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Hellblade 2 Shouldn't Count On Photorealism To Win Players Over

Realism is one of many valid art forms and not the only recipe for success.

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Obscure_Observer12d ago

"Anything below the pristine, realistic scenes we see in pretty trailers is quickly dubbed a “PS3 game", which was the case during Rise of the Ronin’s debut."

Er... no thanks. Last thing we need is a PS3 looking Hellblade game.

I rather have Hellblade II truth to its roots. Dark Fantasy narrative driven adventure, focused on photo-realism, believable world, stunning looking environments, realistic combat, exceptional animations, state of art sound engineering and Melinda´s beauty and superior act skills to take Senua and Hellblade II´s immersion to a whole new level in gaming.

Bathyj12d ago

Why do you always sound like an ad?

Kornholic12d ago

He is an MS employee. It has become pretty clear at this point.

Barlos12d ago

@Kornholic no it's worse than that. He loves Xbox and Phil so much that he does this for free! Honestly I struggle to believe this is a grown adult. Sometimes his comments are so ridiculous they border on parody.

1Victor12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@Korn/ Barlos: “He is an MS employee. It has become pretty clear at this point”
It’s even sadder than that he’s a guy that gets paid for every response he gets out of the community😱

Sonic188112d ago (Edited 12d ago )

And he does it for free. Microsoft doesn't pay the old man anything and most gamers disagree with his comments 😂

Rimeskeem11d ago

They really need to start observing more and talking less

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Leeroyw12d ago

That gives way too much credit. Think more the warcraft glasses guy from south Park.

1Victor12d ago

@obscured: “I rather have Hellblade II truth to its roots. Dark Fantasy narrative driven adventure, focused on photo-realism, believable world, stunning looking environments, realistic combat, exceptional animations, state of art sound engineering and Melinda´s beauty and superior act skills to take Senua and Hellblade II´s immersion to a whole new level in gaming.”
I rather be Amazon owner guess what your wish and my nether are happening ,there’s no such thing as a perfect game as you describe it.

Bathyj12d ago

I would say atmosphere is a huge part of this graphics are a big part of that. But it's not the whole thing. I hope there's more to the gameplay than the original. I gave up on it before the story could really hook me.

Sonic188112d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I always thought the game was a walking simulator *most* of the time. I mean calling it a game is a stretch. Sure it has the glossy graphics and atmosphere, but beyond that, there's just nothing there. She jogs through the woods at an octogenarian's pace and solves illusion puzzles. That's about the gist of it. Sure there's a bit of combat if you consider slashing the same identical figures a few time here and there combat. The gameplay didn't have no depth but I finally realize that they wasn't aiming for that. I always thought the first game was overhyped and overrated. The graphics has always been the selling point and the reason to play it. I'm glad the second game will be on PC gamepass so that I don't have to pay $70 dollars to play it.

Obscure_Observer12d ago

You never played the first game and you won´t be playing the second either!

I can´t wait for Hellblade II to drop, so we can see your benchmarks since you said you´ll be running it at 4K/60-120fps. Lol

Already got my popcorn ready. Just one month to go!

Bathyj11d ago

What are you talking about he's summed up the gameplay loop perfectly. I bet when the game was a PS4 exclusive you even called it or walking simulator. You have no credibility here.

JusttJD009912d ago

This game is going to flop so massively.

A decade of anticipation and development.
Only to receive a message a couple weeks ago that gamers shouldn't expect the game to be very long.

Sure, it's going to be the most successful X-box exclusive this generation, but that isn't saying much.
10 years ago you could distract people with having a pretty picture on screen, you didn't need much in terms of gameplay / length.
But now? You can dress up a pig as much as you want, it still is a pig.

The fact that we haven't seen ANY real gameplay videos says more than enough regarding this.
Only pre-rendered "Gameplay" videos.

This generation is truly a sad one.
From both Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.

Kornholic12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

"10 years ago you could distract people with having a pretty picture on screen, you didn't need much in terms of gameplay / length."

The Order: 1886 came out nearly a decade ago, in 2015, and pretty picture on screen was not enough even back then.

ravens5212d ago

To be fair, The Order:1886 actually had pretty good combat/gunplay.

JusttJD009912d ago

Pretty sure Order 1886 was actually a pretty good game but it was waaaaaaaay too short, that's why it failed.

redknight8012d ago

Oh man...I forgot how good The Order: 1886 was - it was sure a fun time and looked absolutely stunning but holy hell it was simply too short and I'm so glad I ended up not buying it. I rented it and finished it over the course of a weekend and didn't have much desire to just go play it again. If I recall, there wasn't at all much one could do as far as exploration either and maybe had a random collectible tucked away in corners, that's it.

Obscure_Observer12d ago

@JusttJD0099

"Pretty sure Order 1886 was actually a pretty good game but it was waaaaaaaay too short, that's why it failed."

And I´m "pretty sure" that you never played that game also. That game been "short" has nothing to do with "why it failed". FYI that game sold 1.6+ million copies which is far from a failure.

1886 has many flaws regarding level design, gameplay, combat and how all those elements interact combined. I´d loved the setting, graphics, atmosphere, plot and the characters. And I hate how fast Sony dumped RAD and put that franchise on ice.

