PlayStation 3: Third Party Support

CeruleanSky - 715 days 5 hours ago

Yep, I don't think many people still grasp at how large Sony's first party development has grown since last gen.

Last gen you had 125+ million people from around the world buy PS2s for Sony's combination of first party + third party games.

This gen you have the PS3 that has virtually every one of those first party + third party games with the addition of an insane amount of new exclusive first party games.

The PS3 has of course long passed the 360 in Japan. And the PS3 now has passed the 360 across most of Europe other than the UK in just nine months. So by the start of 2008 the 360 is only going to be leading in installed base in just NA, and the UK, and maybe a few random minor countries.

Third party developers are looking at two consoles:

The PS3:

* Selling well in all three major console regions

* Most powerful console by a huge margin: Killzone 2, GT, Uncharted, etc

* Next gen storage - 25/50 gig discs

* Rock solid reliable console

* Open and developer friendly online system - Epic/Unreal, NCsoft games, etc.

vs.

360:

* Dead in two of the three major console regions

* Weak and difficult to use graphics hardware - idiotic too small for 720p 10megs of EDRAM setup forcing developers to waste time writing tile based renderers or just skipping having decent AA in their 360 games

* Gimped storage format that is 1.5 gigs smaller than last gen

* Unprecedented hardware failure rates

* Closed and developer hostile online network - Epic is having to waste a half a year rewriting UT just to work with Microsoft's online network

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QuackPot - 714 days 20 hours ago

@mesh

stay an xbot. YOu're one of the biggest x-DROIDS around. Stick to your own and don't violate the Laws of Nature. Could be the end of the universe.

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cloud360-7th_account - 714 days 20 hours ago

Naruto is better than DBZ. the jap version is the best. Eng sucks

Watch it here and dont cry

(mind the language)

http://www.veoh.com/videos/...

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tk - 714 days 12 hours ago

I have a PS3. It is beating the XB360 in two regions. The XB360 is far from dead in the European region. It is actually quite on par with PS3 sales in Europe. I think the PS3 will win in two regions, and it will be a tie in NA... but the XB360 have made great gains this generation.

In Japan it is dead. In NA it is leading. In Europe it is competitive. Don't act like a frustrated drag queen.

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Eagle_of_Heaven - 715 days 7 hours ago

embed it too, thanks.

EDIT: @TheMART. some of the games you mentioned are first party titles. if you noticed games like rachet and clan, when that came out people were going crazy for it. so i think its better to show your product now and get the consumer's attention.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 715 days 6 hours ago

People were going crazy over Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted...

Is that why Uncharted only moved 117k in sales? And R&C didn't sold a lot also?

EDIT

To Tanod (below)

So why did Sony need to drop the price of the PS3 in Europe within 6 months from 600 to 400 Euro? Because the PS3 didn't sold like they expected.

Why don't PS3 owners buy games then?

PS3 attach rate @ launch: 1.5 game per unit
PS3 attach rate now: 3.6 games per unit

360 attach rate @ launch: 4.5 games per unit
360 attach rate now: 6.6 games per unit

The PS3 isn't doing well at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Again.

Ucharted outselling a 360 game? Hahaha come on. Halo 3 sold 5 mln. copies in a few months. Gears of War sold over 5 mln. copies. Even Mass Effect outsells Uncharted.

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CeruleanSky - 715 days 6 hours ago

PS3 attach rate now: 3.6 games per unit

360 attach rate now: 6.6 games per unit

The 360 has been on the market for roughly twice as long as the PS3.

Thanks for showing that the PS3 has a somewhat larger attach rate than the 360 even with your inane Xbot numbers.

The PS3,Wii,360 all have roughly the same attach rates unless you are using vgchartz fanboy fantasy land numbers.

The problem for the Wii though is that even though it does have roughly the same attach rate as the PS3 and 360, it is 90 percent first party Nintendo published titles.

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MaximusPrime - 715 days 6 hours ago

buying xbox 360 now is a very risky move.

