PS3 UT3 to have less maps

tehcellownu - 827 days 18 hours ago

it will still have more maps then the 360 version

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Real Gambler - 827 days 8 hours ago

Currently, minimum PC specifications are CPU: 2.8Ghz RAM: 512MB As usual, the beauty of the Unreal engine is that it doesn't take that much power on a PC. Because you're running a heavy O.S. (even XP), and you have to get your engine running on different CPUs, sound card, graphic cards, etc, lot's of power and memory is lost into overhead...

Now, the beauty of a console, is that all the hardware is always the same all over the world. So you can tweak your engine even more because it does run on specific hardware... With the O.S. being a lot smaller than XP or Vista, only one sound processor and one graphic card to worry about, it's quite easy to get the engine working on half that CPU power and memory... That's how they can run it nicely on a console.

Now, if you're running 64 players online, on a huge map, sure enough, you may hit bottlenecks... We may only have to drop it to 32 players (not so bad), or maybe drop a few parts of the map, or some fancy texture to make it work... It will definitively be interesting to see how maps will evolve in the future... It may even be possible that some of those maps may not even work with the minimum PC specifications afterall. The engine fully support Dual-Core and 64 bit processing...

We will know soon enough I guess!

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ThaGeNeCySt - 827 days 20 hours ago

If ever at all

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akaFullMetal - 827 days 19 hours ago

that is true

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Ju - 827 days 17 hours ago

Console versions will never catch up. At the time the SW on consoles improve, the PC market will release more powerful HW. But, I am not willing to pay $1000 more just for that little bit more visual power.

- I prefer the easier usage of the consoles (Disk in and go - no installing)
- The fixed feature set. You know that your game will run, no matter how old it is.

The only reason for a PC are (IMO) strategy games, but I am wondering when the consoles will have that, too. I see no reason why C&C can't run on a hi def screen and support keyboard and mouse (as an alternative to pads).

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WAR_MACHINE77 - 827 days 19 hours ago

Where do you live? In the US I can build a gaming rig that will play anything coming out in the near future with power to spare for about $600-$800. Just have to go to newegg.com and buy pieces and put it together yourself. Its more effort but you save a bundle

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Lex Luthor - 827 days 19 hours ago

360 version is comming in 2008, Rein has stated that multiple times.
Are you an idiot or what?

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THAMMER1 - 827 days 19 hours ago

Look how many people beat me to it. D@MN

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Proxy - 827 days 8 hours ago

This makes me think the UT3 community will become divided from the PC community.

The PC community will be busting out uncanned mods, and uncanned maps (all for free mind you), and one of two things will happen.

1. The PS3 is compatible, in which case these missing maps wont matter, because we'll just hop on a server and download them anyways.

2. The PS3 isn't compatible, and half the content released from the PC camp will be useless for the PS3.

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Proxy - 827 days 8 hours ago

We'd all really hate PC fanboys if they showed up. They own us in every way.

Our only shot would be boasting some great exclusived, but then the pc boys would just say "I'm not worried, I'll play it using an emulator in a few years."

Let face it, our consoles just can't compete with $4,000 worth in the latest hardware.

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Fanboi - 827 days 3 hours ago

Thats not even close. You can built a top of the line PC now a days for $1500-2000.

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junk56 - 827 days 19 hours ago

...... you really have no idea what you're talking about

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Meus Renaissance - 827 days 19 hours ago

But look at GG with KillZone 2. Is this an unavoidable problem with the technical limitations of the console, or the knowledge of the developers?

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xplosneer - 827 days 14 hours ago

with Junk

If there were more maps it would just load onto the RAM again. It's not like the whole game loads on RAM.

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ShiftyLookingCow - 827 days 6 hours ago

what GG is doing with KZ2 is very clever, they use big levels and detailed models with low res but varying textures(also I havent seen that many materials like in Unreal) combined with motion blur and really good lighting. So dont use Killzone 2 to mock Epic devs, UT3 may not use SPUs(as it is mainly a PC game) for great lighting and motion blur but other than that its much more detailed. Of course Crysis is beyond these two despite what fanboys say.

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Fanboi - 827 days 3 hours ago

UT3 is an open source game so you can not optimize and use clever tricks to mask the PS3 limited RAM like Killzone 2 did. Its either you have the hardware to run UT3 in all its glory or you don't.

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Shankle - 827 days 14 hours ago

Indeed, instead of saying that the pc version had more maps, they decided to claim that the ps3 had less. Very glass half empty, and quite shameful.

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BADBOYEK4 - 827 days 18 hours ago

Epic is trying to make money 2 ways off the PS3 fans, In order to make your own maps you would have to Buy the PC version of Unreal along with the PS3 version,and then you got to have a PC that can run Unreal.PS3 owners can download maps made by the PC players and put them on the PS3.