The Order had the potential to be Sony´s response to Gears of War, but just like they did with Days Gone, they rather measure one game´s success based on Metascores. Smh.

staticall12d ago

@JusttJD0099
I would also add awful boss battles (those werewolves - ugh) and the ending was very meh.

Other than that, i did enjoy the game, the graphics, the world, the gun play... But yeah, also very short, got platinum in 8h total without trying much or following guides.

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Good-Smurf12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Its visuals have to be pretty much spotless at this point to make up for the lack of engaging gameplay not to mention story that have to hit all the right notes and then its potential lack of replayability.
I learned from cinematic games like these is that if the story not up to snuff then the game pretty much not worth replay through again.
In this day and age, I'm surprised that we still have games like this as the gap between not as cinematic one and cinematic game like Hellblade 2 are no longer big, not like back in 7th gen.
It takes far more effort now just to wow us with these push for filmic photorealistic visuals.
So many studios big and small so obsessed at getting their cinematic games' visuals to look right to the point they forgot they still have to do Gaming part of it.

Obscure_Observer12d ago

"This game is going to flop so massively."

Only in the minds of those spiteful fanboys that wouldn´t be able to play it.

The first Hellblade had an all time peak of 5,653 concurrent players on STEAM. I´m positive that even been available on PC Gamepass day one, Hellblade II will easily beat that number and you´ll be called out on your bs predictions.

"A decade of anticipation and development.

Only to receive a message a couple weeks ago that gamers shouldn't expect the game to be very long."

A decade?! What the F* are you talking about?!

The first Hellblade was released back in August 2017 and development for Hellblade II started 2 years later!

Where did you get that "A decade of anticipation and development." BS? Why are you here spreading lies about a game you don´t know sh!t about?

"The fact that we haven't seen ANY real gameplay videos says more than enough regarding this.
"Only pre-rendered "Gameplay" videos."

Lmao!

That line is nothing but further proof that you never played Hellblade in your life! The game is focused on REALISM and IMMERSION, genius!

There´s NO VISIBLE HUD AT ALL!

IT´S ALL GAMEPLAY RUNNING ON AN ACTUAL XBOX SERIES X!!!

It´s baffling how some dumb and arrogant people believes they´re in a position of authority to talk about subjects they have zero knowledge of!

Next time you go out running your mouth spreading lies and misinformation, make sure you made your homework first!

Armyofdarkness11d ago

We'll see when it drops. I'll say this, based on how 1 played prepare to be disappointed lol.

ravens5212d ago

"FYI that game sold 1.6+ million copies which is far from a failure."
Nice. So FF7 Rebirth or 16 for that matter, are doing just fine. Aye Observer 👀 👍🏽Thanks for telling the truth.

Obscure_Observer12d ago

"Nice. So FF7 Rebirth or 16 for that matter, are doing just fine. Aye Observer 👀 👍🏽Thanks for telling the truth."

Always my pleasure.

And just to put things into perspective; By the time of its release, The Order: 1886 were a new IP from a relatively unknown and unproved studio. The game sits at a 63 Metascore.

The PS4 had 20+ Million consoles sold after 1 year and 3 months in the market.

Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth, is well known, highly regarded as one of the most prominent RPG of ALL TIMES, by one of the most beloved and traditional gaming studio in the market. Rebirth also ranks at the same 92 Metascore as the original.

By the time of its release, the PS5 had sold 50+ Million consoles after 3 years and 3 months in the market.

I´m sure you can connect the dots.

Have a good week.

Chevalier11d ago

""FYI that game sold 1.6+ million copies which is far from a failure."

Releases between PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch then Series S/X is absolutely 💯 a failure. That's 450+ million gamers between all the platforms and it barely sold anything

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LoveSpuds12d ago

I would generally agree with the article to be fair.

I enjoyed the original well enough but the puzzles and combat were excruciatingly repetitive.

If the gameplay hasn't advanced then that is going to be really disappointing.

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Hellblade 2 looks like the most visually ambitious Unreal Engine 5 game yet

A closer look at Ninja Theory's state-of-the-art graphics.

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PrinceOfAnger19d ago

Will look best on PC with 60fps can't wait!
i think there will be some RT - PT mods like they did with horizon games etc

PrinceOfAnger19d ago

Hellblade 2 and Squadron 42 looks like a real next gen games hope to see a release date soon.

Sonic188118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

It runs in 964p on the Series X/S. What a joke. PC is definitely the way to go for this game

Obscure_Observer18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

"It runs in 964p on the Series X/S. What a joke. PC is definitely the way to go for this game"

*NATIVE* 964p up to 1070p on a UE5 powered game which has all of its features like MetaHuman, Nanite, Lumen and Virtual Shadow Maps. And you called it a joke?!

And you claim to be a PC GAMER?!

I think you lie through your teeth.

When Hellblade II finally releases, I want to see benchmarks from your PC and have a good laugh!

Just wait for it.

Sonic188118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

You're definitely reaching now. Desperate comment on your part. Everyone knows PC is the way to go if you want to play it in 60fps. The UE5 engine excuse is getting old. Remnant 2 is using UE5 and it also has a 60fps option and the game looks great. GTFO liar which you're good at. It's getting embarrassing reading your comments most of the time 😂

https://www.ign.com/article...

