Blu-Ray investment justified, says Sony

Bill Gates - 869 days 1 hour ago

Don't say that. That's not a neutral thing to say.

The 3FixMe is a wonderful system. So long as you have a wet towell and a few hundred extra fans pointing directly at it....HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA

I've said it before and I'll say it again,..boy am I glad I have a PS3...HAHHAHA

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razer - 869 days 1 hour ago

got that many agrees, directly speaks about the quality of the people on this site. What a bunch of stupid children..

You make me feel ashamed for being associated with the PS3 at all..

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Meus Renaissance - 869 days 3 hours ago

That is because there is no HD-DVD in the Xbox 360. So what would be justified..?

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FungLip - 869 days 2 hours ago

It's not justified lol.

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ArduousAndy - 869 days 2 hours ago

why does it have to be blu-ray. Why not someone saying "if MS used HD-dvd this wouldnt have been a problem.

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Mr_Kuwabara - 869 days 2 hours ago

Because that's not being realistic duh!.

MS has confirmed that they won't use Hd-dvd's as there main software discs so I don't get your point on hypothetically stating something like this if MS won't use those discs in the first place. DVD9 is old technology that will soon die in the gaming biz and replaced by discs with obviously more discs capacity hence why this article is stating on a good investement by Sony by incorporating there new Blu-Ray disc technology into there new generation of gaming console, the PS3. Soon even BR disc will not have the amount of capacity for developers to make games which is understandable. =P

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Hatchetforce - 869 days 1 hour ago

Well Arduous HD DVD isn't valid because"

1 - They couldn't get their act together with security measures so every studio except Universal and Weinstein jumped ship to Bluray. It was in trouble from the get go. Here:

http://blog.pixelperfectpro...

2 - People like Kojima saying they need dual layer Bluray which means even HD DVD could have problems with capacity for some titles.

3 - Add the cost of an external HD DVD player to the 360, add in all the features of the standard PS3 and what is your cost? I think the proper word, and add this to the next Webster's, would be - Ginormous.

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Jenzo - 869 days ago

Who needs biased articles when you can be a retarded fanboy about it?

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hella whip - 869 days 2 hours ago

Forcing the Devs to compress instead of spending that time on making a game better without having to worry about space. I'm sure all devs would rather work on HD-DVD or Bluray as it saves them having to worry about things they shouldn't have to.

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Kyur4ThePain - 869 days 2 hours ago

If they compressed the compression of the first compressed version of a game, we could all still be using CD. YIPPEE!!!
What's your point? You don't really have one, do you?

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WIIIS1 - 869 days 2 hours ago

You guys are still in denial? What is it about that short HS demo that required such a big download? What is it about Killzone 2 to require 2 gig for 1 level? What is it about RFOM? NOTHING. There was absolutely nothing in those games that distinguishes them from games that fit very well into a DVD. Yes, PGR4 is the first game to legitimately exceed a DVD, hooray.

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boodybandit - 869 days 1 hour ago

Microsoft "AAA" title?
I didn't realize PGR4 was already out and rated.
I guess I better get myself out to EB and pick a copy up.

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Hatchetforce - 869 days ago

You should do a little more reasearch Bladestar. MS has hardly had their games ship on time. GRAW a launch title? Gears? Need more?

Yes, Sony's tools could be better. And they are moving in that direction. But development on the PS3 requires a different process and it requires developers to actually learn new programming. You would be surprised how lazy devs can be. However, once devs go that extra mile you will be rewarded like nothing else.

You should also know that decompression isn't done on the fly for everything. To what storage system would you have these files decompress? The system memory? Sorry most of that is needed. The HDD? Hammer time - Ba ba ba ba, ba ba...ba ba can't touch this. Or should I say TOUCH THAT, since developers work based on the Core system - no HDD. No HDD required was the biggest mistake MS made with the 360. That and a nasty motherboard engineering flaw.

Need I remind you 360 sales are down 60% versus this time last year. Don't count on HALO3 to pull your cookies out of the fire. It's a downward spiral.