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Kleptic - 827 days 17 hours ago

the modding for the PS3 will work just like the PC, according to Rein...you will be able to download mods/maps for free from the UT website...and there will be selected mods available on the PS store...they said the game layout on the xmb will be slightly different, with a "folder" in the game utility that will be opened...allowing maps to by copied into it...then the running game scan that folder for content...so it basically works just like the PC game...

but you are right...the PS3 game doesn't include the modding tool...only the pc game does...so you get kind of stuck there...but I can't wait for this game...

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ShiftyLookingCow - 827 days 4 hours ago

you cant just take stuff from the PC and put it on the PS3, to use Mark Rein's exact word you have to "cook" it for PS3 using a tool in the PC editor where the map or mod is being created. The cooked file/package can then be distributed to PS3 gamers who can transfer it to their PS3s to play it.

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Meus Renaissance - 827 days 18 hours ago

You don't know what you're talking about but tell yourself whatever you want to hear. I dont have the energy.

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demolitionX - 827 days 18 hours ago

KZ2 has CG type of overall graphics, so whatever UT3 will bring on the table will not be as good as KZ2. so beat it and go back to ur BOX.

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Ju - 827 days 17 hours ago

"I build computers - I know how SW works". Well, I know why we don't hire these guys, then :) (No offense, but that is not enough, sorry). Breaking "resources" just into RAM is simplified. Even if it would be RAM, they could stream levels instead of filling up RAM.

No Epic uses the Unreal Engine. To be honest, I am not a huge fan of that engine on the PS3. I haven't really seen any good game using Unreal Engine, yet (best example being Rainbow6 Vegas and Strangle Hold - which all have the same visual appeal, IMO). Unreal will be the best implementation of Unreal3 on the PS3, no doubt about it. But it is still a PC centric engine. It can be optimized to utilize most of the unique PS3s architecture, but - well I don't know the internals - but I would guess, to really utilize the PS3 fully, they would need to rewrite that thing (e.g. does the render back end utilize deferred rendering ? What about post render filters ? Usually physics in U3 is used thru plugins, AFAIS, a lot come with Havok. Havok runs pretty good on the PS3, how well can that be integrated, how does U3 scale to SPUs with running physics/AI. etc. etc.).

Just to say "resources == RAM" is simplified, I'd say.

None the less, I think Epic did a good job on UT3. The visuals I've seen so far are really looking amazing. I think this is a great game, I am eager to experience the after touch SIXAXIS controls (I love those in Heavenly Sword, totally cool concept. I hope it is as intuitive as it is in HS).

I still haven't heard anything about UT3 single player experience or story. AFAIS, it has one, right ? Would be nice to hear about that, too.

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Dpa - 827 days 18 hours ago

Just fyi i am no 360 fanboy, if anything its the other way round. I own both a 360 and a PS3 (bought on european launch day) and although i play my 360 most out of both i prefer the PS3 as it has way more interesting games on the horizon. I posted the article because i thought it was important to let people know so they can make an informed decision about whether they will buy the PC or PS3 version. I would have done exactly the same for an article about a 360 game.

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icechai - 827 days 8 hours ago

@Dpa: point taken, I was just pointing out that the majority of the article doesn't really deal with the title you gave it.

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Proxy - 827 days 4 hours ago

PC version maps = free, and they have the problem of having TOO MANY maps.

PS3 version = buy maps, and probably some of them are just maps that someone sat down, and spit out in 5 mins on their PC map editor.

Do I understand this correctly?

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ReBurn - 827 days 17 hours ago

I think that you make a good point. The flaming fanboys always talk up Blu-ray and how it is going to allow developers to make bigger games and larger maps, but here is a game where that extra capacity does nothing to help the problem.

As for performance, is Epic porting to the PS3 from the PC? Or did they build it from the ground up for PS3?

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AIZEN SOZUKE - 827 days 17 hours ago

outshine ps3s graphics? WRONG, unless they will be outshining movie graphics, and theres a -100% chance of that happening, so get a life son

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Snukadaman - 827 days 16 hours ago

"He said that there would be a couple of maps that would be left out of the PS3 version simply because the system didn't have the resources to produce a smooth gameplay experience."

If this was said about the xbox 360 there would be talk of more proof of microsofts weak console...cant wait for the comparisons....

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icechai - 827 days 18 hours ago

what's nice about PC games is they don't have to conform to one graphic standard, so people that normally wouldn't be able to run it (like me) can just turn down draw distance or some of the textures :)

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ReBurn - 827 days 17 hours ago

Keep in mind that consoles don't use RAM like a PC does. A PC is a multi-purpose machine, so it needs RAM and CPU cycles for ancillary tasks that consoles do not. Modern PC operating systems are a huge overhead burden, so a large portion of a PC's RAM is taken up dealing with that.

The 512 MB of RAM that modern consoles have is not a limitation like it would be for a PC.

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