By the way Black Myth Wukong will also have a 60fps option on consoles using UE5 😂 and the developer already mentioned it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

Obscure_Observer18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

@Sonic1881

Everyone knows that ports for modern PC will ALWAYS be superior when compared to consoles, genius. Especially compared to 4 year old consoles which is not even fair. Only insecure weirdos needs to constantly keep talking about it.

That said, no *every* PC will do it. And I doubt you´re a PC gamer in the first place due your very dumb and clueless comments regarding technology and gaming.

Nobody will find you on PC only related topics, but in console topics cheerleading PS5 games and trashing *every single* Xbox game.

You don´t love games at all, all you love is a plastic box which I don´t even believe in your claims to own.

Just prove me wrong and just show us your benchmarks when Hellblade II gets released. I´ll wait.

Michiel198918d ago

can we just stop with the sounding like a broken record? ps5/switch games also run better on pc because DRUMROLL, pc's have stronger hardware.

Sonic188118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

"You don´t love games at all, all you love is a plastic box which I don´t even believe in your claims to own."

I already prove to a few people that I own a PC a few years back and they still didn't believe it. A matter of fact I've played with some of the user's on here on N4G that only owns a PC 😀. I also have a active steam account and the last game I played on it was Dragon's Dogma 2, Helldivers, and Baldur Gate 3. Anything else Obscure_Observer. Btw I also own a Nintendo switch and PS5

rlow118d ago

You are the joke. You say the same thing on every Xbox article always pushing the negative in your comments. Once in awhile I’ll see something sensible from you but mostly just trash comments.

Does it really destroy your world about how many frames or resolution game has ? Just because you hate Xbox doesn’t mean you have to bring in the negative into every article.

Game looks amazing and enjoyable and that what counts in the end.

S2Killinit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I honestly dont have much interest in this. Its all pretty much pre rendered. Its not so much a game than an interactive movie. It somehow rubs me the wrong way because while I dont have an issue with games like Heavy Rain I feel that this is acting like its something its not. It tries to be a normal videogame but it really is not. As opposed to interactive games that focus on choices. Im sure this will be an ok game, but nothing that would make me want to spend money on.

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Espangerish18d ago

Do all these people disagreeing with you actually think the game won’t look better on pc at 60fps?!

Or are they just console fan boys who refuse to accept that games on a $400 console will look and perform worse than on a $3000 pc.

Obscure_Observer18d ago

@Espangerish

"Or are they just console fan boys who refuse to accept that games on a $400 console will look and perform worse than on a $3000 pc."

Assuming that you have a $3000 Rig, absolutely. But there´s lots a lying clowns here claiming to be PC gamers with very expensive and powerful machines, and yet, by their clueless comments alone it´s easier for anyone with minimal technical knowledge to spot a liar.

Any person that is in fact a PC gamer and PLAY actual games, knows that UE5 has incredibly high resource usage.

Now let clueless idiots call a joke, trash, unacceptable and a "blurry mess" the most resourceful and feature-rich UE5 game to date, running at internal resolution and performance of 1070p at 30fps on a 4 year old console which still can´t take advantage of more modern PC resources like FSR 3?

Digital Foundry literally is calling Hellblade II the most beautiful UE5 game to date and technical Marvel, but here you have a bunch of jealous liars sh!ting on the game just because it´s not available on their favorite plastic box.

I call them liars, because real PC gamers would be happy about a game which do nothing other to make their investments on a very expensive rig, worthwhile. Taking full advantage of it. Even if such game/genre is not their thing.

z2g18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I think 60fps will actually cheapen the experience imo. I know 30 fps isn’t usually ideal but in this case makes it feel more like a movie, which is cool imo. 60 fps is good for sims and competitive games imo but I’m ok with 30 fps on games like this. I say this having a pc that can easily run anything at 4k/60 (2x 4090s)

Sonic188117d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Once you play games in 60fps or 120fps, It's hard to ever go back to 30fps. Lucky for me I can play this game in 60fps on PC🙌🏻

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Hereandthere18d ago

According to digital foundry, Hellblade 2 runs at 964p to 1070p at 30fps on series x

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Say hello to UE5 gaming on 4 year old APUs.

But you can cherry pick the stats for or against, on your TV its probably still going to be the best looking console game yet.

Hereandthere18d ago

No way, not from some cheap free tools unreal engine 5. This no sony high production game with its own custom engine, its a low funded cheap free unreal engine tools game.

Fishy Fingers18d ago

Hmmm you might be right, you definitely sound like you know your stuff.

:|

Lightning7718d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Too many sacrifices. All this for graphics.

I dunno if it's worth it tbh.

@Hear wtf does that have to do with Sony!?

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purple10118d ago

Jeezuz

What’s it going to be on the console 75% of people got

purple10118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Oh had the numbers moved from 75% no one told me, needs an article don’t you think?

