrs, i doubt it.

[Citizen Cook]

this guy is a JOKE!

He obviously wants to make movies, not games, someone give him a job.

HA HA HA HA!

[blade402]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

you can't play it on the 360

HAHAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOL!

[unjust]

Metal gear sucks anyway I hope it dosent grace the xbox 360 and if it does maybe they can include an weapon besides a toothpick. When has there ever been this game is so over pretenious of itself its not even funny. The story sucks that is of coures unless you like jap anime fused with americanized warefare. Yes I am bashing this game because Sony needs to create something new for their console rather than make another series of this crap. Its not even an original title Nintendo had it first and it sucked then. Sony has let me down in the past few years. It seems like their struggling to find a game that makes the mark Resistance is ok but still looks like a rip off of GOW meets COD Killzone 2 why the first one was god awful and if memory serves me right If the first one sucks gamers wont attempt the sequel

[callahan09]

Konami makes Metal Gear. The Metal Gear Solid series did indeed first appear on the Playstation. Not a Nintendo console. And the original Metal Gear was for the MSX, not the NES. But MGS is really pretty vastly different from the old ones. It took the series to a whole new level of storytelling and animation, a change of perspective, and new gameplay mechanics. Just like how the Metroid Prime series, while similar to its roots in exploration gameplay, is really completely different from the 2D Metroid games in most aspects of its mechanics and presentation.

Your opinion seems pretty ill-informed and you arrogantly express it like you believe it to be fact. The way you talk about how bad the story is and then mention what's required to like its story comes off as pretty derogatory to those of us who do understand and appreciate the story that Kojima-san has crafted.

[bigjclassic]

future proof after all, or at least till 2010. Devs like GG already had Killzone taking up over 2GB per level. That's insane. If Sony can make the PS3 read 100GB or 200GB BD-ROMS than whats the point of devs porting games. And look at the state of the devs now. FarCry 2 devs, Kojima, Naughty Dog etc. has claimed that BD-ROMS are needed this day and age. Not to mention after GTA4 and Midnight Crap, Rockstar is going PS3 exclusive (L.A. Noire which will probably be 2x bigger than GTA4)

A port is possible on 360, like it is possible to port MGS4 on the Wii. But we all know it wouldnt be the same on those two consoles. MS failed in the very beginning by not letting the 360 use HD-DVD as its "gaming only" format. And if MS dosent plan on using BD-ROMS, then what are they going to put into the next Xbox?

[jappa]

I THINK KOJIMA IS PS3 FAN
what has they make when the next gen started the 360 get rumbel xxx a girl fighting game. they focus too much on mgs4. and blue.

[CrazedFiend]

Can't...cancel...comment...

[tosh61]

why are people still commenting about whether or not MGS4 is coming to 360. ITS NOT!!!

[Ital50Stal]

Its most likely not..like 99% chance it wont...but "KOJIMA cant repel MS money of that magnitude" - Admiral Ackbar

[jeanm3306]

blu-ray is needed, if blu-ray wasn't needed all those extra content would be dlc and we would have to pay extra for what should be for free. that's what microsoft is doing. Most of the content can't fit on dvd9 so they make you pay extra for it on xbox live. where on blu-ray most of the thing fit, we don't have to pay extra for what should be free. like for instance psn is free, you xbox are paying extra for what should be free. As sony update the PSN, you 360 will have nothing on the ps3. Don't talk bad about the ps3 not having achievement. for all we know achievement is on it's way. Eventually the ps3 and the 360 will have feature to feature, heck the ps3 might even surpass it at the rate sony is going. As kojima stated 50gb is not enought, that's enough proof to say blu-ray is needed. as soon sony roll out the firmware update for 100gb. I wonder what will you guys say when a game get to level of 90gb, you will say blu-ray is not needed to. only a moron would say something stupid like that. the reason blu-ray is needed is to get a complete experience(in game cgi, 50+h of game play,no extra pay for dlc, that should be free).

[Says you]

GTA IV is multiplatform so how can that be the end for the PS3 when technically the PS3 isn't even far at all for catching up the Lamebox 360 I mean the game isn't only exclusive to that lame system that you call a console! and I love it when you XBox 360 fans think that GTA IV is going to kill the working console when in matter of fact it isn't! if the games from that broken down system didn't kill the console that is working from 2007 then what makes you guys think this game will considering its for that console aswell??.