After all that hype with bad customer service, unreliable machine, noisy fan, RRoD, pay for online service, pay for HDDVD expansion when HDDVD figure are dropping.

PS3 are doing well at the moment. There are more games out than what you think.
If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?

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Polluted - 715 days 6 hours ago

So you're picking one up at the end of 2008 then?

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BLaZiN PRopHeT - 715 days 6 hours ago

@Maximus

all the things you mentioned have been public knowledge but yet it hasnt stopped people from going out and buy the system. the reason for that is GAMES. games that are currently out are driving the console sales not games that will be out.

people were saying its stupid for MS to only show this years lineup i mean look at the console sales do people still think it was a bad idea?

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 715 days 6 hours ago

@ Maximus

"buying xbox 360 now is a very risky move. "

Wrong. All 360's that have a MFR date of October and up, have 65nm chipset and the extra heatsink. No problems of overheating. It has the best gaming experience and a 3 year warranty. Buying a 360 for a gamer is the best move now. A PS3 maybe next Christmas. When the promissed games aren't delayed any further to 2009.

"If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?"

Because this video saying buy it now and mentions the games for 2008 is stupid, as mentioned above. Get rumble, a lower price and the games when you buy it the 2nd half of 2008. Simple as that.

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CeruleanSky - 715 days 6 hours ago

It is staggering to look back at the performance of the PS2 worldwide since the first Xbox was killed off by Microsoft.

Sony has sold more PS2s worldwide in just the time since the first Xbox stopped being produced than Microsoft managed in the Xbox's entire life.

That is what gets you developer support across the globe in all three major console regions.

No sane developer outside of pc centric US developers are dumb enough to tie their development resources to a console like the 360 that is:

* Selling at roughly the same rate worldwide as the first Xbox marketplace flop

* Made by the company that pulled the plug early on their last console leaving developers scrambling to deal with the mess

* After two years on the market still has unprecedented hardware failure problems

* Actually has 1.5gig LESS storage than last gen

* Is dead in two of the three major regions

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CrazzyMan - 715 days 4 hours ago

or what?
what the point? IF gamer want a PS3 he will buy a PS3.

OF`COURSE BEST is to wait 80GB bundle with MGS4 in spring 2008 with dualshock3 for 449$. But people have a CHOICE when to buy, IT IS THEIR MONEY.

OVERALL, i hope we agree, that PS3 will DOMINATE in 2008? =)

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Bubble Buddy - 715 days 2 hours ago

MART: Microsoft Action Response Team

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sak500 - 715 days 2 hours ago

@TheMart: Agreed 100% +bubbles exactly what i wanted to comment. The damn list of games has been shown since E3 2005 and after 3 years most of the games are nowhere to be seen. MGS, GT, FF all are getting delayed and maybe even land up in 2009 so why the hell would anyone pay $500 to play ps2 games or watch BD movies? When they can pick up 360 at lot less and play great line up of games.

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actas123 - 714 days 23 hours ago

What do u mean alot less? the standard and playable Xbox 360 is selling at 350, which is only 50 dollars than PS3. It makes all sense to pay the extra 50 bucks for the solid and superior machine... Well, unless you are a cow or a mule then ya you'll probably get a last gen 360..

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N4Flamers - 714 days 21 hours ago

If I was a developer I would not be exclusive and I sure as hell would get on a system where I could sell some games 360 but I agree you should buy one when those games come out and I dont know be able to play them. This is just an ad to get people to buy PS3's so if you have one why are you posting.

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Lifendz - 714 days 11 hours ago

if it wasn't for your avatar, and your constant anti-Sony postings, this would be considered a very valid and un-biased post. I agree with you. With all their big IP's coming next year there really is no reason to rush out and buy a PS3 now. Next year will be a different story.

BTW, I'm not so sure you're right about the 360 overheating problem being solved. And having to fork over 50 bucks right out the box to even play with your friends online is still a rip off.