“ That's according to documents from the recent court leaks from Microsoft vs. FTC. A heavily redacted document from the case shows that nearly 75%, 74.8% to be exact, of Xbox Series owners own a Series S.” sept' 2023

or did you mean 60percent less powerful so 60% worse?

darthv7218d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Series X Panther - 60% of the time, it works every time

purple10118d ago

@darth I still don’t get it

You give me too much credit for being clever, when infact I am extraordinarily inept

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bababooiy18d ago

All the post processing isnt making things any better either, you can see the environments just look blurry and faded. Senuas model looks very impressive but everything else just screams budget title.

Tacoboto18d ago

According to Digital Foundry:

"This is a profoundly improved sequel and a game that is generationally advanced beyond its predecessor."

"Hellblade 2 is just on another level in almost every respect in terms of core technology."

"...and is possibly even a bit ahead of Hellblade 2's first gameplay trailer."

"This could be the very best looking Unreal Engine 5 title out there"

N4G's takeway: 1070p30fps off cheap free UE5.

Elda18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I can see on this on the Series S but on the Series X? That's just horrible & unacceptable.

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jwillj2k418d ago

This isn’t shouldnt be categorized as a game it’s just an interactive movie.

PrinceOfAnger18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

you mean The order/death stranding, until dawn
Detroit ?

MrNinosan18d ago

The Order and Death Stranding doesn't belong to interactive movie category.
Until Dawn and Detroit sure does.

jwillj2k418d ago

Those games are almost ALL gameplay with choices that affect the end game. They include movie cuts to help tell the story.

This “game” is almost ALL movie with sprinkles of linear walking paths.

Terry_B18d ago

Holy Shit. First submitting an article..after that writing the first comment about it and praising the game, after that replying to yourself, praising the game even more..and after that defending the game and coming up with other games when someone points out it will be more like an interactive movie.

Sorry, can't take you serious any longer.

Crows9018d ago

All the games you mentioned had more gameplay than hellblade 1...so no. Especially death stranding....you are so incredibly off the mark there. Some of the games you mention have branching storylines based on your choices....that's a lot more than a simple interactive movie...

Stop being disingenuous...

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LoveSpuds18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Curious to know how you have arrived at that conclusion when so little gameplay has been shown off jwillj2k4.

How about showing Ninja Theory some respect and acknowledging the hard work and talent required to make this game.

Real people worked really hard on this game and you choose to act like a 5 year old. Wait to play the game before you start with your criticism. Even then, if you don't like it that doesn't mean others wont, just accept it wasnt for you and move on, as it stand you just seem super ill informed and spiteful.

jwillj2k418d ago (Edited 18d ago )

First off, categorizing does not equal criticism stop trying to gaslight.

Secondly, the “game” has been worked on for 7+ years and is only about 7 hours long, is about to release in a month, has only shown movie cuts and LINEAR WALKING PATHS as “gameplay”, (did I mention comes out in a month?) and has a price matching a AA game.

Did you forget the multiple no shows at various E3’s and then finally showing up only to give us more movie cuts advertised as “gameplay”?

Nothing is wrong with the above, however based on what little they’ve shown this “game”, it is a walking experience not an actual game title. They’ve substituted movie equipment for Unreal engine.

Sonic188118d ago

That's probably the reason why it's only 7-8 hours long

Skuletor18d ago

Heard the same thing about Starfield before it launched.

LoveSpuds18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Dear God Obscure, you haven't played it squire, how about being objective just for once!

I get being excited, but to call something we know relatively little about a masterpiece without even playing it is ridiculous.

Obscure_Observer18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

"I get being excited, but to call something we know relatively little about a masterpiece without even playing it is ridiculous."

Never see you calling anyone out by referring to a Playstation game as GOTY or Masterpiece, prior release.

So give me a break and spare me from your hypocrisy.

LoveSpuds18d ago

Because I have never seen any one individual behave the way you do here, you are such a negative force here on N4G, I only wish we still had the bubble system.

Obscure_Observer18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Don´t give a flying f* about what you think about me, dude. No sure why you even replied to my comment in the first place.

*You* are the negative force here. I´m an Xbox fan and this is an Xbox topic, an exciting one. And unsurprisingly you here full of salt playing the hype police.

GTFO and just refrain from ever reply to me again.

Lightning7717d ago

He's simply his excited for the game. You being angry over his excitement says allot more about you than it does him.

His "behavior" with this comment is "unacceptable" because he's getting excited over a game that's not in your favorite box.

You're definitely wrong in this scenario. Instead of admitting you're wrong here I'm sure you'll spin this in some miraculous deflection stating how he's still wrong.

I don't even pay attention to what Observer says at times but again, you're definitely wrong in this scenario.

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Terry_B18d ago

lol. are you and princeofanger the same person? :-)

Crows9018d ago

They might be. Both come off as ridiculous. They didn't praise the 1st game anywhere near as much...it's blatantly obvious what they're doing

PrinceOfAnger18d ago

Lol both of you are really sick
just getting rekt and envious of something
you are both sony fanboys downplaying anything not from sony in this site
and lol @Crow
I have finished Hellblade 1 multiple times on PC and praised the game on different sites both of you making yourself look stupid and you are, pls seek help.

Traecy18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

A masterpiece at 8 hrs or less including you never played Hellblade 2... Smh.

Elda18d ago

LMAO!! No review scores yet nor do you have a copy to make a claim of H2 being a masterpiece.