[DFresh]

This should be a good time for us Sony fans to upgrade our hard drives.
Having all this great stuff like Home, PlayTV, too many good games, etc.
40, 60, or 80GB hard drive won't cut it.
I think to really make sure we get everything we want and more space i think we should get either a 250 or 300GB Hard Drive.
Maybe...
To keep it save I'm gonna buy a 500GB Hard Drive.
Our Blu-ray players still can handle the reading of the blu-ray disc if movie disc space goes up then game space goes up.
I still think it's scary that a 55GB Blu-ray disc isn't big enough this means it's gonna be bigger than anything coming out.
PS3 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doctor Strange]

Wow these comments really took off. I'm glad that Kojima actually ran out of space because that means he and his team were trying to get the most out of Blu-ray disc.

We all know Metal Gear is going to great, I can't wait until June know.

[Infernus]

I'm sorry, but if MGS4 ever comes to 360 it will have to have everything compressed to fit on a DVD and it doesn't sound like it would even fit on one disc when fully compressed.

Compression = lower quality.

It's getting to a ridiculous level of fanboyism where people start saying that having a multi-disc game over a single disc game is a good idea simply because they don't want to buy a PS3 to play MGS4.

That's a pathetic argument, why should we stick to DVD's when BD's are the future? The answer, we shouldn't. Times are changing and if people are still in the mindset of believing that every single game will fit onto a DVD over the coming year and into 2009 they're smoking something because Blu-Ray will begin to phase out DVD's by the end of this year. They've started mentioning the format in ads now and as more and more people buy HDTV's, the Blu-Ray player sales will increase, then the price of Blu-Ray films will drop and DVD's will become the VHS or CD's of our time and will eventually disappear.

You can stay faithful to the 360 if you want, but hoping DVD will stick around for longer than needed as a gaming format is going a bit too far. It's worth getting ready for the investment in a Blu-Ray drive for your PC in a year or two.

[Eamon]

No, this is hardly true.

Video and Audio quality is hardly lost with good compressors.

You should say: "Longer times to load compressed files than uncompressed."

Remember, video and audio files are digital. That's why with good compressors hardly anything is lost.

Edit: And I don't think Blu-Ray will become niche until 1 or 2 years. Not many people know what Blu-Ray is. But everyone knows what DVD is. DVD won't die till another 3-4 years.

[Eamon]

I mean Kojima wants to make all the audio lossless and uncompressed so imagine loads more-than-HD audio files. Of course it would take a lot of space.

Look at Mass Effect. Imagine how much audio it has but it can still fit on a Dual layer DVD because it is compressed.

I think Kojima wants MGS4 to win best sound game of 2008 or something.

There is hardly any difference between lossless uncompressed audio and HD-codec compressed audio.

[Not the Face]

you sony losers go nuts when there is even an once of semi good news with attacks. get real, it just shows how bitter you are for waiting for anything to come out. oh and wait this game will be 20 gigs of music,,,,

[gambare]

3 dvds of video for lost odyssey tells you something?

[sheng long]

eamon, why do you think compressed music files don't sound the same as wav files?
by they way, try to compare a compressed video file from market place. let's say lost in HD and compare that to the HD-DVD version. It's not even close in terms of audio/video. in the world of A/V compression means lower quality.

[Eamon]

I remember once, a few years back, when I was doing a bit of video editing. I made a video (not HD resolution though) in uncompressed form and compressed form.

When I compared the two, they were the same. Why is that then?

[sheng long]

One more example.
what do you think is the big difference between Coaxial, composite, S-video & component video?

what makes each cable i listed better than the next?

[Diabloz]

Why dont they use the 100GBs DiscS?

[PirateThom]

Compression does mean lower quality. That's what compression is, reduce quality to reduce space.

Those "HD" videos on Marketplace? They're lower quality because they're compressed.

Files from iTunes? They're lower quality because they're compressed.

[Eamon]

When compressing, you can reduce quality in order to save MORE space (Lossy Compression). Or you can compress without losing quality which wouldn't save as much space (Lossless Compression).

I think that's just it.

Edit: Look at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Its a little hard to understand but try your best. lol

[PirateThom]

Well, there are a few lossless compression formats, FLAC comes to mind, it's lossless, but reduces file size 30-50%, but that's compressed, similar to a zipfile, it still needs to be decompressed for playback.

