Pixel Counters Must Die

CSM-101e - 178 days 13 hours ago

Salvador Dali is widely regarded as one of the finest artist of the 20th century; in part because of his 'photorealistic' technique. But, if you look close, it's actually a 'painterly' style; very blurry, lack of detail. But when looked at from the proper distance, and as a whole, you can see the man's brilliance; both in technique and intent.

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golden_cannon - 178 days 13 hours ago

people who wanna see the 360 fall off the face of the earth and don't think it can/should have games with good graphics?
Do I get a prize?
(I REALLY hope people know what 'sarcasm' means)

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Sev1512 - 178 days 13 hours ago

Very interesting.

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slopeseeker - 178 days 13 hours ago

I agree that pixel counting is blown out of proportion and has little effect on whether I buy a game. But he mentioned ghostbusters and I think it is a legitimate grip for gamers. That dev went to the trouble of making a statement that if the game was ps3 exclusive it would be better basically because the 360 was holding them back. Then, even thought the ps3 was the lead platform, they delivered a significantly lower resolution game with missing effects and lower quality textures. Devs like this need to answer to gamers and the press for delivering a substandard version on one platform especially after statements like the ones they made. That particular dev got all that was coming to them.

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LiQuiFiedArt - 178 days 13 hours ago

They finally give US the consumers a truthful eye. The LIES and deciet to pitch a game as "HD" and run it SUB-HD is not tolerable and I won't support that kind of product. Every game this generation should AT MINIMUM run at 720p@30, this is NOT DEBATABLE.

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Johnny Rotten - 178 days 13 hours ago

^^^ you must have a pretty weak game collection.

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ps3gamerkyle - 178 days 13 hours ago

@CSM-101e

That's an excellent point you presented, about Dali. As long as the game looks decent, and not it shows the developers put effort into it, I'm happy.

People were dissing on MGS4...Freaking MGS4, because it runs in sub-HD resolution. However, it still is one of the best-looking games around!

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LiQuiFiedArt - 178 days 13 hours ago

My Game collection is above average. In fact im' backlogged so i have to hold off on wasting money on games. (90% ps3 exclusives)

Don't you people have any backbone for shotty buisness practices?
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Its like talking to a bunch of gullable kids. Grow up. Even you Sev! Your what almost 30? If you don't speak with your Wallet or your Vote you have ZERO VOICE in this world. Be thankful you have some voice at all.

People have no backbones for what is Good and Proper. You justify lies making them palatable. The whole idea of calling something HD which is NOT HD is ...A FREAKIN LIE!! And you'll openly support this?

Keep voting for "Change!" lol. Next time ask... "What kind of change?"

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@Below
Did I say they do? Quote me where I said that? I won't personally support under HD titles if I KNOWN they are sub-HD before hand. Obviously if I'm decieved to believe they are HD but are not, what do I do? I take a mental note and am careful to purchase from that company again.

The idea of "Deceptive Practices" should make people angry. Not ACCEPTING! What kind of bullshit citizen is that? to say.. "Ahh its ok, he lied in court or ahhh the infinity dealer told me it had all time 4 wheel drive, but it only comes on 30% of the time..."

DO NOT Justify Deceptive Practices EVER! That beyond idiotic.

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Johnny Rotten - 178 days 13 hours ago

^^^ my first system was PONG, some brown and beige thing with a side paddle that detaches, it had 2 white lines that moved up and down with a white circle. Yep back in the day we called that tennis!

I later upgraded to an atari and so on, so over the years I've come to appreciate the whole "smoke and mirrors" thing for what it is... an art form, not just an art form but an art form that needs balance.

HD is terminology that will change as the years go on and when it does I'm certain video game developers will too but right now developers are doing their best to have that special balance that video games need.

btw your "90% of exclusives" aren't running true 720p, sorry.

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DJ - 178 days 12 hours ago

Is it really a 'deceptive practice' if the output resolution truly is 720p? Again, at what point do you say "This resolution is not what you advertised to me!"

If you check out the article, you'll see just how hard it is to tell the difference between a sub-HD and a 720p frame.

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hay - 178 days 12 hours ago

Actually comparing resolutions(mine is bigger) is like comparing d!cks. Unfortunatelly not everyone knows that technique is more important than size...

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JOLLY1 - 178 days 12 hours ago

1...2...3...4...ha!

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edgeofblade - 178 days 12 hours ago

Agreed. I don't care if you are a PS3 fan or a 360 fan. I would MUCH rather have a game that runs at 60 fps than anything less. COD4 and COD:WaW are such visual-realism treats because the framerate came first. My hats off to them.

lol@liquifiedart: People with "principles" make me laugh. The only thing I have seen principles do for this world is organize people into frothing, unthinking mobs that lose sight of the important things.

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Oner - 178 days 12 hours ago

Hhhmmm, I agree with Sev to an extent but I have a view more in line with LiQuiFiedArt....but ultimately I look at it this way ~

I don't agree with how companies can get away with advertising something as something that it's not and in this case it's applied to Resolution Display or when the NATIVE resolution is not HD but UPSCALED to "HD" hence it's not HD. So I ask this ~ Would you buy an "HD" Movie disc if it displayed at Sub-HD levels (below 720)? To me that would be deceptive so shouldn't that apply to other mediums?