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ravinash - 713 days 20 hours ago

Its was a good deal then, and with the proce drop an even better deal now.
And I've had hours of fun on it.

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Jenzo - 714 days 19 hours ago

What is the price you get from "winning"?

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v1c1ous - 715 days 6 hours ago

it's called the wii.

EDIT: i love how i got 2 disagrees within seconds.

sonyfans need to wake up and smell the coffee. ps3 will NOT sell 120 million.

ps2 was the only good choice last gen, this gen there's actually variety.

stop being pansies and accept it.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 715 days 6 hours ago

Ah right... that's how you call:

Alan Wake
Gears of War 2
Too Human
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Lost Odyssey
GTA IV the complete story incl. 2 episodic downloads
Left 4 Dead
Fable 2
Fallout 3 (development on 360)
Huxley (40 gamers online in Resistance? What about 5.000 in a city/area and 100 vs 100 battles?)
Ninja Gaiden 2

Sorry, you failed. Any game the PS3 would have, the 360 at least has one alternative.

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masterg - 715 days 6 hours ago

@The Mart

"Any game the PS3 would have, the 360 at least has one alternative"

I'm not going to make this long. I'm only going to say "LittleBigPlanet".

Now I'm eagerly waiting for your response :)

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Account deleted - 715 days 5 hours ago

well listed
well actually i am drunk now so i don't really now but good work

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sak500 - 714 days 16 hours ago

@ 6.4 Turd oops sorry tanod

And you're the biggest blindest bat, sony droid, lemming , fanboi of all.

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PS3n360 - 715 days 5 hours ago

was the "a" too big a word for you to use? and you call other people retards. I bought a PS3 and have now confirmed it is a waste of money. I seriously dont know what you fanboys are on about, the games on 360 are both better and more plentiful. I would love to see a must have title so I could justify this bluray player. I played uncharted and it is an awsome game but very little replay value there so I sold it. now I have only one game and I dont think i will be ejecting COD4 on the 360 for a few months. All multiplats are gonna be on my 360 and only exclusive PS3 games if they ever get released will make it to my PS3 if i dont sell it on craigslist first.

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ravinash - 713 days 20 hours ago

Persinally I enjoys PS3s line up more, but first and foremost I'm a gamer. If someone makes a good game, then buy it.

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rukusa - 715 days 5 hours ago

...along with more xbots starting to feel a bit more jealous at the PS3 crowd.

in b4 denying it. lol

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Mr Tretton - 715 days 5 hours ago

Well that's fanboism in a nutshell. Insecurity. People who secretly wish they had the other console as well and can't afford it, so they bash and hope the other fails, because they don't want to be missing out on something they can't afford.

Show me someone who can afford all 3 systems, and I'll show you an unbiased person who is enjoying themselves. Show me an insecure person with one console, I'll show you a fanboi. Then, a person with one console and a good attitude, not a fanboi...and enjoying themselves.

And no, I'm not talking about just 360 owners. The Wii and PS3 fanboism is ridiculous here also. (although in my observation, 360 fanboism is the worst and the most widespread.)

And particularly on this site. Xbot fanboism and attempts at creating flamefests are started on a daily basis here. What is you people's problem? Are you that insecure? Are you the much of a trollish human being? Are you that broke?

Grow up.
And spend your time playing your godsent 360 that you are so loyal to instead of talking about and looking up articles on PS3 to start crap. You are so obviously jealous. And that goes to some of you others with other consoles.

I own only a PS3.

I rarely look at articles on 360 or Wii. I don't need to. And they don't need my comments.

/end rant

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lodossrage - 715 days 3 hours ago

I hardly ever comment in 360 or hd dvd articles for that same reason. Unless it interest me of course. Like lost oddessey. When it comes to that game I do comment on occasion because it was one of the only games I actually wanted on 360.

It does get tiresome when people that don't even HAVE a console like to attempt to find articles just to try to make the console look bad. There are quite a few of them but I won't mention any names

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