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Hereandthere18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Digital Foundry quotes
Says image quality is 'mixed'
-letterbox
-Low res
-soft images
-unwelcome effects
-blurry
-image breakup in motion
-and artifact prone quality in motion

Sounds like Xbox was the one needing a Pro console

Minute Man 72118d ago

Xbox Pro, PS Pro won't get 4K 60

Eonjay18d ago

UE5 can run up to 120 FPS in open world on console. So one imagines, that this game is probably GPU bound the dynamic range also gives it away in the circumstance. So what it boils down to is how good UE5 runs on a dual issue GPU... I will go do some research but more likely given the same resolution the PS5 pro could deliver 60 FPS or close to it. With PSSR it could deliver 4K 60 no problem. (This would be upscaled from 1080p). Some caveats I would mention is we haven't seen PSSR yet. Is it inline with something like DLSS. Can it reduce the softness of the title on Xbox? This all assume UE5 wouldn't take advantage of RNDA 4 dual issue.

LoveSpuds18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I suppose the game isn't finished yet though, Ninja Theory may still polish some of those rough edges yet, maybe?

Chevalier18d ago

"Sounds like Xbox was the one needing a Pro console"

Literally no point because they will still be tied down by the Series S

kickerz18d ago

Congratulations, out of loads and loads of positive things eurogamer had to say about the visuals you got your notebook and pen out and found 7 negatives. You deserve a mickey mouse badge.

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Hellblade 2 Runs At Dynamic Resolution On Xbox Series X|S, 60 FPS Mode Not Supported

Hellblade 2 will run at a dynamic resolution on Xbox Series X|S, and the console version will not support a 60 fps mode.

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darthv7224d ago

It seems like the console version could support a 40fps mode though... if they add 120hz support.

Sciurus_vulgaris24d ago

You make a good point. I think 40 FPS options will become more common once 120hz TVs become more standardized.

GamerRN24d ago

I've already seen 40fps modes utilized in great ways, and I'll tell you, the difference is greater than you'd expect. 40fps is playable, I didn't feel 30fps is playable anymore...

Mr Logic23d ago

@GamerRN

That's because 40fps is the midway point between 30 and 60 based on frametime.

Einhander197224d ago

That's conjecture on your part, you don't even know if the game can hold 30 FPS yet.

darthv7224d ago

Its looking more and more like it was a design decision. which is to say they only wanted everything set to the best quality while providing that 'cinematic' experience of an epic big budget movie. How many big theatrical movies do you know that are 60fps?

Ive played the first game at 60 and while it makes things faster... it also breaks the mood and flow of the game. so I set it back to quality mode where it just feels better. Its not GoW... so its okay that it is slower paced.

Alos8823d ago

@darthv72 You're trying to turn 30fps into some kind of positive when in reality it's just that the devs couldn't hit 60 consistently. There's a difference between saying 60 isn't needed and trying to gaslight people into believing it's some kind of win for the game.
And that's the other thing- games aren't films. Where 28fps is fine for films we've long since moved on from 30 being the standard here.

Doomeduk24d ago

If my aunty had nuts she could have been my uncle

Cockney13d ago

I'm open to being corrected here but I'm pretty sure that only Sony have gone the 40fps route so far, I see little evidence that they'll even entertain the thought

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Fishy Fingers24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Welcome to actual UE5 gaming on the current gen.

Less impressive looking and less feature rich UE5 games are already running at an internal 720p to hit 60fps.

Einhander197224d ago

If only we had a 33.5 tf console to to run all these graphically demanding games.

GamerRN24d ago

And if only we had a 33.5tf console without CPU bottlenecks...

Rohifaf23d ago

Which console is 33.5Tf?

wiz719123d ago

@Einhander lol go ahead and buy into that lie with that 33TF thing and be highly disappointed when it comes out ..

jznrpg23d ago

Downplaying a better console when you fell for the Beast.

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-Foxtrot24d ago

What’s the point of the Series X being the worlds most powerful console if they are clearly just going to be held back by the Series S…and you know for a fine fact that’s the real reason why.

darthv7224d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The S isnt holding it back... there is no fidelity or performance parity in use here. If anything, if it did offer a performance mode they would push for that on the X while keeping the S in its singular quality mode like other games have done. This is more of a CPU issue than a GPU one.

LucasRuinedChildhood24d ago

Hellblade 2 seems like it will be much heavier on the GPU side than the CPU side.

Obscure_Observer24d ago

"What’s the point of the Series X being the worlds most powerful console if they are clearly just going to be held back by the Series S…and you know for a fine fact that’s the real reason why."

One real and also interesting fact, is that there wasn´t nothing holding the PS5 back to harm Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart´s development. I remember how some PS fans used to scream at the top of their lungs how that game is a true next gen game only possible on PS5 and blah blah blah.

And now we know that game (among many other Playstation games on PC) can run even on the Steam Deck which is weaker then the Series S.

It is what it is.

dveio24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Wait a minute.

Didn't DF debunk all of those "R&C could run on PS4/without SSD" comments because they've tested it with various settings?

Just asking. Not stating.