Decompression takes up valuable resources, especially in games, so it's something developers try to avoid.

[Eamon]

hmm...
But anyway, I think it wouldn't take much to time to decompress with next-gen (this-gen lol) console technology.

But anyway back to MGS4, I don't think (losslessly) compressing the sound in MGS4 would make much difference. Maybe Kojima should do that instead of complaining about 50gb of space. lol

[sumfood4u]

WHAT THE HELL!? Thats 10 shy off of 1st PS3 hit the streets! alot of 60GB owners arent going to be pleased with this! I'm scared to ask what FFXIII wil run! lol

[Creepa at GameManx]

cosign

[kingOVsticks]

xbots,wiitards and sony droids(always wanted to type that lol) can't deny the greatness of this game its a shame that Kojima didn't ask for a 100gb layer br disc if he did then damn the possibilities but for the little things like original Japaneses voices, or dare i say the infinite ammo bandana ,i can see a psn section just for MGS4,MGO with those things downloadable. Hearing kojima say that 50gb wasn't enough only makes me more excited of how full the game is and how big MGS5 will be on 100gb(yes there will be a MGS5) maybe even a 200gb.All in all this will be a MEGATON in the video game industry this will only inspire developers to make better games. I really hope you guys that don't have Ps3 get one or at least know someone with the game. I think everyone should play this game when it lands from heaven lol.

[Ali_The_Brit]

suck it 360fanboys

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Well I don't think anyone saw that coming. Hmmm!? What could solve this...Oh download the game. Instead, of selling it on blu.

[PirateThom]

Download over 50GB of data and store it where?

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Petraeus]

The man is a master or an idiot. It's an action-shooter for crying out loud!

He needs 50GB+ for all that CG..that's about it.

[Creepa at GameManx]

You sir are the "hype"

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

The Metal Gear Solid Series isn't known for Computer-Generated Imagery (CGI) but in-game graphics throughout.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Not enough space and 75+ weapons, this is gonna be one BIG game.

[timmyrulz]

The 360 has been churning out a much better catalogue of games than the ps3 on dvd9 so how does this really "hurt" xbox fans? two years later an im still waiting for the ps3 to show me that it is really the "true" next gen console, oh sorry its so next gen that most devs cant even code multiplats equal to the 360. And ps3 fanboys, just actually listen to the dribble you spout, when you all eventually grow up and just look at the rubbish you come out with you laugh your head off, cos i am. EVERYONE knows that the ps3 isnt all that, and to kid yourself is just foolish

[gambare]

because the 360 hype time is over

[DeZimatoR]

So a 50GB BR isn't enough for MGS4 to be what it could be.?! So lets assume MGS4 would need a 60/70GB or even a 100GB disc to be all Kojima wanted the game to be.

That would mean it could take from 6/7 to 11 DVDs (assuming each DVD has 9GB of space) to put the game on DVD.

ROFL.

The image of the news was done as mockery but thinking about it would be damn close to the reality if MGS4 ever got ported to the 360.

HAHA! Just because of that I would indeed like to see MGS4 getting ported to the 360. I bet after the opening cinematic you would have to put Disc 2 in.

Hilarious!

P.S. "Blu-Ray? Nah, thats not needed for gaming, Sony just put it in the PS3 to force ppl to suppport their new disc format."

Right.... ;)

[Creepa at GameManx]

LMFAO!

[Razmossis]

That theres like a 30min install wait for MGS4 so I can have a wank thinking about the fact that i am going to get to play with an Old Snake! lawlz

[DJ]

Write a letter to them.

[DJ]

Ted Price of Insomniac already stated that 100GB Blu-ray discs will be common for PS3 games within the next few years. The haters obviously can't deal with the fact that PS3 developers finally have enough room to create the next-gen titles that they've always dreamed of.

Blu-ray allows for more content, and higher quality content. Simple as that. It doesn't mean all games will be 300 hours long though. That wasn't a realistic expectation when we jumped from CD to DVD, and it's definitely not realistic now that we've made the jump from DVD to Blu-ray. More data storage means a larger library of audio samples (no one says the same thing twice), little repetition of objects and environments, higher quality textures, room for FMVs so that the game engine can load more data in the background, etc.