Here is another thing about development. If there is an issuie with a development platform, by the time the devs start to say something that gets into print, it is already a SERIOUS ISSUE, NOT A MINOR MATTER. I said it before, the Rockstar complaints about standard DVD was a warning shot. Microsoft's response was DLC. Yeah, that will work. DLC when so many don't have a HDD to begin with.

Anyone that thinks it will take until 2009 for ordinary DVD capacity to cripple games is smoking crack. It's already here. Anyone seriously think that compressed audio can compete with uncompressed audio? That isn't the worst part.

First Rockstar and now PGR devs:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

"You won't see different times of day per city because this involves recreating all the textures again (one for day and one for night). Whilst this wasn't a problem for our dev team, it was a problem fitting all this data onto a single DVD."

Ouch. Game, set, match. It seems MS has a habit of producing consoles - that entail expensive customer investment - and then said console is good for less than 4 years.

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RonDeMuerte - 869 days ago

HA! This is one of the reasons why Wardevil was dropped for the 360.........idiot......

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Hatchetforce - 869 days ago

You are wrong BS3, PGR4 IS THE SECOND GAME THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. Rockstar already stated limitations in GTA IV were NO HDD AND STANDARD DVD.

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tatical - 868 days 23 hours ago

"... PGR4 is the first game to legitimately exceed a DVD..."

What about Blue Dragon, its on 3 DVDs.

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WIIIS1 - 868 days 22 hours ago

@ tatical

I don't mean to disrespect jrpgs, I've played Blue Dragon, its a good game but a there's a lot of storytelling cut-scenes and that's what is taking up space, not gameplay. Oblivion is a much bigger (and better)game and it is done in a single DVD because it doesn't rely on extravagant cut scenes to tell the story. Yes games will eventually need more and more space, I don't deny it. Eventually.

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Hatchetforce - 868 days 18 hours ago

Well BS3, any game that takes up more than 1 disc for any reason has exceeded the current DVD. You may think you are the center of the universe, but a game doesn't get a pass for exceeding disc size just because you think it's two additional discs are cluttered with useless cutscene material.

When you can't depend on a single large disc, you get repetitious files (such as textures and sound files) that have to be replicated on each disc. But you also get cutscenes which are part of the developer's vision for the game. When the dev doesn't have the disc space to support his vision for a game, the 'Crask Landing, Disc Size Exceeeded' light comes on.

You had better go strap your self in...

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Bathyj - 868 days 19 hours ago

I was ready for it. And since no one buys anything but HDTV's anymore I dont think I'm alone.

Should I have waited another 5 or 6 years for HD movies and extra storage on a next gen console because you dont like Sony?

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DJ - 869 days 2 hours ago

gets you wi-fi, 3 memory card reader formats, an extra usb port, hdmi 1.3, optical output, and gigabit ethernet, in addition to Blu-ray movies. Pretty sweet deal, huh?

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PC Gaming Refugee - 869 days 2 hours ago

I don't want the wi-fi.
I don't want the 3 memory card reader formats.
I don't want the extra usb port.
I don't want hdmi 1.3.
I don't want the optical output.
I don't want the gigabit ethernet.
And I certainly don't want the Blu-ray movies.

Because I don't need any of them.
And I don't want to pay for any of them.
In simple English: I just don't want them.
PERIOD.

Do NOT phucking tell me what I want or do not want.
Do NOT phucking tell me what I should get or should not get.

Sony does phucking NOT tell me what I want or do not want.
Sony does phucking NOT decide what I should get or should not get.
Sony does phucking NOT tell me how much I should spend my money to buy what they bundle in a video game console.

I want a console without all of the bundles.
I just want a console that does not cost $500.

Sony is just NOT going to sell me a video game console at $400, $500 or $600.
That is the bottom line.
Got it?

If Sony can give all those stuff to me at no more than $400, then great. Otherwise, get out of my face. I want a video game console, not a bundled multimedia center that costs $500-$600.

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DJ - 869 days 1 hour ago

and then can't even spell curse words correctly! Ahahaha!

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RonDeMuerte - 869 days ago

You can really tell that Xbots are all for technology and progress!!!!........yeah right.....HAHAHAHA "They can always put it on multiple DVDs" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! YEAH THAT'S REALLY NEXT GEN!!!!