StoneTitan24d ago

ahahahahaha @purple101 nice one, Obscure you got owned right there :D
It is what it is ahahahahahaha

solideagle24d ago

@purple I think youtube one doesn't use the SteamDeck's SSD rather micro SD card which obviously will be slower.

Elda24d ago

R&C:RA runs flawlessly on the PS5, it does not on the Steamdeck

Tody_ZA24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

There's a difference between running and running the way the developer intended. Batman Arkham Knight and Mortal Kombat 1 "run" on the Nintendo Switch, but clearly at a cost. Ratchet and Clank runs on Steamdeck, but you're outputting at 720fps with reduced image quality and no raytracing. So it's impressive, absolutely, but don't sit there and act like it's 1 to 1 parity just because you can't grasp how the Series S holds back the generation. Hint: the Series X cannot massively outdo the Series S because of console parity, so it's unlikely the Series X is going to ever be utilised to its fullest.

You want to push up with a Pro model, not push down.

Sonic188124d ago

7 years in development for just 30fps 🤔

darthv7224d ago

@Tody... and yet there are plenty of games that offer better visuals and performance on the X than the S. The whole 'parity' thing is about the content... not the fidelity or performance. Which is why things like raytracing is not in S games but is in the X versions. Same with offering various modes for quality and performance on X but not on S.

jwillj2k423d ago

At the time of its release there was no technology available that could do what the ps5 ssd can do. As time went on, naturally, technology advanced. Why some people don’t understand time progression is baffling. Its like you’re sub-human or something less intelligent.

Mods I didn’t call him that, just saying he resembles/looks familiar to.

Tody_ZA23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

@darth72 What you and Observer fail to grasp is the development starting point. With a PS5 Pro, all games would be developed for the base PS5 as intended, and then enhanced for the Pro. The benchmark is the PS5 console. The PS5 is mandatory, the Pro is not.

With the Xbox Series S and X, the benchmark is ALWAYS going to be the INFERIOR console from the getgo, the Series S is mandatory. The Xbox X is supposed to be the base model of the generation, but thanks to the S it's never going to be. It's anchored down. Whereas a PS5 Pro would not anchor any development because it's not a different console, and it's not the benchmark of development.

Hence PS5 exclusives will always outdo Xbox Ones. That and developer talent I suppose. The Xbox Series X is never going to be fully utilised.

Modpeel23d ago

Why is that hardcore xbox fanbots like you are the embodiment of anti-truth? The poster boys of hypocrisy.

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Sonic188124d ago

Exactly. But Xbox fanboys will still defend Microsoft 😁😂

Obscure_Observer23d ago

"7 years in development for just 30fps 🤔"

It took 12 years to develop Dragon´s Dogma 2 which runs at 30fps on both PS5 and XS and you were championing that game just the other day.

Such hypocrisy.

I can´t wait to see your lame excuses for GT6 also after 12 years in development to deliver a 30fps performance on both current gen consoles. It´s gonna be funny.

Flakegriffin23d ago

@Obscure

If you did proper research you’d see that they had the idea 12 years ago for Dragons Dogma 2. Dragons Dogma 2 hasn’t been in development for 12 years..

Took them five years to develop

Source: https://www.vg247.com/drago...

badz14923d ago

@Obsecure

Dumbest comment so far and Capcom is a 3rd party. Developed for 12 years? You really believe THAT?

So, ok I'll play your game. Starfield was developed for 25 years and only 30fps on the series consoles.

Obscure_Observer23d ago

@Flakegriffin

"Took them five years to develop"

Hellblade II was announced back in December 2019 as an *early in development* game, so it didn´t took 7 years in development either.

It will be released on May which accounts for less than 5 years since announcement.

Cockney23d ago

Apparently it took 25 years to make starfield which ran at 30fps

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gold_drake24d ago

that kinda sucks

so it could vary between .. wat, 720 and 1440? yikes

MeatyUrologist24d ago

I think a game like this that is essentially an interactive movie is fine at 30fps. Should have little impact on gameplay and is more focused on visuals and atmosphere anyway

Sonic188124d ago

It still should have a 60fps option even if it's in 1080p

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30 vs 60 FPS has been a hotly debated topic since the release of the Xbox Series and PlayStation 5 consoles. What side are you on?

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darthv7224d ago

I'm of the side that doesn't really care. I like it when games offer a choice but I dont treat them any differently if there isnt one. A good game is still a good game and you are only going to know if its good by playing it yourself.

Sonic188124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The world's most powerful console and Hellblade 2 a first party exclusive can't do dynamic 4K in 60fps after being in development for 7 years. But we got the PS5 thats supposed to be weaker compared to the series X doing dynamic 4K 60fps in Horizon forbidden West, God of War: Ragnarok, and Spider-Man 2 all open world games perfectly. Not to mention Hellblade 2 is a linear game and still can't do 60fps. It's comical and unacceptable but let's move the goal post. What's really funny is that Rachet and Clank is a linear game with a 60fps and raytracing option 😂

StormSnooper24d ago

It’s really not acceptable. This is a linear game…

Cacabunga24d ago

First short, now this.. xbox is really an entertaining brand😂

VenomUK24d ago

Who here’s GENUINELY triggered about the frame rate? If anyone does insist on 60 fps is it really worth waiting months extra for the PS5 version?