I'm glad that that Sony had the balls to support a brand new format, especially since it was in the best interest of game developers and ultimately gamers like us.

[Doctor Strange]

I agree, they took a gamble and it paid off. Giving developers the room they need to work can only mean better games.

[xsteinbachx]

Agreed

[ICUP]

Well said my friend.

Bubble 4 you. :)

[wild-noob]

just after hearing what kojima said in a few minets i recived this video

[ps3 is my champion]

haha

[darkside]

best video EVER!!

[Wozzer]

Bluray - The superior format

[Kwertie]

@21.2 Tru_Blu
Seeing as this is my last bubble, I'll make this a good post.

When I say 768KB/s... Well that was a God damn brain fart. I'm ashamed of myself. I've been encoding TV rips, music videos and DVDs since around 2002, and bitrate in bits and bytes is bread and butter stuff. I screwed up bigtime.

Well let me explain. I'm not sure about what sample rate the PS3 uses for audio, but for storage purposes I was working on a 48KHz, 16bit uncompressed/LPCM stream, which is 768kbps (96KBps) per channel. So thats 1536kbps stereo (which is slightly higher than 44.1KHz, 16 bit stereo CD audio which weighs in at 1411kbps). That would make 6144kbps (768KBps) for 7.1, 48KHz 16bit. At that rate, 1 minute of LPCM audio is 45MB.

With you saying the bitrate seems to range between 1.6 and 2.0mbps for audio, that suggests to me that maybe it is using a lossless compression, rather than being uncompressed lossless. Nothing wrong with that, but if that's the case, then it voids my workings out because different audio compresses at different rates, so it's hard to generalise. Or maybe sample rates can vary between movies (if they are encoded differently or with different features). To be frank, I'm sadly not up on HD-DVD/Bluray audio codecs, I'm more of a video man, so I can't and won't try to comment on those.

And no problem, I didn't take it personally. I can contend with people, fanboy or not, as long as, like you, they know the facts and have a valid reason. Even if we don't appreciate the audio now, people can in a few years time. It wasn't until I got a new TV in 2002 that I was able to hear my SNES and MegaDrive in stereo for the first time! It seems weird, but TVs just didn't seem that bothered about audio back in the days, and I was running a 20" hand-me-down, so what I am saying is that may be in a few years when 7.1 is more feasible, more people will benefit from it and appreciate the fact that the game did have it. However in my opinion, at the moment it's a feature that will be largely unappreciated and may be sacrificed in favor of DTS or something, perhaps even one of the new lossy codecs.

Compression doesn't necessarily mean lower quality. It's simply a trade off. Think about it. 1411kbps gives you 2 channels uncompressed 16 bit audio. With a good audio codec, in the same space you can get 5.1 audio, 24 bit. Sure you have to keep an eye on the quality level to make sure there are no obvious artifacts, but in most cases it can lead to a favorable tradeoff.

Look at it this way. Uncompressed YV12 320x240 @ 29.97fps is 26mbps. Depending on the content, a 1080p H.264 video can be easily encoded at 20mbps. So, uncompressed 320x240 @ 26mbps or compressed 1920x1080@26mbps? I know which I'd choose ;)

[t-0_ot-]

Chuck Norris - Chuck Norris is a 360 fan..

And, No, Blu-Ray is NOT NEEDED.. for this Gen. BUT, it is a great FEATURE to have.

Next Gen it will be mandatory, for MS, imo.

@wild-noob - Funny video. =P
Just wondering... I thought Liquid was dead? Didn't I kill him like 3 times already??

Iuno bout MGS4, though.. Don't we already know that he dies?? That would kinda ruin the game.. Doesn't he kill himself?

But, None the less, I'll still get this game and play the hellouttait.

[blade402]

You are not right. You are wrong. You need to get an education. You smell bad. Go get your 360 repaired now.

[AGZEN]

the guy has gone nuts i mean aint 50gb enough? wow this is gonna be the best adventure stealth game of 08!

[t-0_ot-]

AGZEN - have you ever played MGS games?? The previous games have A LOT of cinematics.. this game which so much more space will MOST LIKELY have A LOT of... you guessed it, cinematics.

But, yea, no doubt will be a GREAT GAME.

[Itachi]

what ever the size it will be a great game

i hope there is the invisibility camo

[xsteinbachx]

I hope i get to ride the warthog also, and the banshee.. wait wrong game...