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peksi - 868 days 21 hours ago

I don't want to buy buy a piece of hardware that's not well built
I don't want to buy buy a piece of hardware that's already starting to get obsolete
I don't want to buy extra battery chargers
I don't want to buy yet another Windows-only compatible device
I don't want to go half way

MS does NOT force me into using MS-only products
MS does NOT force me into endless update cycle
MS will NOT be a part of my everyday life like they want to

I want a product that will last
I want a product that will do the work of many other products
I want to reduce the pile of equipment on my living room

So hmmmm... again a matter of taste / need here?

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Hatchetforce - 869 days ago

That's right, keep thinking things will stay the same and you will be eating so much crow you can't think straight. In fact, you seem to have reached that point already. Here, have some more:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news...

"On August 28th, Paramount will ship its first high definition title to include a lossless or uncompressed soundtrack - 'Blades of Glory'. This title will feature a PCM 5.1 soundtrack for the Blu-ray release, but will feature no equivalent on the HD DVD, presumably because of the smaller disc capacity. Two weeks later, Paramount will ship 'Face/Off' with extras features available in high definition, but only on the Blu-ray version, again due to space constraints.

This is a drastic change from the Paramount we once knew. For the past year, Blu-ray owners have cringed as they saw release after release issued with low bit rate MPEG-2 video encodes and Dolby Digital soundtracks, while the HD DVD versions received VC-1 encodes and higher bit rate Dolby Digital Plus audio. It was disappointing to say the least.

The shift began with 'Flags of Our Fathers', which was released with a high bit rate AVC encode for the Blu-ray release. The audio was still lacking, but it was clear they were finally recognizing the Blu-ray consumer as a valuable asset. Now, with the addition of PCM audio, Paramount completes the high definition package and Blu-ray owners can now enjoy their favorite Paramount movies the way they were meant to be seen."

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kewlkat007 - 868 days 12 hours ago

I DO NOT OWN DVDS. NOT EVEN 1.

I'm just telling it like it is.

I stream and download movies, well been that way the last 9 years or so. So yeah I do not loose anything, because of this format war, I don't have sh!t to re-purchase..haha

Game on bro, game on..

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jwatt - 869 days 2 hours ago

Sony is an more of a good position to launch with ad HD player and a high price tag than MS. They launch early and got a good lead but I don't think that lead is much.

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kewlkat007 - 869 days 2 hours ago

I think MS did what they have to do while Sony the big behemoth was still asleep(well having issues).

As the underdog, I probably would of done the same. So far it has been paying off, we will see later on. With the amount of PS2 gamers out there, MS may not win this Gen, soley on that fact, that "brand name" recognition/fanboy loyalty, still is a big advantage.

Right now it is what it is. Sony still leads the market, as MS takes a bigger piece then it did with the Xbox. Remember, this is MS second Gen console. Sony and Nintendo have had 30+ years to get it right. While others conntinue to bash the 360, MS is in this for the long haul, or they wouldn't have spent/loose so much money, while not quitting like Dreamcast/Jaguar/3D0 (much love Sega).

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Premonition - 869 days 2 hours ago

the reason why LAIR didnt get such a good review from EGM, which by the way is only what like one reviewer, was because its a totally different game, FPS will get higher scores over games that look different and play different any day. FPS is basically the sport for all console players, so its easier to score them, while games like LAIR take a different path, and some times different is good because it takes you away from the same old FPS games coming out almost every single month. So sony does not have to put up or shut up, because they know what they are doing.

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Funky Town_TX - 869 days 1 hour ago

The thing that pisses me off about Sony that they don't shut up. Just let the games speak. 5x the data okay. Then we should get 5 times the textures and 5 times the gameplay time. There should not be a 10 hour PS3 game that is exclusive to the PS3. I will wait untill I see the PS3 being leaps and bounds ahead of the 360 and it is not. It looks like dev are spending so much time on graphics and f-ing with the cell that they have forgot about the game as a whole. How long has Lair been in dev? Studios have a budget for games. If 90% of that budget is on GFX then the rest will be bad. A nice balance for a game will be good. Oblivion was like 40 hours long on a DVD 9. Oblivion won like RPG of the year also.

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