Ironmike24d ago

Aren't those games cross gen though using an old game engine and not unreal 5 ouch

Cacabunga24d ago

Must be what 15fps on xss ?

senorfartcushion24d ago

Yeah but regardless of the console being really powerful the game might not be. 60fps games are not usually 4k, making them less powerful than games that can run in both. Either that or it makes them less powerful because they CAN be ran in 60fps at 4k.

peppeaccardo24d ago

Currently playing Spiderman 2, Hoghwart and GT7 at 120 Hz on my PS5 .... just saying ...

thesoftware73024d ago

Show me a UE5 game on PS that pushes 4K 60. They don't exist; you just named mostly games that can run well on PS4. Hellblade 2 is a new-gen engine that pushes a lot of bells and whistles.

And let's be real, HellBlade 2 looks graphically better than all the games you listed.

Flakegriffin24d ago

My favorite is the excuse of “we want cinematic experience”

Okay, so why isn’t it 30fps across the board? Why does it run 60fps on PC? Lol

wiz719124d ago

@Sonic man stfu all those PS5 games have PS4 counterparts I would hope the PS5 would run PS4 games at 60FPS you goofy … lol yall Sony pony’s mad asf now with games looking like Rise of Ronin I don’t think yall should be talking at all lol

darthv7224d ago

@Sonic... all the games you mentioned did not initially have a 60fps mode. or more specifically... the majority of those who played the 2018 GoW did so on a base PS4 which was 30fps. Same goes for Horizon, same goes for Spider-Man and even going back to the PS3 where ALL the R&C games ran at 30fps as well as big critical hits like uncharted and TLoU. NOBODY complained.... being 30fps is NOT the big deal people make it out to be.

You (like myself & others) are just spoiled by the choice of 60fps now. Choice is not a bad thing... but then again neither is only have one option if that option provides the best experience visually and audibly.

BLow23d ago

I remember before this gen launched and all that we heard from the fanboys from a certain side for more than a year. Hardware ray tracing, 60 fps, RDNA 2, Direct X 12 blah blah blah. Which system's 1st party is actually doing all that AT LAUNCH right now. Now look where we at. It's funny how things change lol and now all we hear is excuses on the world's most powerful console. Remember Redfall shipped at 30fps and how that one looked? Wheres the Ray tracing? Errrbody got short memories now.🤣🤣🤣 ;

Now I loved the 1st Hellblade and I'm sure this one will be good but damn. L after L. Now "cinematic" is ok. Dynamic resolution is ok. You can't make this shit up. Oh well, happy gaming people.

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stupidusername24d ago

I prefer 60fps, but I’m also well aware that you can’t expect to get graphic heavy games with 60fps on games that’s not expected to sell tons of million copies. There’s not a budget for it. Graphics has always been a bigger selling point over fps, so when they make a graphic heavy game the work needed to get higher fps increases. It’s easier to get a budget for it if you have a huge IP like Spider Man that’s expected to sell tons more than Hellblade.

RaidenBlack24d ago

Well, FSR3 is also coming to console space ... so lets see ...

Einhander197224d ago

So is PSSR, on a 33.5 tf console too.

RaidenBlack24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@Einhander1972,
Just an FYI, 33.5TF only going by AMD's marketed dual issue compute (DIC). Realistically, it will be around 16-18TF (that's pretty powerful, don't get me wrong, nearly double powerful if we're lucky), but definitely not 3+ times more powerful than base PS5.
Rumors are Pro's GPU likely based/derived from 7800XT (since leaked specs kinda match)
And technically, in real world the 7800XT is actually around 18.5TF GPU. Dual issue compute, is what gets it up to 37TF.
Games don't take advantage of dual issue compute, as evident by 20.7 TF 6800XT out performing 18.5TF 7800XT (37.3TF DIC) in PC game benchmarks.
Future consoles games are guaranteed to take advantage of upscaling techniques (be it FSR3 or PSSR).
Immortals of Aveum is already introducing it for performance bump across both consoles.

Amplitude24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Though it's unfortunate, the vast majority of studios have switched to UE5 (including for HellBlade 2).
You aren't going to see literally any UE5 games run at 60fps on these consoles if UE5's new features are being used.
These inexpensive gaming boxes are over 4 years old, which is longer than most people would even keep a GPU. Buy a PC and a 40-series GPU if you want games to look this good at 60 - otherwise, keep playing games without Lumen, RTAO, RT reflections and shadows, etc.

30FPS will be the norm going forward if games keep pushing the tech in this way - hence the need for a PS5 Pro or PC. Unless you want games to keep looking the same as they have all generation with their horrendous screen space reflections, pop in textures, lighting that makes moving objects look disconnected from the environment, etc - then we should probably accept the switch to 30 and accept that if you want better you need to upgrade your hardware. It's time.

Tech moves fast now. And no, FSR3 can not increase a frame rate from 30 to 60 *especially* on hardware like this.

Lightning7724d ago

They put way more emphasis on graphics, fidelity and presentation over everything else I understand that but most of these types are 60fps. In fact I'm surprised it's 30 fps.