[joeynox]

IF it would come to the 360 it wouldnt take 8 dvds it would take 1 minus all the crap cut scenes that kill the game and would force a lazy dev to compress some stuff. I cant wait for this game ,Uncharted is the ojnly reason to have a ps3 right now mdg4 will be a nice new game for my 1 game ps3 library

[ps3 is my champion]

It turns out that it's coming to the 360 after all, this video is living proof!

[xsteinbachx]

ahh reposting someones comment for yourself :p

[unjust]

Because you obviously don't know the history of this game. It is a fact that Nintendo first had this game back in 85' if your where around then. That is when it appeared on the 8bit system so before you say that I'm ill informed better check your facts.

[callahan09]

Why would you even ask me if I play games? I made comments that are factual. You should have checked your facts before responding to me. I factually stated that Metal Gear is a series made by Konami, not Sony. I also factually stated that Metal Gear was developed for and initially released for the MSX2 computer in July of 1987, and is the only version of the game officially recognized by Hideo Kojima as a legitimate, definitive version of the game. The NES version is not considered definitive by Kojima, and it was not the original release. It was ported down with sacrifices to the less powerful Famicom in December of 1987. Not 1985. Please do your research before making accusations in the future... it's in your own best interest.

[Rhezin]

lol now the ps3 fangirls are saying OMG OMG WHAT IF IT WAS ON DVD9!? lol I was I could beat the life outta all you pathetic losers. Face the facts blu-ray was too small for your ULTIMATE game. IT FAILED AND SO DO YOU

[BCkmar]

i cant wait

[ReBurn]

Sounds like Kojima is still kicking his hype machine into full gear. He better deliver 100% on this game, because with all of the moaning and other eccentric behaviors he's been displaying he hasn't left himself any room for error.

[tell_ron]

I love my Wii, it is the best console it rocks. I know it will look amazing and play even better. With the controls and active pitch it will be great. I can not wait. The Wii also handles compression so will I am sure the will get MGS4 down to a DVD or maybe 2 CD drives.

Just kidding. PS3 fan. Not sure what active pitch might be.

[FKN Unbelievable]

If the cutscenes were done with the in-game engine it'll be a different story. I mean should it REALLY MATTER HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED? Inever head this bullshit when MGS was on 2 or FF7 was on 4.
Your only saving grace and before you can say it will be good ya'll worry about the format its on. You better thank god Sony got game to come out on time. Besides if all Phony Funstation owners really knew MGS for waht it is you know that this game is heavy on Movie sequences and Small on action(not saying that the action is'nt good. but c'mon). I can see it all over again. The same missions only easier to appeal to the new legions of fangirls. I love MGS though but after playing MGS2 the game just got easier.

[xg-ei8ht]

Least you forget, if the 360 could have this game and it was many discs, how about disc scratching, rrod. even with elite.

Seriously ppl, if you want a next gen machine, just buy a ps3.

Its all in the box.

Blu-ray
Hd
Browser
Free online.
Home coming soon:)
Good ports now.
Many many exclusives.
Cell
F@home.

And so much more.

what are you waiting for.

360 is dying.

And you 360 fans know this to be true.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

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[djevolve]

360 RULES PS3 SUCKS MY AS-

[IQUITN4G]

Fitting just code music and textures isn't what takes the majority of this space.FMV is where all of that can go and so why is it this may be a problem in a game that uses ingame cutscenes for the most?

[Figboy]

the only people who think an obsolete disc medium is going to be around forever are those X Box 360 owners that believed Microsoft when they said that "DVD is enough for this generation."

not all games will use up a 25gig BD. not all games will use up a 50gig BD, but some will.

not all games last generation were on DVDs (Ico, and the original Lego Star Wars game are just two that come to my mind that were on CDs, despite DVD being the new medium for games).

at least *ONE of the console hardware manufacturers were thinking ahead, and decided to put a larger capacity disc into their machine *JUST IN CASE it was ever needed.

thankfully for Playstation 3 owners that are Metal Gear Solid fans, they made that decision, as i can't imagine *HOW MGS4 would have turned out if it was being shoehorned into a 9gig DVD (7.5gigs on the X Box 360, due to the 1.5gig formatting thing on their DVDs).