But then again what about DDL? Where an "HD" resolution might be 1920x1080p or 1280x720p but it is compressed to $#@! so it REALLY isn't "HD"?...Damnit! Now I am more confused than before as to where I stand! (LoL)

I guess the best way (in my opinion) is this, if the resolution is equal to or above 720p AND not compressed to display crappy artifacts then THAT'S really what HD is (especially since 720 is the defacto minimum standard for HD resolutions no matter what people try say/spin/profess or "principle").

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HDgamer - 178 days 11 hours ago

fanboys care, they must know how many pixels they are getting even if they have to take a screenshot of their games, count the pixels one by one for 3 weeks and a month using photoshop at the highest zoom settings then talk down about the other console.

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edgeofblade - 178 days 11 hours ago

Dude... who cares. Is it that important to be certifiably HD? This is why our significant others roll their eyes when we insist on getting "2010 Edition: now with 20% more buzzwords"! This is a faux-principled argument... in that people don't really care that much.

You shouldn't be principled for the sake of being principled...

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RumbleFish - 178 days 11 hours ago

I don't give a f about resolution when the games look and perform well, but that Ghostbustersgame does not perform very well, in fact it performs horribly. The screen tearing is so bad, i will never give my money to such lazy devellopers!

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edhe - 178 days 10 hours ago

When the company selling you games consoles that promise fullHD and don't give you it, it's tantamount to fraud.

Failed promises come hand in hand with playstation, so it shouldn't be a surprise. This late in the generation though there's no excuse not to have at least 720p for a detailed game, and 1080p for a basic game.

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evrfighter - 178 days 9 hours ago

if you have to pixel count to determine if somethings 720p or 1080p because you can't tell the difference....

wait

that's actually pretty funny....silly console gamers.

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FarEastOrient - 177 days 10 hours ago

Quick make some popcorn!

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DJ - 178 days 12 hours ago

It's something that's puzzled me for quite some time.

I know Killzone 2 got high marks for its visuals, but only a very small percentage of sites raved about the audio work. When I played it at my friend's apartment (with his surround sound speakers) I found myself playing KZ2 differently. The audio had that much of an impact during multiplayer since I could hear different audio cues from other characters and the environment itself.

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Pennywise - 178 days 11 hours ago

Listen, are you really trying to get some intelligent answers out of him?? It doesnt matter if the person loves Sony, MS, or Nin... if they have 1-3 bubbles they usually are people with limited capacity for thought.

I have no idea what being 30 has to do with any of this, but I would love to hear from liquid about that too.

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FantasyStar - 178 days 11 hours ago

Y'know, judging a person by the amount of bubbles they have isn't any better than playing the "age card".

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Pennywise - 178 days 10 hours ago

Fantasy, I see what you are getting at, but people take bubbles because the user has nothing good to say.

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Nikkelz - 178 days 12 hours ago

thats like saying you dont like crisp pictures,better lighting,ancd better sound.

dont confuse stupidity for logic....if you have ever watched a movie in HD and then sat down and watched the same movie in SD and NOT want to gouge your eyes out than a trip to the optometrist is in order..

peace and game on

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StanLee - 178 days 12 hours ago

I enjoyed watching I Am Legend on my way home on my PSP as much as I did on my HD television. At some point we have to be able to enjoy and appreciate art direction and content. Heavenly Sword was a beautiful game, it didn't even run at native 720p.

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FantasyStar - 178 days 11 hours ago

Have you been in topics that discuss Video codecs/containers? All the Xvid vs. Dvix, h263 vs. h264. AVC vs. MP4, AVI vs. MPEG4? Pixel counters at every single turn. And even then: we're not even going into debating between proportional bitrates when figuring out which codec runs the least bitrates, but produces the best picture. The world of pixel counting is far too big for N4G to really comprehend beyond simple PS3/360 comparisons. But it's to be expected I guess.

There's no pride in anything, but everyone helping everyone figuring out which product works the best. No one takes any sides in pixel counting world, but working together to find the best method to achieve the greatest results. We all work together to find the best codecs that work, the best version of a game, and we all go through it together. There's no bias when it comes to pixel counting because all we want to find are facts. The hard-rock numbers and even then. When it's proven that x263 is better than h263: the h263 fanboys don't defend it like console fanboys: they jump ship. Because it's not about fighting a war. It's about helping each other find the best video codec available. Same thing applies with AVI vs. MPEG (which is pretty old now). In the video world, pixel counting helps everyone.

But I speak out of line. In the gaming world, I guess pixel counting is degraded to a e-peen measuring contest. Thank the fanboys for that.

Totally besides the point of what pixel-counting really is. And I haven't even gotten into the anime world yet too. I wish people on N4G had more hobbies than just playing video games and yelling at each other over the internet about why the PS3 sucks, or the 360 blows. Maybe then they'll realize how foolish they are and see pixel counting as more than just a fanboy sport.

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ps3gamerkyle - 178 days 10 hours ago

Can't argue with you there.

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DJ - 178 days 6 hours ago

I like you already

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DJ - 175 days 12 hours ago

Call of Duty 4, for instance. Still play that game a lot, btw.

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