SF being 30 sure it's open world, I think redfall is 60 now but 30 at launch still unacceptable now. Most current gen games are being 30 I know that. With MS tech, money and time they should of gotten this at 60.

Maybe the game is doing allot, graphically they sacrificed 60?

Either way MS 100% has a feature complete problem in their games. Just yet another long laundry list of issues MS can't get right.

Sonic188124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

"Most current gen games are being 30 I know that."

Most PS5 *first party exclusives* has a 60fps option. Even Rise of the Ronin has it😂. Hellblade 2 is a Xbox first party exclusive that should have that option especially after being in development for 7 years. UNACCEPTABLE

Lightning7724d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I wasn't even talking about PS exclusives I was talking about 3rd party in general. I have no clue why you would bring up PS. Most of PS games this gen are cross gen also. Rise of The Ronin also struggles to hit 60 fps also often dipping into the 40's. Dogma is 30.

I got some new tidbits that the 30 fps was a creative decision. Not a hardware issue they chose 30ps to make it feel like a "movie"

Regardless it still stands.

I guess you missed this part where I said.

"Either way MS 100% has a feature complete problem in their games. Just yet another long laundry list of issues MS can't get right."

Dang man at least try to keep up.

Ironmike24d ago

Ronin doesn't get near 60 and with those graphics ouch

Tacoboto24d ago

How're you enjoying that unstable 30fps in Dragon's Dogma 2, Sonic?

Sonic188124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

"How're you enjoying that unstable 30fps in Dragon's Dogma 2, Sonic?"

That's because of the lazy developers. Digital foundary already said the developers had a lot to do with that and I also believe they admitted to it😂 Hellblade 2 is a Microsoft first party exclusive and it shouldn't be no excuses for that. It's unacceptable on Ninja Theory part that they can't add a 60fps option

Tacoboto24d ago

DF said no such thing about Capcom being lazy in regards to DD2's performance. The only laziness they suggested was the lack of a 30fps cap toggle.

Which is now patched into the game. DF acknowledges the struggles the game has with CPU bottlenecks and acknowledges Capcom's remarks committing to look into it especially on PC.

Anything else is a false interpretation by you, but you probably didn't watch their coverage on it anyway (you clearly didn't listen to it)

Sonic188124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

We're talking about Hellblade 2 a first party exclusive that's being in development for 7 years and don't have a 60fps option that's unacceptable. Dragon's Dogma is a third party multiple game and has nothing to do with Hellblade 2. But I can see you just wanted to mention Dragon's Dogma 2 one game with issues only every platform that's not even a Microsoft first party exclusive😂 Keep defending Microsoft if you like.

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S2Killinit24d ago

Most current gen are not 30. Especially not linear games.

Kornholic24d ago

Most current gen games are 30 fps? That's complete bs. I have 0 PS5 in my collection that are capped at 30 fps.

30 fps games this gen are outliers, not the majority.

Lightning7724d ago

I guess you forgot most PS5 and Series X games are cross gen also. Suicide SQUAD, Alan Wake 2 are 60 fps, Plagues Tale now 60 and Gotham Knights 30 still, Dogma is 30. There's more games but it's a toss up. Certain games are 30 then patches on 60 later. Tbh we should be seeing way more 60 and it should be the standard.

Kornholic24d ago

Most games will always be "cross gen" since they need to run on older PC hardware, too. I guess you forgot that 30 fps games this gens are not the majority, but outliers.

Flewid63824d ago

This is objectively false, and I say that as a 60fps gamer.

This is very much a slow, cinematic game so the choice here makes total sense.

darthv7224d ago

So if this was really just a design decision to make it more of a movie... Why can't people just accept that decision? I am spoiled by the choice of quality and performance modes but I can understand a devs decision to do one and not the other. I guess others just arent as open minded. Its like trying to understand why a 3rd party game would be exclusive vs being multiplatform. That decision is up to the dev and yet people will still question the reason they don't agree with.

I say, just dont even worry about the why and just play the damn games and enjoy them for what they are. A break from the reality that surrounds us on a daily basis.

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P_Bomb24d ago

“What side are you on?”

60fps given the choice. Always.

Abear2124d ago

Choice would be nice, they should give a performance mode option for those that prefer

Obscure_Observer24d ago

I don´t care!

It´s a true next gen game after all!

Bring it!

Kornholic24d ago

A true next gen game in what sense?

Barlos24d ago

According to Obscure, all it needs to be 'true next gen' is for it not to be on PS5. He said the same thing about Starfield. Look how that turned out.

CrashMania24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

It's funny isn't it, all these guys clowning on PS5 'third person narrative movie games', yet suddenly this game, which is similar scope to the first, looks to play the same, wilp be way more walking simulator and movie-like than any playstation game is suddenly the best thing since sliced bread and 30fps is now fine lol.

jjb198124d ago

Don't feed the troll. These clowns just come here to scream out "Long live dA PoWa Uv Da KLOwDZ, FTW, YOLO!".

Barlos24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The more exclamation marks the better, right?

You sound 5 years old.

andy8524d ago

Name one aspect it is, I'm legitimately interested

Sonic188124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

All Unreal engine 5 games 😁😂 and Black Myth W will have a 60fps option

https://www.ign.com/games/f...

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