Playstation 3 fans never said Blu Ray was the be all, end all of disc storage, but it was certainly, inarguably, a step in the *RIGHT direction.

and by the way, there are already 100gig and 200gig Blu Ray discs in the works, which can be read by *EXISTING Blu Ray lasers, with only a firmware update required to let the PS3 read them.

Kojima is a great developer, but he's just *ONE developer. he's a perfectionist, so naturally, he'd be one of the first people to really push the Blu Ray disc format. hell, it wasn't until Metal Gear Solid 2 on the Playstation 2 that people actually *SAW what the PS2 was capable of, and stopped riding it's nuts so hard (oh, how people forget that the PS2 was a whipping boy for the media back in 2000, just like his new sibling, the PS3).

once again, a Metal Gear Solid game shows us that, "yes, Sony's machine is quite impressive," and "yes, Blu Ray is indeed *NEEDED for today's games."

considering that Kojima's titles are generally the *DEFINING stealth action games for each generation of Playstation, despite the fact that he's practically burned out on the series (ever since MGS2, he's been trying to move on to new projects, but his fans keep dragging him back in. regardless, MGS3 was possibly the best in the series, and MGS4 is looking to top *THAT), i think he's earned the right to voice some complaints.

it's also about context. i can't read Japanese, and i don't trust a loose translation, so i don't think he's foaming at the mouth, raving mad that he had to compress a little data to fit MGS4 on a Blu Ray, just that he's disappointed. who knows, maybe Sony can give him a 100gig disc before the master disc needs to be shipped off to the manufacturer for production sometime near the end of May (they need at *LEAST 3 weeks before release to press the discs and package them to be shipped off to retailers).

MGS4 is gonna be great regardless, and the PS3 is a very well built machine. i hate the buzzword "futureproof" (this isn't the only time Sony's tried to use such phrases), but more and more, the PS3 is showcasing it's versatility, not just in it's software, but in it's hardware as well (ie, constantly upgradable Blu Ray firmware capabilities, and even the ability to upgrade to play larger capacity discs, also through firmware, not to mention the upgradable hard drives, mouse and keyboard support, etc). it's a great machine.

[issa3032]

Well, it's good to see that Kojima is hard a work on what is shaping up to be an amazing title. I just hope that he doesn't restrict himself. If he needs another disc or HDD space for that matter, by all means, give him what he needs. This is, as we have been told, his last game so give him what he has earned and let him make his game the best that it can be. To all gamers, I would like to think that we can all appreciate a good game, whether it's game case be green, clear, or white. Take care guys.

[EZCheez]

To round it off to 400 comments. That's a lot of comments.

50Gb's not being enough is insane.

[DrPirate]

lol, 400 comments

[ChickeyCantor]

like i said before, i wonder what kind of DATA that needs that much space.

you can have a allot of stuff on one disc but think about how this game is going to handle RAM.

so i guess AUDIO and CGI take big spaces.
you cant have big FILES that will be loaded into the ram this will cause an overload and will slow the game down.
unless its directly and constantly being "streamed" from the B-ray disc.

Kojima should be specific on why he needs so much space!
for now i just think its a bit of hype making, while this game doesnt need more hype to sell imo.

[Tacos]

It looks like they mustve put a lot of work into MSG4. I would say that this game would own GEOW 2. But I dont know. I would have to play the second when it comes out in Novemeber. I know the first one was good, minus the short 5 chapter campaign gameplay. But being that Kojima needed bigger than a 50GB BD is a sign that this game will be huge!!...Sony PS3 FTW!!

[HalfFireWater]

is on the disk. It will be interesting when the hackers get their hands on it, and they figure it out, sort of like when Oblivion came over to PS3. And pls lets not all forget too many cutscenes does not make a great game(unless you like paying for interactive movies). I really enjoyed Naruto and that had a but load of cutscenes, granted not CGI or ingame, but still cutscenes. Oblivion had few and fit that huge world on 1 DL-disk, now the expansion took two disks, but they stored to your hard-drive and off you went. M$ didn't mess up with staying with DVD-DL, they messed up by not having the hard-drive mandatory and bigger.

I really hope that there is no loading to the hard-drive for MGS4, because that will blow big-time, not saying there is only Kojima knows, but if there is, those hard-drives are filling up big-time.

I see MGS4 moving 2 mil in the first month easily, this and GTA are the only true Halo killers in terms of hype and desirability. I do have a question though. MGS best selling game is which one, MGS2 which only sold 5.56 mil, and MGS3 did less in sales number, with an install base of 100mil+ that is pretty bad. So for all of Kojima perfection he can't move units. Perfection without sales = good try.

Now what is my point some may ask, if kojima doesn't get the sales that he wants on PS3, through hell or high water he has to port over to the X360 because low tech or not, X360 owners buy games. 20% of PS2 owners purchased MGS2, so if 20% do it again this gen, that means only 2~2.5 mill sold. And that will make Kojima attempt suicide (just kidding) because that will make this game the worst saleing MGS game on a Sony platform forcing him to abandon them like he did Nintendo.

[sephy 9 2 5]

Since its being bundled, I'd say easily 5-6 million. And I'd imagine it getting to about 3 and some change a lot faster than Motorstorm or Resistance.

[callahan09]

Yeah, when your installed base is 160 million or more (which it is for the PS2), then you can't exactly expect your game to breach that with a significant percentage. Some of the best selling games on the PS2 are Maddens, and I think Madden 07 (maybe it was 08, can't recall, actually) sold like 16 million. That's 10 %, and one of the most successful games of all time. Anything in the millions is extremely impressive and you're a fool to think otherwise.

Also, MGS 2 sold over 7 million.

[Saint Sony]

BD is not enough!!omg how cool game it will be.. Hehe, fanboys are often so blind when news are about the game they all wait.

This happens just because all the assets needs to be saved multiple times x 1000 to make it run a lot smoother + loads of cut scenes.

[HalfFireWater]

According to VGChartz the best selling franchise for PS2 is GTA, with MGS2 coming in at 10 all time, Madden ranks at 17 with only 4+ mil sales. now my numbers come from vgchartz so they may be wrong but use them as a constant. And you talk about an 160mil install base. Saying that you are right, that means that alot of PS2 had to be second and third purchases or that alot of PS2 games were bootlegged around the world. Now I know that X360 games have been pirated like crazy but they have that online feature that makes the retail copies fly off the shelf. I don't know. Maybe SOny needs a huge install base to move as many copies of games as XBox does with(using your numbers) an eighth the install base. Like I said before Sony's best franchise is no longer exclusive and that was and is GTA.

[callahan09]

OK, well I looked it up (which I was too lazy to do before I made my initially posting, I can admit) and you're correct: It seems I mixed up the Madden numbers for PS2 with the overall numbers that it did for all consoles combined.

But either way, the best selling PS2 game is Vice City @ 15 million. That's less than 10% installed base. So, yeah, my point still resonates. Just because, out of 160 million PS2 owners, only 4% of them purchased MGS 2, that doesn't mean it sold poorly. It was an extremely successful game. In fact, it was the sixth most popular game on what is the most popular console of all time. And MGS 3 sold millions as well, and was in fact the 17th best selling game on the all-time best selling console.

The series has been extremely succesful, and you can't argue against that.

And the Xbox only sold 24 million, and its best selling game, Halo 2, sold 8 million. That's 33%. It doesnt make it a more successful game than Grand Theft Auto Vice City, because it barely sold more than half as many copies. I'd argue that what it really shows is that the PS2 has such a huge, expansive library of games that people of all sorts of interests have bought the system. Not everybody who's bought it is interested in a Grand Theft Auto, or a Metal Gear Solid, or a Final Fantasy, or a Gran Turismo, or an EyeToy game, or Guitar Hero, or whatever. There's a massive variety of games, and the installed base has a massive variety of interests, so the highest rated games don't necessarily sell to everyone. The people who have bought PS2's don't feel like "Oh, well there's one game that's the flagship of the console, so I think I'll get that." There is no flagship game on the console, the PS2 has many choices for everyone. The Xbox, on the other hand, had a far more limited selection of games in a more limited selection of genres, which were being marketed to a smaller installed base with less varied interests.

[FKN Unbelievable]

The production cost of this game? IF it will need major promotion done to ensure that it crack the break even point. If it don't then expect to see MGS4 in about 3 DVD's on Xbox 360 to re-coup lost money.
Besides with the compression techniques nowadays and 360 not using 9.1 surround(LOL!) IT would be a cheaper port thus bringin milions.

Not being a Fanboy but being logical.

[Sevir04]

GTA... each GT has sold in the upwards of 10 million with the lowest selling 10.2 million and the highest GT3 selling 14 million Sony's Best first party Title is GT series. the MGSs and GTAs and FFs are the 3 top 3rd party titles for the PS2 and ps1

[HalfFireWater]

What you said makes sense, is true, and you said it in a better way than me. But I don't think MGS has the same affect as the other 2, GT and GTA. GT is the pinnacle of racing games and GTA is the best at sandbox. MGS is good but 12mil total doesn't impress. FNK is somewhat right, if the production cost are too high, they may not recoup their money

[TrevorPhillips]

i dont get it mgs4 dosent look the best game out why do they need more space i know that Killzone 2 each level takes up 2 gigs so i cant be sure if they using under 25 gigs or maybe more but but yea games like RE5 looks much better and im gettin that for ps3

[Cupid_Viper_3]

how you guys
1. compare games that are totally different from each other.
2. and how somehow the xbox camp can talk about how "Kojima better deliver 100%" because of so much "HYPE" around MGS4...

lmao, you guys never stop do you.
ok FACTS: no matter how you put it, 50gb wasnt enough, so suck it up.
FACTS: Kojima dont have sh!t to prove with MGS4 really, what other franchise do you know, that goes way back 22 years? So stop kidding yourselves, ok?
for future references, don't compare GEARS, or HALO, Or KZ2, or R2 to the MGS series, why? because they're not of the same gender or class, and secondly, They just dont measure up.

And please stop with the "oh, MGS4 is so hyped, it better measure up". b!tch please, you mean just like HALO 3 did? You get a green hand sticking out a gun from a screen, and shooting at little purple stuff, and you call it the greatest thing ever, for the third time around. to anyone who've been playing halo franchise for like 6 or 7 years now, please tell me when was the last time you did something else besides, jump, shoot, and run, in the last 6 or 7 years of your halo career.

I mean i know im probably offending a lot of people on here, im sorry if thats the case. but i just can't stand the lame comments that people leave on this site sometimes. like, "oh, 30 hours of CG movies" stfu. It just seems that you guys can never just give credit when and where its due.

I'm still dying to play GEARS, great game, so Is bioshock. But to wine about Heavenly Sword being too short, and cry for MGS4 on 360, and later dismiss it as 30 hours of CG movies, really makes some of you sound like little b!tches man, and ya'll need to be pimp slapped.

[The Wood]

also think sam fisher is tougher, what you reckon??

there is a lot of jealousy about this title. Im sure 'they' would love it if it was going to 'their' console. from 30 hours of cgi to the most cinematic experience evAr, lol, i mean you gotta laugh sometimes

[THE_JUDGE]

thats nuts, they should just go ahead and throw the extra stuff on another Blu-ray 25. That solves everthing! I would buy it no matter the cost!!!

[SonOfHeaven]

There wasn't 100 million users for the PS2 when MGS2 first came out. MGS2 came out within a year of the PS2 and it sold well. With the PS3 selling faster than the PS2 within the same time frame expect MGS4 sales to be very good.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Its got to be weird knowing that not only will your xbox console will fail at any given moment but that there is a Big dark shadow lurking behind the scenes that is the ps3. Xbots i know you guys hear that the ps3 will be doing everything that your machine is currently doing and according to us ps3 gamers 2008 is the beginning of all the greatness. Shoot it really doesnt start until ps3 gets grand theft auto. I mean think about it ps3 has about 5 games and thats it, that means Sony just started to get crazy with it. And by my experience as a former xbot games and updates just keep on coming. Only it was different as a xbot because I knew at the end of 2007 that the xbox has peaked and ill just be playing the same games all over again with lil to no improovement in graphics and online gaming. But of course xbots know that already they just want to be known as one of the first in helping shape an online experience and for that I am grateful to all those xbots who represent the developers and Demand greatness from xbox live. As a ps3 gamer i am glad that xbox gamers are just a FOCUS GROUP for my Playstation 3. Have fun while it last and your pockets are empty, and you have ignored your family, and lost your girlfreind and your waiting for your replacement and you are downloading hd movies for $8-$10 dollars a pop and you come to n4g to find that sony has stolen another idea from XBOX360.